The (Andrew Hunter) Book draft, that never got published from seven years ago...

[mike tesko]

But if true, why was /would June Bambers death be described as a suicide, by 7:45am?

Might this have also got something to do with the officers report about the shooting incident which took place in the kitchen?

[mike tesko]

Might this have also got something to do with the officers report about the shooting incident which took place in the kitchen?

What shooting incident in the kitchen, involving who, and when?

[mike tesko]

What happened to Ralph Bambers service revolver?

[Newbury1]

Odd how only Ralph, and June Bamber, had the 1/2 inch diameter, bullet entry wounds?

It would be interesting to know which entry wounds were the 1/2" wounds?

[mike tesko]

It would be interesting to know which entry wounds were the 1/2" wounds?

I have got that information somewhere, and will strive to locate it, and post it...

[Newbury1]

I look at it rather differently myself. If two guns were used it would go a long way towards showing that Sheila did it premeditatedly? In that it looks very much as if her bed was not slept in. Therefore she could have had a lot of time preparing what she would do and one of those things would be to have two loaded guns so that she would not have to hastily load one of them a second time. Of course the same rules could be applied to Jeremy?

But this would explain the lack of residue on her hands and the unbroken nails. Because it would give her the added time after she loaded the guns and planned her tactics to shower and put on her makeup and do her nails in order to look her best.
My father in law was in the Thames River Police for a while and had to deal with suicides. He would describe one woman who had drowned herself and being immaculately dressed with all her clothes spotlessly clean. So I for one can see where Sheila could have easily done it.

If Shelia had used two .22 rifles using .22 hollow tipped bullets, when it was 4 murders and a suicide, the two guns imo would have been recovered by EP at the time!

As for the altruistic washing problem.

If, again imo, Shelia had shot them all, washed herself, did her nails etc. before killing herself, she would also have put on a clean pair of knickers - and according to Mike she was not wearing any when found.

[mike tesko]

If Shelia had used two .22 rifles using .22 hollow tipped bullets, when it was 4 murders and a suicide, the two guns imo would have been recovered by EP at the time!

As for the altruistic washing probelm.

If, again imo, Shelia had shot them all, washed herself, did her nails etc. before killing herself, she would also have put on a clean pair of knickers - and according to Mike she was not wearing any when found.

I wasn't at the scene, and I did not personally witness this...

[ngb1066]

And why again, with such entry wound anomalies, did Rivlin not pick this up (as the entry wound sizes were I believe available to him at the time of trial).

I wonder if a hollow tip bullet could distort in fight, or on immediate impact, and make bigger entry wounds? - ngb!

The fact that there were different entry wound sizes was not explored by Rivlin.  The defence retained Major Mead as their ballistics expert.  He presumably did not attach any significance to the different sizes.

A hollowpoint bullet will not distort in flight but it will tend to expand upon impact.  The extent of the expansion depends upon the nature of the impact point.  My own view on this is that Andrew Hunter is wrong to suggest that a larger calibre weapon was used in addition to the Anschutz .22 rifle.  The only larger calibre weapons were police weapons which included revolvers of .38 calibre and a Ruger carbine of .223 calibre. What Andrew Hunter has failed to realise is that it is not so much the calibre (i.e. the diameter of the bullet) which differentiate these weapons from the Anschutz rifle, it is the fact that the Anschutz was a rimfire weapon and all of the police weapons were centrefire weapons.  The power of a centrefire weapon is considerably greater than that of a rimfire weapon and the injuries caused at close range would have been very considerably greater.  I believe all the rounds fired were .22 rimfire.

     

[Newbury1]

I wasn't at the scene, and I did not personally witness this...

But this is what you have stated you have seen in the photo you have referred to on many occasions of Sheila on the bed?

[Newbury1]

The fact that there were different entry wound sizes was not explored by Rivlin.  The defence retained Major Mead as their ballistics expert.  He presumably did not attach any significance to the different sizes.

A hollowpoint bullet will not distort in flight but it will tend to expand upon impact.  The extent of the expansion depends upon the nature of the impact point.  My own view on this is that Andrew Hunter is wrong to suggest that a larger calibre weapon was used in addition to the Anschutz .22 rifle.  The only larger calibre weapons were police weapons which included revolvers of .38 calibre and a Ruger carbine of .223 calibre. What Andrew Hunter has failed to realise is that it is not so much the calibre (i.e. the diameter of the bullet) which differentiate these weapons from the Anschutz rifle, it is the fact that the Anschutz was a centrefire weapon and all of the police weapons were centrefire weapons.  The power of a centrefire weapon is considerably greater than that of a rimfire weapon and the injuries caused at close range would have been very considerably greater.  I believe all the rounds fired were .22 rimfire.   

So do I.

[mike tesko]

But this is what you have stated you have seen in the photo you have referred to on many occasions of Sheila on the bed?

Well...

I have stated that is what I have seen, and there is evidence that her heavily bloodstained panties were found in a bucket of water in the kitchen, but I was not at the scene, and I did not witness these things at the scene...

[mike tesko]

The fact that there were different entry wound sizes was not explored by Rivlin.  The defence retained Major Mead as their ballistics expert.  He presumably did not attach any significance to the different sizes.

A hollowpoint bullet will not distort in flight but it will tend to expand upon impact.  The extent of the expansion depends upon the nature of the impact point.  My own view on this is that Andrew Hunter is wrong to suggest that a larger calibre weapon was used in addition to the Anschutz .22 rifle.  The only larger calibre weapons were police weapons which included revolvers of .38 calibre and a Ruger carbine of .223 calibre. What Andrew Hunter has failed to realise is that it is not so much the calibre (i.e. the diameter of the bullet) which differentiate these weapons from the Anschutz rifle, it is the fact that the Anschutz was a centrefire weapon and all of the police weapons were centrefire weapons.  The power of a centrefire weapon is considerably greater than that of a rimfire weapon and the injuries caused at close range would have been very considerably greater.  I believe all the rounds fired were .22 rimfire.

   

different sized entry wounds could also be accounted for different types of .22 ammunition, for example, some Purchased by Ralph Bamber, and some purchased by Anthony Pargeter at different times, but fired via two .22 weapons, namely, (1) - the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic ri9fle,and (2) - the .22 bolt action Bruno rifle owned by Pargeter...

Types of .22 ammunition used was / could have been:-

(a) - Eley
(b) - Winchester
(c) - Remington

[mike tesko]

different sized entry wounds could also be accounted for different types of .22 ammunition, for example, some Purchased by Ralph Bamber, and some purchased by Anthony Pargeter at different times, but fired via two .22 weapons, namely, (1) - the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic rifle,and (2) - the .22 bolt action Bruno rifle owned by Pargeter...

Types of .22 ammunition used was / could have been:-

(a) - Eley
(b) - Winchester
(c) - Remington

Would entry wounds made by all three types of ammunition make exactly the same sized diameter entry wounds?

[mike tesko]

Would entry wounds made by all three types of ammunition make exactly the same sized diameter entry wounds?

Me thinks, perhaps not...

[ngb1066]

Would entry wounds made by all three types of ammunition make exactly the same sized diameter entry wounds?

No, there would be differences.  I believe some of the .22 ammunition was high velocity and jacketed, which means the bullet itself was encased in copper, unlike the Eley subsonic hollowpoint which was exposed lead.  The differences could be quite pronounced.