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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2025, 04:49:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1091.msg33705.html#msg33705

Going by Bamber's WS.

Time spent - around 30 minutes.

Upon arrival June, Sheila and Nevill were in the kitchen. They were talking about options for Sheila. He had something to eat.

Rifle minus silencer and sights loaded to 8-10 bullets as had seen two rabbits outside.

Returned to kitchen after firing no shots. Sheila, June and Nevill were still there. No one seemed distressed.

Magazine and bullets taken out of rifle & left in kitchen.

Rifle left in kitchen.

Neither Nevill or June told him to put rifle, magazine or bullets back in gun cupboard.
It all sounds so plausible, and of course there's no need to lie in relating the summary of his life hitherto. He omits his parents' displeasure at his choice of partner in Sue Ford and June's possible threat of disinheritance. Some points regarding their relationship are broached in the September 1985 interrogations.

"No-one appeared distressed and everyone appeared happy." Again, no reason to embellish or plant seeds of discord before he left for the night, although at some point farm secretary Barbara Wilson telephoned regarding a children's bicycle and related she thought she had interrupted an argument.

There's also the ECG comment about Sheila, which is not on record as therapy she ever received. However, as I say, the statement is measured, Jeremy hasn't lost control, a trait one might think runs through his whole demeanour at least on the exterior. He mentions unnecessarily that he in the "only son" and gets out of the way early on the foreign trips freeloading, later balanced by the long hours he had put in at the farm, though done with a malevolent ulterior motive in mind.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2025, 04:53:PM »
What is not plausible is Bamber leaving the rifle, bullets & a magazine in the kitchen while Nevill & June are there.

He would put it back in the gun cupboard. Or be told to by June or Nevill.

Then neither Nevill or June putting these away although they knew these were there.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2025, 04:55:PM »
Going to shoot rabbits after having something to eat is also not plausible.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2025, 05:00:PM »
What is not plausible is Bamber leaving the rifle, bullets & a magazine in the kitchen while Nevill & June are there.

He would put it back in the gun cupboard. Or be told to by June or Nevill.

Then neither Nevill or June putting these away although they knew these were there.
Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.

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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2025, 05:02:PM »
Going to shoot rabbits after having something to eat is also not possible.

Why?

He had a ham sandwich, not a three course meal and two bottles of wine.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2025, 05:03:PM »
Why?

He had a ham sandwich, not a three course meal and two bottles of wine.

Because the rabbits would have gone.

Have you got a source for the ham sandwich?
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2025, 05:05:PM »
Because the rabbits would have gone.

Have you got a source for the ham sandwich?

Bambers WS.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2025, 05:07:PM »
Bambers WS.

Not the one I put up on this thread.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2025, 05:09:PM »
Was there a lock on the gun cupboard? We are told constantly Nevill was careful about firearms, having been involved in an accident some years back.

CC said there was no lock.

If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2025, 05:14:PM »
CC said there was no lock.

If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?
I don't think they were. Didn't he enquire about getting one from the Eatons? That's always the risk on farms with firearms and mental health issues. Impossible to ban them as was the case after the Dunblane massacre perpetrated by Thomas Hamilton.

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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2025, 06:07:PM »
CC said there was no lock.

If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?

No, all owned by Nevill. Jez never had a firearm certificate.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2025, 06:07:PM »
CC said there was no lock.

If there was, suspect Bamber had a key. Were some of the weapons his?

There was no lock, easy access.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2025, 06:09:PM »
Not the one I put up on this thread.

Have discussed the rabbit story before.

For me him seeing them from a kitchen window relies on it either still being light outside or the grounds being illuminated by a spotlight of some sort.

If it was darkness he would not see rabbits from the kitchen window with the light on inside without the grounds being lit.

But rabbits are invasive to farm crops so not a fanciful story in that sense. But after a 14 hour shift I would want to be getting in my car and going home not undertaking a task at that hour. But we're all different.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2025, 06:21:PM »
Have discussed the rabbit story before.

For me him seeing them from a kitchen window relies on it either still being light outside or the grounds being illuminated by a spotlight of some sort.

If it was darkness he would not see rabbits from the kitchen window with the light on inside without the grounds being lit.

But rabbits are invasive to farm crops so not a fanciful story in that sense. But after a 14 hour shift I would want to be getting in my car and going home not undertaking a task at that hour. But we're all different.

Thought he testified he saw rabbits when walking to WHF. All he would see from the kitchen window at that time would be his own reflection.

Please supply the source he had a ham sandwich.
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Re: Timeline of supper visit:
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2025, 06:35:PM »
Thought he testified he saw rabbits when walking to WHF. All he would see from the kitchen window at that time would be his own reflection.

That is correct. Reference his reflection.

Reference the ham sandwich, one of the books and his 8.8.85 WS references his something to eat. It is on this site.

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