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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2023, 07:25:PM »
mossad are supposed to be the best spys in the world i find it hard to belive they dont hae agents in gazza who woul of told o any plannedd attack theres also the fact gazza has been blockaded for god knows how long so how did they get all those weapons

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« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2023, 07:42:PM »
The Egyptians have claimed they warned Netenyahu 10 days beforehand and he didn't seem that arsed about it. 

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2023, 09:28:AM »
Whoever was behind the actions of Yigal Amir has a lot to answer for.  Since then the kind of people running Israel have been like Sachs Baron Cohen's parody of an Israeli General.

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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2023, 04:58:PM »
Whoever was behind the actions of Yigal Amir has a lot to answer for.  Since then the kind of people running Israel have been like Sachs Baron Cohen's parody of an Israeli General.
Let's take a step back in history, as your post suggests. Yasser Arafat was offered 92% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, a bridge connecting the two territories and custodianship of a capital in East Jerusalem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

It looks like the current situation will be a million inhabitants of north Gaza forced to move southwards, or face the backlash.
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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2023, 07:42:PM »
A BRICS peace plan for Israel and Gaza, but not for Ukraine. https://youtu.be/PDYB1mTWiSY

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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2023, 09:46:PM »
isreals own paper afmits it  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1jvaEg1iw

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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2023, 11:33:PM »
Let's take a step back in history, as your post suggests. Yasser Arafat was offered 92% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza, a bridge connecting the two territories and custodianship of a capital in East Jerusalem. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

It looks like the current situation will be a million inhabitants of north Gaza forced to move southwards, or face the backlash.
    You need to take several more steps and view with more objectivity than you are currently doing. You constantly make extremely bold statements that are laughable distortions and misrepresentations of the facts they are tenuously connected to. They are also stripped of any context or nuance.
     The step back in history that Roch suggested is a relevant reference point. As Roch obviously knows but you failed to consider, Yigal Amir is the Zionist terrorist who murdered the PM of Israel at the time, Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.
      The repeated misrepresentation of Yasser Arafat being responsible for the current plight of the Palestinians is such an egregious lie that it must be corrected. Your timeline starts and ends in 2000 and is anyway a lie. The real timeline starts a few years prior to Rabin's assassination and the agreements that he made with Arafat as head of the PLO. The success of Arafat led to the sponsoring and creation of Hamas by Israel, as Nugs has referenced. You would learn something if you read the link below. I will anyway copy the most relevant parts as the following post;

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasser-Arafat/From-agreement-to-the-second-intifadah

     https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasser-Arafat/From-agreement-to-the-second-intifadah

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2023, 11:50:PM »
In July 2000 Clinton convened a summit at Camp David in northern Maryland, where the historic Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt had been negotiated in 1978. The aim was to find a final agreement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict after five years of Palestinian self-rule. The summit was hastily prepared, however, and, since the most contentious issues—the question of the right of return for Palestinian refugees, control of Jerusalem, borders, and Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip—were being discussed for the first time, it was unlikely that these sensitive and complex matters would be resolved quickly. From the beginning, Arafat was suspicious of the summit and its timing, and although some progress was made, in the end there was no final settlement.

Negotiations continued after the failure at Camp David, but a visit by Likud leader Ariel Sharon to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in September 2000 sparked the second intifada, and the dwindling talks ground to a halt. A spiral of harsh repression by the Israeli army and violence by different armed Palestinian groups subsequently led to both sides’ total loss of confidence in the peace process. In spite of the January 2001 negotiations at Taba, Egypt, which were held independently of the United States and made important progress, the Barak government lost the February 2001 general elections and Sharon—a strong opponent of both the Oslo Accords and the creation of a Palestinian state—was elected prime minister. “We have no partner for peace” was once more the general sentiment of many Israeli political parties.

