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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on May 09, 2018, 03:21:PM
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It should not be overlooked that there exists several accounts regarding the fact that June bamber was 'concerned about Sheila's behaviour' in the lead up to the tragedy - in the first instance, there existed Jeremy's account regarding what he witnessed at the supper table on the evening of the tragedy! This was followed by Pamela Boutflour repeating what her sister June bamber had told her over the telephone at about 10pm, that same evening! And, now we have this witness Statement from Doris Theresa TWEED, who states that she had last seen June Bamber on the 3rd August 1985, a matter of four days before the tragedy, who states that June mentioned to her 'HOW CONCERNED SHE WAS ABOUT SHEILA'...
How much more evidence needs to be uncovered, to confirm that in the build up to the tragedy that Sheila was behaving oddly, causing June and Neville to be worried about what might happen to herself of the children (and as it turned out, to themselves)?
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Pamela Boutflour:-
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Freddie EMANI:-
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How utterly strange, therefore, that all the relatives who stood to become beneficiaries in the estatate(s) of the Bamber parents, and mabel Speakman, should all be saying and claiming that Shheila couldn't have done what she had been accused of doing?
Robert Boutflour
David Boutflour
Ann Eaton
Peter Eaton
Anthony Pargeter
According to the above named, Sheila wouldn't hurt a fly, she wasn't ill tempered, and wouldn't have shot her 2 kids, let alone her parents, or as it turned out, herself...
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Why did Pamela Boutflour refuse her inheritance?
Did she not want to 'get involved'?
She was the last person to speak to the victims wasn't she?
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Why did Pamela Boutflour refuse her inheritance? A technicality, I suppose...
Did she not want to 'get involved'? Your guess is as good as mine! Mind you, June did tell Pamela that she was worried about Sheila within hours of tragedy. Perhaps she felt somewhat awkward taking Jeremy's entitlement to his parents inheritance away from him in the invent that he should be convicted, or had been convicted?
She was the last person to speak to the victims wasn't she? She was, Yes...
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We have Doris Theresa TWEED, Jeremy and Pamela Boutflour all speaking in terms that there was a problem involving Sheila caffell, from the 3rd August 1985, onwards, and nobody believed what Jeremy (for his part) was telling everybody regarding what was taking place around the supper table, that last evening (the last supper, so to speak) - everyone who did not believe what Jeremy had told them regarding what had been going on at that supper table between Sheila and the parents ought to holdtheir heads in shame...
Jeremy told 'the truth' about that matter...
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Thanks Mike, do you think there is a possibility that someone told Pamela to phone June and Sheila, to check up?
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Thanks Mike, do you think there is a possibility that someone told Pamela to phone June and Sheila, to check up?
Hey, I never thought of that possibility?
Maybe...
it was...
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Hey, I never thought of that possibility?
Maybe...
it was...
Maybe...
any one, or both of two named persons, 'Jean Rita Boutell', or as the case may be, 'Barbara Wilson' telephoned Pamela Boutflour, to tell her that when She had spoken to Neville Bamber at about 9.30pm on that last evening (6th August 1985) that she thought that she had called at an inoppertune moent and interupted an argument, or a dispute of something, or other...
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All the phones around the place would have upset Sheila hence the removal of one which was found under the magazines. Sheila had already got it in her mind that the phones were " bugged " anyway regardless of where she was. More so because anyone could listen in to a conversation at WHF on whichever phone and whatever floor.
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Maybe...
any one, or both of two named persons,
Older generation tend not to phone at 10.00pm at night unless its an emergency (in my experience)
Cut off time 9.00pm, very latest 9.30pm, but not 10.00pm (as I say just my experience)
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* "Give June and Sheila a phone and ask if the boys are there"
"its far to late, I'm not phoning at this time of night, I'll ring them tomorrow in the morning"
* "go on its okay, make sure they are alright"
"Oh, alright then, but I still think its to late and it may wake the twins"
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Maybe...
any one, or both of two named persons, 'Jean Rita Boutell', or as the case may be, 'Barbara Wilson' telephoned Pamela Boutflour, to tell her that when She had spoken to Neville Bamber at about 9.30pm on that last evening (6th August 1985) that she thought that she had called at an inoppertune moent and interupted an argument, or a dispute of something, or other...
'WILSON' and 'BOUTELL' are therefore, key witnesses to what took place during the unfolding tragedy...
Especially since, at 10pm, June tells her sister Pamela, that Sheila is behaving in 'an odd manner'...
