More Lies About Jeremy In the Press

[grahameb]

Taking the individual out of the equation in order that I don't offend.

If somebody (let's change the sex as well and call her Penelope Pitstop), if Penelope was guilty of murdering five members of her family including two children, would it be correct that Miss Pitstop was detained at her Majesties pleasure even though it was costing £75k (or whatever that figure may be)?

If guilty then yes I would agree. But the governing factor here is there is grave doubt as to his guilt and this is not just what he says. It is also acknowledged by expert lawyers. Any case where the convicted protests his/her innocence must in all conscience be investigated honestly by the authorities where no legal obstables are purposely put in the way to obstruch such an investigation. Jeremy's case has certainly been obstructed by the legal system and this has clearly been commented upon by many legal experts.

And if that is the case then it doesn't matter about the money does it? If he's had legal aid then he deserves it right?
I think this whole episode is more to do with the newspapers not having anything else to make a story out of, any article which mentions Brady, Neilson, Nilson and Bamber in the same breath is simply looking to shock it's readers. There is no doubt that JB's captivity and legal fees or court costs or whatever have cost tax payers money.

Other than the fact that some folk consider him to be innocent, I don't understand what the argument is.

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

[H]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

[grahameb]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

Ok, let me put it this way by way of illustration. Someone has just loaned me a book by Claire Powell called Murder at WHF. Of course many have read it and I suspect it has gone a long way of forming the opinions of many in the guilty camp concerning JB? As soon as I started reading it I was put off by her writing style. She writes as if it is a novel and a lot of what she says are her opinions put over as fact. Because of this novel style of writing. It reads like a crime thriller many things that are glossed over by her are picked up on by her readers. Just one example she describes Jeremy beginning his onslaught of the family with Ralph opening the door to him and him beating him to the ground and then creeping upstairs only to be met by a cowering whimpering dog (crispy) which he then shuts in the wardrobe before continuing his murderous rampage..

Well just how much of that is speculation do you think? Well pretty much all of it, including a definite mistake as well.
But the simple minded pick up on such things and thus a series of lies have been born.
That is what I'm talking about. What these newspapers have flippantly published has just ended up as ammunition by the guilty camp and especially by the one celled morons on the facebook guilty page, which they will no doubt enthusiastically lob at Jeremy and his supporters. That is why it is important for the newspapers to publish accuracy and truth instead of aiming at sensationalism.

[curiousessex]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

The only issue I can see, having read the articles, is the possibility that a reader could interpret from the articles that the public purse has paid large sums of money for a number of parole hearings which is not the case. Jeremy, over time, has clearly had substantial legal expenses paid for by the Legal Aid system given the two previous appeals etc. The Legal Aid system being funded by the Tax payer.

[H]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

Ok, let me put it this way by way of illustration. Someone has just loaned me a book by Claire Powell called Murder at WHF. Of course many have read it and I suspect it has gone a long way of forming the opinions of many in the guilty camp concerning JB? As soon as I started reading it I was put off by her writing style. She writes as if it is a novel and a lot of what she says are her opinions put over as fact. Because of this novel style of writing. It reads like a crime thriller many things that are glossed over by her are picked up on by her readers. Just one example she describes Jeremy beginning his onslaught of the family with Ralph opening the door to him and him beating him to the ground and then creeping upstairs only to be met by a cowering whimpering dog (crispy) which he then shuts in the wardrobe before continuing his murderous rampage..

Well just how much of that is speculation do you think? Well pretty much all of it, including a definite mistake as well.
But the simple minded pick up on such things and thus a series of lies have been born.
That is what I'm talking about. What these newspapers have flippantly published has just ended up as ammunition by the guilty camp and especially by the one celled morons on the facebook guilty page, which they will no doubt enthusiastically lob at Jeremy and his supporters. That is why it is important for the newspapers to publish accuracy and truth instead of aiming at sensationalism.

