Liklihood of Sheila resisting during the massacre:

[Adam]

It's been confirmed that Bamber was going ahead with the massacre. Regardless of Sheila's condition beforehand.

He only had a 4 evening window of opportunity & would have been confident of controlling Sheila after killing the other four people.

With Sheila as the only alive person left, the evidence shows it is very unlikely she put up any worthy resistance.

Her Haloperiodal had made her very docile that evening.

Bamber & PB have said she was very non responsive. Not responding to fostering conversations & allowing June to take the phone off her after just saying 'yes/no' for 3 minutes.

Neither Sheila or Bamber had any injuries. 

[guest29835]

You have no evidence that Haloperidol made her docile that evening.

[Adam]

You have no evidence that Haloperidol made her docile that evening.

Bamber & PB have said she was very non responsive. Not responding to fostering conversations & allowing June to take the phone off her after just saying 'yes/no' for 3 minutes.

Neither Sheila or Bamber had any injuries. 

[Adam]

As said, Bamber was going ahead regardless of Sheila's condition beforehand.

The fact that he rang Julie when getting home suggests Sheila's condition had made him more confident.

[guest29835]

Again, I will repeat what I have just said.  It bears repeating, because you are not keeping to the evidence.

There is no evidence that Sheila was sedated that evening.

There is no evidence that Sheila was docile that evening.

She may have been these things.  I accept it is possible.  But these things cannot be asserted as fact. 

It may be that Important People With Lots Of Letters After Their Names mention the word 'sedation' here and there in official documents and that catches your eye.  It still doesn't mean she was sedated. 

[Adam]

Again, I will repeat what I have just said.  It bears repeating, because you are not keeping to the evidence.

There is no evidence that Sheila was sedated that evening.

There is no evidence that Sheila was docile that evening.

She may have been these things.  I accept it is possible.  But these things cannot be asserted as fact. 

It may be that Important People With Lots Of Letters After Their Names mention the word 'sedation' here and there in official documents and that catches your eye.  It still doesn't mean she was sedated.

The evidence is -

Bamber had no injuries.

Sheila had no injuries.

Sheila did not respond to fostering conversations. A few hours earlier.

Sheila spent 3 minutes just saying 'yes/no' on the phone. A few hours earlier.

June took the phone off Sheila. A few hours earlier.

Bamber rang Julie to say 'it's now or never' after monitoring Sheila.

Sheila was on Haloperidal which has many side effects. Sedative effects being one of them.

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Not sure what else can be supplied.

[guest29835]

The evidence is -

Bamber had no injuries.

Sheila had no injuries.

Sheila did not respond to fostering conversations. A few hours earlier.

Sheila spent 3 minutes just saying 'yes/no' on the phone.

June took the phone off Sheila.

Bamber rang Julie to say 'it's now or never' after monitoring Sheila.

Sheila was on Haloperidal which has many side effects. Sedative effects being one of them.

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Not sure what else can be supplied.

It doesn't seem to be sinking in, so let me repeat it:

There is no evidence that Sheila was sedated.  You have no evidence whatever that this was the case.

This is important because the pro-guilt side assert it as fact when it isn't.  The fact that lots of highly-qualified and eminent people may think she was sedated doesn't mean she was.  Highly-qualified and eminent people get things wrong and put innocent people in prison.

[Adam]

Anyway Bamber would have been successful against a fully alert Sheila. For obvious reasons.

[Steve_uk]

You have no evidence that Haloperidol made her docile that evening.

At Maida Vale she would be unable to get Daniel and Nicholas off to school in time, not because she was lazy but due to the side-effects of the medication. She requested a reduced dosage herself. When in those final months Colin had de facto care and control Sheila made an attempt at entertaining the twins at weekends, which they cherished. Looking after the children full-time was simply beyond her, which made her tired out those last couple of days. She would have recognized she needed help, which makes Jeremy's invented story on adoption al the more incredible.

[Steve_uk]

It doesn't seem to be sinking in, so let me repeat it:

There is no evidence that Sheila was sedated.  You have no evidence whatever that this was the case.

This is important because the pro-guilt side assert it as fact when it isn't.  The fact that lots of highly-qualified and eminent people may think she was sedated doesn't mean she was.  Highly-qualified and eminent people get things wrong and put innocent people in prison.

We have the evidence of Auntie Pam's telephone conversation, who claimed that her niece was like a zombie.

[snow66!]

Anyway Bamber would have been successful against a fully alert Sheila. For obvious reasons.

I would like to hear those reasons Adam.

[Adam]

It doesn't seem to be sinking in, so let me repeat it:

There is no evidence that Sheila was sedated.  You have no evidence whatever that this was the case.

This is important because the pro-guilt side assert it as fact when it isn't.  The fact that lots of highly-qualified and eminent people may think she was sedated doesn't mean she was.  Highly-qualified and eminent people get things wrong and put innocent people in prison.

I have just posted 7 points which support Sheila put up no or minimal resistance.

Who is mentioning sedation?  There are dozens of side effects of Haloperiodal. Sedative effects being one of them.

[lookout]

Anyway Bamber would have been successful against a fully alert Sheila. For obvious reasons.

A " fully alert Sheila " as you quoted, would have torn JB to shreds had it been him who killed her children.
Where were his injuries from 3 adults ?

[Adam]

I would like to hear those reasons Adam.

I feel another thread coming on.

Do you agree from the evidence that Sheila put up no/minimal resistance?

[snow66!]

We have the evidence of Auntie Pam's telephone conversation, who claimed that her niece was like a zombie.

The statement that i read,simply said Sheila was acting oddly and that June wanted to have a discussion about her.I think lack of interest was spoken about ,but i dont think the word  Zombie was used Steve.And June would not have requested to see Pam simply to tell her that Sheila was drowsy and lethargic.She hints it was Sheilas odd behaviour she was worrying aboutand wanted to discuss.Dont you think so Steve?