The case of Madeleine McCann

[chelmsey]

As I said,I dont know a lot about this case,but these things bother me-:

Why did the parents lie and say there had been a break-in when there hadnt?

Why didnt the parents bat an eyelid that the twins seemed to be sleeping a little too heavily,and yet the tapas friends found that odd?

Why did the parents never do any physical searching themselves? Left it to everyone else.

Why was Kate so insistant that Maddie had been taken,declaring that she knew her daughter hadnt walked off somewhere? How could she know that for sure? Is it because a drugged child cannot walk off?

[nugnug]

what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.

[mike tesko]

Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you thinj the horizontal drain, anticipating that if police stumballed upon Maddies body there...

[Roch]

what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.

I think Cadaver dogs scent death.  I think they are trained on body farms like in the U.S.  There are other dogs that scent minute traces of human blood.  The dogs are specifically trained.   I dont think it can be argued that the dogs were given an item of Maddie's clothing, for example.  They would have picked up her scent all over the apartment.  The dogs were from a South Yorkshire specialist team.

[HMEssex]

what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.

These two dogs, Eddie and Keela, are not tracker dogs in that they are not trained to follow the scent of a person.  Keela has been trained to detect only human blood even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.  The other dog, Eddie, has been trained to detect human remains and cadaver odour.  They have been used in hundreds of cases.  Obviously, they can't denote who the person was and are just a tool to be used alongside all other evidence.

The interesting thing about them being used in this case is that they alerted to two places in the holiday apartment -both of them behind the sofa, with just Eddie alerting at the wardrobe in the parents' bedroom.  He also alerted at the flower bed outside.

Other places they alerted to were an item of Madeleine's clothing, the cuddle cat, Kate's trousers, the luggage area of the hire car and the car keys.

Kate's response was that she had worn the trousers to work the previous week leading up to the holiday, where she was present at six deaths of patients during her work as a part-time GP, and that she had also taken the soft toy to work with her.   The smell in the boot of car was put down to 'dirty nappies'.

[nugnug]

couldent the smell of blood be explined by the presnce of say sanintry towls.

i think if you a dog into most houses it would be able to smell blood.

as for smelling death what does death smell like.

i dident know it had a smell.

[Roch]

couldent the smell of blood be explined by the presnce of say sanintry towls.

i think if you a dog into most houses it would be able to smell blood.

as for smelling death what does death smell like.

i dident know it had a smell.

Well, I think we are talking about recently deceased corspes here.  There may be no discernable smell left in the area where the corpse was originally deposited, to the human nose.  Dogs obviously have a sense of smell far in excess of human sensory abilities.  And these particular dogs are trained around corpses and rewarded for their discovery by their handlers. There will be minute traces of certain organic chemicals where a corpse has been stored.  Like a sort of minute trace recognition, that a dog would pick up on but a human would not.   

[shonapugs]

I think that the lungs begin to give off a certain odour as soon as they stop working, hence flies being attracted to the nostrils quite soon after death.

[nugnug]

i cant see hoe the mcanns could have dumped a body without the police or somebody else noticeing.

wouldent the police have looked all over the apartment in the first place.

[John]

I believe those who hold the McCann's culpable allege that Maddie was removed from the apartment by Jerry as it was he who was apparently seen carrying a child down the street towards the beach.

He is supposed to have recovered the body later and buried her in a garden near the church. 

[bob]

I believe those who hold the McCann's culpable allege that Maddie was removed from the apartment by Jerry as it was he who was apparently seen carrying a child down the street towards the beach.

He is supposed to have recovered the body later and buried her in a garden near the church.

So you've read Mike's posts in this thread then?

[nugnug]

so if the body was burnt in a near come the police didn't find any trace of this.

who saw Jerry mcann carrying a child down towards the beach

if this witness was reliable wouldn't the mcanns have been charged.

after the disappearance the entire world and as his wife were watching the mcanns every move.

wouldn't have been very easy for them to have disposed of body without being noticed

[mike tesko]

The key period in the solving of this case, is what took place between the parents, and their friends, between about 9.20pm, and 10pm, that evening. Who was present at the tapas bar, who left and went to the apartments, and who did not return to the tapas bar at around the time Kate returned to break the news that Maddie had been taken?

She was not abducted by any stranger, in my opinion...

[nugnug]

and who saw the mcanns going out who ever did it would of had to have be watching them for a fair while
it somone else who stayed there or somone who worked there.

[mike tesko]

This was an inside job, not one carried out by any outsider...