PV's Bullet Weights, Fletcher and Vanezes

[lookout]

I lived in a rough area. I was shot in the top of my left arm. It didn't 'alf smart.

Poor you,Grahame. The only guy round here who has a gun is a rapid response cop. Lives over the road.

[mike tesko]

What a cr*p report......not once does it mention calibre or round weight.....

....plus it states for six of them there is 'no rifling'.....

No rifling means they were fired from a smooth bore weapon, not the Anshutz which was rifled.

A .22 rimfire smooth bore rifle suggests something like a Webley & Scott Garden Gun..

Smith and Mallinson, came to a similar conclusion (2003 / 2004) that some of the shots fired during the incident could well have been fired via a garden gun

[mike tesko]

Hi Patti , just checked the weights .
      Eley manufacturers specified weight for .22LR subsonic hollow point is 2.26 grams , from Hunter's book , but I think it is posted elsewhere as you say .
     The bullets bearing Hammersley's initials on exhibit numbers weigh 2.44 , 2.43 , 2.42 , 2.42 and the fifth , described as near whole , weighed 1.67 grams .
     There are many anomalies in the ballistics which are indicative of deceit . 

         

Hi gringo,

I truly believe and suspect that up to a total of 14 rounds from the original batch of crime scene ammunition may well have been tampered with, involving substitution of test fired bullets for original shooting incident bullets...

We know, for example, that there still exists these 14 bullet cases held at Huntingdon forensic laboratory, (MDF/100), which are strongly suspected of being 14 of the original crime scene batch, which have been substituted with use of test fired rounds, thus altering the make-up of the batch of crime scene ammunition by the time the matter came to court in October 1986. If this were true, it would mean that only 11 of the original batch of bullet cases were / are authentic, and that 14 have been swapped over...

If you go along with this theory, and you  take into account that a total of 10 bullets (or part bullet) could not be matched, or linked, or associated, with or too, the anshulz rifle (to the exclusion of all other .22 calibre rifles) you end up a batch of 25 pieces of crime scene ammunition, comprising of 14 bullet cases (MDF/100), currently still being held at Huntingdon Lab', and 10 rounds which cannot be positively linked to the rifle (18), that potentially produces the make-up of the original 25 shots fired during the incident:-

Original batch of crime scene ammunition compromises of...

(01) - bullet case
(02) - bullet case
(03) - bullet case
(04) - bullet case
(05) - bullet case
(06) - bullet case
(07) - bullet case
(08) - bullet case
(09) - bullet case
(10) - bullet case
(11) - bullet case
(12) - bullet case
(13) - bullet case
(14) - bullet case


(batch of 14 bullets cases, currently being stored at the lab' under exhibit reference, MDF/100)

(01) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(02) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(03) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(04) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(05) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(06) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(07) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(08) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(09) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(10) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)

[mike tesko]

Hi gringo,

I truly believe and suspect that up to a total of 14 rounds from the original batch of crime scene ammunition may well have been tampered with, involving substitution of test fired bullets for original shooting incident bullets...

We know, for example, that there still exists these 14 bullet cases held at Huntingdon forensic laboratory, (MDF/100), which are strongly suspected of being 14 of the original crime scene batch, which have been substituted with use of test fired rounds, thus altering the make-up of the batch of crime scene ammunition by the time the matter came to court in October 1986. If this were true, it would mean that only 11 of the original batch of bullet cases were / are authentic, and that 14 have been swapped over...

If you go along with this theory, and you  take into account that a total of 10 bullets (or part bullet) could not be matched, or linked, or associated, with or too, the anshulz rifle (to the exclusion of all other .22 calibre rifles) you end up a batch of 25 pieces of crime scene ammunition, comprising of 14 bullet cases (MDF/100), currently still being held at Huntingdon Lab', and 10 rounds which cannot be positively linked to the rifle (18), that potentially produces the make-up of the original 25 shots fired during the incident:-

Original batch of crime scene ammunition compromises of...

