Police did not only move Sheila's hand, to photograph marks on Nightdress...

[Buddy]

So the wound close to the chin could be a non fatal?

Pathologist suggested the first shot to the neck would not have been immediately fatal, and Sheila could have walked around for a while.
The shot under the chin in his opinion would have been instantaneous death.

[Buddy]

After slaughtering your family you would have thought JB would get this bit right. I remain unconvinced that JB was responsible.
IMO RWB framed him. The cuckoo who was about to inherit the family fortune and bugger off to New Zealand and leave the rest to stew in their own juices, after recalling in their debts.
I think this is so obvious. Cops given jobs, cops having a piss up with Ann, and her husband.
It stinks to high heaven

[mike tesko]

Pathologist suggested the first shot to the neck would not have been immediately fatal, and Sheila could have walked around for a while.
The shot under the chin in his opinion would have been instantaneous death.

that is what the pathologist said, but it does not mean that that is what happened or would have definitely occurred, although in this instance I accept what he says...

[ngb1066]

that is what the pathologist said, but it does not mean that that is what happened or would have definitely occurred, although in this instance I accept what he says...

I agree.  The second shot directly and deeply penetrated Sheila's brain.  There can be no argument about the result of that.   The first shot would have resulted is considerable bleeding as the jugular vein was severed.

 

[mike tesko]

I agree.  The second shot directly and deeply penetrated Sheila's brain.  There can be no argument about the result of that.   The first shot would have resulted is considerable bleeding as the jugular vein was severed.

I agree...

What I can't fathom out, is how the second shot could have been inflicted within a split second of the original, considering the angles at which the rifle must have been offered to the neck, to inflict the two wounds? First shot at a 45 degree angle, and the second shot with rifle flush with the body? I can't for the life of me understand how both shots were fired seconds after the other. In my opinion, everything points to some sort of a delay having occurred between both shots occurring...

[ngb1066]

I agree...

What I can't fathom out, is how the second shot could have been inflicted within a split second of the original, considering the angles at which the rifle must have been offered to the neck, to inflict the two wounds? First shot at a 45 degree angle, and the second shot with rifle flush with the body? I can't for the life of me understand how both shots were fired seconds after the other. In my opinion, everything points to some sort of a delay having occurred between both shots occurring...

I think that is very likely Mike.

[tonyb]

Pathologist says death would have followed instantaneously once the wound under the chin was inflicted, but I suppose it could be possible that she might not have died as instantaneously, as he suggests?

So, in those circumstances, what would your point be?

The "chin" wound. In my scenario of SC recovering that would have to be the non fatal shot, thats why i queried the sequence fo the wounds.as it now seems, in my opinon the "finger"marks to me still look like where the neck has made a seal around the wound,and has been opened ? head moved,after the second,fatal shot.

[mike tesko]

I think that is very likely Mike.

The cover up started from a very early stage, involving the timing of the two shots, where the police were prepared to accept that the second shot occurred as a result of recoil. It was an explanation that was introduced, in my opinion, to cover for Sheila being shot for the second time, after the police surgeon confirmed Sheila to be dead, and his reference to there only being one wound on her throat at that stage (8:44am)...

I believe that the police know that Sheila shot and killed the others, and that they also know that Jeremy did not shoot dead his sister in the bedroom and stage manage her body on the floor to make it look like she had taken her own life. The police know that this is not true, because they originally found Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen, and later it ended upstairs in the bedroom on the bed, and the police moved it onto the bedroom floor, themselves...

[mike tesko]

The "chin" wound. In my scenario of SC recovering that would have to be the non fatal shot, thats why i queried the sequence fo the wounds.as it now seems, in my opinon the "finger"marks to me still look like where the neck has made a seal around the wound,and has been opened ? head moved,after the second,fatal shot.

Could be, but if true, second shot occurred whilst Sheila was on floor, and gun was being replaced onto the body by the police in some sort of reconstruction involving a training exercise...

[Buddy]

Although I am unconvinced that JB shot Sheila to make it make look like a suicide, I am equally unconvinced that Sheila needed two shots to exit the world.
Surely [don't call me shirley] she would reckonise the fact that a shot in the neck would not suffice her departure. Legging it up the stairs is a non runner for me.
I am still thinking of AP, and his involvment as his statements have a ring of untruths. I know you lot think I am obsessed with AP, but I still think I am on the right track, and sooner or later I will be proved right.

[tonyb]

I hope I have explained the point I have been trying tio make, basically, there appears to be two trails of blood leading away from the lower entry wound, one which runs vertically and which has dried, and the other horizontally which is wet looking...

I see what your saying about the line of what looks like dried / flaked blood stain. this is from the non fatal wound and if SC was able to walk / stand i expect you would see these type of marks from the wound IMO

[ngb1066]

Although I am unconvinced that JB shot Sheila to make it make look like a suicide, I am equally unconvinced that Sheila needed two shots to exit the world.
Surely [don't call me shirley] she would reckonise the fact that a shot in the neck would not suffice her departure. Legging it up the stairs is a non runner for me.
I am still thinking of AP, and his involvment as his statements have a ring of untruths. I know you lot think I am obsessed with AP, but I still think I am on the right track, and sooner or later I will be proved right.

Cliff  - I understand the point you are making, but do you not think that the first shot was likely to have been the result of Sheila getting the angle wrong?  It is fairly tricky to get it right with a shot from underneath.  That is why placing the barrel in the mouth is more commonly seen.

[Buddy]

That is exacly my point Neil. She would have put the barrel in her gob, and not frigged around trying to find the sweet shot.

[ngb1066]

That is exacly my point Neil. She would have put the barrel in her gob, and not frigged around trying to find the sweet shot.

Yes I see what you are saying Cliff and you may be right.

 

[grahameb]

Although I am unconvinced that JB shot Sheila to make it make look like a suicide, I am equally unconvinced that Sheila needed two shots to exit the world.
Surely [don't call me shirley] she would reckonise the fact that a shot in the neck would not suffice her departure. Legging it up the stairs is a non runner for me.
I am still thinking of AP, and his involvment as his statements have a ring of untruths. I know you lot think I am obsessed with AP, but I still think I am on the right track, and sooner or later I will be proved right.

I also tend to think the same as you buddy. AP knows something I'm sure of it?