you should all know this?

[andrea]

Are they just Air rifle pellets? above

[clifford]

Exacly Mike. There is no way is that a waisted pellet in Sheila's neck.
Can I draw your attention to the WAX cfovering on this type of ammo.
Do you not recognise the signicance of this. Can you realise why there was no lead on Sheila's hands.
WAX WAX WAX.

[mike tesko]

Are they just Air rifle pellets? above

.22 air pellets, yes...

[mike tesko]

Exacly Mike. There is no way is that a waisted pellet in Sheila's neck.
Can I draw your attention to the WAX cfovering on this type of ammo.
Do you not recognise the signicance of this. Can you realise why there was no lead on Sheila's hands.
WAX WAX WAX.

I beg to differ...

But just to be specific, are you referring to the debri as shown in the xray, or to the photographs taken by Major mead, of bullet PV/20?

[Roch]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

'Z' has thus far refused to comment on whether 'Taff' Jones death was an accident or suspicious, although from talking with 'Z' on the two occasions we met, I get the impression that 'Z' is mindful of the consequences should 'Z's identity become blown. I personally think that 'Z' thinks that the death of 'Taff' Jones was suspicious and could be linked to what he knew and what he was prepared to expose should the trial of JB actually go ahead...

OK.  This again could be interpreted as your view though.  I'm not claiming that you're being dishonest with this 'Z' stuff.  But it's alienating forum members.  We've gone down to one guilty camp member and half the pro camp are up in arms, while the other are prodding it with a stick.  I wish there was a way for you confirm its integrity to everyone.   

[mike tesko]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

'Z' has thus far refused to comment on whether 'Taff' Jones death was an accident or suspicious, although from talking with 'Z' on the two occasions we met, I get the impression that 'Z' is mindful of the consequences should 'Z's identity become blown. I personally think that 'Z' thinks that the death of 'Taff' Jones was suspicious and could be linked to what he knew and what he was prepared to expose should the trial of JB actually go ahead...

OK.  This again could be interpreted as your view though.  I'm not claiming that you're being dishonest with this 'Z' stuff.  But it's alienating forum members.  We've gone down to one guilty camp member and half the pro camp are up in arms, while the other are prodding it with a stick.  I wish there was a way for you confirm its integrity to everyone.

'Z' has not directly expressed a view on this point, to me...

[bob]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

'Z' has thus far refused to comment on whether 'Taff' Jones death was an accident or suspicious, although from talking with 'Z' on the two occasions we met, I get the impression that 'Z' is mindful of the consequences should 'Z's identity become blown. I personally think that 'Z' thinks that the death of 'Taff' Jones was suspicious and could be linked to what he knew and what he was prepared to expose should the trial of JB actually go ahead...

OK.  This again could be interpreted as your view though.  I'm not claiming that you're being dishonest with this 'Z' stuff.  But it's alienating forum members.  We've gone down to one guilty camp member and half the pro camp are up in arms, while the other are prodding it with a stick.  I wish there was a way for you confirm its integrity to everyone.

'Z' has not directly expressed a view on this point...

If ('Z') reads this forum, as you say they do, then they should come forward and post. They could still maintain their anonymity so I see no reason for them to lurk in the shadows.

[clifford]

Exacly Mike. There is no way is that a waisted pellet in Sheila's neck.
Can I draw your attention to the WAX cfovering on this type of ammo.
Do you not recognise the signicance of this. Can you realise why there was no lead on Sheila's hands.
WAX WAX WAX.

I beg to differ...

But just to be specific, are you referring to the debri as shown in the xray, or to the photographs taken by Major mead, of bullet PV/20?

I give up. NBG will you tell this man that this is NOT a pellet, A pellet would not fragment, in fact I have seen someone re use a pellet taken from a rabbit. You need to rethink this Mike.
Sheila had 12 bore, 4 10 shot guns at her disposal, but chose a 22 air rifle to end her life.
I can't buy into that.

[andrea]

Air rifle pellets are tiny little things arent they? or they were when i was a kid.

[mertol22]

Even into death you can take vanity.

[mertol22]

Air rifle pellets are tiny little things arent they? or they were when i was a kid.

i had a 1.77 air pistol and a break action rifle the pellets were small 22 bigger, you can get hunting ones with a point tip for vermin control ect.

[mike tesko]

Air rifle pellets are tiny little things arent they? or they were when i was a kid.

.22 pellets make the same entry holes as .22 bullets...

[Roch]

As time moved on, and it became increasingly clear that the relatives would have to raise monies to pay back to Ralph Bambers estate for land and other building work carried out which had been financed by Ralph Bamber, it is not too difficult to see why Robert Boutflour sprung into action with the sole purpose of throwing suspicion upon Jeremy with a view to getting him locked up and convicted for the murders to pave the way for his extended family to become the sole beneficiaries of the Bamber estate(s)...

Which is what occurred over time...

I will draw some scorn by appearing to run with the 'Z' thing.  Though I have also threw a few questions at you regarding its integrity. 

So I'm going to go further and ask about this: 'Z' must have opinion about the death of Taff Jones?

'Z' has thus far refused to comment on whether 'Taff' Jones death was an accident or suspicious, although from talking with 'Z' on the two occasions we met, I get the impression that 'Z' is mindful of the consequences should 'Z's identity become blown. I personally think that 'Z' thinks that the death of 'Taff' Jones was suspicious and could be linked to what he knew and what he was prepared to expose should the trial of JB actually go ahead...

OK.  This again could be interpreted as your view though.  I'm not claiming that you're being dishonest with this 'Z' stuff.  But it's alienating forum members.  We've gone down to one guilty camp member and half the pro camp are up in arms, while the other are prodding it with a stick.  I wish there was a way for you confirm its integrity to everyone.

'Z' has not directly expressed a view on this point...

If ('Z') reads this forum, as you say they do, then they should come forward and post. They could still maintain their anonymity so I see no reason for them to lurk in the shadows.

Pretty sure their ID would get sussed out very quickly by those monitoring the forum (i.e. the ones with access to such means).

[Blodwynflower]

Mike, are you able to divulge if your informant has come forward as a direct result of your forum?

[mike tesko]

Exacly Mike. There is no way is that a waisted pellet in Sheila's neck.
Can I draw your attention to the WAX cfovering on this type of ammo.
Do you not recognise the signicance of this. Can you realise why there was no lead on Sheila's hands.
WAX WAX WAX.

I beg to differ...

But just to be specific, are you referring to the debri as shown in the xray, or to the photographs taken by Major mead, of bullet PV/20?

I give up. NBG will you tell this man that this is NOT a pellet, A pellet would not fragment, in fact I have seen someone re use a pellet taken from a rabbit. You need to rethink this Mike.
Sheila had 12 bore, 4 10 shot guns at her disposal, but chose a 22 air rifle to end her life.
I can't buy into that.

You are overlooking something of extreme importance...

According to the contents of a hand written note sent by DI Cook to the ballistics expert, Malcolm Fletcher, the silencer through which bullets had been fired was warped or damaged due to it having received a hard knock. What this means is that any bullet or pellet fired through the damaged silencer would almost certainly have become damaged before it left the muzzle end of the silencer. With this in mind, it is very probable if not highly likely that any .22 pellet fired through the damaged silencer would fragment in the same way that whatever it is inside Sheila's neck fragmented...

If the silencer was damaged, and it was damaging bullets or pellets fired through it, then the fragmented pieces shown to be present inside Sheila's neck in the Xray, could be the remnants of a damaged pellet so damaged by the damaged silencer...