ICJ ruling on South Africa's case alleging genocide by Israel-What happens next?

[gringo]

     The ICJ have delivered their preliminary ruling on the case brought by South Africa against Israel. The court has ruled that there is a case to answer and have ordered measures that must be taken by Israel in order to prevent/stop the genocide. All military operations ordered to be stopped and any countries aiding the operations to also stop. Any countries who fail to comply with the order will also be complicit in genocide, as ruled by the ICJ. As signatories to the Genocide Convention, the Zionists and their criminal sponsors are now in a sticky position. Are they to become international pariahs acting in defiance of the International Court of Justice and therefore the UN? or will they comply?
     We all know the answer, but that defiance will come at huge cost with consequences for those countries in defiance(Israel, US, UK France? and others?). This is a very significant ruling which will reverberate around the world. If the West/Israel/NATO ignore the ruling, any and all moral authority they have ever claimed is exposed as the lie and sham it always was.
     

[Hardy Boy]

     The ICJ have delivered their preliminary ruling on the case brought by South Africa against Israel. The court has ruled that there is a case to answer and have ordered measures that must be taken by Israel in order to prevent/stop the genocide. All military operations ordered to be stopped and any countries aiding the operations to also stop. Any countries who fail to comply with the order will also be complicit in genocide, as ruled by the ICJ. As signatories to the Genocide Convention, the Zionists and their criminal sponsors are now in a sticky position. Are they to become international pariahs acting in defiance of the International Court of Justice and therefore the UN? or will they comply?
     We all know the answer, but that defiance will come at huge cost with consequences for those countries in defiance(Israel, US, UK France? and others?). This is a very significant ruling which will reverberate around the world. If the West/Israel/NATO ignore the ruling, any and all moral authority they have ever claimed is exposed as the lie and sham it always was.
   

To me Gringo nothing makes sense anymore, i don't think anything is fit for Purpose, both the UN or The ICJ.  I admit my knowledge on such matters arising in the Middle East is nowhere near the level of some on here yourself included.......... But, you have got Russia attacking Ukraine or vice versa as some would put it, yov'e just had Hamas attack Israel and now vice versa, Iran just launched a missile into Pakistan and now vice versa, wev'e got the Houthi rebels firing at will any Ship that passes through the Red Sea, nothing is fit for Purpose anymore, why should the West/Israel/Nato adhere to anything when other Countries don't Adhere?

[Steve_uk]

     The ICJ have delivered their preliminary ruling on the case brought by South Africa against Israel. The court has ruled that there is a case to answer and have ordered measures that must be taken by Israel in order to prevent/stop the genocide. All military operations ordered to be stopped and any countries aiding the operations to also stop. Any countries who fail to comply with the order will also be complicit in genocide, as ruled by the ICJ. As signatories to the Genocide Convention, the Zionists and their criminal sponsors are now in a sticky position. Are they to become international pariahs acting in defiance of the International Court of Justice and therefore the UN? or will they comply?
     We all know the answer, but that defiance will come at huge cost with consequences for those countries in defiance(Israel, US, UK France? and others?). This is a very significant ruling which will reverberate around the world. If the West/Israel/NATO ignore the ruling, any and all moral authority they have ever claimed is exposed as the lie and sham it always was.
   

Doesn't Russia have a case to answer too? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/vladimir-putin-war-crimes-icc-arrest-warrant-ukraine-children

[gringo]

     The ICJ have delivered their preliminary ruling on the case brought by South Africa against Israel. The court has ruled that there is a case to answer and have ordered measures that must be taken by Israel in order to prevent/stop the genocide. All military operations ordered to be stopped and any countries aiding the operations to also stop. Any countries who fail to comply with the order will also be complicit in genocide, as ruled by the ICJ. As signatories to the Genocide Convention, the Zionists and their criminal sponsors are now in a sticky position. Are they to become international pariahs acting in defiance of the International Court of Justice and therefore the UN? or will they comply?
     We all know the answer, but that defiance will come at huge cost with consequences for those countries in defiance(Israel, US, UK France? and others?). This is a very significant ruling which will reverberate around the world. If the West/Israel/NATO ignore the ruling, any and all moral authority they have ever claimed is exposed as the lie and sham it always was.
   

