Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on May 07, 2018, 01:20:PM
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'Houston, we have a problem'...
Cops present the shooting tragedy as a one gun crime, the gun in question supposedly being the family owned Anshuzt rifle, a .22 semi-automatic gun, it has a telescopic site, it has a Parker Hale Silencer, it has one ammunition magazine which can hold a maximum of 10 live rounds!
Yet...
Despite the claim that Sheila (or her accomplice) must have reloaded the gun with fresh live rounds on no less than two further occasions, why is it, that not a single bullet case has got a set of 'follower Plate marks' upon them?
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'Houston, we have a problem's...
Cops present the shooting tragedy as a one gun crime, the gun in question supposedly being the family owned Anshuzt rifle, a .22 semi-automatic gun, it has a telescopic site, it has a Parker Hale Silencer, it has one ammunition magazine which can hold a maximum of 10 live rounds!
Yet...
Despite the claim that Sheila (or her accomplice) must have reloaded the gun with fresh live rounds on no less than two further occasions, why is it, that not a single bullet case has got a set of 'follower Plate marks' upon them?
An absence of not a solitary 'follower Plate marks' on any of the batch of 25 spent cartridge cases, is extremely worrying!
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Just to hit the nail on the head, so to speak - let's say that by the time Jeremy left the farmhouse at about 9.30pm on the previous evening, that he had left the magazine fully loaded (Let's assume he did this innocently)...
Well, the way I see it, there was a full magazine left attached to the gun, which compromised of 10 live rounds!
Alternatively, and in addition to a full ammunition magazine being full, there was also a live round sat in the breach of the weapon (so, possibility that the shooter might have had a total of 11 live rounds at her or his disposal before there was a need to reload! Thirdly, perhaps the ammunition magazine was not fully loaded, but instead, it had either 9 rounds in its magazine, or 8 rounds in the magazine, and one in the breech, 9 in total!
Wouldn't this correspond with the (9) 'nearly whole bullets' recovered from the bodies of the victims with use of the anshuzt rifle?
Sounds like a good proposal to me..
Then, 14 bullets fired via the second rifle (to which the original 14 spent cartridges (MDF/100), refers) - 23 shots in total fired by Sheila, herself, and or, Sheila and her accomplice..
It's all taking shape now, 7 of the whole bullets too heavy, and the other five whole bullets too light, for any of these 12 whole bullets to have been selected by the shooter from the box of 50 Eley subsonic hollow point ammunition, of which 29 were tipped out into the kitchen worktop (with one live round still in the box tray!
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Just to hit the nail on the head, so to speak - let's say that by the time Jeremy left the farmhouse at about 9.30pm on the previous evening, that he had left the magazine fully loaded (Let's assume he did this innocently)...
Well, the way I see it, there was a full magazine left attached to the gun, which compromised of 10 live rounds!
Alternatively, and in addition to a full ammunition magazine being full, there was also a live round sat in the breach of the weapon (so, possibility that the shooter might have had a total of 11 live rounds at her or his disposal before there was a need to reload! Thirdly, perhaps the ammunition magazine was not fully loaded, but instead, it had either 9 rounds in its magazine, or 8 rounds in the magazine, and one in the breech, 9 in total!
Wouldn't this correspond with the (9) 'nearly whole bullets' recovered from the bodies of the victims with use of the anshuzt rifle?
Sounds like a good proposal to me..
So, Let's, just for the sake of it locate the wounds inflicted by these 9 nearly whole bullets, and of course identify the location inside the farmhouse where these (9) shots were received by the victims (remember that the two shots to Sheila, were 'whole bullets' and therefore do not fall to be taken into account of)...
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So, Let's, just for the sake of it locate the wounds inflicted by these 9 nearly whole bullets, and of course identify the location inside the farmhouse where these (9) shots were received by the victims (remember that the two shots to Sheila, were 'whole bullets' and therefore do not fall to be taken into account of)...