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'WILSON' and 'BOUTELL' are therefore, key witnesses to what took place during the unfolding tragedy...
Especially since, at 10pm, June tells her sister Pamela, that Sheila is behaving in 'an odd manner'...
At 10pm, only 9 and a half hours, before the firerms officers force their way into the farmhouse, what we now know with complete certainty, is that, was that Sheila had been behaving 'oddly', she had been behaving 'strangely', and that June Bamber herself had expressed to a number of different people that 'she thought' and 'was worried' about Sheila...
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At 10pm, only 9 and a half hours, before the firerms officers force their way into the farmhouse, what we now know with complete certainty, is that, was that Sheila had been behaving 'oddly', she had been behaving 'starngely', and that June bamber herself had expetessed to a number of different people that 'she thought' and 'was worried' about Sheila...
Quite simply put, you couldn't 'make this up' involving 'all these differrent people' resounding the facts as they were, by that late stage - 'Sheila was presenting herself' and 'conducting herself' as something of 'a worrying problem', to her parents, in particular to her adoptive parents, at the supper table when Jeremy himself observed this activity, and more suignificantly, at 10pm, when Pamela Boutflour spoke to her sister June Bamber!!!!!
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Quite simply put, you couldn't 'make this up' involving 'all these differrent people' resounding the facts as they were, by that late stage - 'Sheila was presenting herself' and 'conducting herself' as something of 'a worrying problem', to her parents, in particular to her adoptive parents, at the supper table when Jeremy himself observed this activity, and more suignificantly, at 10pm, when Pamela Boutflour spoke to her sister June Bamber!!!!!
I know what I am talking about, I have helped hundreds of victims prove their innocence in a variety of miscarriages of justice...
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June Bamber, 'told her sister' that 'she was worried about Sheila'...
She 'had every right' to be worried!
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June Bamber, 'told her sister' that 'she was worried about Sheila'...
She 'had every right' to be worried!
Hey...
'Barbara Wilson' was aloso concerned about the response she got from Neville Bamber when she phoned up at 9.30pm (half an hour before Pamela phoned up at 10pm and spoke to her sister June Bamber)...
Sheila must have got it into her head that she had to do what she had to do, by that stage...
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Hey...
'Barbara Wilson' was aloso concerned about the response she got from Neville Bamber when she phoned up at 9.30pm (half an hour before Pamela phoned up at 10pm and spoke to her sister June Bamber)...
Sheila must have got it into her head that she had to do what she had to do, by that stage...
But...
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Maybe...
any one, or both of two named persons, 'Jean Rita Boutell', or as the case may be, 'Barbara Wilson' telephoned Pamela Boutflour, to tell her that when She had spoken to Neville Bamber at about 9.30pm on that last evening (6th August 1985) that she thought that she had called at an inoppertune moent and interupted an argument, or a dispute of sometyhing, or other...
Bit late to phone your boss, 9.30pm wonder what that phone call was about...
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But...
Sheila, didn't act alone...
'SHE HAD AN ACCOMPLICE'...
Two guns, a variety of differently manufacturerd .22 ammunition, 2 different silencers, 4 victims who were attacked by the 2 shooters silmultaneously, hence why the parents never stood a chance!
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I got the picture in my minds eye (the 3rd eye so to speak), the parents were attacked as part of a dual approach, two shooters in possession of two different .22 rifles, one the anshuzt semi-automatic rifle, the other the .22 bolt action rifle, one fitted with a silencer, the other minus a silencer, a total of (9) / (10) rounds fired via use of the semi-automatic weapon, the other 15/16 fired via way of the .22 bolt action rifle...
These are the facts presented to me, by way of attunement to the 'UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS', I am no mug, and it is so obvious that the case presented when Jeremy Bmber was prosecuted for these 5 murders, was and is a dishonest one...
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I got the picture in my minds eye (the 3rd eye so to speak), the parents were attacked as part of a dual approach, two shooters in possession of two different .22 rifles, one the anshuzt semi-automatic rifle, the other the .22 bolt action rifle, one fitted with a silencer, the other minus a silencer, a total of (9) / (10) rounds fired via use of the semi-automatic weapon, the other 15/16 fired via way of the .22 bolt action rifle...
These are the facts presented to me, by way of attunement to the 'UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS', I am no mug, and it is so obvious that the case presented when Jeremy Bmber was prosecuted for these 5 murders, was and is a dishonest one...