Yes I agree, and understand your point, but I would also add that JB has used the media to post similar misleading or inaccurate information. One example being the phone logs between West and Bonnett, the layman would see it exactly as it was suggested by JB, it's only when you learn that '1990' written in the sender box is the collar number of West, that it takes on it's true identity.
That's just how it it is and the nature of such media, it's used and abused (in my opinion) as much by the defence as it is by newspapers trying to sell their rag.

^^^^
That's all, only in my opinion - I'm just emphasising that point.

[grahameb]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

Ok, let me put it this way by way of illustration. Someone has just loaned me a book by Claire Powell called Murder at WHF. Of course many have read it and I suspect it has gone a long way of forming the opinions of many in the guilty camp concerning JB? As soon as I started reading it I was put off by her writing style. She writes as if it is a novel and a lot of what she says are her opinions put over as fact. Because of this novel style of writing. It reads like a crime thriller many things that are glossed over by her are picked up on by her readers. Just one example she describes Jeremy beginning his onslaught of the family with Ralph opening the door to him and him beating him to the ground and then creeping upstairs only to be met by a cowering whimpering dog (crispy) which he then shuts in the wardrobe before continuing his murderous rampage..

Well just how much of that is speculation do you think? Well pretty much all of it, including a definite mistake as well.
But the simple minded pick up on such things and thus a series of lies have been born.
That is what I'm talking about. What these newspapers have flippantly published has just ended up as ammunition by the guilty camp and especially by the one celled morons on the facebook guilty page, which they will no doubt enthusiastically lob at Jeremy and his supporters. That is why it is important for the newspapers to publish accuracy and truth instead of aiming at sensationalism.

Yes I agree, and understand your point, but I would also add that JB has used the media to post similar misleading or inaccurate information. One example being the phone logs between West and Bonnett, the layman would see it exactly as it was suggested by JB, it's only when you learn that '1990' written in the sender box is the collar number of West, that it takes on it's true identity.
That's just how it it is and the nature of such media, it's used and abused (in my opinion) as much by the defence as it is by newspapers trying to sell their rag.

^^^^
That's all, only in my opinion - I'm just emphasising that point.

So, can you inform us of similar misleading information publushed by Jeremy Hartley?

[H]

Well I just did, regarding the logs. 

[grahameb]

Well I just did, regarding the logs. 

No I mean any more. Or is that the only one you can think of? Remember of course that Jeremy thought that it was 2 different logs as well, because he used them as part of his appeal to the CCRC this time round in spite of his legal team advising him not to. So it can't really be counted as something where he was intending to be misleading. But I'm trying myself to recall any misinformation that he is supposed to put out in order to mislead people?

[Jackiepreece]

Jackie

In your last post above you state - 'I think it is vital that the general public are made aware that we are paying £75,000 to keep someone in prison who could well be innocent.....'

Given the above do you think it is possible Jeremy could also be guilty?


Curious Essex
No I don't curious Essex the jury were misled at trial re other people having a motive over the heritance.  The jury did not have the facts before them regarding Julie Mugfords bonus on Jeremys conviction.  Numerous documents and photos were witheld at trial. Before appeals Essex Police destroyed importance evidence that they has been told to keep. The desperation by relatives shown by dripfeeding missinformation and missconceptions about Jeremy. Why would you bother if you know someone is guilty. A continuing withholding of evidence for 26 years. Nothing to hide then be open and transparent.
Curiousessex I could go on and on but at this point no I do not think it's possible JB is guilty

[H]

Well I just did, regarding the logs. 

No I mean any more. Or is that the only one you can think of? Remember of course that Jeremy thought that it was 2 different logs as well, because he used them as part of his appeal to the CCRC this time round in spite of his legal team advising him not to. So it can't really be counted as something where he was intending to be misleading. But I'm trying myself to recall any misinformation that he is supposed to put out in order to mislead people?