In point of fact, although there were (9) nearly whole bullets recovered from the bodies of victims or from the scene itself, all but one (DRH/9) were recovered during autopsy by Peter Venezis. It is very interesting to note, that 5 of these did not have narrow lands, but had corresponding rifling marks, when compared to markings found on test fired control ammunition in the anshuzt rifle! 4 other bullets did not have any lands, or rifling marks! Only one of these (9) bullets had all 8 landscape grooves!
Here we can see the recorded bullet weights of these (9) nearly whole bullets:-
(1) - PV/3 - 1.9368grms (Neville Bamber)
(2) - PV/8 - 1.63grms (Neville Bamber)
(3) - PV/11 - 1.93grms (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/25 - 1.79grms (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/26 - 1.7783grms (June Bamber)
(6) - PV/30 - 2.03grms (twin)
(7) - PV/34 - 1.7972grms (twin)
(8) - PV/36 - 2.03grms (twin)
(9) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms (main bedroom)
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In point of fact, although there were (9) nearly whole bullets recovered from the bodies of victims or from the scene itself, all but one (DRH/9) were recovered during autopsy by Peter Venezis. It is very interesting to note, that 5 of these did not have narrow lands, but had corresponding rifling marks, when compared to markings found on test fired control ammunition in the anshuzt rifle! 4 other bullets did not have any lands, or rifling marks! Only one of these (9) bullets had all 8 landscape grooves!
Here we can see the recorded bullet weights of these (9) nearly whole bullets:-
(1) - PV/3 - 1.9368grms (Neville Bamber)
(2) - PV/8 - 1.63grms (Neville Bamber)
(3) - PV/11 - 1.93grms (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/25 - 1.79grms (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/26 - 1.7783grms (June Bamber)
(6) - PV/30 - 2.03grms (twin)
(7) - PV/34 - 1.7972grms (twin)
(8) - PV/36 - 2.03grms (twin)
(9) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms (main bedroom)
On this approach, there were insufficient bullets loaded in the first instance by Jeremy, into the anshuzt rifle, to kill both Neville and June Bamber outright if it was a one gun crime, because the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th bullets killed Neville Bamber, and the 6th and 7th shots killed June Bamber - there must have been a second shooter involved, a two gun crime, with two silencers, and a mixture of different types of .22 ammunition..
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On this approach, there were insufficient bullets loaded in the first instance by Jeremy, into the anshuzt rifle, to kill both Neville and June Bamber outright if it was a one gun crime, because the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th bullets killed Neville Bamber, and the 6th and 7th shots killed June Bamber - there must have been a second shooter involved, a two gun crime, with two silencers, and a mixture of different types of .22 ammunition..
The Bamber ammunition, mixed in with a variety of different types of .22 ammunition belonging to Anthony Pargeter!
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Now...
Let's look at the 12 'Whole Bullets' and see to whom they relate too, in which location inside the farmhouse ( bearing in mind that in the records Sheila must have been the female body downstairs in the kitchen between 7.35am to at least 8.10am):-
The 7 Heavy Whole Bullets (*)and 5 light Bullets (**)..
(1) - DRH/35(a) 2.44grns (pillow, main bedroom) * .22 LR Bullet
(2) - DRH/35(b) 2.43grms (pillow, main bedroom)* .22 LR Bullet
(3) - PV/2 2.4267grms (Neville Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(4) - PV/4 2.0999grms (Neville Bamber) **
(5) - PV/19 - 2.16grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(6) - PV/20 - 1.5453grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(7) - PV/23 - 2.29grms (June Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(8) - PV/24 - 2.4208grms (June Bamber) *
(9) - PV/29 - 2.13grms ( twin ) **
(10) - PV /31 - 2.1223grms (twin) **
(11) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms (main bedroom floor) *
(12) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms (twins room) * .22 LR Bullet
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The other thing worthy of note, is the fact that there are only 9 of the 25 bullets which are described as .22 LR's, all the other 16 are either described as bullets, fragment of a bullet, or part of a bullet...
