Was Robert Boutflour a Freemason? (Calling campion)

[Jane]

Ever since I was a child, high walls have alway held a fascination for me. Even now, I HAVE to know what lays behind them. More often than not, what is revealed is quite mundane,but there are occasions when something breathtaking comes to light. I maintain that when walls are erected, be they physical or metaphorical, people want to know what lays behind them.

[Patti]

Ever since I was a child, high walls have alway held a fascination for me. Even now, I HAVE to know what lays behind them. More often than not, what is revealed is quite mundane,but there are occasions when something breathtaking comes to light. I maintain that when walls are erected, be they physical or metaphorical, people want to know what lays behind them.

The first book I ever read was "The Secret Garden" I vaguely remember that there was this garden, surrounded by high walls....This little girl used to frequent the garden everyday.......Where I live  there is a secret tunnel which leads underground from Mosborough Hall to the what we call the Pingle....You can walk down the Pingle during day or night...It has two high walls and trees over hang the path making it very dark and spooky....when I was young, I got a leg lift to see what behind the walls and climbed over it and landed in a beautiful garden.....A man approached me and it turned out to be Sheffield United's manager......He invited the friends that I was with to come round and when we did he gave us a stern talk...about entering peoples' property.....He was nice, but I was a Wednesday fan back then.... Useless information for you there april....but I too like to nosey at the other side....

[Caroline R]

Ever since I was a child, high walls have alway held a fascination for me. Even now, I HAVE to know what lays behind them. More often than not, what is revealed is quite mundane,but there are occasions when something breathtaking comes to light. I maintain that when walls are erected, be they physical or metaphorical, people want to know what lays behind them.

I must say April, that was so eloquently put!

[Jane]

I must say April, that was so eloquently put!

Thank you Caroline. How kind

[Bridget]

I must say April, that was so eloquently put!

It was rather, wasn't it.

Patti, you're lucky Jimmy Savile didn't live near you...

[HMEssex]

All I know about Masons is a friend of mine is an ex-freemason.  I asked him why so many police were members and he said it's because no one else wanted to be friends with them!

A friend's husband belongs.  One evening he managed to sneak out early to spend time with us.  We asked him what actually went on and he said that on that particular evening, they were showing a film about a lodge 'up north' that had been collecting for charity, but who then kept the money for themselves.

An ex-boss of mine is also a Member, he's one of the most obsequious, self-important people you could ever meet.

[Lugg]

All I know about Masons is a friend of mine is an ex-freemason.  I asked him why so many police were members and he said it's because no one else wanted to be friends with them!

A friend's husband belongs.  One evening he managed to sneak out early to spend time with us. We asked him what actually went on and he said that on that particular evening, they were showing a film about a lodge 'up north' that had been collecting for charity, but who then kept the money for themselves.

An ex-boss of mine is also a Member, he's one of the most obsequious, self-important people you could ever meet.

Hahahaha nice one.

[susan]

HMEssex  I wondered where my husband got all his cash from when he came home from his Lodge Ha Ha at least he shares it with me

[Lugg]

HMEssex  I wondered where my husband got all his cash from when he came home from his Lodge Ha Ha at least he shares it with me

I'm sure your husband is a decent chap Susan. As I said from the beginning, I started this thread not to bad mouth any individual Freemason and I'm sure they do a lot of good work. It was to establish one fact and one fact alone. The trouble is as this kind of subject is discussed a lot of things get drawn along with it.

[HMEssex]

HMEssex  I wondered where my husband got all his cash from when he came home from his Lodge Ha Ha at least he shares it with me

  

[susan]

Hi Lugg  he's no bad as they say in these parts and would never take offence at what anyone says about Freemasons he just laughs whilst he does appreciate not all Freemasons are PERFECT like him

[susan]

Hi Lugg good thing for HMEssex that Gordo30 is not on line

[HMEssex]

Hi Lugg good thing for HMEssex that Gordo30 is not on line

I've only said what I've been told!!

[susan]

Hi HMEssex  Gordo30 would have explained it to you as it really is.  He is a really nice guy and very serious about his loyalty to Freemasons,  We all get told weird and wonderful stories and some I have been told I could not put on the board Ha Ha I might be banned

[gordo30]

All I know about Masons is a friend of mine is an ex-freemason.  I asked him why so many police were members and he said it's because no one else wanted to be friends with them!

I feel that says a lot more about your friend than it does about the police and freemasonry

A friend's husband belongs.  One evening he managed to sneak out early to spend time with us.  We asked him what actually went on and he said that on that particular evening, they were showing a film about a lodge 'up north' that had been collecting for charity, but who then kept the money for themselves.

Of course its one of the tenets of freemasonry "thou shall steel from the poor and keep it"

An ex-boss of mine is also a Member, he's one of the most obsequious, self-important people you could ever meet.

Isn't that indicative about most boss'es after all he didn't become your boss by being all nicey nicey now did he!

Listen Im not here to defend freemasonry at every level and Im certainly not in any camp as I have not a clue about the Bamber case.  I know neither about his guilt or innocence so why am I even bothering here! Well its simply to help those in any camp that believe that being a freemason would enable any man to enact the influence needed to carry out this type of deception to fruition and to still be able to do so to this day. I understand the need to envelope the case in the possiblity that something more powerful and sinister is at work here as it tends to explain much of the unexplainable but I feel you are barking up the wrong tree here. If any man had this type of influence he would have had have been a very prominent freemason indeed to be able to somehow do what your implying, and lets face it you can't even agree if anyone in the case were even freemasons at any level or at anytime, that kinda says it all for me.