Nevill's call to Bamber. What was Sheila doing?

[ngb1066]

No problem.  I enjoyed that.  The Forum at its best.

You seem knowledgeable as well on the fitness front.  I've let things slip - too much time on here and a certain astronomy forum, plus reading books and chess!  Need to take your advice and get fit again.

Which Astronomy forum?

[Rob_]

We have several keen chess players on the forum.  Maybe we should organise a tournament!

Yes! I used to play a lot, been a while since I used ChessBase.

[Rob_]

The thread poll question was what was Sheila doing 'while' Nevill was phoning Bamber. And waiting for an answer. Which would have been a process lasting several minutes.

QC & Lookout believe Sheila was in the kitchen with Nevill. Sheila calm enough to let Nevill phone Bamber.

Lookout believes Sheila was holding the rifle at 'Nevill's ear'. Which suggests Sheila demanded Nevill phone Bamber. Lookout does not say why.

QC believes Nevill phoned Bamber at 3am to 'stall' her. Although it's likely to agitate her more.

The guilters scenario is full of gaping holes Adam I wish you would also address these? Nevil was not the only one regarding Sheila to call for help when she went into a rage.

[Rob_]

Which Astronomy forum?

I am very keen on Astrophotography, but get very little time doing it due to work, last shot M51.

[ngb1066]

I am very keen on Astrophotography, but get very little time doing it due to work, last shot M51.

That is really interesting.  I want to get into imaging - I am looking into the right combination of equipment.

Astronomy and chess have frequently been combined interests.  They have been for me since school days.

 

[Rob_]

That is really interesting.  I want to get into imaging - I am looking into the right combination of equipment.

Astronomy and chess have frequently been combined interests.  They have been for me since school days.

With Astrophotography it's best to decide on your budget and keep to it, as it can be a very expensive hobby. But you can still get fab images from very basic equipment so don't have to spend a fortune.

[Adam]

The guilters scenario is full of gaping holes Adam I wish you would also address these? Nevil was not the only one regarding Sheila to call for help when she went into a rage.

What holes? My scenario follows and matches the crime scene evidence.

[killingeve]

A point from the other side of this:

Let me ask you, Real Justice, and anybody else interested, a hypothetical question.  Let's say you are awoken at 3 a.m. (or whatever time it was) by a phone call.  Would you be able to recall word-for-word what was said?  Even 10 minutes later, could you recall it?

I have to be honest and say that I think I would struggle and I'm impressed by Jeremy's feat of memory, as well as his ability to bounce out of bed at all hours.

I am sorry to say that Jeremy's ability to recall what Nevill told him with some precision does lend itself to the impression that the call never actually happened and Jeremy was reading from a script when he spoke to PC West and has been reading a script ever since.

I would have found it more plausible if he bluntly admitted that he couldn't remember exactly what was said and what he was reporting was just a representation of the call's theme - i.e. "My dad said Sheila was carrying on, he mentioned a rifle, and told me I needed to come over right away".

But I don't say I know.  I draw no firm conclusions.  Really, only Jeremy knows if he took that call because there is no independent technological way to corroborate either that he did or didn't.  If we're honest, we have to admit that.

Bamber has never claimed his father asked him to come over hence he tried to call back to establish what he wanted him to do. 

[guest7363]

No problem.  I enjoyed that.  The Forum at its best.

You seem knowledgeable as well on the fitness front.  I've let things slip - too much time on here and a certain astronomy forum, plus reading books and chess!  Need to take your advice and get fit again.

Im sure you can do it QC, I’ve personally never felt better and fitter.  It took a while, but you know from experience once you get into exercise and it becomes more than a habit, feeding it becomes pleasurable and rewarding, I’ve been out since 6.30 this morning and got back at 7.45, I’ll be out shortly doing another 22 miles.  Astronomy is something I’ve always fancied but never attempted.  Chess I play everyday, but not against other players for the time being, I’ve taken time out from that.
Anyway back to the topic, maybe we can pick up on these hobbies on another thread later, I’d love to hear about Astronomy.

[guest29835]

Bamber has never claimed his father asked him to come over hence he tried to call back to establish what he wanted him to do.

From paragraph 7 of the 2002 appeal judgment:

7. The police were first alerted that something out of the ordinary had occurred when they received a telephone call from the appellant. The call was logged at 3.36 a.m. but there was evidence that made clear that it must have been at least 10 minutes earlier. The caller was the appellant and having given his name and address he said:

"You've got to help me. My father has rang me and said "Please come over. Your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun." Then the line went dead."

Source: http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[guest7363]

From paragraph 7 of the 2002 appeal judgment:

Source: http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Mmm it’s strange really and something I’ve never noticed, in his statement he never mentions it, yet I’ve always thought it and quite sure I’d seen it, I’ve been looking myself, nice find QC.

[guest29835]

Mmm it’s strange really and something I’ve never noticed, in his statement he never mentions it, yet I’ve always thought it and quite sure I’d seen it, I’ve been looking myself, nice find QC.

Arguing over what Nevill may or may not have said to him over the phone is, in my view, a fool's errand - for the reasons given earlier in the thread.  He could easily have been lying about it and still be innocent.  I see that in his statement given on 7th. August 1985, he gave more of a summary of what was said, which sounds more plausible than how he reported it later.  I appreciate that he doesn't say in so many words that his father told him to come over, and it could be that he didn't and this partly caused Jeremy's uncertainty and confusion as to what to do.  We'll never know and I doubt Jeremy could even remember what Nevill told him minutes after he took the call - if there was such a call.

[killingeve]

From paragraph 7 of the 2002 appeal judgment:

Source: http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Why did he try and call back then and not just go straight over as requested?

[guest29835]

Why did he try and call back then and not just go straight over as requested?

Well if that's what he did, I can only assume it is because the call was terminated abruptly, so that would be the natural thing to do, in any event.

But as stated above, arguing about this is a fool's errand, in my view.  I doubt even Jeremy himself knows what was said - assuming he took a call at all.

[killingeve]

Arguing over what Nevill may or may not have said to him over the phone is, in my view, a fool's errand - for the reasons given earlier in the thread.  He could easily have been lying about it and still be innocent.  I see that in his statement given on 7th. August 1985, he gave more of a summary of what was said, which sounds more plausible than how he reported it later.  I appreciate that he doesn't say in so many words that his father told him to come over, and it could be that he didn't and this partly caused Jeremy's uncertainty and confusion as to what to do.  We'll never know and I doubt Jeremy could even remember minutes after he took the call - if there was such a call.

Have you listened to the Daily Mirror's audio recording of Bamber explaining his actions on the night after he claims he received a telephone call from his father?