Police Fitting Up Suspects

[snow66!]

Whatever she was taking before her last admission to hospital is moot because Haloperidol was prescribed and was given in injection form. Haloperidol and Anfranil wouldn't be prescribed together because they are BOTH sedatives as is trifluoperazine! Had Sheila took these drugs together, she'd have been even more subdued than reported.

OK, thanks Zoso, got it!

[Curiosity]

Thing is, though, Roch, those who believe him guilty, blame no one but JB, whilst those who support him, blame everyone BUT JB. I think you'd agree with that?

PS. What a difference 40 years make. Where has the good looking, fresh faced Brett Collins with the wonderful hair disappeared to? I couldn't believe it was the same person!!

Where have all the follicles gone, long time passing -

[Bubo bubo]

I find CC's suggestion of SBJ conceiving a plot to help incriminate JB within 72 hours preposterous. Adding blood and paint to the families SM makes no sense since he would also have had to have a plan to overcome JB's entry and exit from a secure WHF. Unless he also had a plan for this  it was a pointless exercise.

[Jane]

Where have all the follicles gone, long time passing -

What a difference a perm makes. Not to mention a bit of bleach!!

[Hardy Boy]

They would accuse uncle Tom Cobley if given half the chance.

nice one Roch, what do you make of TAFF'S timeline at WHF Roch, roughly 25 mins i have it?

[Hardy Boy]

I find CC's suggestion of SBJ conceiving a plot to help incriminate JB within 72 hours preposterous. Adding blood and paint to the families SM makes no sense since he would also have had to have a plan to overcome JB's entry and exit from a secure WHF. Unless he also had a plan for this  it was a pointless exercise.

The Voice of reason, thank you Bubo and Kudos to you, i really mean that, you don't get this from those that think him innocent, it's usually a keep quite even though they think it is preposterous.

[Bubo bubo]

nice one Roch, what do you make of TAFF'S timeline at WHF Roch, roughly 25 mins i have it?

How many times must I tell you that Divisional commander Harris was the SIO. He made the call. He arrived at 07.39 and left with Taff at 09.34. Taff met Harris at 09.05. Taff briefed the SOCO team and other local officers. He would not countermand a senior officers verdict.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1622.0.html

[Jane]

The Voice of reason, thank you Bubo and Kudos to you, i really mean that, you don't get this from those that think him innocent, it's usually a keep quite even though they think it is preposterous.

Mmm? So much for courtesy, eh, HB? Consider yourself well and truly TOLD

[Hardy Boy]

How many times must I tell you that Divisional commander Harris was the SIO. He made the call. He arrived at 07.39 and left with Taff at 09.34. Taff met Harris at 09.05. Taff briefed the SOCO team and other local officers. He would not countermand a senior officers verdict.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1622.0.html

I'm sorry Bubo, i don't agree, you obviously haven't read what i have posted..........Harris never discussed much with TAFF, in fact he is pulled up on this matter.  This is mainly all Harris is pulled over the Coal for?  Harris probably did go around and think it was Murder Suicide, but in fairness to Harris, he never had lower rank officers in his ear like TAFF did who pointed out that it wasn't suicide, TAFF never listened to these officers and he never passed this on to his Seniors.  Taff is  there at the crime scene for 25 mins, and then went, he left them to it and wouldn't listen to anyone, a Major Crime scene like this, not a regular occurance of happening 5 murders in Essex that he's been put in charge off and to oversee  the crime scene is properly dealt with, he actually  does the complete opposite what was expected of him.

Taff, the failure to look at it objectively what Bamber said, the Failure to attend the post Mortem, Failure to request at the scene the Area Detective Suoerintendant........ the Patholigist, Ballistics,a full Fingerprint of the house, told Cook HE didn't want a Full search of the House,  the inquiry warranted a proper command structure, lack of recording of confrences and Policy decisions, FAILURE to update SENIOR officers in relation to the obvious and CONCERN and suspicions of a number of people close to the Bamber Family.  In other words he didin't do his JOB like i said.

[Hardy Boy]

Mmm? So much for courtesy, eh, HB? Consider yourself well and truly TOLD

Doesn't bother me Jane, so long as it's the truth, Me and you and Zoso don't agree on JM role, but we speak against each other without Malice.