.22 LR Bullets
(1) - DRH/35(a) - 2.44grms - 'whole' (pillow main bedroom)
(2) - DRH/35 (b) - 2.43grms - 'Whole' (pillow main bedroom)
(3) - PV/2 - 2.4267grms - 'Whole' (Neville Bamber)
(4) - PV/23 - 2.29grms - 'whole' (June Bamber)
(5) - PV/30 - 2.03grms - 'Nearly Whole' (twin)
(6) - PV/36 - 2.03grms - 'Nearly Whole' (twin)
(7) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms - 'Whole' (on main bedroom floor near to door)
(8) - DRH/9 - 1.67grms - 'Nearly Whole' (on main bedroom floor near to door)
(9) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms - 'Whole' (in twins room)
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The upshot of all this is that Police replaced a fragmented bullet with a whole one to shore up their case against Jeremy Bamber.
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The upshot of all this is that Police replaced a fragmented bullet with a whole one to shore up their case against Jeremy Bamber.
Steve_uk, that part is true, yes - but I think there is more to it, than simply swapping over the original PV/20 and replacing it with a whole test fired control round (part of DRH/42), I think the cops didn't so much swap over any of the other 24 bullets, hence why we see the distinguished pattern involving a variety of differently described bullets, and corresponding weights! To my mind, cops only introduced the replacement PV/20 so that they could get the ballistic expert to conclude that Sheila was shot twice by the same gun, when in fact she had not been. Sheila was shot with the use of two different guns, one of them being the family owned Anshuzt rifle! No guessing which was the other rifle that was used to shoot her earlier?
The. Cops must also have swapped over a corresponding bullet case (DRH/1 or DRH/2) to conceal evidence that the round had been loaded into the magazine of the other gun, loaded into the breech of that gun, and manually ejected by operation of that rifles bolt, as opposed to the 2nd shot which killed Sheila in the main bedroom, which was loaded into the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle, into its breach, and automatically extracted and ejected from the anshuzt rifle!
Seems to me, that since cops went to the trouble of turning Sheila's death into a one gun crime, that they would have eliminated the corresponding spent cartridge case that would have been extracted and ejected manually from the .22 bolt action rifle,. They would have needed to swap at least either DRH/1 or DRH/2, by removing the original spent cartridge case linked to the bolt action rifle, replacing it with test fired control spent cartridge case, so that it looked like to all intents and purposes, the same rifle had fired both of the shots which contributed towards killing Sheila!
Now, I know with 100% certainty that two different rifles were used in the shooting of Sheila, and that the contents of the timed police radio message logs (7.35am to 8.10am) relate to the circumstances regarding how Sheila was shot and presumed killed downstairs in the kitchen!
The witness statement version of the events, as told by police officers, who purported to have first come upon her body on the bedroom floor is totally false, albeit the truth is that that was where she did eventually die!
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Steve_uk, that part is true, yes - but I think there is more to it, than simply swapping over the original PV/20 and replacing it with a whole test fired control round (part of DRH/42), I think the cops didn't so much swap over any of the other 24 bullets, hence why we see the distinguished pattern involving a variety of differently described bullets, and corresponding weights! To my mind, cops only introduced the replacement PV/20 so that they could get the ballistic expert to conclude that Sheila was shot twice by the same gun, when in fact she had not been. Sheila was shot with the use of two different guns, one of them being the family owned Anshuzt rifle! No guessing which was the other rifle that was used to shoot her earlier?
The. Cops must also have swapped over a corresponding bullet case (DRH/1 or DRH/2) to conceal evidence that the round had been loaded into the magazine of the other gun, loaded into the breech of that gun, and manually ejected by operation of that rifles bolt, as opposed to the 2nd shot which killed Sheila in the main bedroom, which was loaded into the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle, into its breach, and automatically extracted and ejected from the anshuzt rifle!
Seems to me, that since cops went to the trouble of turning Sheila's death into a one gun crime, that they would have eliminated the corresponding spent cartridge case that would have been extracted and ejected manually from the .22 bolt action rifle,. They would have needed to swap at least either DRH/1 or DRH/2, by removing the original spent cartridge case linked to the bolt action rifle, replacing it with test fired control spent cartridge case, so that it looked like to all intents and purposes, the same rifle had fired both of the shots which contributed towards killing Sheila!
