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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3150 on: August 06, 2018, 10:21:AM »
As far as I know, no-one has searched this derelict building or dug up what lies beneath the surface of the shallow grave I discovered there in 2010 - it's as though nobody really wants to find her remains!!!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3151 on: August 06, 2018, 10:32:AM »
The really odd thing, was that as well as the person having used a metal bar to dislodge rocks and bricks whilst digging the hole, that afterwards when they had concealed, whatever it was they had concealed, they surrounded the grave with a series of rocks, as though it in someway was significant and counted for something linked to what had happened, taken place, or was in the process of being done!

The manner with which the rocks were positioned suggests some sort of ritualistic behaviour, seconded by a series of chalked 'X's on a door frame, inside the derelict Building'..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3152 on: August 06, 2018, 10:38:AM »
If I had the money In would go back there myself and dig the damn shallow grave up myself!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3153 on: August 06, 2018, 10:42:AM »
I am also mindful of the type of clothing I found concealed inside some plastic bags which had been hidden underneath a detached door or planks of wood ( I took photographs before I discovered the clothing). I would like to know if anyone who has fallen under suspicion ever owned or wore this type of clothing?

Basically, light blue jeans, a dark blue nylon caghool, and a checked top?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3154 on: August 06, 2018, 10:45:AM »
I am also mindful of the type of clothing I found concealed inside some plastic bags which had been hidden underneath a detached door or planks of wood ( I took photographs before I discovered the clothing). I would like to know if anyone who has fallen under suspicion ever owned or wore this type of clothing?

Basically, light blue jeans, a dark blue nylon caghool, and a checked top?

I know that Robert Murat has a liking for checked shirts / tops, etc...

So does Russell O'Brien...

I would be interested to know if anyone can add other possible suspects to this list?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3155 on: August 06, 2018, 11:07:AM »
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3156 on: August 06, 2018, 01:10:PM »
I know that Robert Murat has a liking for checked shirts /t tops, etc...

So does Russell O'Brien...

I would be interested to know if anyone can add other possible suspects to this list?
Murat would have to change his clothes after the murder and may not have time to dispose of them at his mother's house (burning for example), before rushing back to the crime scene and getting involved with the action. Remember with his language skills he could pass for a local or a tourist. I'm still wondering about the cadaver odour in the apartment and wonder if he killed Maddie, stuffed her body in the wardrobe and went back in the interval to move the body so as to cause maximum distress to the parents.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3157 on: August 06, 2018, 01:14:PM »
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3158 on: August 06, 2018, 03:03:PM »
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.

I don't think the so called laundryman was the abductor because if what you say is true, he would have been no. 1 on police radar after the parents and friends had been eliminated! I think it's very interesting that Stephen Carpenter introduces Robert Murat to Gerry McCann and that Carpenter introduces the laundryman into his narrative! First of all I think it's a mistake to take everything that Carpenter said he did, who he did it with, and when he did it with them. His witness statement is all over the place and full of lies. I don't believe that MW would employ a homeless man who lived in a garage and had keys to everybodies apartment, that would be just plain stupid on the part of the Ocean Club, and imagine how all its customers would feel if they ever found out about it! I think Stephen Carpenter threw Robert Murat into the fray to take the scent off himself, and simally he threw the make believe laundry man in to the fray for good measure, as a diversionary tactic!

I think it makes it even more certain that Carpenter was the person behind Madeleine McCanns disappearance, in view of the fact that he has introduced this European homeless laundry man into the narrative, on top of being responsible for introducing Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and all the other things which I have tried to bring attention to, in a trial of activity spanning back to the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007. I Don't believe a word he has said in his witness statement and I want to know two things moving on from that / this...

(1) - What did his wife say in her police witness statement?
(2) - if they got divorced or separated, on what grounds?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3159 on: August 06, 2018, 03:36:PM »
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.

Steve_uk, it's not that kind of a place believe me, it's not one of those areas where there are tens or hundreds of people are walking about in the streets of an evening! It's a really quiet place, nice and quiet, and peaceful. With the benefit of hindsight it is easy for us to judge the McCanns for the risks they took in leaving there three children! I've been there for over a week, staying in the apartment block directly across the street from the entrance to apartment 5A where it all took place! People sit out on their balconies, and walk to and from between the tapas bar restaurant area and their apartments in drive and drabs! Many parents have probably left their children home alone whilst staying at the ocean club, not necessarily post the date of the tragedy, but certainly beforehand! I think that the problem in this instance was the layout of apartment 5A which was set out differently to all the other apartments in that same block where the McCanns and their group of friends were staying - apartment 5A had a set of concrete steps leading up / down between the patio door on the poolside whereas none of the other apartments that their friends were staying in had this ease of access or exit! In the others case, they could only leave by the roadside door of their apartment ( compared to a possible two access / exit points for the McCanns!...