(01) - bullet case
(02) - bullet case
(03) - bullet case
(04) - bullet case
(05) - bullet case
(06) - bullet case
(07) - bullet case
(08) - bullet case
(09) - bullet case
(10) - bullet case
(11) - bullet case
(12) - bullet case
(13) - bullet case
(14) - bullet case


(batch of 14 bullets cases, currently being stored at the lab' under exhibit reference, MDF/100)

(01) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(02) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(03) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(04) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(05) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(06) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(07) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(08) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(09) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(10) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)

On the flip side of the argument, if the above was true, it would mean that by the time the case came to trial, that the batch of crime scene ammunition compromised of 14 bullet cases which were part and parcel of a test fire of the gun, and only 10 of the original bullets...

[mike tesko]

Add these together, and it produces an incomplete batch of 24 rounds...

The matter would not rest there, however, because you would then need to take into account the fact that as of the 7th August 1985, bullet PV/20 was badly fragmented and presumably unlinked to the rifle (18), whereas, from 20th September 1985, it had grown back into a whole bullet, which the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, linked to rifle (18). So where in the grand scheme of things, does bullet PV/20 sit, do we need to add it to the 10 bullets which could not be exclusively linked to rifle 18, producing a total of 11 bullets which could not be linked, and if we do that do we need to deduct it from the other 14 bullets which had been positively linked to rifle 18? Alternatively, do we treat bullet PV/20 in all its formats, as an additional round, making 25 bullets, not 24, with 25 corresponding bullet cases, not 24?


Original batch of crime scene ammunition compromises of...

(01) - bullet case
(02) - bullet case
(03) - bullet case
(04) - bullet case
(05) - bullet case
(06) - bullet case
(07) - bullet case
(08) - bullet case
(09) - bullet case
(10) - bullet case
(11) - bullet case
(12) - bullet case
(13) - bullet case
(14) - bullet case

(batch of 14 bullets cases, currently being stored at the lab' under exhibit reference, MDF/100)

Add the bullet case from the round PV/20 in its original format into this equation, it produces a total of 15 bullet cases from the original batch of crime scene ammunition, or 13 bullet cases if one of the 14 bullet cases which are currently held at Huntington lab' under MDF/100 included the original bullet case of PV/20...

Was there 10 bullets which could not be positively linked to rifle 18, or 11 such bullets?

(01) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(02) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(03) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(04) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(05) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(06) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(07) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(08) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(09) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)
(10) - bullet cannot be positively associated with rifle (18)

If you add the original bullet (PV/20) in its badly fragmented format to these 10 bullets which could not be positively linked to rifle 18, it produces a total of 11 bullets which cannot be linked to rifle 18, not 10...

[mike tesko]

I believe that the information provided above is a framework (CSA) against which all future analysis should be considered and or compared...

[mike tesko]

... just checked the weights .
      Eley manufacturers specified weight for .22LR subsonic hollow point is 2.26 grams , from Hunter's book , but I think it is posted elsewhere as you say .
     The bullets bearing Hammersley's initials on exhibit numbers weigh 2.44 , 2.43 , 2.42 , 2.42 and the fifth , described as near whole , weighed 1.67 grams .
     There are many anomalies in the ballistics which are indicative of deceit .  :) :)

         

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom
(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified. Four of these bullets weighed considerably more, than the standard manufacturers bullet weight specification produced by Eley for .22 LR subsonic hollow point bullets, the other weighed considerably less...

[mike tesko]

Of these bullets, four of them were linked or associated by varying degree with rifle 18, the other which was considerably smaller in size, could not be associated to rifle 18...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)

(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom (Not linked to rifle 18)

[mike tesko]

Of these bullets, four of them were linked or associated by varying degree with rifle 18, the other which was considerably smaller in size, could not be associated to rifle 18...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)

(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom (Not linked to rifle 18)

In stark contrast, another bullet weighing 2.4208 was recovered from the body of June Bamber during autopsy performed by Peter Venezis, on 8th August 1985, bearing an exhibit reference of PV/24...

If all 25 bullets belonged to the same batch of Eley .22 LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, how come bullet PV/24, (2.4208), weighs considerably more than the manufacturers weight specification of 2.27 grm?