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I have it from a traffic ex police officer at a crime scene you touch nothing.

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Where did Ann Eaton get the information from that Sheila's body was found on the bed on the morning of the shootings? It could only have come from either DC Clarke or DS Jones. DC Clarke denies having told Ann Eaton this, which leaves it open to the suggestion that she was really told that Sheila's body was found on the bed, looking so peaceful ad though she was sleeping, by DS "Stan" Jones, and that Ann Eaton has told a deliberate lie in suggesting it was Clarke who told her, when all along she knows it was DS Jones who told her this? The more you think about it, the more likely it was DS Jones who told Eaton that Sheila was found on the bed, looking so peaceful as though she were simply sleeping...

No wonder DS Jones falsified his pocketbook entries...

"Pocketbook had three different start dates, (1) - 5th  November 1984, (2) - 4th November 1984, an (3) - 5th April 1985"...



"This is the same DS "Stan" Jones, who states that when he first saw Sheila in the bedroom, she looked so peaceful, clean and as though she had been a sleep"...

There is a link between DS Jones falsified account in his re-written notes as per the whf investigation, and PI "Bob" Miller who countersigned the page entries of this pocketbook, and therefore he must have known that DS Jones had re-written his notes in a pocketbook which had three separate start dates recorded on its front cover, who was at the heart of the editing of the original file (SC/688/85) that was redrafted and placed into a new file (SC/786/85) so that the police did not have to disclose the case they had built up, to prove Sheila was culpable for killing the others and then for trying to take her own life, to defence lawyers?
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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I have it from a traffic ex police officer at a crime scene you touch nothing.
Mertol that is usually true and would have been the case but a certain DCI had made his visit before going to play golf and pronounced '4 murders and a suicide' case closed.

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Mertol that is usually true and would have been the case but a certain DCI had made his visit before going to play golf and pronounced '4 murders and a suicide' case closed.

You do not say exactly how long DCI "Taff" Jones and any of the other senior officers in attendance that morning stayed at the scene? Perhaps someone ought to look into this feature just so the record can be put straight...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Another cruel ‘twist of fate’ also worked against the truth of Jeremy’s innocence coming out at trial. While renovating at home, only months before the case went to court, DCI Tom Jones ‘fell off a ladder’ and was found dead in his garden. Despite repeated requests, the coroner’s findings into Tom’s death have not been released. If Tom Jones had appeared in court, the trial would never have gone to jury. By falling off a ladder and dying, Fate saved the names and careers of numerous officers involved in the cover-up. Tom knew the truth about what had occurred at White House Farm and that Jeremy Bamber had nothing to do with the murder of Sheila Caffell. He had read through all the reports and covered up the mistakes of his fellow officers to help save their backsides; he knew that officers of all ranks had lied in witness statements, manipulated crime scenes and material evidence, lied to the CPS solicitors and were prepared to lie in open court. A former colleague stated on record: ‘Up until his very sad death Taff (DCI Tom Jones) was convinced Bamber didn’t do it. If he’d gone in the witness box in that trial it would have been sensational, because he intended to say what he thought. He was that kind of bloke.’

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There must be some news articles that refer to Taff's death. The above is an adaptation from David Shaw.
He says Taff fell from a ladder outside....I have also read he was on a step ladder and fell indoors...
I don't know which is the truth. Nor do I know who was present when he died....I have searched for Newspaper articles, but to no avail...Research is not confined to the internet in this case, the archives for Essex, or local library in Chelmsford would give you a better result.... :) :) :)

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Another cruel ‘twist of fate’ also worked against the truth of Jeremy’s innocence coming out at trial. While renovating at home, only months before the case went to court, DCI Tom Jones ‘fell off a ladder’ and was found dead in his garden. Despite repeated requests, the coroner’s findings into Tom’s death have not been released. If Tom Jones had appeared in court, the trial would never have gone to jury. By falling off a ladder and dying, Fate saved the names and careers of numerous officers involved in the cover-up. Tom knew the truth about what had occurred at White House Farm and that Jeremy Bamber had nothing to do with the murder of Sheila Caffell. He had read through all the reports and covered up the mistakes of his fellow officers to help save their backsides; he knew that officers of all ranks had lied in witness statements, manipulated crime scenes and material evidence, lied to the CPS solicitors and were prepared to lie in open court. A former colleague stated on record: ‘Up until his very sad death Taff (DCI Tom Jones) was convinced Bamber didn’t do it. If he’d gone in the witness box in that trial it would have been sensational, because he intended to say what he thought. He was that kind of bloke.’


Hi Patti,,,it just goes to show how much DOES go on behind the scenes.It stinks. That a dead man can be used in such a way, thus saving others from losing their pension,,to which they made sure anyway after his  untimely demise.
 No honour among thieves,is a saying that springs to mind. Then police wonder why they're not trusted.!
When the cat's away,the mice will play,,,,and that's just what happened. If they can twist things round to their way of thinking,,they will.
DCI " Taff Jones " would turn in his grave if he knew. Pity he didn't come back and haunt them.

