PS Saxby - the unanswered question:-

[mike tesko]

Once you start to examine the contents of PC Myalls pocketbook entries for Events 7th August 1985, not only is crucial information missing from the pocketbook which materializes later in his statement, but he apparently writes 6 pages of notes in his pocketbook between 10:25am and 10:30am (which I am sorry to say is unacceptable) and lo and behold who should countersign those magical notes but none other than the dark knight rises, PS Bews...

BEWS ALSO WRITES 7 PAGES OF NOTES, between 10:25am, and 10::30am...

What a load of codswallop these so called officers of the law, are...

Lying no good bastards...

It makes you wonder why the details of the situation report that was passed from the scene to the control room relating to the person seen in the bedroom, or trick of light, couldn't be written up in thier pocketbooks, or mentioned in thier statements - since based on the speed with which Myall and Bews wrote up thier notes for thier entire shift that night, within a five minute period between 10:25am and 10:30am, for example, 6 pages for Myall, and 7 pages for Bewsy, it would surely have only taken a few seconds for these super efficient Essex police officers to put something down in writing about what they saw, where they were when they saw what they saw, and what was spoken about when contact was made with the control room...

[mike tesko]

It makes you wonder why the details of the situation report that was passed from the scene to the control room relating to the person seen in the bedroom, or trick of light, couldn't be written up in thier pocketbooks, or mentioned in thier statements - since based on the speed with which Myall and Bews wrote up thier notes for thier entire shift that night, within a five minute period between 10:25am and 10:30am, for example, 6 pages for Myall, and 7 pages for Bewsy, it would surely have only taken a few seconds for these super efficient Essex police officers to put something down in writing about what they saw, where they were when they saw what they saw, and what was spoken about when contact was made with the control room...

Also note...

That considering Myall and Bewsy performed communication duties where they relayed messages back and forth between the firearms officers at the scene, and the control room (and vice versa) when two bodies had been reportedly found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs. no such details anywhere in either pocketbook or witness statement...

And, how did the control room get to know that one of the two bodies found was being described as a murder, whilst the other a suicide - if this information came from the likes of Bews, Myall and Saxby, acting in thier role of communications, they have a great deal of explaining to do. Since, if one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen was a reference to Sheila, it kind of lends more credence to the earlier sighting of a person in the bedroom...

[Jane]

It makes you wonder why the details of the situation report that was passed from the scene to the control room relating to the person seen in the bedroom, or trick of light, couldn't be written up - since based on the speed with which Myall and Bews wrote up thier notes for thier entire shift that night, for example, 6 pages for Myall, and 7 pages for Bewsy, it would surely have only taken a few seconds for these super efficient Essex police officers to put sonething down in wriying about what they saw, whrre they were when they saw what they saw, and what was spoken about when contact was made with the control room...

Mike, I think that whilst individually, they may have rehearsed a similar scenario, they may not have rehearsed it together and a rehearsal is totally different from a performance. I think it likely that at some point, at least temporarily, training and discipline went out the window, maybe being responsible for Bews loss of bladder control. By the time the firearms team arrived they may have been falling over each other' Bearing in mind the possibility that NONE of those present had previously been in a real life situation such as the one in which they found themselves, and bearing in mind also the length of time they were there, I don't find it in the least surprising that their memories of what occured, and in what sequence, may have become extremely clouded. I'm fully aware that what I'm suggesting will be denied, but given the scenario in which nobody seemed to have a clue and nobody seemed prepared to make positive decision, I AM surprised that it was only Bews bladder that was dodgy.

[mike tesko]

Also note...

That considering Myall and Bewsy performed communication duties where they relayed messages back and forth between the firearms officers at the scene, and the control room (and vice versa) when two bodies had been reportedly found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs. no such details anywhere in either pocketbook or witness statement...

And, how did the control room get to know that one of the two bodies found was being described as a murder, whilst the other a suicide - if this information came from the likes of Bews, Myall and Saxby, acting in thier role of communications, they have a great deal of explaining to do. Since, if one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen was a reference to Sheila, it kind of lends more credence to the earlier sighting of a person in the bedroom...

The police case can best be summed up by referring to the sighting of the person at the bedroom window as a trick of light, the displacement of Sheila's body from kitchen to bed and from the bed to the floor as a trick of flight, and the introduction of the silencer/blood/paint evidence, and the claim that Jeremy killed everyone and stage managed the scene as a trick of shite...

[lookout]

Also note...