On top of all of this - Sheila was photographed laying on top of the bed sporting a single bullet wound to her throat, prior to the occasion when she was later photographed laid upon the bedroom floor with '2 shots' to her neck!
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On top of all of this - Sheila was photographed laying on top of the bed sporting a single bullet wound to her throat, prior to the occasion when she was later photographed laid upon the bedroom floor with '2 shots' to her neck!
'How the heck', could Jeremy Bamber have shot his sister on the second occasion, after the cops photographed Sheila caffells body laid on top of the bed, sporting only a single bullet wound there?
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I am no mug!!!
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I am no mug!!!
Jeremy Bamber 'DID NOT FIRE THE 2nd BULLET INTO HIS SISTERS NECK, ONCE HER BODY HAD BEEN LIFTED FROM THE BED AND PLACED ON THE BEDROOM FLOOR, WHICH EFFECTIVELY BROUGHT HER LIFE TO AN END'...
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The offence of murder, or killing someone, is regarded as a very serious matter, why is it that the facts in this case, do not add up?
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The offence of murder, or killing someone, is regarded as a very serious matter, why is it that the facts in this case, do not add up?
STOP!
'two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen (7.35am - 7.45am)
STOP!
At 8.10am, ' a further 3 bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'..
What could be any clearer?
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STOP!
'two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen (7.35am - 7.45am)
STOP!
At 8.10am, ' a further 3 bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'..
What could be any clearer?
At the death...
a transformation in the body count, downstairs (1) and upstairs (4) which became the subject of the Witness Statement version of these events...
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PS Adams being the 'Commander of the firearm operations' when the body count was 'two downstairs' (7.35am to 8.10am), 'three upstairs', and PI Montgomery becoming the 'Commander' afterwards, when the situatrion changed resulting in 'the body count' being only '1 body downstairs', and '4 bodies upstairs'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PS Adams being the 'Commander of the firearm operations' when the body count was 'two downstairs' (7.35am to 8.10am), 'three upstairs', and PI Montgomery becoming the 'Commander' afterwards, when the situatrion changed resulting in 'the body count' being only '1 body downstairs', and '4 bodies upstairs'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is it...
That we have 2 different 'COMMANDERS' of the same operation, once the threshold of 8.10am, is surpassed?
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I would 'gladly' and 'personally' hang every last one of these lying police officers, it's 'out of order', and the lot of them are 'scum' of the earth...
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It should not be overlooked that there exists several accounts regarding the fact that June bamber was 'concerned about Sheila's behaviour' in the lead up to the tragedy - in the first instance, there existed Jeremy's account regarding what he witnessed at the supper table on the evening of the tragedy! This was followed by Pamela Boutflour repeating what her sister June bamber had told her over the telephone at about 10pm, that same evening! And, now we have this witness Statement from Doris Theresa TWEED, who states that she had last seen June Bamber on the 3rd August 1985, a matter of four days before the tragedy, who states that June mentioned to her 'HOW CONCERNED SHE WAS ABOUT SHEILA'...
How much moire evidence needs to be uncovered, to confirm that in the build up to the tragedy that Sheila was behaving oddly, causing June and Neville to be worried about what might happen to herself of the children (and as it turned out, to themselves)?
Mike
Do you have HELEN GRIMSTER statement?
and how important would it have been if she had given evidence at the trial?
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Mike
Do you have HELEN GRIMSTER statement?
and how important would it have been if she had given evidence at the trial?
It is in here -
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html
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It is in here -
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html
Thanks Adam
Direct link:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,155.msg332.html#msg332
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So in March 85 June thought Sheila should be more religious. Sheila certainly became religious over the next 5 months. Although not religious enough to bring her own books to WHF. June's bible was the last thing Sheila read.
'Tranquiliser', isn't that something given to a horse ?
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Tranquilisers are also given to humans ! ::)
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Thanks Adam
Direct link:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,155.msg332.html#msg332
SHEILA (God bless her) was 'grooming' this young girl HELEN GRIMSTER for possible helping with 'The Plan'.
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It was Sheila's way of throwing out a big hint. Nobody had listened to the woman nor studied the signs.
I wonder how many times a psychiatrist has said of those with issues that they don't pose a risk ??
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Thanks Mike, do you think there is a possibility that someone told Pamela to phone June and Sheila, to check up?
I always thought it strange that she telephoned what was after all a working farm household at 10pm, though of course I'm not sure it changes anything even if Pamela was so prompted.
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RWB and also DB had been present when Pam rang June that night via RWB'S admittance.