Named members of the raid team - have they pulled the wool over our eyes?

[mike tesko]

Police were 100% convinced they had seen a person walking around inside whf (possibly armed) which was the primary reason why a request was sent from the scene by CA07 for the firearms team to be deployed to whf - yet all this information is missing or has been edited out...

There is no official record of what was spoken about between CA07 and the control room to make the firearms team become deployed to whf?

It's all been edited out, because it would have provided Jeremy with an alibi to the effect that he could not possibly have killed everyone inside whf by that stage, nor later because he was outside in the grounds or elsewhere in pages lane at all times thereafter with police officers...

[mike tesko]

I would also go as far to say that so convinced were the police that they had seen a person alive at the bedroom window, that by the time the firearms team arrived at the scene it was this information which prevented them from rushing straight into the farmhouse, so convinced were the firearms team of what the police officers told them regarding the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window, which was also the very reason why the firearm team were deployed to the scene in the first place?

[Jackiepreece]

Rochy the trouble is everytime it looks like a successful appeal might happen it shows up massive huge mistakes that happened that night including an accident when  Sheila could have been murdered

Everytime that looks clearer I can see the shredders going full speed destroying any actual

evidence to prove that Sheila was killed by the police


Unless some police officer really do come forward I don't believe the police involvement will ever be made public

Also it looks like Simon is concentrating on different issues right now

[mike tesko]

I would also go as far to say that so convinced were the police that they had seen a person alive at the bedroom window, that by the time the firearms team arrived at the scene it was this information which prevented them from rushing straight into the farmhouse, so convinced were the firearms team of what the police officers told them regarding the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window, which was also the very reason why the firearm team were deployed to the scene in the first place?

Imagine...

Firearms team are deployed to whf in response to a request from a police officer who saw a figure who could have been armed at a bedroom window, and yet upon arrival the said police officers, do not speak to the firearms officers about what they saw earlier, or vice versa, there is absolutely no official police record of documentation covering this feature of the case, yet there must surely have been some sort of discussion once the firearms team arrived at the scene?

Furthermore...

Nobody at the control room speaks about, or mentions the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window, which was the message which CA07 passed to the control room once they ran from the grounds of whf back to the patrol car which was parked up in pages lane?

Now...

all these instances where there are no mention about the figure which was  seen at the bedroom window, clearly point to a deliberate cover up...

[mike tesko]

Based on the information which has so far been released it appears as though the firearms team were never told about the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window as observed by Bews, Myall and Bamber?

[mike tesko]

Based on the information which has so far been released it appears as though the firearms team were never told about the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window as observed by Bews, Myall and Bamber?

Now, how bizarre and unlikely is that?

[Roch]

I would also go as far to say that so convinced were the police that they had seen a person alive at the bedroom window, that by the time the firearms team arrived at the scene it was this information which prevented them from rushing straight into the farmhouse, so convinced were the firearms team of what the police officers told them regarding the sighting of the figure at the bedroom window, which was also the very reason why the firearm team were deployed to the scene in the first place?

Bews is taking a huge risk if this is true.  And I have always suspected that nobody would take such a risk unless they had received some kind of assurance that the truth will never be allowed to come out.  That in turn directly impacts upon due legal process as applied to Jeremy, in respect of overturning his convictions, imo. 

Ask your self.  If Bews can blatantly lie and Miller can be so brazened as to give a cameo on Crimes That Shook Britain, how likely is it that these people have a care in the world regarding exposure of any involvement they have had in evidence tampering or bearing false witness?

Rochy the trouble is everytime it looks like a successful appeal might happen it shows up massive huge mistakes that happened that night including an accident when  Sheila could have been murdered

Everytime that looks clearer I can see the shredders going full speed destroying any actual

evidence to prove that Sheila was killed by the police


Unless some police officer really do come forward I don't believe the police involvement will ever be made public

Also it looks like Simon is concentrating on different issues right now

I see the points you are making.  If the shredder has been busy then Bews and Miller can continue with their media careers.   Has anyone else wondered about the fact that these ex cops linked to the case are the ones commenting on the case?

[mike tesko]

For some reason...

police do not mention the bloodstains on the back of Sheila's nightdress and an absence of any of Sheila's blood on the carpet beneath where her body was photographed at 10am, onwards, yet you would have thought  that such evidence would have formed part of the case against Jeremy during the trial, to help establish that Sheila's body had been moved after she was shot dead and stage managed?

[mike tesko]

For some reason...

police do not mention the bloodstains on the back of Sheila's nightdress and an absence of any of Sheila's blood on the carpet beneath where her body was photographed at 10am, onwards, yet you would have thought  that such evidence would have formed part of the case against Jeremy during the trial, to help establish that Sheila's body had been moved after she was shot dead and stage managed?

Why has this feature  never been part of the case against Jeremy, not at all for the past 26 years?

It is surely because the police moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, and Sheila had originally been found downstairs and later fled upstairs, and that by the time all this took place, the blood on the rear of her nightdress had dried...

[grahameb]

Grahame, I think that's a little unrealistic. I'm sure they don't kill more innocents suspected of being guilty,than innocents who are innocent, if you get my drift. However I'm sure they Kill "innocent" people, but hindsight is a wonderfull thing. An"innocent" that was shot of late was JC de Menzies, and he was "correctly" shot on the instruction of a superior officer. I dont think calling police firearms teams incompetent is at all fair to be honest.

Well I'm sure that was a great comfort to de Menzies family that he was shot "correctly" by instructions of a "superiour".

[grahameb]

There are several such threads, such as here.

Thank you Reader.

[grahameb]

Thanks for clarifying that.

Well lets just say that if my SAS friends call them incompetent I usually sit up and listen.

[grahameb]

It was David Shaw who sent me an email about the presence of a doctor Harris at the scene, and when I asked him for more details, Shaw simply said that I didn't need to know any more about the role Doctor Harris played at the scene...

Did you know that Dr. Craig was an alcoholic? Could this be a reason? Why did Dr Craig certify the deaths at the same time? I would have thought that if Sheila was the last to die then rigor mortis had not yet set in thus making her death easier to to time? Yet we appear to have no record of any body temperatures that may have been taken? Could Dr. Craig's alcoholism be the reason another doctor to be called? Because as far as I know Dr. Harris was not a local doctor?

[mertol22]

There seems to be questions as to who was in control of operations that night, starting with this bews officer, given the  situation involved firearms why on earth was he sent there, he should have been quickly outranked .

[grahameb]

they fired multiple head shots to incapacitate him.you dont know there dead until certified. you dont single shot if you shoot,you shoot to kill IMO

Sounds like overkill to me? Remind me not to take the tube carrying a back pack will you. I wouldn't want to come up against these incompetents.