The Bamber Killings / French Alp Killings - some comparrisons

[Nickos]

SKY News Today

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Blue: My comments
Red: Highlights

Some (crude I know) analysis;

The shooting of a British family and a cyclist at a remote car park in the French Alps was carried out by just one gunman, police say.

French police found 25 spent bullets at the scene in Chevaline, near Lake Annecy, which had led to speculation there was more than one attacker - Something more junior officers may have picked up on at whf.

But the single weapon used was a 7.65mm automatic pistol, according to a source close to the investigation quoted by AFP.

Each of the four victims was shot twice in the head - let's look at the shooting pattern of the five victims at whf . 

Nevill - some debilitating body shots / 4 shots to the head.
June - some debilitating body shots / two shots to the head (one between the eyes)
Sheila - One neck, one head shot
Nicholas - three shots to the head
Daniel - five shots to the head

Nearby witnesses said they did not hear shots, meaning a silencer was probably used - okay whf was remote, and the report of the gun low. It could still have had a silencer fitted though!

Sky's defence and security editor Sam Kiley said the fact only one gun was used meant the "cold and calculating" killer had an "extremely high level of training". - JB was imo a more apt shooter than SC, and I do not believe that SC having gone "berserk" would have been as "cold and calculating" as the whf killings resemble!

I know there are significant other differences between the killings, but I was just highlighting the similar points - for discussion  .

[lookout]

My thoughts exactly,Nickos.

[lookout]

My thoughts exactly,Nickos.

Excepting that I've never believed that Jeremy was involved at all. I'm sure Neville had the panic alarm fitted for a certain reason,which was never discussed.

[susan]

Hi lookout  How are you today.  With regard to the shootings in the French Alps and WHF I see no comparison whatsoever to the shootings.  I know nothing at all about guns but I would have thought a person who could handle a gun would not have had to pump the amount of bullets into the victims as was the case at WHF.  To me it seems like somebody totally out of control with a gun and just going berserk.  Pardon my ignorance on this matter as I know it is very sensitive but wondered if I am missing something here with respect.

[lookout]

Jeremy was just so stupid and had a big mouth.Walls have ears, unfortunately.!
If someone was supposedly going to carry out a criminal act,they wouldn't tell the world and its wife. Because  there's always someone else in the background with big ears,especially if there's money involved,where more often than not there's jealousy and a grudge.

[Patti]

SKY News Today

Black: Sky News
Blue: My comments
Red: Highlights

Some (crude I know) analysis;

The shooting of a British family and a cyclist at a remote car park in the French Alps was carried out by just one gunman, police say.

French police found 25 spent bullets at the scene in Chevaline, near Lake Annecy, which had led to speculation there was more than one attacker - Something more junior officers may have picked up on at whf.

But the single weapon used was a 7.65mm automatic pistol, according to a source close to the investigation quoted by AFP.

Each of the four victims was shot twice in the head - let's look at the shooting pattern of the five victims at whf . 

Nevill - some debilitating body shots / 4 shots to the head.
June - some debilitating body shots / two shots to the head (one between the eyes)
Sheila - One neck, one head shot
Nicholas - three shots to the head
Daniel - five shots to the head

Nearby witnesses said they did not hear shots, meaning a silencer was probably used - okay whf was remote, and the report of the gun low. It could still have had a silencer fitted though!

Sky's defence and security editor Sam Kiley said the fact only one gun was used meant the "cold and calculating" killer had an "extremely high level of training". - JB was imo a more apt shooter than SC, and I do not believe that SC having gone "berserk" would have been as "cold and calculating" as the whf killings resemble!

I know there are significant other differences between the killings, but I was just highlighting the similar points - for discussion  .

Thank you for opening this debate...Nikos.

Here are my thoughts.

It is still not sure who the target was....the cyclist or the family?

Two guns shots to the head suggests a hit shooter....but who ever it was did not kill the children, why? 

They were murdered in a remote area...Could they have been followed or did they stumble across something?

If it was a hit then the said family must have been followed or their destination known?

Further down the hill the place was busy with people.....They need to come forward?

An unknown cyclist found them but wants to remain anonymous, why?

It's not known how many shooters there were at the moment....

Also, I don;t think this has any baring on the Bamber case at all....Sorry! 

[susan]

Hi Patti

I posted up on this subject with my thoughts but as usual no replies why does that not surprise me are my posts so ridiculous they don't warrant a reply.  How am I ever going to learn if members will not keep me right on these matters.  Why do I bother.

[ngb1066]

Hi lookout  How are you today.  With regard to the shootings in the French Alps and WHF I see no comparison whatsoever to the shootings.  I know nothing at all about guns but I would have thought a person who could handle a gun would not have had to pump the amount of bullets into the victims as was the case at WHF.  To me it seems like somebody totally out of control with a gun and just going berserk.  Pardon my ignorance on this matter as I know it is very sensitive but wondered if I am missing something here with respect.

I agree with you Susan.

[Patti]

Hi Patti

I posted up on this subject with my thoughts but as usual no replies why does that not surprise me are my posts so ridiculous they don't warrant a reply.  How am I ever going to learn if members will not keep me right on these matters.  Why do I bother.

Hi Susan I totally agree with you...It has no baring on the Bamber case at all....Sorry I did not see your post till now...I need a microscope to view the writing on this tiny monitor I am working from....Hope you are well today and how is the post man.....lol 

[gringo]

Hi lookout  How are you today.  With regard to the shootings in the French Alps and WHF I see no comparison whatsoever to the shootings.  I know nothing at all about guns but I would have thought a person who could handle a gun would not have had to pump the amount of bullets into the victims as was the case at WHF.  To me it seems like somebody totally out of control with a gun and just going berserk.  Pardon my ignorance on this matter as I know it is very sensitive but wondered if I am missing something here with respect.

I agree too . I see no comparisons to make

[susan]

Hi Patti  I am well as I hope you are.  I am being childish as I don't get replies to my posts I will have to try harder.  The postie is off work suffering from stress

[Patti]

Hi Patti  I am well as I hope you are.  I am being childish as I don't get replies to my posts I will have to try harder.  The postie is off work suffering from stress

Sometimes I miss posts Susan because I am not say here all the time, I'm up and down like a yo yo....I don't like to be rude and not reply....

Hello Lookout, ngb and Gringooooooooooooooooooo lol 

[susan]

Hi Patti  you always reply to my posts and you could not be rude if you tried.  I was just looking to find out if my assumptions were indeed right or off the wall.  It has now been confirmed by the most prominent members of the forum that indeed I could be right.  Whoopee

[gringo]

Sometimes I miss posts Susan because I am not say here all the time, I'm up and down like a yo yo....I don't like to be rude and not reply....

Hello Lookout, ngb and Gringooooooooooooooooooo lol 

Hello pattiooooooo  Hope there's some lively debate tonight 

[guest154]

I see no comparisons.