Liklihood of Sheila resisting during the massacre:

[lookout]

Julie said Bamber told her Sheila was shot last.

He's not going to lead her into the main bedroom with Nevill & June still alive.

So who told Julie ?

[Adam]

So who told Julie ?

Bamber.

[lookout]

Bamber.

But you don't believe him ? So why should you believe this ?

[Adam]

But you don't believe him ? So why should you believe this ?

I believe Julie. Anyway it is common sense Sheila would be shot last.

[lookout]

I believe Julie. Anyway it is common sense Sheila would be shot last.

It's not common sense at all. Why is it  and why, if she was last, didn't she manage to phone the police when the aggressor was either upstairs or downstairs ?

[Jane]

It's not common sense at all. Why is it  and why, if she was last, didn't she manage to phone the police when the aggressor was either upstairs or downstairs ?

Having killed others first, it stands to reason that the killer, if it's their intention, will be the last to die. I think it also follows that if another shooter is planning to make the tableau look like murder/suicide, they'll leave the 'suicide' till last.

A cool, calm, and collected Sheila isn't how I see her under any circumstances, even less if she's psychotic. If she's not, why might she be concerned about doing anything when she knew, from experience, that Nevill could take care of any problem. Of course, if she knew he was already dead, I don't think she'd have known what to do. She'd never had to act as a responsible adult in her life -possibly that was part of her problem?- she'd never had to/ been allowed to grow up. She'd always had Nevill and June for support. Whether, or not, she'd have cared to admit it, I doubt she could have survived without them. Perhaps that why she may have died 'easily'?

[Adam]

It's not common sense at all. Why is it  and why, if she was last, didn't she manage to phone the police when the aggressor was either upstairs or downstairs ?

Do you believe Bamber should have lead Sheila into the main bedroom first. Which would have woken Nevill and June?

[lookout]

Having killed others first, it stands to reason that the killer, if it's their intention, will be the last to die. I think it also follows that if another shooter is planning to make the tableau look like murder/suicide, they'll leave the 'suicide' till last.

A cool, calm, and collected Sheila isn't how I see her under any circumstances, even less if she's psychotic. If she's not, why might she be concerned about doing anything when she knew, from experience, that Nevill could take care of any problem. Of course, if she knew he was already dead, I don't think she'd have known what to do. She'd never had to act as a responsible adult in her life -possibly that was part of her problem?- she'd never had to/ been allowed to grow up. She'd always had Nevill and June for support. Whether, or not, she'd have cared to admit it, I doubt she could have survived without them. Perhaps that why she may have died 'easily'?

In a planned killing it's usual for everyone to die at the same time, but that wasn't so in this crime as killings were sporadic between the parents, then finally Sheila which tells me that nobody else was involved in the murders, so it was neither planned nor a contract murder but a sudden and spontaneous one with Sheila being granted her wish to remain with her boys.

 

[Jane]

In a planned killing it's usual for everyone to die at the same time, but that wasn't so in this crime as killings were sporadic between the parents, then finally Sheila which tells me that nobody else was involved in the murders, so it was neither planned nor a contract murder but a sudden and spontaneous one with Sheila being granted her wish to remain with her boys.

In a planned killing -more so when more than one victim is planned- the killer can never guarantee, other than in their fantasy of how it will play out, how it will work. The only way round that would be to herd everyone into the same room and execute them as the Russians did to their Imperial family.

[Adam]

In a planned killing it's usual for everyone to die at the same time, but that wasn't so in this crime as killings were sporadic between the parents, then finally Sheila which tells me that nobody else was involved in the murders, so it was neither planned nor a contract murder but a sudden and spontaneous one with Sheila being granted her wish to remain with her boys.

Everyone did. In around a ten minute time period.

[lookout]

Everyone did. In around a ten minute time period.

And that's what you believe ? Just compare the pic. of Nevill to the one of Sheila and tell me that they both died at the same time

[Jane]

And that's what you believe ? Just compare the pic. of Nevill to the one of Sheila and tell me that they both died at the same time

I don't believe anyone here thinks they died "at the same time" of even moments apart. The killer had to move from floor to floor. As for appearances, one was face down, the other was face up, and neither picture has high degrees of clarity.

[snow66!]

It's not common sense at all. Why is it  and why, if she was last, didn't she manage to phone the police when the aggressor was either upstairs or downstairs ?

Because the guilters want you to believe the massacre was silent,Lookout.Nothing to stir Sheila before it was her turn.No audible gun shots,no barking from crispie ,no screams or shouting,no sounds of feet thumping on the floor or anything knocked over,no creaking floor boards running up and down stairs.It was like a major shooting incident with the volume turned down,and when it was Sheilas turn,she was led to the bedroom,said -hi mum- as she passed her mothers blood strewn body,sat down and said-ok Jeremy,ready when you are-.Now does that clarify things for you Lookout.Simple and extremely logical.Ha ha!

[Jane]

Because the guilters want you to believe the massacre was silent,Lookout.Nothing to stir Sheila before it was her turn.No audible gun shots,no barking from crispie ,no screams or shouting,no sounds of feet thumping on the floor or anything knocked over,no creaking floor boards running up and down stairs.It was like a major shooting incident with the volume turned down,and when it was Sheilas turn,she was led to the bedroom,said -hi mum- as she passed her mothers blood strewn body,sat down and said-ok Jeremy,ready when you are-.Now does that clarify things for you Lookout.Simple and extremely logical.Ha ha!

I can't speak for others, but whilst I can't imagine the massacre to have been carried out in TOTAL silence, I don't think there's have been much more than "What's happening", "What are you doing?", "Put that gun down" from Nevill, and maybe "Jeremy, No. Please don't do this" from June. I think there's have been some talking from JB because I believe he'd have wanted them to know why he was doing it.

So what, if there was noise? Who was there to hear? The house stand alone. The walls are thick. Floors, other than kitchen and scullery, carpeted. Carpets, soft furnishings, absorb sound. There's no house close enough for anyone to have heard raised voices, in any case.

I have no idea why you seem to find it amusing.

[snow66!]

I can't speak for others, but whilst I can't imagine the massacre to have been carried out in TOTAL silence, I don't think there's have been much more than "What's happening", "What are you doing?", "Put that gun down" from Nevill, and maybe "Jeremy, No. Please don't do this" from June. I think there's have been some talking from JB because I believe he'd have wanted them to know why he was doing it.

So what, if there was noise? Who was there to hear? The house stand alone. The walls are thick. Floors, other than kitchen and scullery, carpeted. Carpets, soft furnishings, absorb sound. There's no house close enough for anyone to have heard raised voices, in any case.

I have no idea why you seem to find it amusing.

Hi Jane,how are you today.Maybe i didnt make it clear.The amusing part isnt the fact that no one heard anything at the nearest farm,its the fact Sheila didnt hear anything a few feet away.