In a way it's a blessing that capital punishment isn't in force,or there'd have been an outcry,,even with all the technology available today,,the police still get it wrong. More so than years ago when all they had to rely on was grey matter. That said,a bit of re-training wouldn't go amiss instead of that " parrot-fashion " attitude of going by the book. Columbo would have showed them up. Imagine a character like that forever popping up,and you never knowing when. That's the way to go instead of whizzing about,,sirens going and letting the criminal know that you're on your way,,so giving him/her the chance to scarper. It makes me cringe.
The element of surprise is by far the best tactic to use.No need for noise. After all,,,empty vessels DO make the most noise.

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Hi Patti,,,it just goes to show how much DOES go on behind the scenes.It stinks. That a dead man can be used in such a way, thus saving others from losing their pension,,to which they made sure anyway after his  untimely demise.
 No honour among thieves,is a saying that springs to mind. Then police wonder why they're not trusted.!
When the cat's away,the mice will play,,,,and that's just what happened. If they can twist things round to their way of thinking,,they will.
DCI " Taff Jones " would turn in his grave if he knew. Pity he didn't come back and haunt them.

In a way it's a blessing that capital punishment isn't in force,or there'd have been an outcry,,even with all the technology available today,,the police still get it wrong. More so than years ago when all they had to rely on was grey matter. That said,a bit of re-training wouldn't go amiss instead of that " parrot-fashion " attitude of going by the book. Columbo would have showed them up. Imagine a character like that forever popping up,and you never knowing when. That's the way to go instead of whizzing about,,sirens going and letting the criminal know that you're on your way,,so giving him/her the chance to scarper. It makes me cringe.
The element of surprise is by far the best tactic to use.No need for noise. After all,,,empty vessels DO make the most noise.
whoa.......whoa lookout. You are getting way ahead of yourself with these silly unfounded accusations. What evidence do you have exactly for making such accusations what are you basing these allegations on?
I know you have it in your head that Bamber is innocent. I admire that, but trying to back that up with baseless accusations or stretching aspects of the case to try to fit the facts weakens your point considerably.
I get a horrible feeling that there are many posters grasping at straws or suggesting theories that have no relation to fact in the hope that it makes Jeremy look that bit more innocent. It doesn't. It just makes the accusations look that much more strange and desperate. It would be nice to stick to the facts and work from there on the evidence.
Taff Jones dies falling off a ladder. It happens to literally hundreds of people each year - A similar sort of accident befell Rod Hull of Rod Hull and Emu fame. It is not unusual or anything untoward. Moreover, if he had survived it would ahve had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the trial whatsoever. He was by all accounts a very proud but ultimately arrogant man who could not accept that he was wrong.
His views were largely disregarded after Bamber was arrested for the second time.

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Hi lookout  I am trying to understand why people come on this forum trying to rubbish every theory put up.  What do they gain they think Jeremy Bamber guilty and he is serving a life sentence.  What more do they want   

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Exposing what took place by reference to use of broom handle in reconstruction

AS far as I know, there was no broom handle as an exhibit in this case, or which was photographed at the scene. Yet in David Shaws account he makes mention of police officers gathering around the body of Sheila on the bedroom floor, and DCI "Taff" Jones using a broom handle to demonstrate how Sheila could have shot herself twice?

Going back to the original subject of this thread, according to Wilkes book the 'broomstick demonstration' took place back at the cop shop, with Taff Jones laying on the floor demonstrating it on himself.
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Going back to the original subject of this thread, according to Wilkes book the 'broomstick demonstration' took place back at the cop shop, with Taff Jones laying on the floor demonstrating it on himself.

That is correct Bridget...how did you know that Ha! It was his way pf proving that Sheila could have shot herself...which is also true.  :P :P :P ;D ;D

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That is correct Bridget...how did you know that Ha! It was his way pf proving that Sheila could have shot herself...which is also true.  :P :P :P ;D ;D

I have the book, just haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I was flicking through looking for something else when I came across it.
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I have the book, just haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I was flicking through looking for something else when I came across it.

Bridget do you take notes or do you remember things...I take notes, but they are mainly on the backs of empty envelopes, which I tend to throw away....I haven't got a good memory, I have short term memory loss. But, I find that since I have been on this forum it has improved...and, I remember the things I that are important, but forget the rest....does that make sense?  Maybe I should get a proper note book...lol  :) :) :) :)

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Bridget do you take notes or do you remember things...I take notes, but they are mainly on the backs of empty envelopes, which I tend to throw away....I haven't got a good memory, I have short term memory loss. But, I find that since I have been on this forum it has improved...and, I remember the things I that are important, but forget the rest....does that make sense?  Maybe I should get a proper note book...lol  :) :) :) :)

Yes it does actually! I do it mainly from memory but I have also noticed that the use of this forum has improved mine.
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Yes it does actually! I do it mainly from memory but I have also noticed that the use of this forum has improved mine.

mmmmmm Maybe if I took notes then, I could win more points, not that I lose any....lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D