That considering Myall and Bewsy performed communication duties where they relayed messages back and forth between the firearms officers at the scene, and the control room (and vice versa) when two bodies had been reportedly found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs. no such details anywhere in either pocketbook or witness statement...

And, how did the control room get to know that one of the two bodies found was being described as a murder, whilst the other a suicide - if this information came from the likes of Bews, Myall and Saxby, acting in thier role of communications, they have a great deal of explaining to do. Since, if one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen was a reference to Sheila, it kind of lends more credence to the earlier sighting of a person in the bedroom...

Because that first wound of Sheilas' was a flesh wound,she would have been able to " gather herself together " on hearing the police,, albeit initially stunned,but neverthless would have been able to then make it upstairs from the kitchen. She'd have been the " apparition " that was seen at the window.

[Bridget]

Because that first wound of Sheilas' was a flesh wound,she would have been able to " gather herself together " on hearing the police,, albeit initially stunned,but neverthless would have been able to then make it upstairs from the kitchen. She'd have been the " apparition " that was seen at the window.

So did she go back downstairs again in order to be seen dead in the kitchen by the raid team on entry? That's a lot of wandering around for someone with a lacerated jugular and fractured vertebrae.

[mike tesko]

So did she go back downstairs again in order to be seen dead in the kitchen by the raid team on entry? That's a lot of wandering around for someone with a lacerated jugular and fractured vertebrae.

It really amazes me that when those from the other team keep referring to all this blood loss from the non fatal neck wound. All you have to do is look at the small vertical blood trail that can be barely seen beneath the non fatal bullet entry wound on Sheila's neck. so without counting the triangular bloodstain on the front upper part of her nightdress, where did all this blood from the non fatal neck wound go?

It didn't go anywhere once she got back on her feet because anyblood that originally tricked from it had dried and coagulated by the time she got to her feet downstairs and fled upstairs to the bedroom...

Refer to Professors Knights testimony...

[lookout]

So did she go back downstairs again in order to be seen dead in the kitchen by the raid team on entry? That's a lot of wandering around for someone with a lacerated jugular and fractured vertebrae.

Who knows.? Unless you were there to witness what her movements were,but my thoughts are that she was like a hyperactive child flitting around. A Whirling Dirvish best describes her that night.
You'd be surprised how much the body can undertake in certain circumstances. People have had broken necks and not realised. Particularly in dangerous situations,the bodys' pain centre shuts down while they concentrate on the job in hand.
Drugs have this hyper effect.

[Jane]

So did she go back downstairs again in order to be seen dead in the kitchen by the raid team on entry? That's a lot of wandering around for someone with a lacerated jugular and fractured vertebrae.

Surely anybody with a lacerated jugular will resemble a moving abattoir?

[lookout]

Who knows.? Unless you were there to witness what her movements were,but my thoughts are that she was like a hyperactive child flitting around. A Whirling Dirvish best describes her that night.
You'd be surprised how much the body can undertake in certain circumstances. People have had broken necks and not realised. Particularly in dangerous situations,the bodys' pain centre shuts down while they concentrate on the job in hand.
Drugs have this hyper effect.

The jugular wound came later.

[Bridget]

Surely anybody with a lacerated jugular will resemble a moving abattoir?

 

[Bridget]

The jugular wound came later.

Came later than what? You were talking about her first wound, which lacerated her jugular.

[mike tesko]

When Professor Knight testified during the trial, he said that Sheila could have moved around for up to half an hour after recieving the non fatal shot - he did not take into account Sheila had collapsed and regained consciousness, otherwise she could have moved around over a much greater period.All in all consistent with Sheila being originally shot and found downstairs, rendered temporarily unconscoius, able to recover at a time when any blood from the original bullet wound had dried and coagulated. There would not be any blood running down her neck, or down her body if the blood from the original non fatal wound had already dried...

[Bridget]

When Professor Knight testified during the trial, he said that Sheila could have moved around for up to half an hour after recieving the non fatal shot - he did not take into account Sheila had collapsed and regained consciousness, otherwise she could have moved around over a much greater period.All in all consistent with Sheila being originally shot and found downstairs, rendered temporarily unconscoius, able to recover at a time when any blood from the original bullet wound had dried and coagulated. There would not be any blood running down her neck, or down her body if the blood from the original non fatal wound had already dried...

Here is the relevant page of Vanezis report:



Could you please Knight's report please?

[maggie]

The jugular wound came later.

I think the bullet shaved the jugular, it may not have actually severed the wall...if it had yes she would have bled to death but its a vein so not so messy as an artery where the blood shoots out. imo