Re: Guardian article 27/02/26

[handymanz]

Prisoners must love him!

Not sure what you mean. Keep your fingers crossed and he may end up like Ian Watkins & Ian Huntley.

[BarefootDanC]

I know there is already a reference to this on another thread but it justifies a separate thread.  It is well worth reading.  I believe there is more to come.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2026/feb/27/the-silencer-and-the-white-house-farm-murders-is-this-the-evidence-that-could-free-jeremy-bamber

Most of this article is rubbish which is cut and paste from the Campaign Team websites.

[Jonathan]

The Criminal Justice Bill (that became law in 2003) was introduced in the House of Commons on 21 November 2002. Bamber appeal was denied in mid December.

IIRC it was David Blunketts project.

the relevant clause was added in 2003 before Royal Assent

[Bubo bubo]

the relevant clause was added in 2023 before Royal Assent

But has that specific rule come into effect.

What Section 315 Actually Says

The section provides that:

- The Secretary of State may bring different parts of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 into force on different days.

- Commencement may be general or specific—meaning it can apply to all cases, or only to certain areas, circumstances, or purposes.

- It also allows for transitional, transitory, or saving provisions, which smooth the shift from old law to new law.

This is a standard clause in major Acts of Parliament. It does not create offences, rights, or duties itself; it simply governs when the rest of the Act comes into effect.

[Jonathan]

But has that specific rule come into effect.

What Section 315 Actually Says

The section provides that:

- The Secretary of State may bring different parts of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 into force on different days.

- Commencement may be general or specific—meaning it can apply to all cases, or only to certain areas, circumstances, or purposes.

- It also allows for transitional, transitory, or saving provisions, which smooth the shift from old law to new law.

This is a standard clause in major Acts of Parliament. It does not create offences, rights, or duties itself; it simply governs when the rest of the Act comes into effect.

came wholly in force at 4.4.2005

The Criminal Justice Act 2003 (Commencement No.8 and Transitional and Saving Provisions) Order 2005

[David1819]

Most of this article is rubbish which is cut and paste from the Campaign Team websites.

Are you saying the Guardian are lying about they themselves consulting the president of the European Council of Legal & Forensic Medicine?

[Cambridgecutie]

Are you saying the Guardian are lying about they themselves consulting the president of the European Council of Legal & Forensic Medicine?

Do you understand the word "most"? 

Why don't you run past Jason Payne-James your theory that AE contaminated the silencer with water from a bucket containing SC's menstrual stained knickers? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Not sure what you mean. Keep your fingers crossed and he may end up like Ian Watkins & Ian Huntley.

I took it to mean clogging up the system?

I wish the media would refrain from putting up images of IH.  Last night I was eating my dinner and up pops IH on the news    Does anyone care if he dies?  Why not just say he had his head caved in with a metal pole and leave it at that.  I suppose there will be some misguided individual out there sending him a 'get well soon' card. 

[BarefootDanC]

Are you saying the Guardian are lying about they themselves consulting the president of the European Council of Legal & Forensic Medicine?

I said much of it not all of it.

[handymanz]

I took it to mean clogging up the system?

I wish the media would refrain from putting up images of IH.  Last night I was eating my dinner and up pops IH on the news    Does anyone care if he dies?  Why not just say he had his head caved in with a metal pole and leave it at that.  I suppose there will be some misguided individual out there sending him a 'get well soon' card.

I suppose it would be pretty tough having to live through it all again, especially if you happen to not live all that far from the locality.

[Cambridgecutie]

I said much of it not all of it.

You said "most" and you are right imo.  The article is littered with inaccuracies.  I will identify just four because I simply cannot be bothered to go though it all:

- The FSS has never commented on the % of the population who share SC's blood groups.  Dr Lincoln for the defence stated 8% of unrelated white British population would be expected to share SC's blood groups.

- Claims JB washed away his "blood splashings" in the nearby North Sea.  Where/when was JB near the North Sea?

- MF estimated the lower wound to SC (not immediately fatal) was within 3 inches of her throat and the upper wound as being a contact shot.

There's not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that JB is innocent but I doubt he will ever receive the justice he deserves as the case is all over the place, very poorly managed, a complete mess and too unwieldy with all sorts of people throwing in their contribution haphazardly.  Its a very sad state of affairs 

[Cambridgecutie]

I suppose it would be pretty tough having to live through it all again, especially if you happen to not live all that far from the locality.

My aversion is nothing compared to the parents having to see/hear about it. 

[BarefootDanC]

You said "most" and you are right imo.  The article is littered with inaccuracies.  I will identify just four because I simply cannot be bothered to go though it all:

- The FSS has never commented on the % of the population who share SC's blood groups.  Dr Lincoln for the defence stated 8% of unrelated white British population would be expected to share SC's blood groups.

- Claims JB washed away his "blood splashings" in the nearby North Sea.  Where/when was JB near the North Sea?

- MF estimated the lower wound to SC (not immediately fatal) was within 3 inches of her throat and the upper wound as being a contact shot.

There's not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that JB is innocent but I doubt he will ever receive the justice he deserves as the case is all over the place, very poorly managed, a complete mess and too unwieldy with all sorts of people throwing in their contribution haphazardly.  Its a very sad state of affairs 

- The FSS has never commented on the % of the population who share SC's blood groups.  Dr Lincoln for the defence stated 8% of unrelated white British population would be expected to share SC's blood groups.

This is a great example. As it says, this is the defence expert who new this before the trial. This is the situation with every single case before DNA.

Theoretically, it could have been 8% of the general population, but for it to be someone else's blood other than Sheila, how did someone else's blood get in??

I realise supporters reading this will be shouting at their computer "it could have been planted" ...

[Cambridgecutie]

- The FSS has never commented on the % of the population who share SC's blood groups.  Dr Lincoln for the defence stated 8% of unrelated white British population would be expected to share SC's blood groups.

Dr Lincoln sent a report to the defence highlighting the 8%.

This is a great example. As it says, this is the defence expert who new this before the trial. This is the situation with every single case before DNA.

There is absolutely no comparison between the type of blood testing undertaken in JB's case during 85/86  and DNA testing.  The former, based on blood serology/serological analysis, is not statistically individualising hence 8% of unrelated white British population would be expected to share the groups supposedly identified in the 'flake'.  The latter, DNA, is statistically individualsing hence it is presented as eg 1 in a billion. 

Theoretically, it could have been 8% of the general population, but for it to be someone else's blood other than Sheila, how did someone else's blood get in??

You are assuming blood got in when all the surrouding evidence suggests it didn't!!

I realise supporters reading this will be shouting at their computer "it could have been planted" ...

As I said you are assuming blood got in!! 

The type of DNA testing undertaken was LCN (low copy number) which is capable of producing a result from a sample as small as a millionth the size of a grain of salt.  There was no conclusive evidence of SC's dna in the silencer.  The judges explained this by suggesting it was all swabbed away for the initial testing.  Really?   

[BarefootDanC]

Put it another way. In 1985/6 and before, there was no DNA testing at all and the only tests which could be carried out on blood was blood grouping.

As the blood could match 8% of the population, what was the point of it in any case?