Nevill's location for his first two close range face shots.

[guest29835]

Nevill's two face shots and two torso shots were inflicted in the bedroom.

I believe your scenario does not cohere with the pathological evidence of Dr. Vanezis.  I recommend you re-read Dr. Vanezis' evidence before commenting further in this vein.

My own Jeremy scenario does - broadly - accord with Dr. Vanezis' evidence.

[Adam]

I believe your scenario does not cohere with the pathological evidence of Dr. Vanezis.  I recommend you re-read Dr. Vanezis' evidence before commenting further in this vein.

My own Jeremy scenario does - broadly - accord with Dr. Vanezis' evidence.

Well the evidence shows Bamber fired 9 bullets from Junes side of the bed -

5 into June.

2 face shots into Nevill.

2 torso shots into Nevill.

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The rifle with silencer & Bambers arms was long enough to get within inches of Nevill's face. If he was in or close to the bed.

None of this supports Nevill being in bed long enough to drip blood onto the bed sheets. 

[lookout]

Only the shots to Sheila were upwards out of the 3 adults---said Professor Knight.

[Adam]

The rifle with silencer & Bamber's arms was not long enough to get inches away from Nevill's torso. After Nevill retreated backwards.

Resulting in the 2 torso shots being from 'feet away'.

[guest29835]

Well the evidence shows Bamber fired 9 bullets from Junes side of the bed -

5 into June.

2 face shots into Nevill.

2 torso shots into Nevill.

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The rifle with silencer & Bambers arms was long enough to get within inches of Nevill's face. If he was in or close to the bed.

None of this supports Nevill being in bed long enough to drip blood onto the bed sheets.

Adam,

This is comical.  If I was pro-prosecution or a member of the family, I would be furious with you right now.  You don't know the evidence and you are bluffing and making it up as you go along.  You have got away with it now for a good few years, as has Steve, but I'm not a bluffer and it's harder to get this rubbish past me.

Your scenario does not accord with the facts and evidence available, and you are weakening the prosecution case every time you post on here.

I also must say that I think it was rather a cheek of you and Cambridgecutie to be coming on here pompously lecturing to me about 'studying the evidence'.  Neither of you seem to be familiar with the most basic of the facts.

For now, I will leave it there.  I don't have passive investments, so I have work to do. 

Needless to say, you, Steve and Cambridgecutie should not interpret a non-response from me as any concession to your usual rubbish, lies and slander.

I do not say Jeremy is innocent - that is not my position and I am not a supporter of child killers - but it does seem that this case is not nearly as certain as people like you are trying to make out, and it is just possible that an innocent man has been imprisoned for nearly four decades.  That is why I raise doubts and look for weaknesses, because locking up innocent people is an unacceptable risk that must never be taken, if we can help it.

[David1819]

I believe your scenario does not cohere with the pathological evidence of Dr. Vanezis.  I recommend you re-read Dr. Vanezis' evidence before commenting further in this vein.

Re-read? What makes you think he has read it in the first place?

[Adam]

Adam,

This is comical.  If I was pro-prosecution or a member of the family, I would be furious with you right now.  You don't know the evidence and you are bluffing and making it up as you go along.  You have got away with it now for a good few years, as has Steve, but I'm not a bluffer and it's harder to get this rubbish past me.

Your scenario does not accord with the facts and evidence available, and you are weakening the prosecution case every time you post on here.

I also must say that I think it was rather a cheek of you and Cambridgecutie to be coming on here pompously lecturing to me about 'studying the evidence'.  Neither of you seem to be familiar with the most basic of the facts.

For now, I will leave it there.  I don't have passive investments, so I have work to do. 

Needless to say, you, Steve and Cambridgecutie should not interpret a non-response from me as any concession to your usual rubbish, lies and slander.

I do not say Jeremy is innocent - that is not my position and I am not a supporter of child killers - but it does seem that this case is not nearly as certain as people like you are trying to make out, and it is just possible that an innocent man has been imprisoned for nearly four decades.  That is why I raise doubts and look for weaknesses, because locking up innocent people is an unacceptable risk that must never be taken, if we can help it.

QC,

As said above -

Well the evidence shows Bamber fired 9 bullets from Junes side of the bed -

5 into June.