Now, I know with 100% certainty that two different rifles were used in the shooting of Sheila, and that the contents of the timed police radio message logs (7.35am to 8.10am) relate to the circumstances regarding how Sheila was shot and presumed killed downstairs in the kitchen!
The witness statement version of the events, as told by police officers, who purported to have first come upon her body on the bedroom floor is totally false, albeit the truth is that that was where she did eventually die!
I have uncovered almost everything that the cops did to make these killings into a one gun crime, not only the stated fact that they tampered with one of the two bullets (PV/20), and it's corresponding spent cartridge case (either DRH/1 or DRH/2), but also that there was widescale tampering with at least 14 other original spent cartridge cases, all loaded into the magazine's of the other rifle, loaded into the breach of that gun, fired, and manually extracted and ejected manually by the shooter operating the bolt action. These other 14 bullet cases belonged to the other 14 bullets fired during the incident either by Sheila, and or Sheila and her accomplice! These 14 original bullet cases would have all got the magazine markings of the other gun, which would be different to the magazine markings and extractor and ejection marks on the other 9 rounds loaded, fired extracted and ejected via the anshuzt .22 semi-automatic rifle!
Another tell tale sign that cops did this to turn this investigation into a one gun crime, after their ploy to take the case through the Coroner's Court system as four murders and a suicide, is the variety of different types of .22 ammunition used in these shootings, which could not possibly have originated from the same batch of Eley .22 LR Subsonic Hollow point ammunition, because of the incompatible weights involved! The Bambers only ever purchased 500 rounds of the .22 Eley LR Hollow Point Ammunition, but Anthony Pargeter had purchased a wide variety of different types of .22 ammunition which was kept at the farmhouse in the downstairs toilet! In total, to my calculation, cops switched a total of 15 spent cartridge cases, removing the 15 linked to the .22 bolt action rifle, and replacing these with test fired control cartridge cases, which had been loaded and fired using the anshuzt rifle!
14 of these 15 original bullet cases, remain in storage at Huntingdon Laboratory, under the exhibit reference, of 'MDF/100'. I know this to be true, because RENSHAW divulged this information to us in 2004!
The other spent cartridge case (which would have originally been either 'DRH/1' or 'DRH/2', was destroyed by Essex police (hence why only 14 of the original 15 bullet cases linking the shootings to the .22 bolt action rifle currently still exist!
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My research into the vaults of information has enabled me to expose the prosecution's ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher as a damn right incorrigible crook!
He made witness statements, and has testified by making out that he did not perform any test firing of control ammunition, with the anshuzt rifle, until on the 20th September 1985, the 25th September 1985, and the 1st October 1985. Stating that prior to these occasions he did not know when the anshuzt rifle had last been fired!
Well, according to Lab 'General Examination Records, connected individually to the batches of 25 crime scene bullets, and the 25 crime scene spent cartridge cases (50 individual records), he has lied, and lied, and he has lied!
Contained on many of these records is that astonishing discovery, that on the 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985, that Fletcher carried out comparison tests between each of these 50 pieces of crime scene ammunition, using a control round that had been test fired in the anshuzt rifle! These damning records establish that Fletcher must be and is a conspirators in this matter! Since, far from his cry that prior to the 20th September 1975 when he says he first test fired the anshuzt rifle with control ammunition and that he did not know when beforehand the anshuzt rifle had last been fired, of course he knew, otherwise how could he have made all those comparison tests on the 12th, 13th, 18th, and the 19th September 1985?
More alarmingly..
His signature appears on these records which he also dated, 12th, 13th, 18th and the 19th September 1985!
The guy has to be a crook!
On top of all of this, and in an attempt to try and conceal his involvement in this act of state agreed corruption, he purposefully did not attribute the 29 control rounds (which formed part and parcel of exhibit DRH/42), with individual exhibit references of his own, so that a full and proper record could be produced regarding the test firing of each individual control round. Failure to adopt this fundamental practice enabled either himself, or others, to use 15 of those 29 spent control test fired rounds, in a 'switch operation', as described earlier, so that the case could be proceeded with as a one gun crime, when the truth in this matter, is that it was a two gun crime!
