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I thought it would be  good idea to make this easily accessible for all members.

Barry Parker.

Michael Horsnell.

June Bamber.

Freddie Emani.

Carol Ann Lee.

Tora Tompkinson.

Multiple side effects of Haloperiodal .

Pamela Boutflour.

Roger Wilkes.

Jeremy Bamber WS.

Julie Mugford WS.

Sheila having no other injuries.

Bamber having no injuries. 

Sheila being shot in Bamber's chosen location.
[`Sheila' did not sleep in her own bed at all at any stage between supper time on the evening of the 6th and the raid team forcibly entering the farmhouse at 7.30am the following morning, 7th August 1985]
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All of these relate to hours before or after the massacre.

The exception being Toro Tompkinson, which was a week earlier.
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In my view Sheila did not wake & get up during the downstairs kitchen fight.

However if she did, the evidence shows she put up no/minimal resistance when faced with Bamber.

[`Sheila' did not sleep in her own bed at all at any stage between supper time on the evening of the 6th and the raid team forcibly entering the farmhouse at 7.30am the following morning, 7th August 1985]
« Last Edit: April 02, 2022, 06:01:AM by mike tesko »
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As previously said Bamber was going ahead regardless & had stolen June's bike as part of the preparation.

The suggestion a fully alert Sheila may have 'scratched or punched him' was not a deterrent. Besides which after he saw Sheila's condition around 3 hours beforehand he knew that was very unlikely. 

There is no evidence of any bruises or scratches on Bamber.
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One thing we know Bamber is telling the truth about, was that he saw Sheila at supper.

Sheila was still up & downstairs after Bamber had left & she spoke to PB on the phone. 

[`Sheila' did not sleep in her own bed at all at any stage between supper time on the evening of the 6th and the raid team forcibly entering the farmhouse at 7.30am the following morning, 7th August 1985]

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As my previous thread states, there is no counter evidence Sheila was alert, coordinated & aggressive just before the massacre.

[`Sheila' was alert enough to take hold of the telephone handset and listen to 'Aunty Pamela' at around 10.00pm, on the 6th August 1985. She was co-ordinated enough to give the handset back to 'June Bamber' and then rather abruptly leave the kitchen,  which caused 'June' to tell 'Pamela' that 'Sheila' had 'gone to bed']

Supporters quote things from years earlier to support a murder/suicide. One of them only witnessed by Bamber.
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As previously said Bamber was going ahead regardless & had stolen June's bike as part of the preparation.

The suggestion a fully alert Sheila may have 'scratched or punched him' was not a deterrent. Besides which after he saw Sheila's condition around 3 hours beforehand he knew that was very unlikely. 

There is no evidence of any bruises or scratches on Bamber.

The main advantage of the thread post for guilters, is that it rules Sheila out as a suspect.

Partly because her condition made Bamber's job easier. 

But mainly because it confirms she did not have the mental & physical capabilities to commit the massacre.
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`Sheila' did not sleep in her own bed at all at any stage between supper time on the evening of the 6th and the raid team forcibly entering the farmhouse at 7.30am the following morning, 7th August 1985]

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I can't agree with that Mike. But good to get different views.

[`Essex police' who attended the incident, including members of the firearm officers who entered the premises, stated that it 'appeared that' both 'Sheila' and 'June' had been sat up in bed, bible reading! So, was 'Sheila' in her own bed, in her own bedroom, whereas 'June was in bed in the main bedroom, and each of them with a bible in their possession, reciting chapter and verse to one another!
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Adam I think you're missing something here. Could a docile, uncoordinated Adam, with low levels of cannabis in his system control a bunch of fully fit supporters? He would be virtually a zombie. I think it's unlikely.

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both 'Sheila' and 'June' had been sat up in bed, bible reading! 

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I wonder how they worked that out Mike.

Sheila & June were found on the bedroom floor.
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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2022, 11:30:AM »
Where is your evidence that Sheila was " docile/ uncoordinated ? Because others said so ??

