Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.

[Caroline]

exactly which makes all themore telling that she dident come forward straight away.

Telling what? All it tells you is that she didn't come forward for selfish reasons. I doubt she's pround of herself but as previously stated, she's not unique.

[ILB]

That's not OUR problem, though, is it? It's Julie who has to cope with whatever fallout she experiences from it. WE don't need to lose sleep over it.

I never claimed it was. Just 34 years on myself and others are still trying to find out why it never happened. As I have already pointed out on many occasions i am not a champion of Jeremy Bambers innocence. Nor am I convinced of his guilt. But the Julie mugford aspect of the case is very questionable

[Jane]

I never claimed it was. Just 34 years on myself and others are still trying to find out why it never happened

Actually, the "WHY" part appears to be of very little interest to you. You've been given a plethora of different/possible reasons for her behaviour, all of which you've chosen to ignore, preferring to throw in negative comments.

[ILB]

Because she'd been a doormat for almost two years and he thought he had her under his thumb.

I've never bought the controlling boyfriend scenario. I always feel if that was the case Jeremy would not even allow Julie to be studying at Goldsmith's college and would have her chained to the sink at his cottage in goldhanger instead. I do believe he probably was unfaithful to her on many occasions, as being a good looking bloke he would find it easy to chat girls up. But I don't fully buy the controlling boyfriend scenario. I feel it was more him keeping her at arm's length

[ILB]

Actually, the "WHY" part appears to be of very little interest to you. You've been given a plethora of different/possible reasons for her behaviour, all of which you've chosen to ignore, preferring to throw in negative comments.

I have not ignored it. I just find it hard to believe it

[Jane]

I've never bought the controlling boyfriend scenario. I always feel if that was the case Jeremy would not even allow Julie to be studying at Goldsmith's college and would have her chained to the sink at his cottage in goldhanger instead. I do believe he probably was unfaithful to her on many occasions, as being a good looking bloke he would find it easy to chat girls up. But I don't fully buy the controlling boyfriend scenario. I feel it was more him keeping her at arm's length

You appear to have very little idea about how controllers work. Overt controlling DOESN'T work. It's all about subtlety under the guise of caring. Insidious. If he did appear to keep her at arm's length, he'd done a very good job on her because he knew she'd come back.

[Jane]

I have not ignored it. I just find it hard to believe it

So what, exactly, DO you believe? Instead of just slating everything that's been said isn't it time you offered an opinion that looks a little deeper than saying she was just greedy. None of us is JUST anything.

[guest7363]

I have not ignored it. I just find it hard to believe it

I find a lot of things hard to believe what others do in this world, but we are not them.  What I do find hard to believe, the thought of killing my parents and sister/self  and two little boys, whether it being Jeremy or Sheila.

I’m no fan of JM, we can only draw on life experiences when we judge others, which can be wrong, I was in Rotherham on Tuesday listening to a harrowing tale about a sex abused woman and a killing, yet it took her twenty years to come forward. I know this is not the same, but you would have done different maybe?

[Jane]

I find a lot of things hard to believe what others do in this world, but we are not them.  What I do find hard to believe, the thought of killing my parents and sister/self  and two little boys, whether it being Jeremy or Sheila.

I’m no fan of JM, we can only draw on life experiences when we judge others, which can be wrong, I was in Rotherham on Tuesday listening to a harrowing tale about a sex abused woman and a killing, yet it took her twenty years to come forward. I know this is not the same, but you would have done different maybe?

I can give instance of a woman who only recognized, in her mid 40's, the abuse she'd suffered as a child, and the subsequent effect it had had on her as an adult. Most of us are too busy trying to make the best of the cards we've been dealt to look at what's going on. As you say, RJ, we can only draw on our own experiences. I find ilb's stance to be particularly judgemental but it MAY be that he/she has had a very sheltered life, or has had one devoid of the traumas many have faced.

[ILB]

You appear to have very little idea about how controllers work. Overt controlling DOESN'T work. It's all about subtlety under the guise of caring. Insidious. If he did appear to keep her at arm's length, he'd done a very good job on her because he knew she'd come back.

are you stating a fact, or an opinion?

[Caroline]

None of us can give an accurate reason why Julie stayed quiet - just a best guess. Personally I think even if Bamber hadn't dumped her, she would have eventually cracked one way or another. The point is though, that unlike some, she did come forward. If what she told the police was made up - where would that come from, there has to be a basis for such a lie. She couldn't know that the investigation was uncovering a different picture of who was actually responsible and as Jeremy's girlfriend, the relatives wouldn't risk recruiting her in case she told him. I personally don't think she told the whole truth, I think there is stuff she left out or which the police thought would be unhelpful in the doc. Julie isn't unique - I think she was immature and didn't realise the full impact of what she was mixed up in.

[Jane]

are you stating a fact, or an opinion?

Neither. It's an observation.

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0

Julie's reasons for approaching the police after a month will be partially explained indirectly in her substantial WS. Something she defended and elaborated on when testifying.

[Caroline]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0

Julie's reasons for not approaching the police will be partially explained indirectly in her substantial WS. Something she defended and elaborated on when testifying.

I did suggest reading this last week, only Julie knows her motivations.

[Adam]

A month seems about right to me -

Week 1:

Coming to terms with what happened. The police , relatives & media around. A funeral to attend. Bamber getting lots of support & sympathy.


Week 2:

Jeremy starts taking Julie on his jolly ups & keeping a close eye on her. Spending money & telling her he is water tight.


Week 3:

Julie is uncomfortable & starts confiding to friends.


Week 4:

Julie & Bamber split up.  He claims he jilted her although it seems she wanted out. Bamber tries to taunt her by asking another girl out while Julie is near. She approaches the police.

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