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I'd like to believe that if I saw someone being attacked in the street, even if that person was my enemy I would do what I could to defend them?
Quite right. I think Mertol's comment is despicable  :(

P.S. on an entirely unrelated topic Grahame - why does the forum's "Quote" feature now only include the most recent post rather than embedding the full quote history like it used to?

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I wouldn't come to the aid of a policeman.

It was their behaviour another dodgy shooting started the riots

Power in the wrong hands very dangerous

I think it's got to the stage they all need to sit a psychology test

I would like to meet a policeman who doesn't think it's standard practice to lie everytime they open their mouth

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I wouldn't come to the aid of a policeman.

It was their behaviour another dodgy shooting started the riots

Power in the wrong hands very dangerous

I think it's got to the stage they all need to sit a psychology test

I would like to meet a policeman who doesn't think it's standard practice to lie everytime they open their mouth




The rioters used the shooting as an excuse to riot, 98% of those rioters didnt even know the bloke that was shot.

I felt for the family who lost their furniture business, it had been in the family for generations then some brain dead sket sets it on fire. Rubber bullets should have been used over those couple of days, rioters wouldnt have been so hard then would they.

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The rioters used the shooting as an excuse to riot, 98% of those rioters didnt even know the bloke that was shot.

I felt for the family who lost their furniture business, it had been in the family for generations then some brain dead sket sets it on fire. Rubber bullets should have been used over those couple of days, rioters wouldnt have been so hard then would they.

Believe me I have a very low impression of the police in the UK, following some high profile cases where they were badly at fault and particularly their actions (especially the superior officers) at Hillsborough in 1989 which was disgraceful.

However, I also am very reluctant to tar every police officer with the same brush, whether they are senior or junior officers. I don't doubt that there are many fantastic police officers in the UK who do a great job, in challenging, potentially very dangerous circumstances. Clearly not every police officer is trained to lie at every opportunity or to be corrupt.  Sadly tho there are a number of bad apples in the police force (as there are across the whole of society), which means that the actions of these gives the public a very bad impression of the police force.

I personally think that the the JB investigation has been an absolute sham from start to finish and police made huge errors. However, just because a number of grave errors were made, I definitely do not believe that every police officer involved in the JB case in any capacity, is a bad apple, although clearly some may have been.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 02:09:AM by petey »

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Clearly all police officers are evil and corrupt, all muslims are terrorists, all black people are lazy and steal, all white people are racist, all Irishmen are drunks, all rich people are conceited snobs, all MP's are crooks, I'm young so I must be naive, all Russians drink vodka, all blondes are stupid, all Essex woman are easy, all female supporters of Jeremy Bamber must fancy him, all people who think Jeremy is guilty is a member of 'the family' and biased, and my own personal favourite: all campaigners and protesters are really quite mad.  ::)


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on an entirely unrelated topic Grahame - why does the forum's "Quote" feature now only include the most recent post rather than embedding the full quote history like it used to?
I don't know Bob? I'm not really very good at the technipickle stuff. As far as I am aware neither I nor Neil have changed anything?

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I wouldn't come to the aid of a policeman.

It was their behaviour another dodgy shooting started the riots

Power in the wrong hands very dangerous

I think it's got to the stage they all need to sit a psychology test

I would like to meet a policeman who doesn't think it's standard practice to lie everytime they open their mouth
Personally I think I would go to the aid of a police officer if they were being attacked, even if my actions would be misinterpreted. My conscience wouldn't let me stand by and do nothing. I also know some good consciencous coppers.

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Clearly all police officers are evil and corrupt, all muslims are terrorists, all black people are lazy and steal, all white people are racist, all Irishmen are drunks, all rich people are conceited snobs, all MP's are crooks, I'm young so I must be naive, all Russians drink vodka, all blondes are stupid, all Essex woman are easy, all female supporters of Jeremy Bamber must fancy him, all people who think Jeremy is guilty is a member of 'the family' and biased, and my own personal favourite: all campaigners and protesters are really quite mad.  ::)
You missed one out. All Englishmen are perfect. ;)

