Sheila being knocked out after the first shot.

[guest7363]

Sami, THIS is exactly the point I've been trying to make since being told what she was supposed to have done.

 There's greater distance from the business end to the trigger, than from the butt to the trigger, so where/how would she have needed to have held the gun to fire it into herself, and surely pushing a trigger is an alien concept to pulling a trigger.

How would she have managed to keep it steady in order to take the shot, bearing in mind she'd have had no control of the weight as the heavy end was furthest away? Would that not have caused it to drop? All this to cope with and she still has to push the trigger. The closer I look at it, the more impossible it seems to become.

Well who’s on top form today, you and Sami Jane have been excellent!

[Adam]

Bamber was not making any effort in his police interviews. He knew he was going to get charged.

Not challenging the police over Sheila not being able to fire the second shot simultaneously confirmed two things -

He was guilty.

Sheila was knocked out after his first shot and unable to fire the second.

[sami]

Right I see, was the fully auto hard to come by back then Sami?  RE licience ect?

legally iam not sure as i have heard full autos were banned ,in both rifles and hand guns.ive never fired a weapon legally like a gun club or shoot,i would never get the licence.but criminals with all their money can get whatever they need,mac 10 sub machine gun a favorite with many criminal gangs

[Jane]

Well who’s on top form today, you and Sami Jane have been excellent!

RJ! How kind, THANK-YOU

[sami]

RJ! How kind, THANK-YOU

thanks rj,you might be in for some flak now form our not guilty friends

[Kaldin]

I was always under the impression People with schizophrenia can be clumsy and uncoordinated Kaldin, I thought this was part of the illness?  I suppose it doesn’t affect everyone though?

I think it was supposed to be the drugs which made her unco-ordinated. However, there's no evidence that she couldn't do certain things.

[Jane]

I think it was supposed to be the drugs which made her unco-ordinated. However, there's no evidence that she couldn't do certain things.

I'm going to throw this into the mix. There is evidence to suggest that adults who were heavily criticized/ psychologically abused as children, become clumsy and uncoordinated adults..................without the addition of medication.

[Kaldin]

I'm going to throw this into the mix. There is evidence to suggest that adults who were heavily criticized/ psychologically abused as children, become clumsy and uncoordinated adults..................without the addition of medication.

I don't think her upbringing was that bad was it? If so, it would apply to Jeremy too. How many children become that way?

[Caroline]

I think it was supposed to be the drugs which made her unco-ordinated. However, there's no evidence that she couldn't do certain things.

Again, there is witness testimony. Her psychiatrist considered that from the description of her state, she was 'over sedated' on haloperidol.

[Jane]

I don't think her upbringing was that bad was it? If so, it would apply to Jeremy too. How many children become that way?

Depends how you choose to classify "that bad". If you see a child who has the best of everything money can buy, a good home and the benefit of a good education, you maybe inclined to think that their life was not "that bad". I can tell you it was a long way from being that good. In their desire for their children to fit the mould, June and Nevill were over critical -it you recall the adage, an overly criticized child won't stop loving it's parents, it will stop loving itself- Sheila bore the hall marks of this but it doesn't mean that Jeremy didn't suffer. He just expressed it differently.

[Kaldin]

Again, there is witness testimony. Her psychiatrist considered that from the description of her state, she was 'over sedated' on haloperidol.

He hadn't actually seen her though had he? He was also under the impression that the dose was not reduced when in fact it had been reduced nearly a month before the shootings.

[Jane]

He hadn't actually seen her though had he? He was also under the impression that the dose was not reduced when in fact it had been reduced nearly a month before the shootings.

He hadn't seen her, but her doctor had written to him telling him -asking him for permission?- that she wanted to reduce Sheila's meds because of coordination problems.

[sami]

Depends how you choose to classify "that bad". If you see a child who has the best of everything money can buy, a good home and the benefit of a good education, you maybe inclined to think that their life was not "that bad". I can tell you it was a long way from being that good. In their desire for their children to fit the mould, June and Nevill were over critical -it you recall the adage, an overly criticized child won't stop loving it's parents, it will stop loving itself- Sheila bore the hall marks of this but it doesn't mean that Jeremy didn't suffer. He just expressed it differently.

yes interesting post jane

[Kaldin]

It's still speculation though.

[sami]

It's still speculation though.

yes you could say that.unless ones been through it than it might be different