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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #300 on: August 07, 2024, 10:01:PM »
Serious money was involved.  She crossed the line and thought she would not be found out.  She is very lucky because although JB's team knew what had happened at the time of the 2002 appeal they did not have the proof required and were prevented by a very unsympathetic Court of Appeal from obtaining that proof.  I have posted on this subject before.  What HB has posted about Julie Mugford is very valid.  Whatever your view on the case, she comes out of it very badly indeed.


As I've previously said, numerous times, it was neither her finest moment, nor did she come out of it smelling of roses, BUT I find it very difficult to believe that those whose job it was to look after her best interests, didn't advise her as to what would be the consequences under certain circumstances if the law was contravened. None of them knew what the outcome of the trial would be, and it wasn't Julie's job to know the law. By suggesting "she crossed the line and thought she would not be found out" suggests she may have been warned? However, whilst she may have been many things, stupid wasn't one of them.

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« Reply #301 on: August 07, 2024, 10:13:PM »
A lot since.  The evidence has become available.  She lied.

No documents were signed until the right moment.

Julie's lawyers and the NOTW would know how it worked.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #302 on: August 07, 2024, 10:14:PM »

As I've previously said, numerous times, it was neither her finest moment, nor did she come out of it smelling of roses, BUT I find it very difficult to believe that those whose job it was to look after her best interests, didn't advise her as to what would be the consequences under certain circumstances if the law was contravened. None of them knew what the outcome of the trial would be, and it wasn't Julie's job to know the law. By suggesting "she crossed the line and thought she would not be found out" suggests she may have been warned? However, whilst she may have been many things, stupid wasn't one of them.

I think her solicitor earned a substantial fee out of this and he knew exactly what he was doing.  He comes out of this with no credit whatsoever.  She lied during the trial to the police who asked her questions on behalf of the judge.  She is very lucky indeed that the Court of Appeal judges in 2002 protected her because she could have faced serious consequences.

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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #303 on: August 07, 2024, 10:16:PM »
Its scripted to fuck. For a starters Bamber would just say he would be killing the family, at a push mention his methods. She says stuff like " how he would say goodnight to everybody " Bamber wouldn't say that. It's an add on by Julie or perhaps EP.

Also he

The excellent memory for dates. She would simply just say " he's been talking about it for a while, her recalling Xmas 84 and January 85 whilst maintaining a heavy schedule in her own life and at the same time being " flippant " of what Bamber is saying doesn't reflect the true picture she'd be able to recollect precise dates. Nobody would. Everyone is too wrapped up in their own affairs. Me, you, Mr Jones at number 10. Accept it may have come at prompting from the coppers. But it's not a true picture of what Julie is remembering.

'Goodnight to everybody'?

Julie's WS will have specific dates and general times. As anyone's WS would when covering the previous 18 months.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #304 on: August 07, 2024, 10:21:PM »
No documents were signed until the right moment.

Julie's lawyers and the NOTW would know how it worked.

You are wrong on this.  There was a concluded binding contract and JM knew about it and agreed it.  She lied about it during the trial.  She did that in order to protect herself and in order to receive a life changing sum of money. She nearly got exposed for this in 2002.


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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #305 on: August 07, 2024, 10:26:PM »
Its scripted to fuck. For a starters Bamber would just say he would be killing the family, at a push mention his methods. She says stuff like " how he would say goodnight to everybody " Bamber wouldn't say that. It's an add on by Julie or perhaps EP.

Also he

The excellent memory for dates. She would simply just say " he's been talking about it for a while, her recalling Xmas 84 and January 85 whilst maintaining a heavy schedule in her own life and at the same time being " flippant " of what Bamber is saying doesn't reflect the true picture she'd be able to recollect precise dates. Nobody would. Everyone is too wrapped up in their own affairs. Me, you, Mr Jones at number 10. Accept it may have come at prompting from the coppers. But it's not a true picture of what Julie is remembering.
It's possible because all through those last months he was keeping up appearances in front of everyone, following his return from the round the world trip. He even managed to fool Nevill, who told John Seward he was pleased that his son was finally shaping up to farming.

But we know subsequently that his motive was to align with the terms of Nevill's will, and not from some genuine interest in the agricultural industry. It appears Jeremy managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, save farm secretary Barbara Wilson, who speculated that there was an ulterior motive in everything he did.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #306 on: August 07, 2024, 10:31:PM »
Julie does mention several specific dates after the massacre.

This is not surprising as it was just recalling the last 30 days.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #307 on: August 07, 2024, 10:35:PM »
You are wrong on this.  There was a concluded binding contract and JM knew about it and agreed it.  She lied about it during the trial.  She did that in order to protect herself and in order to receive a life changing sum of money. She nearly got exposed for this in 2002.
I assume the relevant documents are held under PII? In any case, £25,000 even in 1985 was not really a life-changing sum of money. Jeremy Bamber's £436,000 certainly was.

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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #308 on: August 07, 2024, 10:40:PM »
I have posted about this many times over the years.  There was a concluded contract pre verdict (in fact I believe before the start of the trial) and JM lied about it during the trial. This is serious.

If she lied about this, what else has she lied about?

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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #309 on: August 07, 2024, 10:48:PM »
'Goodnight to everybody'?

Julie's WS will have specific dates and general times. As anyone's WS would when covering the previous 18 months.

So do you believe she kept a detailed log prior to 7.8.85?

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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #310 on: August 07, 2024, 10:49:PM »
Julie does mention several specific dates after the massacre.

This is not surprising as it was just recalling the last 30 days.

It's just one paragraph.

Will go through the rest tomorrow at some point.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #311 on: August 07, 2024, 10:55:PM »
At best she's a jilted bird who was lucky she didn't get the clink with Jez.
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #312 on: August 07, 2024, 11:02:PM »
So do you believe she kept a detailed log prior to 7.8.85?

Didn't need to.

A 23 page WS covering the previous 18 months will have specific dates - 27th August 1985 and  rough dates - Christmas 1984.

Besides didn't she have a diary?
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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #313 on: August 07, 2024, 11:04:PM »
At best she's a jilted bird who was lucky she didn't get the clink with Jez.
No, she had moved on post-murders, was steadfast in her loyalty, which worked to her detriment, until finally she was able to extricate herself from a monster.

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Re: Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?
« Reply #314 on: August 07, 2024, 11:05:PM »
Didn't need to.

A 23 page WS covering the previous 18 months will have specific dates - 27th August 1985 and  rough dates - Christmas 1984.

Besides didn't she have a diary?

Yes, with an initial entry January 1985 which then went to August 85 with Stans blessing perhaps
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