2 face shots into Nevill.

2 torso shots into Nevill.

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The rifle with silencer & Bambers arms was long enough to get within inches of Nevill's face. If he was in or close to the bed.

None of this supports Nevill being in bed long enough to drip blood onto the bed sheets.

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Not sure what else I can do than give a scenario which matches the crime scene.

[Adam]

It is strange that people don't accept a straight forward scenario which matches the crime scene evidence.

QC asks lots of questions & tries to create obstacles. All are easy to answer and have been.

His two main points are -

There was no blood on Nevill's side of the bed. 

Nevill fled from a shooting Bamber.

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Point 1 has been answered in the thread post.

[Adam]

'Nevill fled from a shooting Bamber.'

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I don't believe supporters have ever come up with this before. It is pretty obvious why Nevill would flea.

However both Rob & QC have brought it up. So it will have to be answered.

QC will of course kick & scream. In his opinion Nevill & Bamber would fight upstairs. Although the evidence shows otherwise.

[Adam]

Interesting I believe QC, Rob & David have Nevill fleeing from a shooting Sheila.

After Nevill had allowed Sheila to fire two shots into his face. From inches away!

This was after Nevill had rang Bamber & the police because he couldn't handle the situation!

However a just awake Nevill in his bed attire would instantly confront a shooting Bamber & not flea. 

[Adam]

Be good if QC, David & Rob could explain how Sheila was able to shoot a fully fit Nevill twice in the face. From inches away.

It is crime scene evidence.

How Bamber managed it has been explained in detail in the thread post. 

[Rob_]

Interesting I believe QC, Rob & David have Nevill fleeing from a shooting Sheila.

After Nevill had allowed Sheila to fire two shots into his face. From inches away!

This was after Nevill had rang Bamber & the police because he couldn't handle the situation!

However a just awake Nevill in his bed attire would instantly confront a shooting Bamber & not flea.

If you quote me Adam at least get it right please, I have Nevil backing away after he realises he is too late and has been shot several times.

Why can't Nevil be in pajamas downstairs? is that not where the shower is?

Can you explain which bullet cases correspond to the shots fired at Nevil in the bedroom? The bullet cases throw forward and right several feet I believe, so shots from inches away with the shooter on Junes side of the bed would have the cases either on Nevil's side of the bed or maybe on the floor on his side?

[Munksa]

Be good if QC, David & Rob could explain how Sheila was able to shoot a fully fit Nevill twice in the face. From inches away.

It is crime scene evidence.

How Bamber managed it has been explained in detail in the thread post.

HAHA Adam you are nuts...

Makes me laugh when you say QC, David, Rob....

Or

Lookout, Jackie ...

You do wind them up!

Why do you have Bamber's photo? Asking 2nd time 😁

[guest29835]

HAHA Adam you are nuts...

Makes me laugh when you say QC, David, Rob....

Or

Lookout, Jackie ...

You do wind them up!

Why do you have Bamber's photo? Asking 2nd time 😁

Fake Justice: Unmasked - that should be the title of a documentary.

[guest29835]

QC,

As said above -

Well the evidence shows Bamber fired 9 bullets from Junes side of the bed -

5 into June.

2 face shots into Nevill.

2 torso shots into Nevill.

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The rifle with silencer & Bambers arms was long enough to get within inches of Nevill's face. If he was in or close to the bed.

None of this supports Nevill being in bed long enough to drip blood onto the bed sheets.

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Not sure what else I can do than give a scenario which matches the crime scene.

You are welcome to your opinion, suit yourself, but scenarios need to accord with the evidence.  Cambridge Numpty keeps telling us that we shouldn't question the pathologist.  OK, well I have given you a Jeremy scenario that broadly accords with the pathologist's evidence.  It is not a perfect scenario.  No scenario can be perfect or flawless, as we cannot know for sure what occurred, but my scenario is evidence-based.

Your scenario, Adam, does not accord with the pathological evidence.  You only have to read the pathologist's evidence, which is available on this Forum.

I'm not sure what else needs to be said.  You can carry on pasting the Forum with your posts and accusing me of not having read the evidence, but you're just making yourself look a nutter.