     Sorry for that "mis-information". The ICJ have yet to deliver the preliminary findings of the South African case alleging that the Israeli state is in breach of the Genocide Convention. Below is the video of the lead judge of the ICJ reading out the measures being sought by south Africa. It was posted as the judgement being delivered rather than the readout of the measures being immediately sought. Just over 4 minutes long, it is woth watching to see the extent that US/UK et al will also be affected. The West cannot possibly claim any moral authority if they are to openly ignore the ICJ. Options become available for other countries to act should the ICJ find in SA's favour. Watch the rewading of measures sought below. Ignore the ICJ delivers verdict headline;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q965Efc-OI0&t=12s

      Would NATO/Israel dare to attack aid ships and convoys acting with the backing of an ICJ ruling on an active genocide?
      South Africa's case was forensic in getting to the heart of intent, the most difficult aspect to prove of a genocide case. Using Israeli official statements and targeted killings after those statements, they put an iron cast case.
      No matter how much pressure(blackmail, open threats) is being put on the ICJ judges, I expect the ruling to go against Israel.
     

[Steve_uk]

     Sorry for that "mis-information". The ICJ have yet to deliver the preliminary findings of the South African case alleging that the Israeli state is in breach of the Genocide Convention. Below is the video of the lead judge of the ICJ reading out the measures being sought by south Africa. It was posted as the judgement being delivered rather than the readout of the measures being immediately sought. Just over 4 minutes long, it is woth watching to see the extent that US/UK et al will also be affected. The West cannot possibly claim any moral authority if they are to openly ignore the ICJ. Options become available for other countries to act should the ICJ find in SA's favour. Watch the rewading of measures sought below. Ignore the ICJ delivers verdict headline;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q965Efc-OI0&t=12s

      Would NATO/Israel dare to attack aid ships and convoys acting with the backing of an ICJ ruling on an active genocide?
      South Africa's case was forensic in getting to the heart of intent, the most difficult aspect to prove of a genocide case. Using Israeli official statements and targeted killings after those statements, they put an iron cast case.
      No matter how much pressure(blackmail, open threats) is being put on the ICJ judges, I expect the ruling to go against Israel.
   

It probably will. I wonder how many ordinary Gazans were complicit in the October 7 murder of 1200 Israeli citizens?  https://freebeacon.com/national-security/gazan-civilians-involved-in-every-stage-of-hamas-hostage-scheme-released-israelis-reveal/

[gringo]

It probably will. I wonder how many ordinary Gazans were complicit in the October 7 murder of 1200 Israeli citizens?  https://freebeacon.com/national-security/gazan-civilians-involved-in-every-stage-of-hamas-hostage-scheme-released-israelis-reveal/

   Why do you expect the ICJ will find Israel guilty of genocide?
     Do you ever wonder how many journalists have been killed by Hamas? IDF?
     What about UN humanitarian staff killed by Hamas? IDF?
     You ought to wonder why you are supporting a state that stands accused and you expect to be found guilty of the crime of genocide by the ICJ. How many health workers have Hamas deliberately targeted and killed? How about the IDF? The Zionists are finished, Steve. They have zero chance of "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians or Hamas from Palestine. They are in fact the greatest recruiting tool that movements such as Hamas could ever have.
     Once this is over and the Palestinians are still there, Israel and its supporters will stand as international pariahs. The US will not be able to remain in West Asia/Middle East for much longer. The US are gradually being forced out, their presence being made "unsustainable". Without western military presence in the Middle East, the Zionists are finished.
     Your complete disregard of the clear genocide and ethnic cleansing being carried out by the Ethno supremacists and their western sponsors in Palestine in front of the world says a lot about you. And now you wonder how many "ordinary Gazans were complicit". I suppose you have to have some "justification", however weak, to openly support the clear crimes against humanity of the Zionist regime, their western sponsors(UK, US) and the IDF.
     

[gringo]

To me Gringo nothing makes sense anymore, i don't think anything is fit for Purpose, both the UN or The ICJ.  I admit my knowledge on such matters arising in the Middle East is nowhere near the level of some on here yourself included.......... But, you have got Russia attacking Ukraine or vice versa as some would put it, yov'e just had Hamas attack Israel and now vice versa, Iran just launched a missile into Pakistan and now vice versa, wev'e got the Houthi rebels firing at will any Ship that passes through the Red Sea, nothing is fit for Purpose anymore, why should the West/Israel/Nato adhere to anything when other Countries don't Adhere?

