Ms Mugford

[Sparkfilms]

There is a fair bit more none of us will want to read.

I spoke about the case at the weekend to a retired EP DI.

We go back a long way as he represented Essex Police in both football and cricket, and the football team I captained were in opposition to the police ( only on the sports field ).

Anyway, enough of that.

Although he didn't work on the case he seemed well informed ( much better than the friend of Ms Mugford if she doesn't mind my saying ).

I asked him what I consider to be some of the key points.

He was not able to answer all of them, but he did admit that the body of Shelia was probably moved 'a number of times but not in any significant distance or direction', additionally, he confirmed that the police had then put the gun back 'more or less where they found it'.  He said that the body may have moved a foot or so from its original resting place.

When I asked him about the loud hailer he said that they never had a response from inside the farm, but at the time they had reason to believe that Shelia was alive. I mentioned the 'in conversation with someone inside the farm' and he said that was how the thing got logged, but it was effectively a one way conversation.

He said members of the force were shocked and deeply upset by what they found.

[shonapugs]

There is a fair bit more none of us will want to read.

I spoke about the case at the weekend to a retired EP DI.

We go back a long way as he represented Essex Police in both football and cricket, and the football team I captained were in opposition to the police ( only on the sports field ).

Anyway, enough of that.

Although he didn't work on the case he seemed well informed ( much better than the friend of Ms Mugford if she doesn't mind my saying ).

I asked him what I consider to be some of the key points.

He was not able to answer all of them, but he did admit that the body of Shelia was probably moved 'a number of times but not in any significant distance or direction', additionally, he confirmed that the police had then put the gun back 'more or less where they found it'.  He said that the body may have moved a foot or so from its original resting place.

When I asked him about the loud hailer he said that they never had a response from inside the farm, but at the time they had reason to believe that Shelia was alive. I mentioned the 'in conversation with someone inside the farm' and he said that was how the thing got logged, but it was effectively a one way conversation.

He said members of the force were shocked and deeply upset by what they found.

Thanks for this, Sparks.

What do you think, Mike?

[Sparkfilms]

Something else.

I asked him about the man and woman thing in the kitchen.

His reply was quite interesting.

He said something like - 'at first glance I don't think they could tell if it was a man or a woman' and he went on to say, that 'whoever it was there was only one of them'.

Over the months I have now spoken to Chris Bews, several members of Essex Police, a friend of Julie Mugford, two people who worked on the farm and at least 4 people who knew Jeremy Bamber.

Addionally, I have also been in contact with Eric Allison, Scott Lomax, newspaper reporters who worked on the case, Andrew Hunter and a number of others who support Jeremy.

So, I've done a fair bit, but nowhere near as much as Mike in particular.

I'm glad I've listened to both sides.

[grahameb]

Something else.

I asked him about the man and woman thing in the kitchen.

His reply was quite interesting.

He said something like - 'at first glance I don't think they could tell if it was a man or a woman' and he went on to say, that 'whoever it was there was only one of them'.

Over the months I have now spoken to Chris Bews, several members of Essex Police, a friend of Julie Mugford, two people who worked on the farm and at least 4 people who knew Jeremy Bamber.

Addionally, I have also been in contact with Eric Allison, Scott Lomax, newspaper reporters who worked on the case, Andrew Hunter and a number of others who support Jeremy.

So, I've done a fair bit, but nowhere near as much as Mike in particular.

I'm glad I've listened to both sides.

Great work Sparks.

[bob]

Something else.

I asked him about the man and woman thing in the kitchen.

His reply was quite interesting.

He said something like - 'at first glance I don't think they could tell if it was a man or a woman' and he went on to say, that 'whoever it was there was only one of them'.

Over the months I have now spoken to Chris Bews, several members of Essex Police, a friend of Julie Mugford, two people who worked on the farm and at least 4 people who knew Jeremy Bamber.

Addionally, I have also been in contact with Eric Allison, Scott Lomax, newspaper reporters who worked on the case, Andrew Hunter and a number of others who support Jeremy.