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2022, 11:58:AM »
I thought it would be  good idea to make this easily accessible for all members.

Barry Parker.

Michael Horsnell.

June Bamber.

Carol Ann Lee.

Tora Tompkinson.

Multiple side effects of Haloperiodal .

Pamela Boutflour.

Roger Wilkes.

Jeremy Bamber WS.

Julie Mugford WS.

Sheila having no other injuries.

Bamber having no injuries. 

Sheila being shot in Bamber's chosen location.
[`Sheila' did not sleep in her own bed at all at any stage between supper time on the evening of the 6th and the raid team forcibly entering the farmhouse at 7.30am the following morning, 7th August 1985]
Good day Adam,you've had a busy night.Well let us go through each point and see how they hold up.Ok ,Batty Parker the shop keeper,talks of strange behaviour and recoiling at the sight of the lipstick.He does not mention Sheila walking funny or acting like a zombie,just her lack of interest in the twins buing their trainers,so nothing here to suggest she was tired and docile.Michael Horsnell-acted like a zombie and did not even turn her head,but you wouldnt need to turn your head unless you were distracted by something,and in her withdrawn state would have little interest in anything around her to bother taking notice of.Again no evidence of being docile.June Bamber-is this the phone call to Pam? She spoke of Sheila having no interest in the twins or anything else,she did not say Sheila that Sheila was either weak,docile or ina confused state,only withdrawn which is an entirely different thing.Carol Ann Lee-Interviewed the likes of Tora Tompkinson,who helped convince her Sheila was innocent,but remember Tora was a close friend of Sheila and would not believe she could carry out the crimes no matter what.Tora Tompkinson-could not get up,but does not elaborate too much about it,no real biggie.Multiple side effects of Haloperidol-no conclusive evidence of any,except tiredness.No evidence she was docile or confused the night of the slaughter,only withdrawn.Pamela Boutflower-zombie,from some unknown source,did someone say Colin Caffell? Roger Wilkes-no idea,never seen his book.Jeremy Bamber-Only said Sheila did not contribute to the discussion about fostering.Denied in a 2013 letter that he had ever seen Sheila in such docile state that others suggest.Julie-Well as always,depends who is telling the truth.And remember anything Julie knew about Sheila was not witnessed by herself,anything she knew was second hand information,be it from JB or anyone else.Sheila having no other injuries-not nessesary if she ambushed the others,wounding them before finishing them off without much of a struggle,although Mike and others say she had many defencive wounds and possibly wounds inflicted on her back.Bamber having no injuries-Well of course he wouldnt have injuries if he wasnt involved in the massacre.Sheila being shot in Bambers chosen location-Where Sheila was shot proves nothing,it dosent tell us if Bamber led her there or if she decided to lie down there herself and pull the trigger.So over all Adam i dont think you have much compelling evidence that Sheila was severely weak,tired,docile and confused that night.Not by what the witnesses said or by what the Doctors involved testified to.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2022, 12:15:PM »
Oh and Sheila walked down to the field of rape to see Jeremy with the twins.How far away was the field? And there was no mention from JB that she was acting like a zombie and walking strangely.All he said was that they chatted for about ten minutes.Yet it was later on that same day that Michael Horsnell observed the zombie behaviour.I would say it probably depended which of the witnesses believed Jb was guilty and how much they were possibly goaded into exaggerating what they had seen of heard.

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2022, 01:35:PM »
Coordination-we are told Sheila couldnt even open a tin of baked beans.Could she cook? What was she eating while she lived on her own? We are told the autopsy showed she was well nourished.Was she really that hopeless at looking after herself?And as i have said,Sheila rolled numerous joints while talking to Helen Grimster the day after she was discharged from hospita, having newly received her Haloperidol injection. So just how clumsy and uncoordinated was she.by the effects of the Haloperidol?

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Re: Evidence Sheila was docile/uncoordinated just before being shot:
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2022, 01:38:PM »
Or is this just another myth to prove she did not have the dexterity to load and use the rifle?