     To take just one of those issues that "makes no sense", HB, and attempt to make sense of it. The Iran/Pakistan imbroglio exposes and hints at other motives.
     Who was bombed in Pakistan by Iran?
     Who was bombed "in response" by Pakistan in Iran?
     The answers to the above two questions reveal much and beg many more questions.
     In both cases it was Balochi separatists that were bombed. Balochis are used and sponsored, much like the Kurds, to stir up trouble in countries that Empire has targeted. Pakistan is heavily infiltrated by western intel agencies, this is no secret. It is what led to the ousting of Imran Khan.
     So to sum up. Iran bombed "separatists" who are nothing more than western sponsored agitators who are a problem to themselves and Pakistan, in Pakistan. Had Iran attacked the "separatists" within their own borders, there would have been a chorus of "bombing their own citizens, human rights abuses etc" from the usual suspects(UK, US, EU, NATO et al). The same applies to Pakistan.
     A cynic could be led into believing that a bit of "mutual back scratching" just took place. Make all the correct diplomatic noises for plausible denialibility. Pakistan is deeply infiltrated by CIA but they are not the only players in the game. I think that Pakistan and Iran did a spot of mutual "in-house" cleaning rather than being on the brink of war.

[Hardy Boy]

     To take just one of those issues that "makes no sense", HB, and attempt to make sense of it. The Iran/Pakistan imbroglio exposes and hints at other motives.
     Who was bombed in Pakistan by Iran?
     Who was bombed "in response" by Pakistan in Iran?
     The answers to the above two questions reveal much and beg many more questions.
     In both cases it was Balochi separatists that were bombed. Balochis are used and sponsored, much like the Kurds, to stir up trouble in countries that Empire has targeted. Pakistan is heavily infiltrated by western intel agencies, this is no secret. It is what led to the ousting of Imran Khan.
     So to sum up. Iran bombed "separatists" who are nothing more than western sponsored agitators who are a problem to themselves and Pakistan, in Pakistan. Had Iran attacked the "separatists" within their own borders, there would have been a chorus of "bombing their own citizens, human rights abuses etc" from the usual suspects(UK, US, EU, NATO et al). The same applies to Pakistan.
     A cynic could be led into believing that a bit of "mutual back scratching" just took place. Make all the correct diplomatic noises for plausible denialibility. Pakistan is deeply infiltrated by CIA but they are not the only players in the game. I think that Pakistan and Iran did a spot of mutual "in-house" cleaning rather than being on the brink of war.

Thanks Gringo, i do believe that due to how Israel are now conducting themselves, that the USA and UK etc are now starting to distance themselves a little, and are putting pressure on Israel?  Taking asside my knowledge of the Middle East, my initial gut reaction came from the horrible 7th of October attack and the taking of hostiges, i do hope with all my heart a solution can be found and both Countries can live in Peace.

[Steve_uk]

   Why do you expect the ICJ will find Israel guilty of genocide?
     Do you ever wonder how many journalists have been killed by Hamas? IDF?
     What about UN humanitarian staff killed by Hamas? IDF?
     You ought to wonder why you are supporting a state that stands accused and you expect to be found guilty of the crime of genocide by the ICJ. How many health workers have Hamas deliberately targeted and killed? How about the IDF? The Zionists are finished, Steve. They have zero chance of "ethnically cleansing" the Palestinians or Hamas from Palestine. They are in fact the greatest recruiting tool that movements such as Hamas could ever have.
     Once this is over and the Palestinians are still there, Israel and its supporters will stand as international pariahs. The US will not be able to remain in West Asia/Middle East for much longer. The US are gradually being forced out, their presence being made "unsustainable". Without western military presence in the Middle East, the Zionists are finished.
     Your complete disregard of the clear genocide and ethnic cleansing being carried out by the Ethno supremacists and their western sponsors in Palestine in front of the world says a lot about you. And now you wonder how many "ordinary Gazans were complicit". I suppose you have to have some "justification", however weak, to openly support the clear crimes against humanity of the Zionist regime, their western sponsors(UK, US) and the IDF.
     

