Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Zoso]

Who knows what any of us would say standing in the dock Jane!
Your mind would be all over the place!
Maybe JB was just saying, show me the evidence!

Of course that's what he was saying - it's arrogant!

[Zoso]

No it is not.  It was a post you made yesterday at 12.57pm.

You might want to reassess that.

[Adam]

I have very little interest in what Bamber has to say in relation to his case.  I like to think I listen very carefully to what the experts have to say.  I am sceptical about the FSS for good reason.  Parliament is aware of high profile quality failings at the FSS during the 80's:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm

The FSS was subsequently closed down.

The forensic scientist charged with perverting the course of justice over the Stefan Kiszko case went on to head up FSS Huntingdon at a time when the Bamber exhibits were under examination. 

I know for a fact much of the evidence from the FSS presented at trial is wrong.

Do you think SJ fed Julie information for her WS?.

There is a lot there that she would not have read in the newspapers.

[snow66!]

Looking on the positive side though:

With two massive heating pipes in his cell, he won't freeze to death in winter like poor pensioners, and it's only a cock-stride to the loo should he get caught short in the middle of the night -

You may have a point there Curiosity!

[snow66!]

You continually chuck the baby out with the bathwater!

SOCO seemed to avoid the water in the buckets alltogether Zoso!

[snow66!]

Of course that's what he was saying - it's arrogant!

Well, arrogant or innocent Zoso!

[Jane]

Well, arrogant or innocent Zoso!

Arrogance doesn't lend itself to innocence, especially when all the victims were his family, and two of them small boys.

[ILB]

Looking on the positive side though:

With two massive heating pipes in his cell, he won't freeze to death in winter like poor pensioners, and it's only a cock-stride to the loo should he get caught short in the middle of the night -

Wakefield is a shithole jail to be in, full of nonce's. Although it does have a small minority of mainstream.

Long Lartin prison, where I was with Jeremy was better. But was brutal as well. Norman manning was killed while I was there. Pretty ruthless jail with no VP unit back in the day.

[ILB]

I don't care whether you agree or not.

You're not impartial
One man's crank is another mans 'A Team'
You found him clueless, probably because he wasn't agreeing with you or he just didn't want to discuss the case with you. I didn't find him clueless - far from it.
In what respect (that would affect the case), does he live in the dark ages?
He has a lot more information about his case that we have!
I'm not sure that Jeremy really believes he will ever get out but he has little else to keep himself amused. He knows this case inside and out, he's lived it for almost forty years, day in and day out. It's not just a hobby for him. I might think he's guilty but, I certainly do NOT underestimate him!

He used to have a passion for weightlifting from memory!

[ILB]

Arrogance doesn't lend itself to innocence, especially when all the victims were his family, and two of them small boys.

He is just a supremely confident person which is construed as arrogance to people who meet him. Its just his nature.

[Zoso]

SOCO seemed to avoid the water in the buckets alltogether Zoso!

Maybe they couldn't swim.

[Zoso]

He used to have a passion for weightlifting from memory!

Yes, some years ago now though.

[Cambridgecutie]

Under what circumstances? It's pretty obvious if you read the statement. But that is by the by - he actually states he wanted to clarify, not that he'd been asked to. You're all for other people paying attention to detail but for you, it's not an issue - if it doesn't fit, it doesn't matter!

Most of the statements we have here are typed and unsigned.  We do not know the format/structure of the statement giving/taking.  We know from AE's stat that AP raised the issue of the rifle, sights and silencer upon arriving at Oak Farm circa 11am on 8th Aug.  We know AP phoned Witham about this very subject and spoke with DCI Jones.  We do not know whether DCI Jones then instructed DC Clark at Bourtree to take a further statement from JB or whether JB coincidentally asked to clarify.  It makes sense it was the former.  It matters not.  There's plenty of evidence the subject of the silencer was raised at the latest early on 8th Aug which gave all those who suspected JB from the off the opportunity to consider how incriminating it could be for him if it was used to connect him with soc. 

This is what a witness statement looks like that stands up to scrutiny in terms of date/time/structure/objectives/etc:

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

[Cambridgecutie]

I don't care whether you agree or not.

You're not impartial
One man's crank is another mans 'A Team'
You found him clueless, probably because he wasn't agreeing with you or he just didn't want to discuss the case with you. I didn't find him clueless - far from it.
In what respect (that would affect the case), does he live in the dark ages?
He has a lot more information about his case that we have!
I'm not sure that Jeremy really believes he will ever get out but he has little else to keep himself amused. He knows this case inside and out, he's lived it for almost forty years, day in and day out. It's not just a hobby for him. I might think he's guilty but, I certainly do NOT underestimate him!

He absolutely does not know the case inside out.  How can he when he has been a cat A prisoner for nearly 40 years?  If he did know the case inside out why does he put out rubbish in the media and worse still submit it to the CCRC:

- NB called EP
- 999 call was made from WHF
- Someone in WHF was in communication with EP
- SC was observed in the kitchen
- Police shot SC
- WHF was used as a training exercise
- Bullets swapped
- Just about everyone lied
- More than one silencer
- Claims he had an alibi
- I could go on and with absolute rubbish

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you think SJ fed Julie information for her WS?.

There is a lot there that she would not have read in the newspapers.

Yes.  Its very transparent.