US-Israel Attacks Iran

[David1819]

    13 bases have been made uninhabitable according to even the New York Times. You sound like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail after having all four limbs removed, "Tis but a scratch".

You are in no position to criticize or lecture anyone on this subject or any conflict for that matter.

Everyone who matters understands the price of attacking Iran is way too high. You either don’t or choose not to but there will be no direct attack on Iran.

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   As previously stated, NATO are still planning and arming for 20th century wars(Aircraft carriers and air power). All neutralised by modern air defence, missile tech and electronic warfare. In any openly declared NATO/Russia war (or China, Iran and others) no aircraft carrier or naval strike group would survive the opening skirmishes.

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. US are powerless to intervene. The development of accurate and un-interceptable hypersonic missiles has made their isolated bases all over the Middle East indefensible.

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   Israel couldn’t strike Iranian launch sites. How will they do this? You do know the distance between Iran and Israel, I take it. Iran’s sites are buried underground and in mountains. Israel have no ground based missile capability that could reach Iran, never mind take out their launch sites. Israeli planes can’t reach Iran without refuelling, airspace closed off to them.

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Turkey's current position is extremely fragile and leads inevitably to the Syrian govt. recovering the entirety of the north of the country. Their terrorist proxies will be utterly defeated when the inevitable attack comes.
 

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     Syria will, as Assad has promised, recover every inch of Syrian soil from the illegal occupiers, including the Golan Heights.

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   This is only scratching the surface of the disarray in the supposed Ukrainian leadership. It will soon only exist only as a land-locked rump state, at best. Odessa will not be left to Ukrainian governance.
   

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    Just search Bella 1 on X/Twitter. This is a direct challenge to the sanctions regime. Will US risk direct confrontation with Russia? Or will the sanctions regime buckle as smaller states, such as Panama where Bella 1 was registered, start registering their ships under the Russian flag to bypass and mock Western sanctions? The US face a stark choice. Blink and the sanctions regime is a busted flush. Enforce their illegal under the UN Charter sanctions and put themselves in a direct confrontation with Russia.

     Decisions, decisions!!

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[David1819]

OK, thanks, Bubo! Lets see what unfolds in the coming weeks or months!
Anyway, what about the Iranian people being oppressed and murdered, can that be legal grounds to start a war?

Trump has openly said that international law does not apply to him and that he is only limited only by his own morality.

[snow66!]

Trump has openly said that international law does not apply to him and that he is only limited only by his own morality.

Ha ha! Do you think Donald will receive the 2026 Nobel peace prize, Dave?

[Steve_uk]

    From Wiki below on Gaza;

"As of 21 February 2026, at least 75,227 people (73,188+ Palestinians[4] and 2,039+ Israelis)[7][8][9][10] have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 248 journalists and media workers,[11] 120 academics,[12] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[13] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed were civilians.[6][5][14] A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children.[15][16]


     Take in the above, snow. Those deaths are a minimum number and all verified. There are still an unknown and untold number under rubble. Hospitals, water infrastructure, aid have all been deliberately targeted. The numbers above are also according to Israeli Ministry of Affairs. Yet genocide is denied by those who currently believe that Iran have murdered 30,000/50,000 (the number changes daily) protesters in a matter of days. All of the Gaza victims are verified with names, video and evidence. All of these clear Israeli crimes are documented and verified.
     Where are the names and pictures of the 60,000/70,000 Iranians "murdered by their own regime"? There are none, on account of the story being evidence free propaganda designed to fool those who lack the intellectual curiosity to ask tough questions into supporting illegal wars of aggression. David, Steve and yourself are examples of the success of this propaganda.
      You could do with learning a little about, at least, the recent history of Iran. From the start of the 20th century is enough to inform you of the real reasons for the current western aggression against them. Nuclear weapons and "oppressive theocratic regime" is just propaganda to keep the incurious onside.
        An easily checkable factual comparison for you which should at least trigger some further questioning, snow. In 1979, the year of the revolution and overthrowing of the oppressive and brutal western imposed regime of Shah Reza Pahlavi, literacy rates in Iran were just 37% for all Iranians over 15. The discrepancies between male (48%) and female (24%) were huge. The Islamic government have made education a mainstay of the revolution. Literacy is effectively universal now and Iran also now ranks 5th worldwide in STEM graduates (335,000 annually), 70% of those STEM graduates are women.
       Only one in four women could read under the regime that westerners want to re-impose on Iran, for women's freedom, you understand  The "regime" they want to overthrow has achieved full literacy and is churning out highly educated females in world beating numbers. No matter your opinion or beliefs, the above are facts. You can ignore them and carry on in your half informed ignorance, but they are still facts and they clash with your world view. Opinions should follow facts, otherwise it is not opinion, just knee jerk bigotry.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.ADT.LITR.FE.ZS?locations=IR

..and your own propaganda is rather selective, isn't it gringo? https://youtu.be/hMDNXNPZeiU

[Adam]

Trump has said America's children are now safe from a nuclear bomb. As if Iran would bomb America.