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Clearly all police officers are evil and corrupt, all muslims are terrorists, all black people are lazy and steal, all white people are racist, all Irishmen are drunks, all rich people are conceited snobs, all MP's are crooks, I'm young so I must be naive, all Russians drink vodka, all blondes are stupid, all Essex woman are easy, all female supporters of Jeremy Bamber must fancy him, all people who think Jeremy is guilty is a member of 'the family' and biased, and my own personal favourite: all campaigners and protesters are really quite mad.  ::)
No Hartley what you say is wrong very wrong,when will you see reason, something went wrong on that day in the events after storming a house and i promise you it will come out i make no apologies for what ive said about the police, when i was arrested in the morning i heard a hell of a knock on the door i pleaded not to be in cuffs,that was the only pride i won that day, my mother and father were still asleep they were told later it nearly finished my mum off she went into shock,the police are vile only a matter of time keep reading the papers and take your pick to which police force is in the news again some copper on child porn charges, or maybee on film beating up an innocent person.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 09:14:AM by mertol22 »

Jackiepreece

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You are a great person with great beliefs unfortunately for me I have lost complete faith in the police not only with the disgusting behaviour regarding the Bamber case but my own personal experience when then were meant to be dealing with a complaint by me.
I have it in black and White that the newly appointed inspector at my local police station lied to cover up for another police officer and also involved in the lies were a PC and a sergeant and a plastic psco or whatever the lower rank is. The lies are in black and White and are undisputable and are with the IPCC but l have no doubt nothing will happen to the police officers involved.

This cannot go on and we need a completely different approach to bad police officers.
Keep sacking the bad police officers until good police officers out weigh the bad.

Things will only get better when we have the right balance and that needs to start with the Inspectors down or we will end up with more and more riots like in the summer

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Grahame
You are a great person with great beliefs unfortunately for me I have lost complete faith in the police not only with the disgusting behaviour regarding the Bamber case but my own personal experience when then were meant to be dealing with a complaint by me.
I have it in black and White that the newly appointed inspector at my local police station lied to cover up for another police officer and also involved in the lies were a PC and a sergeant and a plastic psco or whatever the lower rank is. The lies are in black and White and are undisputable and are with the IPCC but l have no doubt nothing will happen to the police officers involved.

This cannot go on and we need a completely different approach to bad police officers.
Keep sacking the bad police officers until good police officers out weigh the bad.

Things will only get better when we have the right balance and that needs to start with the Inspectors down or we will end up with more and more riots like in the summer
The Bamber case is perhaps the finest example of total state farce,the riots were a warning, there will not be another warning, the only reason the government  drafted in extra police from other divisions was because the riots were spreading to the affluent parts.

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Quite right. I think Mertol's comment is despicable  :(

P.S. on an entirely unrelated topic Grahame - why does the forum's "Quote" feature now only include the most recent post rather than embedding the full quote history like it used to?

I vote to keep it that way  :D

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Grahame
You are a great person with great beliefs unfortunately for me I have lost complete faith in the police not only with the disgusting behaviour regarding the Bamber case but my own personal experience when then were meant to be dealing with a complaint by me.
I have it in black and White that the newly appointed inspector at my local police station lied to cover up for another police officer and also involved in the lies were a PC and a sergeant and a plastic psco or whatever the lower rank is. The lies are in black and White and are undisputable and are with the IPCC but l have no doubt nothing will happen to the police officers involved.

This cannot go on and we need a completely different approach to bad police officers.
Keep sacking the bad police officers until good police officers out weigh the bad.

Things will only get better when we have the right balance and that needs to start with the Inspectors down or we will end up with more and more riots like in the summer
I entirely agree with you Jackie. Things must change. It does seem as if all the good folks have gone out of those who are supposed to look after our interests and who are supposed to be our betters and rule conscienciously and justly.
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The Bamber case is perhaps the finest example of total state farce,the riots were a warning, there will not be another warning, the only reason the government  drafted in extra police from other divisions was because the riots were spreading to the affluent parts.
I believe it is one of the most notorious miscarriages of justice this country has ever known.