Arafat lost much of his diplomatic credibility with the West after the election of U.S. Pres. George W. Bush in November 2000 and the launch of the “war on terror” in 2001, which followed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. In 2001, following suicide attacks in Israel that Sharon blamed Arafat for instigating, Arafat was confined by Israel to his headquarters in Ramallah. In October 2004 Arafat fell ill and was transported to Paris for medical treatment, where he died the following month. Fatah later passed a unanimous resolution that held Israel responsible for Arafat’s death.

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Many of Arafat’s supporters doubted that he had died a natural death, their suspicions being fueled in part by the doctors’ inability to identify the origin of his illness and the lack of an autopsy, and rumours circulated that he had died from poisoning. These suspicions surfaced again in July 2012 when a Swiss laboratory announced that it had discovered elevated levels of polonium-210 on some of Arafat’s clothes and personal belongings. French prosecutors launched a murder investigation later that year in response to a request by Arafat’s widow. In November 2012 Arafat’s remains were exhumed so that teams of Swiss, Russian, and French experts could test for signs of poisoning.

The results of the separate investigations, released in late 2013, were contradictory. The Russian report was released first and found no traces of polonium-210. The Swiss and French results both found abnormally high levels of polonium-210 but disagreed on how it got into his remains: the Swiss study concluded that poisoning could not be ruled out, while the French study concluded that the presence of polonium-210 could be explained as environmental in origin.

No report went without controversy, moreover. There were claims of outright interference in the Russian investigation, including claims that the Russian scientists were instructed on what the outcome should be. The Swiss report cited a number of intervening factors that effected uncertainty in the interpretation of the results, including the length of time since the death and the incomplete “chain of custody” of Arafat’s clothes and belongings studied in the earlier investigation. Palestinian officials and Arafat’s widow dismissed the French conclusions as “politicized.”

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2023, 12:28:AM »
       An excellent article about the subject from the excellent Patrick Cockburn from 2013. Worth a read for some historical context;
https://www.unz.com/pcockburn/was-yasser-arafat-murdered-lethal-levels-of-polonium-found-in-body-of-palestinian-leader/

     Polonium 210. Hmmm! So Zionists have form for using polonium 210 as an assassination technique. Raises a few questions around the Litvinenko assassination to enquiring minds. Spraying "undetectable poisons" in attempted assassinations previously in Jordan. Raises questions around the Skripals horseshit put out by the UK government to enquiring minds.
     The current unequivocal support for planned and announced war crimes, ie. the attempted and threatened complete ethnic cleansing of the civilian population of Gaza by Israel via collective punishment by bombing and complete cutting off of energy, water, food etc., to be followed by the forced displacement of 2 million people. The mask is off completely now.
     It is all desperation and lashing out at the hopelessness of the situation for the West and the Zionists. One way or another the question posed at the start of the thread will be answered. It appears that Nasrallah is correct. The world, outside of the apologists for NATO and their annex in Occupied Palestine, are utterly revolted by the openly genocidal actions and talk from the West. The colonialists and Imperialists are about to be washed away by the tide of history.

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Re: Occupied Palestine- Is Nasrallah correct?
« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2023, 03:14:PM »
     It is said that a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on. More accurately- a litany of lies upon lies made its way around the western hemisphere. The majority of the world have always known the truth of the Zionist Terror state but lacked the collective strength to do anything.
     Now 75 years on and the truth is suited, booted and on the march. Isn'tReal, the bastard child of MI6 and international finance midwifed by Zionist genocidal terrorists.
     Born by and from terror 1948. Died by and from terror 2023. 

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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2023, 03:38:PM »
     It is said that a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on. More accurately- a litany of lies upon lies made its way around the western hemisphere. The majority of the world have always known the truth of the Zionist Terror state but lacked the collective strength to do anything.
     Now 75 years on and the truth is suited, booted and on the march. Isn'tReal, the bastard child of MI6 and international finance midwifed by Zionist genocidal terrorists.
     Born by and from terror 1948. Died by and from terror 2023.
..and what was the intention of several Arab states on 14 May 1948 when they attacked Tel Aviv? https://youtu.be/6stb6sVITbM