So, I've done a fair bit, but nowhere near as much as Mike in particular.

I'm glad I've listened to both sides.

You're doing sterling work Sparks. Do you think you'll get a documentary out of this? I guess it would only really be worth doing if you firmly believed there is a miscarriage of justice. Is that still your position, or have you moved a bit in light of the information you have gathered from your interviews?

[Alias]

Sparkfilms, thank you for your info. I don't believe that Jeremy is guilty, but strangely, your accounts correspond very well with what I think about the case - almost exactly in fact, except for the fact that it has been proven that Julie Mugford lied about there not being a police officer with her in the bank when she and her friend went to talk to the bank manager about the check-fraud. There was - and that indicates some sort of deal between police and JM,  in my opinion. Something fishy was going on there. There is a post about it here somewhere with the documents to prove her lies. I don´t have time to find it now.
A good documentary would raise awareness about this case.

[Sparkfilms]

I have just been sitting in Culver Square, Colchester with my dog and several people approached me to ask if I had heard the news this morning about Jeremy - which I hadn't.

All they were able to say is that it was mentioned on the radio and referred to his sentence.

I won't be making a docu myself on this but if anyone else is doing so then I have mobile numbers for members of EP and they are quite willing to help.

Chris Bews lives three miles away.

[Sparkfilms]

Sorry ABS - missed your post in the rush - I am in no doubt that a deal was brokered between EP and Mugford but it was ring-fenced.

I am also fairly sure now that some evidence was 'given a bit more flesh' ( I think that's how it was put ).

Evidence was 'moulded to save ******* about' was another term used I think, but I have to say that my source told me in no uncertain terms that he couldn't see how 'the Caffell girl pulled the trigger'.

He thought the shootings may have occurred between 1am and 2am.

But to repeat - my contact did not work on that case, though he did work on a number of other high profile Essex Murders ( inc. Rettendon ).

[grahameb]

I have just been sitting in Culver Square, Colchester with my dog and several people approached me to ask if I had heard the news this morning about Jeremy - which I hadn't.

All they were able to say is that it was mentioned on the radio and referred to his sentence.

I won't be making a docu myself on this but if anyone else is doing so then I have mobile numbers for members of EP and they are quite willing to help.

Chris Bews lives three miles away.

What news is that Sparks?

[Sparkfilms]

Sorry, didn't really catch it with dogs barking & kids screaming - hoping someone else starts a new thread on it as I would be interested to know what the content was.

What happened to that 'Good News' thing - did I miss something or is there a link via the airwaves?

[HMEssex]

On Bambertweets it says: "Apparently Freedom Fortnight just mentioned on Essex Radio".

[grahameb]

Sorry, didn't really catch it with dogs barking & kids screaming - hoping someone else starts a new thread on it as I would be interested to know what the content was.

What happened to that 'Good News' thing - did I miss something or is there a link via the airwaves?

Don't know yet. If you pm Jackie Preece she may give you the information? It isn't anything too dramatic. But it does involve someone very well known?

[Alias]

What agegroup does JM teach? If they are larger kids, they´d know about her past, easy peasy on the internet these days.
BTW, could you imagine having her as a teacher? Poor kids. Like having Mrs. Danvers as your teacher. 

[HMEssex]

What agegroup does JM teach? If they are larger kids, they´d know about her past, easy peasy on the internet these days.
BTW, could you imagine having her as a teacher? Poor kids. Like having Mrs. Danvers as your teacher. 

I was wondering the same thing earlier today abs!

I always assumed she would be a primary school teacher.

If you Google her name it mentions elementary schools, which I think is the same as primary in UK.  It seems she is now a principal - if it's the same person.

I find it hard to think of her as a teacher too.  It's hard to reconcile the two sides of JM  - one as a petty, drug-taking criminal, with her 'respectable' teacher trainee side. Wouldn't like her teaching my kids that's for sure.

It's interesting that she was on anti-depressants and sleeping pills due to the stress of her teacher training. 

[bob]

You don't believe in rehabilitation then abs?