Yes I could point you to several instances on his own website, when I have time I ca offer further examples if that is really what you want. It's called propahanda and JB uses it well.

[grahameb]

Well I just did, regarding the logs. 

No I mean any more. Or is that the only one you can think of? Remember of course that Jeremy thought that it was 2 different logs as well, because he used them as part of his appeal to the CCRC this time round in spite of his legal team advising him not to. So it can't really be counted as something where he was intending to be misleading. But I'm trying myself to recall any misinformation that he is supposed to put out in order to mislead people?

Yes I could point you to several instances on his own website, when I have time I ca offer further examples if that is really what you want. It's called propahanda and JB uses it well.

Yes if you could Hartley. We must look at all sides. I'll tell you how the facebook guilty page think. They post things like, "why are some women attracted to mass murderers?" This implying that every woman who supports Jeremy Bamber is attracted to him because he is a murderer and they speak about all supporters as either deranged or foolish because to them he is so obviously guilty.
Now I don't know about you, but to me it is firstly a slur upon all women, for it is sexist and secondly that the men and every other supporter is brainless and unthinking. You have in fact seen examples of this on this forum as specimens from that page have been here as well.

That is what I call propaganda. Perhaps the Jeremy Bamber website is just adjusting the balance? So just what is wrong with propaganda if it is calculated to put inaccuracies right and to set people's thinking straight? Better that than a sustained campaign to continually blacken Jeremy's name when you have him where you want him already.

Personally I think that everyone who continually kicks someone else when he's down already are people who have something to lose if he gets the justice that he didn't get in the first instant. Why all this effort to continually beat him down. What other reason could their possibly be?

[andrea]

oh please dont get me started on the slurring of female supporters 

[mertol22]

Without the freedom of information act Jeremy would be denied important information required to enable justice to be done, Jeremy is fighting for justice not freedom, and i for one think he will win this battle, lets have it all Harley everything they are hiding, we are supposed to be a free democratic western country, not some island ruled by dictators,Jeremy is getting close now, and the fight goes on as to the press i will be nice to the forum and step down from what i could say, to me they are not representitive .

[chochokeira]

I suppose it is to do with printing the truth. For it is this that will ultimately form public opinion concerning Jeremy.

Maybe, I'm not sure it's as big a deal as what has been made out in this thread. Perhaps I'm missing the point, it has been known. 

Ok, let me put it this way by way of illustration. Someone has just loaned me a book by Claire Powell called Murder at WHF. Of course many have read it and I suspect it has gone a long way of forming the opinions of many in the guilty camp concerning JB? As soon as I started reading it I was put off by her writing style. She writes as if it is a novel and a lot of what she says are her opinions put over as fact. Because of this novel style of writing. It reads like a crime thriller many things that are glossed over by her are picked up on by her readers. Just one example she describes Jeremy beginning his onslaught of the family with Ralph opening the door to him and him beating him to the ground and then creeping upstairs only to be met by a cowering whimpering dog (crispy) which he then shuts in the wardrobe before continuing his murderous rampage..

Well just how much of that is speculation do you think? Well pretty much all of it, including a definite mistake as well.
But the simple minded pick up on such things and thus a series of lies have been born.
That is what I'm talking about. What these newspapers have flippantly published has just ended up as ammunition by the guilty camp and especially by the one celled morons on the facebook guilty page, which they will no doubt enthusiastically lob at Jeremy and his supporters. That is why it is important for the newspapers to publish accuracy and truth instead of aiming at sensationalism.

Well said! Good post, Grahame +1

[chochokeira]

Without the freedom of information act Jeremy would be denied important information required to enable justice to be done, Jeremy is fighting for justice not freedom, and i for one think he will win this battle, lets have it all Harley everything they are hiding, we are supposed to be a free democratic western country, not some island ruled by dictators,Jeremy is getting close now, and the fight goes on as to the press i will be nice to the forum and step down from what i could say, to me they are not representitive .

Good post, Mertol, +1