He says he is happy with there new regime but is going to hit them extremely hard over the next 3 weeks & take them back to the stone age.

He says the war will be over in 3 weeks but wants 200 billion from Congress & says the war means cut backs to medical care.

[Adam]

Trump kept saying in his first term he had 're built the military'. Whether true or not, he must think. I re built it, I might as well use it. Next stop Cuba.

How is Trump going to stop Iran bombing Israel & vice versa? May just leave them to it. Which is something that would not have started if he had not joined forces with Israel.

[Adam]

Trump has no ecomonic policy now his tarriffs have been stopped. He can't even get a ballroom built.

If he starts wars he can blame the economic downturn on 'keeping America safe' & AI.

He does not need his MAGA base or the stock market anymore as not running for re election.

[Adam]

A slim chance a quick win in Iran would have helped him in the mid terms. But Presidents usually do badly.

They are a long way off & Trump might as well get started anyway on wars before he loses the house, senate & is impeached.

[David1819]

Ha ha! Do you think Donald will receive the 2026 Nobel peace prize, Dave?

Absolutely not.

[Bubo bubo]

Absolutely not.

What are the chances of him being indicted by the Hague?

[snow66!]

What are the chances of him being indicted by the Hague?

I was wrong in a previous post, Israel has not returned the Golan Heights to Syria!
Israel gained the ground in the 1967 war and hold on to it to this day for strategic security reasons!

[gringo]

..and your own propaganda is rather selective, isn't it gringo? https://youtu.be/hMDNXNPZeiU

    Nothing selective about it, Steve. How many women over 15 were literate in 1979 Iran under the Shah? Simple question, easy to find the answer. Do you know? Are you suggesting the figure of only 1 in 4 women being literate is wrong? If not, any question of rights after that becomes redundant. No education or literacy. How do you exercise these rights and freedoms when you are illiterate and denied education?
     What is the literacy rate now? Do you know where Iran rank in average IQ globally? Again easy to check. These oppressive regimes eh, Steve. Educating the populace to rank 4th in the world of average IQ behind only China, South Korea and Japan. Only 1 in 4 women could even read their rights under the regimes that you support. There was also a huge disparity between male and female literacy and education that doesn't exist now. This isn't propaganda, it is verifiable truth. How do you explain this?
     The brief history of western aggression against Iran in the 20th century that I gave likewise is all verifiable. I gave names/dates of all events. If you consider any of it false then challenge the specific points that you claim to be propaganda. The timeline clearly shows that western intent has always been to control Iran for its natural wealth and strategic location controlling Hormuz. Why else did the US/UK coup Mossadegh? It was because he nationalised Iran's gas and oil industry. This isn't disputed by anybody. What makes you think the motive is any different this time? Why do you think the US and allies encouraged and armed Saddam Hussein's Iraq, including with chemical weapons, in 1980 immediately after the overthrowing of the Shah and full re-nationalision, again, of the oil and gas industry? Do none of these facts come up in your analysis? They just don't mention it in the rags and bullshit that you read, do they Steve? So you consider it propaganda because it wasn't on the BBC or in the Express.
    After some of the unhinged rants of US officials regarding ignoring Geneva Conventions(Hegseth), targeting all civilian infrastructure simultaneously(Trump), bombing Iran into the Stone Age (Trump), it is laughable that supporters of this war claim to support women's rights. You support an aggressive war instigated by people openly stating their malign and criminal intent to make Iran unlivable and claim to be supporting some Iranian women's human rights.
     "We had to destroy the town to save it".
     

[Adam]

Trump's bar for a successful war keeps falling.

First it was regime change. But that can't be done without boots on the ground.

Then it was stopping there nuclear programme. But Iran is a huge country & there could be bomb making sites anywhere.

Then it was to make a deal. Which Iran has refused.

Now he is boasting the success is because he has destroyed there planes and ships. But they were no threat to America.

[snow66!]

Trump's bar for a successful war keeps falling.

First it was regime change. But that can't be done without boots on the ground.

Then it was stopping there nuclear programme. But Iran is a huge country & there could be bomb making sites anywhere.

Then it was to make a deal. Which Iran has refused.

Now he is boasting the success is because he has destroyed there planes and ships. But they were no threat to America.

Ha ha! You're an optimistic young man, Adam!

[Adam]

Think the plan is to have a big 3 week bombing campaign.

Then walk away with no deal and claim they have taken Iran back to the stone age.

What Israel & Iran do to each other afterwards & the shipping lane won't be his problem.

Don't believe he could carry on further without approval from Congress or extra billions which Congress has to approve.

Trump's slogan can be 'Making America safe in it's shortest ever war'.