A third version of events of 7th August 1985

[lookout]

Yes,Jeremy could have got into the house,,,and he did at times,,but not on the night of the murders as everything was secured from the inside. Unless of course he limbo'd  through the letter-box.

[Steve_uk]

Yes,Jeremy could have got into the house,,,and he did at times,,but not on the night of the murders as everything was secured from the inside. Unless of course he limbo'd  through the letter-box.

How about leaving a window ajar before leaving for the night..

[lookout]

How about leaving a window ajar before leaving for the night..

I don't think so,,somehow,as no prints or any suggestion of anyone entering via a window was suspected.

[Patti]

A slightly confusing and obfuscated reply Patti. I would need to see the paperwork in which you refer. Cooks and Elliots and make a comparison. I have seen this sort of thing before on the forum using highly mistaken/misconstrued/error-ridden statements to back up points. Now are you certain it says that they LOOKED at the catch during the first examination? Is it recorded that they found absolutely nothing in the first search? How does this differ from Elliots?
Justa  few simple questions;
1. Is the paperwork relating to this catch correctly labelled?
2. Why haven't you mentioned the finding of a hacksaw blade outside the window?
3. You do not clear away a draining board to 'get more air into a room'

Patti, a million people don't murder their own families. I am merely replying to your inaccurate statement that it 'must be someone inside the house' this is clearly untrue. Bamber could have got in the house and you know it.

Moe, If you don't believe what I have said in my post to you, then it is up to you to prove me wrong. I am telling you what is documented at source. You will need to find the documents...Read RWC's statement and then look in the 2002 appeal document....I can only point you in the right direction, because I can't upload documents, it wont allow me at the moment......The documents have been posted recently by Bridget....I will see If I can find them for you. 

Mo I have bumped the thread so you can read RCW statement regarding him taking the catch on the 27th of September. Also on that thread is transcripts copied and pasted from the 2002 appeal document.

The thread is called "Is there a catch to the windows"

As far as I know the catch is labelled exhibit RWC/8

I see no need to mention the hacksaw blade, for the police did not find that blade and yes it was most probably used in the past, for it was rusty, with no fresh marks upon it.

I understand that the draining board was cleared by the police, because of the smell read AE statement 1991.  Jean B thought that things had been moved, but it was later revealed that the police moved them...like it was the police that placed the two stools under the table, like the police were the ones that spilled the brown sugar....they could have moved the table too....

I did not say that a million people could....murder their families. What I said was if you surveyed them, you would probably find out that the majority of them would know how to enter their home...I dare bet the majority of people have entered their home at some point in their lives.....No id does not make them killers...like it does not make JB a killer for knowing how to....You can't condemn someone for knowing this surely....

[Moe Cassani]

How about leaving a window ajar before leaving for the night..

Steve, the window had a faulty catch. It could be slipped and then when the window was tapped the catch would fall back into place.

[Bridget]

Steve, the window had a faulty catch. It could be slipped and then when the window was tapped the catch would fall back into place.

It is said that he slipped a sash window catch to get in, which he could then close once he was in, and then went out through an outward opening window in the kitchen, and the catch would fall closed on that window if you banged it. Does anyone know if they actually tried that?

[grahameb]

How about leaving a window ajar before leaving for the night..

And gagging the dog as well.

[grahameb]

It is said that he slipped a sash window catch to get in, which he could then close once he was in, and then went out through an outward opening window in the kitchen, and the catch would fall closed on that window if you banged it. Does anyone know if they actually tried that?

All total speculation of course. I'll tell you something you probably know already. If a burglar wanted to get into a house (most houses are unbelievably insecure) he will. So you're always on safe ground with that one. The fact is of course, it still remains all speculation that he did get in and exit that way. You can make up anything you like. But it is still all speculation.

[Bridget]

All total speculation of course. I'll tell you something you probably know already. If a burglar wanted to get into a house (most houses are unbelievably insecure) he will. So you're always on safe ground with that one. The fact is of course, it still remains all speculation that he did get in and exit that way. You can make up anything you like. But it is still all speculation.

Yes, I accept that there was no conclusive evidence that he did actually do it that way. Maybe I should have said "It was suggested".

[grahameb]

Yes, I accept that there was no conclusive evidence that he did actually do it that way. Maybe I should have said "It was suggested".

And that is the problem with this case isn't it Bridget. So much has been suggested. But very few suggestions have been consistent with the facts. If only we can divorce ourselves from these suggestions and get back to the facts whatever side we tend to lean to.

[jim ignatowski]

It is said that he slipped a sash window catch to get in, which he could then close once he was in, and then went out through an outward opening window in the kitchen, and the catch would fall closed on that window if you banged it. Does anyone know if they actually tried that?

Bridget, please remember that JB admitted that on or about Sept 14/15 he gained entry to WHF via the downstairs bathroom window
Jim

[Bridget]

Bridget, please remember that JB admitted that on or about Sept 14/15 he gained entry to WHF via the downstairs bathroom window
Jim

Yes I know, but he couldn't have secured that window by "tapping it" because it was a sash window.

[mertol22]

If jeremy was able to enter WHF then he would not have been alone , i dare say i could of after giving the outside a look over, and anyone else local or not.

[Moe Cassani]

And that is the problem with this case isn't it Bridget. So much has been suggested. But very few suggestions have been consistent with the facts. If only we can divorce ourselves from these suggestions and get back to the facts whatever side we tend to lean to.

I am glad you have reminded everyone of that Grahame, yourself included.

[Moe Cassani]

Yes,Jeremy could have got into the house,,,and he did at times,,but not on the night of the murders as everything was secured from the inside. Unless of course he limbo'd  through the letter-box.

No lookout he got in the way the police suggested and the way he himself acknowledged is possible because he'd done it before. (why be facetious about it?)He denied it at first like the liar that he is and then seemed to have changed his story when challenged. Look at the police statements regarding this issue.