It's not about establishing a Palestinian state. Hamas and their ilk want the lot. When you begin to grasp that you will understand why a two-state solution is now impossible.

[gringo]

It's not about establishing a Palestinian state. Hamas and their ilk want the lot. When you begin to grasp that you will understand why a two-state solution is now impossible.

    I don't think a two state solution is possible. One state, one person, one vote. European Zionist Jewish supremacists are the issue, Steve, hence their current imbroglio with the ICJ on the small matter of committing genocide, which you expect to go against them. What you refuse to grasp, is that Israel are an occupying power and that the Palestinians are occupied. It ends soon.
      You overlook way too much history and are way out of your depth in your pathetic attempts to whitewash western and Zionist war crimes which you simply ignore. Your latest gambit, blaming what you call "ordinary Gazans", in order to excuse/ignore the clear crimes against humanity being committed by your pet colonialists is low even for you, but to be expected.
     

[Roch]

The US and UK are pathetic. Announcing disappointment in  Netenyahu, knowing full well that Israel's plans do not involve a two state solution and never will. They, and their lapdog media are treating people as if we are stupid beyond belief.

Even by some miracle, there was the slightest hope of a two state solution, it died when the Palestinian death toll reached  a certain level.  Only the annihilation of the Israeli far right could result in there being a two state solution. Literally their deaths.
 

[gringo]

     To take just one of those issues that "makes no sense", HB, and attempt to make sense of it. The Iran/Pakistan imbroglio exposes and hints at other motives.
     Who was bombed in Pakistan by Iran?
     Who was bombed "in response" by Pakistan in Iran?
     The answers to the above two questions reveal much and beg many more questions.
     In both cases it was Balochi separatists that were bombed. Balochis are used and sponsored, much like the Kurds, to stir up trouble in countries that Empire has targeted. Pakistan is heavily infiltrated by western intel agencies, this is no secret. It is what led to the ousting of Imran Khan.
     So to sum up. Iran bombed "separatists" who are nothing more than western sponsored agitators who are a problem to themselves and Pakistan, in Pakistan. Had Iran attacked the "separatists" within their own borders, there would have been a chorus of "bombing their own citizens, human rights abuses etc" from the usual suspects(UK, US, EU, NATO et al). The same applies to Pakistan.
    A cynic could be led into believing that a bit of "mutual back scratching" just took place. Make all the correct diplomatic noises for plausible denialibility. Pakistan is deeply infiltrated by CIA but they are not the only players in the game. I think that Pakistan and Iran did a spot of mutual "in-house" cleaning rather than being on the brink of war.

   And right on cue;

https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1749374974102470934

"The ambassadors of Iran and Pakistan will return to their respective embassies by 26 January

Pakistan has also invited Iran's foreign minister to visit the country"

     I think that it is now safe to say that a bunch of "US assets" in the border regions of Pakistan/Iran just got taken out. Recalling their ambassadors for a matter of days followed by high level invites. There never was any dispute between Iran/Pakistan, just some theatre with the side effect of destroying US assets and the US with no way of responding.

[Steve_uk]

    I don't think a two state solution is possible. One state, one person, one vote. European Zionist Jewish supremacists are the issue, Steve, hence their current imbroglio with the ICJ on the small matter of committing genocide, which you expect to go against them. What you refuse to grasp, is that Israel are an occupying power and that the Palestinians are occupied. It ends soon.
      You overlook way too much history and are way out of your depth in your pathetic attempts to whitewash western and Zionist war crimes which you simply ignore. Your latest gambit, blaming what you call "ordinary Gazans", in order to excuse/ignore the clear crimes against humanity being committed by your pet colonialists is low even for you, but to be expected.
     

Well we have something in common at least.

Israel left Gaza in 2005.

I overlook history? The Jews have been in the Holy Land for 3500 years, millennia before Islam was ever founded.

[gringo]

     ICJ to deliver its order on provisional measures on Friday at 1pm

https://twitter.com/CIJ_ICJ/status/1750206652295303313

     Here are the provisional measures being requested again;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q965Efc-OI0&t=12s

     


     

[gringo]

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

     Link to the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the crime of Genocide" referred to in the, "Provisional measures being requested" video linked earlier