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« Reply #150 on: September 21, 2020, 04:31:PM »
Could you point to the post where I made that statement please?  I know that is not what I said and that was not the context of the post, so shortly I will again start calling you a liar.

You are a terrible hypocrite and bare-faced liar, Steve.

On the other hand, every time you come on here you dig a bigger hole for Julie Smerchanski or Colin Caffell.  I couldn't think of a poor advocate for their cause.

Possibly referring to this post?

That's reassuring, thanks David.  In fact, now you mention it, I think Adam is due a vasectomy.

It's good that we have this diverse expertise on the Forum.


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« Reply #151 on: September 22, 2020, 06:12:PM »





The spilt bullets wouldn't have looked like that after JB had left for home as his father would have seen to that. That would have been done by Sheila as she loaded the rifle, piece-meal. An empty box of them was found in the bedroom as Colin had said in his book. Sheila didn't have pockets, evidently.
Actually Lookout, he says that is where and how he left them.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5816.0;attach=37833



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« Reply #152 on: September 22, 2020, 06:52:PM »
Actually Lookout, he says that’s is  where and how he left them.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5816.0;attach=37833





I sensed that JB appeared quite nervous as he'd asked not to be shown any photo's of the deceased while being shown where the cartridges were. Shouldn't that particular area have been fingerprinted ? Box and cartridges ?

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« Reply #153 on: September 22, 2020, 06:59:PM »




I sensed that JB appeared quite nervous as he'd asked not to be shown any photo's of the deceased while being shown where the cartridges were. Shouldn't that particular area have been fingerprinted ? Box and cartridges ?
Didn’t matter if Jeremy’s was on them because he’d put them there, at the time they thought Sheila had done it, I agree they should have printed for Sheila, but we all know they read the crime scene wrong.

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« Reply #154 on: September 22, 2020, 07:24:PM »
Didn’t matter if Jeremy’s was on them because he’d put them there, at the time they thought Sheila had done it, I agree they should have printed for Sheila, but we all know they read the crime scene wrong.





As well as others who worked on the farm.

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« Reply #155 on: September 23, 2020, 09:48:PM »




As well as others who worked on the farm.
Who do you mean Lookout?  Other workers that needed fingerprinting?

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« Reply #156 on: September 23, 2020, 09:51:PM »
Who do you mean Lookout?  Other workers that needed fingerprinting?
I think I read where it would have took about two to three days to do a fingerprint test of the whole house?  Again this was down to Taff Surely?

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« Reply #157 on: September 24, 2020, 08:53:AM »
I think I read where it would have took about two to three days to do a fingerprint test of the whole house?  Again this was down to Taff Surely?

Why would fingerprinting have been considered? It was four murders and a suicide -the suicide being dead in the house- certainly until the day of the funerals, when the local television news, nine days after the murders, named Sheila as the culprit. Whatever the thoughts of individual police, lowly pc's couldn't override their superior -and it's very certain that Taff wouldn't have considered anyone else's opinion- and order fingerprinting.

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« Reply #158 on: September 24, 2020, 09:01:AM »
Why would fingerprinting have been considered? It was four murders and a suicide -the suicide being dead in the house- certainly until the day of the funerals, when the local television news, nine days after the murders, named Sheila as the culprit. Whatever the thoughts of individual police, lowly pc's couldn't override their superior -and it's very certain that Taff wouldn't have considered anyone else's opinion- and order fingerprinting.
I have to agree Jane, Jeremy wasn’t a suspect or anyone else for that matter. 

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« Reply #159 on: September 24, 2020, 11:26:AM »
Having just been re-reading some of the case files relating to the question regarding whether or not, the the. 22 semi-automatic Anshuzt rifle would fit in the gun cupboard with its telescopic sites fitted, along with its Parker hale silencer attached to the end of the guns barrel, and its clear Jeremy meant that, the rifle with its telescopic site, the and silencer both fitted to the weapon that 'THE RIFLE, SO CONFIGURED WOULD NOT FIT INSIDE ITS GUN COVER INSIDE THE GUN CUPBOARD'. Hence, why there is no photograph of of the fully equipped rifle (telescopic site, and silencer)  zipped inside its gun cover, and inside the gun cupboard...

The photograph taken by the police, (below) is rather misleading!

If you look closely at the position of the rifle, you can police had to lean it in an unnatural position. Based on my close observation of how the police placed that rifle in there, the I would say to those who have been claiming that Jeremy lied regarding whether or not, the rifle fully equipped with its accessories would fit into the gun cupboard, and this police photograph shows that it doesn't fit properly in there. The Police had to manipulate the rifle, and effectively forcing the weapon into that part of the gun cupboard...