Jackiepreece

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Clearly all police officers are evil and corrupt, all muslims are terrorists, all black people are lazy and steal, all white people are racist, all Irishmen are drunks, all rich people are conceited snobs, all MP's are crooks, I'm young so I must be naive, all Russians drink vodka, all blondes are stupid, all Essex woman are easy, all female supporters of Jeremy Bamber must fancy him, all people who think Jeremy is guilty is a member of 'the family' and biased, and my own personal favourite: all campaigners and protesters are really quite mad.  ::)


Take note Hartley and don't try and sweep facts under the carpet people are still rascist in great Britain and police officers are rascist even TODAY.
Continue sticking your head in the head and making yourself look stupid. You are not impartial in this case Neil is so I wonder who I would be more likely to take on board points relating to this case.

A further example of our great British police force



   
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Stop and search 'racial profiling' by police on the increase, claims study
Analysis shows that black people are now 30 times more likely to be stopped by the police than white people

Police perform a stop and search procedure on a group of youths in London. 
Mark Townsend, home affairs editor
The Observer, Sat 14 Jan 2012 20.21 
Black people are 30 times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by police in England and Wales, according to new analysis which reveals that "racial profiling" has increased over the past year.
Researchers say the findings, based on government statistics, represent the worst international record of discrimination involving stop and search.
The figures refer to the use of section 60, the contentious police power that allows officers to stop and search people without reasonable suspicion and which was cited as an aggravating factor behind the August riots. Analysis by the London School of Economics (LSE) and the Open Society Justice Initiative shows during the past 12 months a black person was 29.7 times more likely to be stopped and searched than a white person. That figure was 26.6 the previous year.
In 2009, black people were 10.7 times more likely to be stopped than whites under the controversial "exceptional" power. Mounting disquiet over the policy's damaging effect on black communities prompted Scotland Yard last week to announce a scaling back of its use of section 60, which has become a central element of the Yard's anti-knife crime strategy.
A separate analysis, based on Home Office data, reveals that less than 0.5% of section 60 searches led to an arrest for possession of a dangerous weapon, five times fewer than a decade ago.
Dr Michael Shiner, of the campaign group StopWatch and the Mannheim Centre for Criminology at the LSE, said: "More than ever, we need policing to be fair and accountable. All too often impacted communities have complained about abusive police tactics only to be ignored or, worse still, told they are wrong. Searches that do not require individual suspicion are particularly divisive and should be conducted sparingly, if at all.
"The very existence of section 60 should be critically reviewed and, if it is found to be necessary, increased safeguards and strict criteria should be put in place, including judicial authorisation, before the power can be mobilised."
On Friday, the IPCC conceded that stop and searches that yield no arrest were antagonistic and "highly intrusive". A legal challenge that will ask the high court to rule section 60 "incompatible" with the European convention on human rights is under way. The case centres on a 37-year-old woman who claims she was targeted because she was black. Michael Oswald of Bhatt Murphy solicitors said there was clear statistical evidence that section 60 was being used in a discriminatory manner. He added: "There are not sufficient safeguards to ensure that the interference with individuals' personal integrity and liberty that such searches entail is proportionate and in accordance with the law."
The case follows the government's curtailment last year of the police use of section 44 counter-terrorism stop-and-search powers, which also allowed officers to act against individuals without reasonable suspicion. Campaigners hope the home secretary, Theresa May, will pre-empt the legal challenge by moving to amend the law on section 60, introducing restrictions on its use. A recent report by the LSE and the Guardian cited stop and search as a factor in the August riots, a conclusion that persuaded May to order a national review of how police use stop and search powers.
Tomorrow the Met commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe, will give a public lecture on the future of policing at the LSE during which stop and search is expected to be a central theme. Last week he responded to the growing unease by ordering a radical overhaul of the use of section 60 in an effort to improve relations with black and ethnic minority communities.
In particular, Hogan-Howe pledged to halve the amount of section 60 stops that do not require reasonable suspicion. Senior commanders are believed to have voiced concern that they are ineffective and alienate young people, particularly those from ethnic minorities.
Although Hogan-Howe's new stance has been welcomed by campaigners, they point to his record at Merseyside police where he was chief constable from 2004 to 2009. When he began the role, officers conducted 1,389 section 60s, rising to 23,138 within five years.