[Hardy Boy]

Mmm? So much for courtesy, eh, HB? Consider yourself well and truly TOLD

A major Crime Scene like this Jane and the Guy spends 25 mins looking at it and declares Suicide/murder, it's Bonkers to even suggest he did his Job.  Yet All Bambers Supporters are full of Praise for him, it might be the actions he took that jailed Bamber. 

Taff had the Clout to object to his seniors, he had the authority to Oversee it was looked at Objectively, even if Harris had siad it was what he thought Murder/suicide, TAFF still had the Power to authorise a Patholigist, Bioligist, Ballistics and Fingerprint of the House, he had the Authority to do a full house search, and if he couldn't stand up to his Seniors, he wasn't in the right Job and useless of being in Charge as a Senior crime scene Officer.

I had the responsibillity of being in Charge of a Unit in the Mines, my Undermanager would come and say, i want this doing i want this  doing that Doing,  and if after he had Gone and things wasn't looking or working the way he wanted, i would not hesitate to alter and change the way he wanted, i had no fear from the Undermanager because he had left me to make the decions for him and he would back me. 

When climbed the ranks,  i was on Nights one in three, i had sole responibility for the mine in the Managers abscence, i made the decions in his absence, people are put in this position to make these decions and if you can't make them, your no good at your job.   For Bubo to say, he was hardly going to go against his superiors proves to me, TAFF in my view wasn't good for the Job of overseeing 5 murders at WHF.

[Bubo bubo]

I'm sorry Bubo, i don't agree, you obviously haven't read what i have posted..........Harris never discussed much with TAFF, in fact he is pulled up on this matter.  This is mainly all Harris is pulled over the Coal for?  Harris probably did go around and think it was Murder Suicide, but in fairness to Harris, he never had lower rank officers in his ear like TAFF did who pointed out that it wasn't suicide, TAFF never listened to these officers and he never passed this on to his Seniors.  Taff is  there at the crime scene for 25 mins, and then went, he left them to it and wouldn't listen to anyone, a Major Crime scene like this, not a regular occurance of happening 5 murders in Essex that he's been put in charge off and to oversee  the crime scene is properly dealt with, he actually  does the complete opposite what was expected of him.

Taff, the failure to look at it objectively what Bamber said, the Failure to attend the post Mortem, Failure to request at the scene the Area Detective Superintendent.. the Pathologist, Ballistics full Fingerprint of the house, told Cook HE didn't want a Full search of the House,  the inquiry warranted a proper command structure, lack of recording of conferences and Policy decisions, FAILURE to update SENIOR officers in relation to the obvious and CONCERN and suspicions of a number of people close to the Bamber Family.  In other words he didn't do his JOB like I said.

Do you have evidence to support these contentions or are they your and an other's  opinions? It is a shame that he died before the trial. Others can say what they like without contradiction. It seems to me that they used his so called lack and care of attention to absolve themselves from the 180 degree turn they had to make.

[Hardy Boy]

Do you have evidence to support these contentions or are they your and an other's  opinions? It is a shame that he died before the trial. Others can say what they like without contradiction. It seems to me that they used his so called lack and care of attention to absolve themselves from the 180 degree turn they had to make.

Like i said Bubo, you obviously have not been reading what i posted and evidence,  it's without Queston he was in attendance for a full 25 mins of a Major Crime scene involving 5 DEAD bodies Bubo.  Like i said, he has total charge of the WHF investigation all he has to do, is liase with the people on the Ground, the People who work under him, listen to their concerns and act Accordingly and make the decions based on this information.  Then he Updates the Seniors above him of his actions and what progress they are making, they leave him to it more or less.  I'm not saying senior officers above him are any better, your right in what you say, i think they are absoving themselves because they listened to Taff too much, but when your the Middle man you have to be strong against the guy's above you. 

[Adam]

I find CC's suggestion of SBJ conceiving a plot to help incriminate JB within 72 hours preposterous. Adding blood and paint to the families SM makes no sense since he would also have had to have a plan to overcome JB's entry and exit from a secure WHF. Unless he also had a plan for this  it was a pointless exercise.

That is a good point.

SJ would also need to know how Bamber got to WHF. He would also want to wait until crime scene evidence was processed.

[Adam]

Was SJ in the room when the relatives were with Taff?

Doubt the relatives divulged there feelings to SJ within 48 hours of the massacre. Would be keeping there cards close to there chest.