And, then of course, there is the matter of 'the gun case'  which belonged to that rifle. 22 What happened to it?  This 'gun case'  was purchased along with the gun, and silencer, telescopic site, and 500 rounds of. 22 Eley subsonic hollow point rounds, and at the back end of November 1984. Why didn't the police wonder what had happened to it?  Why was 'the gun case' missing from the scene on the morning of the shootings?  Did somebody remove the 'gun case'  belonging to the Anshuzt rifle, and that morning, and or let's say on the penultimate of week-end beforehand?  We already know that Anthony Pargeters 'Brno' . 22 bolt action rifle was either 'not present'  at the crime scene by the time police first entered the farmhouse, between 9.00pm at around 7.30am, that morning, and or 'it was'  present. 'If present' then why is there disagreement, amongst, Anthony Pargeter, Essex police, CPS and Jeremy Bamber as to its whereabouts at the material time?  Irrespective, and of whether Anthony Pargeter taking home his 'Brno'  rifle on the penultimate week-end, and or for that Matter, if 'the police had found it'  or 'recovered it' at the crime scene, 2007 what are the chances of it having been carried off and taken away in 'THE Anshuzt rifles gun case..

Or, if did somebody take away a second rifle used at the time of the shootings, or before, or at around the time police first arrived (03.48am) at the incident...

It suggests to me, and that there is a common link, which is in the fact that Anthony Pargeters 'Brno'  rifle has 'problematic connotations', as does, the absent 'gun case'  belonging to 'the Anshuzt rifle', and the inconsistencies surrounding exactly how many shots were fired at the time of the shootings?  How come, the the ballistics expert, the Macolm Fletcher, and could only link 15 crime scene bullets ( from 25),or that some of them were described as 'a. 22 bullet', whilst others, is a were described as '. 22 LR bullets'?  Is it really just a coincidence that only '25 spent cartridge cases'  were found or recovered from the scene, and yet we now know with certainty, that at least 27 shots were fired during the shootings, and with a fair chance that as many as 28 shots had been fired?  Where are the missing 2/3 spent cartridge cases belong to items 'DRH/35' (two loose bullets recovered from a lower pillow on the parents bed),  and or, the single bullet that was not recovered from the skull of Nicholas Caffell but had apparently 'exited his body', after 'entering it'. How come the loose bullet which e iged the head of Nicolas Caffell was never found or recovered from anywhere in the children's bedroom, but a matching spent cartridge case 'was'?  By the time the case came to trial cops had got 25 bullets and 25 sent cartridge casings, so which accorded in number with a total of 25 bullet entry wounds to the five victims - but how are the two loose bullets 'DRH/35', and the missing bullet not recovered from anywhere in the children's bedroom, and or from the child's body during autopsy?  Suddenly, there are 26, 27, or as many as 28 bullets that were fired during the shootings, and yet only 25 (x2). 22 type spent cartridge cases. 22, that's three bullet cases that are 'missing' or 'unaccounted' for, and more importantly,  one bullet absent, and never found or recovered from either the crime scene or the victims body...

None of the 25 in rime scene bullets, and were matched to any of the batch of what turned out to be 25 spent cartridge cases, which by reference to crimping marks made at the time of manufacture, or traces of gun powder residue...

Only...

The fact that item 'MDF/100' which contains 14 of the original batch of crime scene ammunition (spent bullet casings) is still being retained at Huntingdon Forensic Lab', 2007 previously undisclosed evidence which were fired by a second weapon that was used during the shootings. The firing pin mark, and extractor of the claw markings on each of these 14 bullet casings, do not match similar markings that were made (10 shots) which had been fired and ejected via use of the. 22 semi-automatic Anshuzt rifle (plus, the all important 'missing', and the 'unrecovered' exit wound bullet applicable to the child victim, 'Nicholas Caffell' , and the 'whereabouts', of 'its spent cartridge case'..
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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #160 on: September 24, 2020, 01:15:PM »
Who do you mean Lookout?  Other workers that needed fingerprinting?





Others who'd leave their prints if/ when using the rifle. There was an unconfirmed male print on the rifle.

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« Reply #161 on: September 24, 2020, 01:29:PM »




Others who'd leave their prints if/ when using the rifle. There was an unconfirmed male print on the rifle.


At the start, convinced as Taff was, that Sheila was responsible, there wasn't the need to take prints. By the time it became necessary -and the press were still saying,9 days later, that Sheila was responsible- God alone knows how many people had handled it. Anyone outside of the family, ie farmworkers, handling it, is speculative.

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« Reply #162 on: September 24, 2020, 01:55:PM »

At the start, convinced as Taff was, that Sheila was responsible, there wasn't the need to take prints. By the time it became necessary -and the press were still saying,9 days later, that Sheila was responsible- God alone knows how many people had handled it. Anyone outside of the family, ie farmworkers, handling it, is speculative.





Everything seemed to have been a complete waste of time a month on from the first decision by " Taff ".

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« Reply #163 on: September 24, 2020, 02:10:PM »




Everything seemed to have been a complete waste of time a month on from the first decision by " Taff ".



It certainly became required that things were looked at from a different angle. Can't have been easy for those who'd been convinced, as was Taff, that Sheila was responsible.

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« Reply #164 on: September 24, 2020, 02:23:PM »


It certainly became required that things were looked at from a different angle. Can't have been easy for those who'd been convinced, as was Taff, that Sheila was responsible.





I don't know about not being an easy decision , he'd seemed Hell-bent on his " domestic " verdict and stuck to it before making his way to the golf-course ?