Maybe on that last occasion when the McCann parents left apartment 5A by the roadside door, having first of all ensured that they had left the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment unlocked, that they were being too clever for their own good! I think there might have been a degree of confusion created in the mind of the abductor once he realised that the McCanns had left the apartment by the roadside door which they locked behind them, maybe the abductor was left in two minds not knowing if the sliding patio door of apartment 5A was unlocked or not?

Having said that there would have been very little doubt in the abductors mind once he witnessed the 9.30pm check that was made of the McCann Apartment by Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien. It's odds on that the abductor had witnessed the 9.30pm check, and possibly the previous check when Gerry McCann had checked it! Can we all be absolutely sure which doors Gerry McCann used to enter the apartment at the beginning of his check, and whether or not he used the exact same door when leaving it? I think establishing this can go a long way towards pinpointing the exact time that the abductor took Madeleine!

For example, if Gerry McCann either used the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment to enter it, and the same door to leave the apartment after his check, or he had entered via the sliding patio door but left by the roadside door, or alternatively, If Gerry McCann had entered the apartment by the roadside door, but left by the ceiling patio door, then this opens up a window of opportunity to be almost certain that the abductor had taken Madeleine in-between Gerry McCann leaving the apartment and the start of the next check by Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm...

If Gerry McCann used the sliding patio door at any stage during his 9.05pm check, it's odds on the the abductor saw him, and thereafter as soon as McCann entered the tapas reception doors he was in to take Madeleine!

This of course, fits in perfectly with the time that Stephen Carpenter says he and his family left the tapas bar restaurant that evening (somewhere between 9.15pm and 9.30pm)..

Bingo!!!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3160 on: August 06, 2018, 03:51:PM »
At the heart of it all, we have Christine Elizabeth Carpenter being arguably the most significant witness in all of this mystery, in all probability overhearing the abductor calling out twice to Madeleine, 'Madeleine, madeleine', and yet the police are keeping the contents of her witness statement from the public!

Stephen John Carpenter, therefore, is arguably the second most important witness in the mystery of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, because he was with his wife (by his own account t) and was present in the street outside the McCann Apartment between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, when his wife heard someone calling out to Madeleine, twice! Well, is Stephen Carpenter deaf or something, or is it the case that it was he who had called out Madeleine's name twice?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3161 on: August 06, 2018, 04:00:PM »
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.





No, I'll NEVER understand why any parent leaves their child/children, Steve.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3162 on: August 06, 2018, 04:23:PM »
I was looking for a pattern and it seems there were 12 other incidents before Madeleine, but no details provided. I always thought paedophilia was an illness and the perpetrator would not stop at this case but go on to commit more offences and eventually be caught. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3163 on: August 06, 2018, 06:45:PM »
I was looking for a pattern and it seems there were 12 other incidents before Madeleine, but no details provided. I always thought paedophilia was an illness and the perpetrator would not stop at this case but go on to commit more offences and eventually be caught. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009

Yes, I know about these other alleged events...

Euclides Monterio?
We have not seen any witness statement accounts to evaluate his possible involvement  in the previous incidents, so any involvement on his part in these other matters, let alone him being responsible for Madeleine McCanns disappearence would only be speculative!

On the other hand, there was a reported sighting of a suspect in Madeleine's case, I think of a person in dreadlocks hanging about suspiciously?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3164 on: August 06, 2018, 07:03:PM »
I do not discount possible colusion between the carpenter suspects and  Euclides Monterio , albeit I would place such a possibility or likelihood low - this is because of a number of features unique to that Thursday evening, the 3rd May 2007:-

To begiin with, there were no sightings of a dreadlocked person hanging around outside in the street potentially watching the McCanns apartment (5A). Without wanting to appear racist (which I am not) I should think that if there had been a dreadlocked person hanging around in the street outside the McCann Apartment after the parents left to go dining at 8.30pm, I should think that such a person would have been noticeable and SEEN..
I therefore, discount Euclides Monterio - Stephen John Carpenter and his wife Christine Elizabeth Carpenter remain top of my list of suspects!
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