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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 12:54:PM »

That small village comes under Maldon.
Is this where the digital exchanges were tested then?
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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 12:55:PM »
As you have said before in another thread, if there was any truth behind the existance of itemised phone records at WHF on the 7th August 1985 then at some point over the last 26 years the defence would have presented this as a ground of appeal. Holding a bill under PII would not hide the fact that a bill existed.

It's pure fantasy and not really worth my time in refuting. Imo.



It was you, Hartley, who first raised the issue of witheld documents in this thread, I believe. I merely responded.

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2012, 12:56:PM »


I can understand why you would prefer me not to post sections from this debate, Hartley, but these are highly valid in relation to any issue of non disclosure - which is what this issue boils down to.

These quotations have everything to do with what you've posted, since these establish, without a shadow of doubt, that substantial amounts of key evidence and the access of the defence to this has been deliberately and mysteriously witheld and obstructed by EP for many, many years.

They do nothing of the sort Keira. If you read closely hunter says that if what is 'alleged' to be withheld, then it would undermine the defence.

Just because hunter is an MP gives him so more validity than bamber himself.
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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2012, 12:56:PM »
Is this where the digital exchanges were tested then?


I did not suggest it was.

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2012, 12:59:PM »


It was you, Hartley, who first raised the issue of witheld documents in this thread, I believe. I merely responded.

I think you are spoiling for a fight and I'm not playing game.

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2012, 01:00:PM »
They do nothing of the sort Keira. If you read closely hunter says that if what is 'alleged' to be withheld, then it would undermine the defence.

Just because hunter is an MP gives him so more validity than bamber himself.


Andrew Hunter MP asked for this debate following a thorough examination of the Bamber case. Hartley has at one time suggested that Hunter's comments are invalid because he is a Bamber supporter, but he only became a supporter of Jeremy's Appeal bid after examing the case. I hope you're not going down that road, Vic.

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2012, 01:01:PM »
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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2012, 01:04:PM »

I did not suggest it was.
didn't say you did Choc, but the system must have been tested here for the police to have access to the Itemised bills for WHF. next step must be to prove the system was tested there,two years prior to London.I would of also thought a system such as this would be Lab tested for reliability prior to field tests,but i do admit i am speculating on that issue.
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2012, 01:05:PM »

Any chance of attributions and links, TonyB? It makes life a little easier  :D
bear with me  ;)
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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2012, 01:07:PM »

Andrew Hunter MP asked for this debate following a thorough examination of the Bamber case. Hartley has at one time suggested that Hunter's comments are invalid because he is a Bamber supporter, but he only became a supporter of Jeremy's Appeal bid after examing the case. I hope you're not going down that road, Vic.

How long ago did Hunter say anything in support of Bamber?

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2012, 01:08:PM »
How long ago did Hunter say anything in support of Bamber?

He still actively supports his campaign.


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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2012, 01:16:PM »
didn't say you did Choc, but the system must have been tested here for the police to have access to the Itemised bills for WHF. next step must be to prove the system was tested there,two years prior to London.I would of also thought a system such as this would be Lab tested for reliability prior to field tests,but i do admit i am speculating on that issue.


If that is the case, well done to you for finding the details of this.

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Re: Itemised phone bills
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2012, 01:18:PM »
My point Keira is that just because an MP chooses to hold a debate does not give him any more validity than you or I. I've thoroughly reviewed the case and believe him guilty. You've thoroughly reviewed the case and believe him innocent. As he's an mp he can gain more publicity for his views than you or I, but his opinion is no more valid than you or I.

On the question of itemised billing, for WHF, this particular exchange was actually one of the last in the country to have the particular equipment required to provide itemised billing.

Also, when mike says that business customers had it first and WHF was a business, therefore it had itemised billing is, IMHO, misleading.

Business customers were the first to gain itemised billing but initially only if they had a BT exchange unit installed in their business, not as with WHF, which was a previously domestic line simply designated as a business one for accountancy reasons.

No itemised billing for local calls exists for WHF in 1985. No itemised billing for local calls is being withheld under Pii or any other reason.

Both defence and prosecution went down this route in 1986 and both know this is correct.

For whatever his reasons, mike has said he has local call itemisation for June and July 85, but wouldn't you know it, dodgy coppers have hidden August's. This is not true.

I do not understand why mike feels that he must bolster his arguments for bamber's innocence with fibs.
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