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For the record, the prosecution's ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher produced only one official exhibit as part of the prosecution's case against Jeremy Bamber, that being 'MDF/1' a cloth pull through of the anshuzt rifles barrel, a test which yeilded 'no blood' found on the lining of the guns barrel, carried out by Fletcher according to his evidence, on the 12th September 1985...
This is astounding!!!
I shall report to you all why I am saying that this claim is astounding, nay it's absolutely astounding...
It's 'astounding' because it wasn't until another ballistic expert, Mr RENSHAW, (2004) conducted a series of tests at Birdwell Armoury (formerly known as junction 36 gun club), we learned shortly after these tests had been conducted, about a second exhibit, bearing the exhibit reference 'MDF/100' consisting of 14 spent cartridge cases that were currently being held in storage at Huntingdon Lab'. These had not been destroyed, like the revised concoction which turned out to supposedly be the original batch of crime scene bullets and spent cartridge cases!
Hang on...
Two exhibits, first one MDF/1 (cloth pull through test), second exhibit, MDF/100 (14 spent cartridge cases loaded, fired and ejected via the other rifle during the shooting incident at whf...
What happened to the other 98 exhibits MDF/2 through consecutively to MDF/99?
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For the record, the prosecution's ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher produced only one official exhibit as part of the prosecution's case against Jeremy Bamber, that being 'MDF/1' a cloth pull through of the anshuzt rifles barrel, a test which yeilded 'no blood' found on the lining of the guns barrel, carried out by Fletcher according to his evidence, on the 12th September 1985...
This is astounding!!!
I shall report to you all why I am saying that this claim is astounding, nay it's absolutely astounding...
It's 'astounding' because it wasn't until another ballistic expert, Mr RENSHAW, (2004) conducted a series of tests at Birdwell Armoury (formerly known as junction 36 gun club), we learned shortly after these tests had been conducted, about a second exhibit, bearing the exhibit reference 'MDF/100' consisting of 14 spent cartridge cases that were currently being held in storage at Huntingdon Lab'. These had not been destroyed, like the revised concoction which turned out to supposedly be the original batch of crime scene bullets and spent cartridge cases!
Hang on...
Two exhibits, first one MDF/1 (cloth pull through test), second exhibit, MDF/100 (14 spent cartridge cases loaded, fired and ejected via the other rifle during the shooting incident at whf...
What happened to the other 98 exhibits MDF/2 through consecutively to MDF/99?
None, exist!
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I must conclude, therefore, that the 14 bullet cases, which are in storage at Huntingdon Lab', under the exhibit reference 'MDF/100', must have formerly been referred to as 'MDF/1' related to the 'swap Over' of test fired control rounds (the spent cartridge cases) that had been loaded, fired and ejected from the anshuzt rifle post tragedy, and 14 of the original batch of crime scene ammunition was removed from the equation, because it linked the shootings to the use of a second gun in the tragedy, more importantly, Sheila had been shot twice, once by the .22 bolt action rifle downstairs in the kitchen, and later on by way of the anshuzt rifle upstairs on her parents bedroom floor...
Steps were taken to try and eliminate any use of the .22 bolt action rifle in the shooting tragedy!
That's why there still exists to this date, 14 spent cartridge cases that can be linked to the .22 bolt action rifle which are still in storage at the Lab', these had been loaded into the .22 bolt action rifle, fired and manually extracted and ejected by the person using that rifle, at the material time! Everything points to the use of the second rifle in these shootings, there must have been an accomplice, I personally cannot see Sheila operating the bolt of the .22 rifle, working it's action manually back and forth at least 15 times, often in quick succession!!!
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Two rifles, two people, Sheila must have had help to get rid of her parents!
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Fletcher's for the high jump, his days are numbered...
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Fletcher's for the high jump, his days are numbered...
He needs to start thinking about his own future, if I were him I would be breaking my neck to tell the tale on those who pressurised him into going along with this debacle...
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Two rifles, two people, Sheila must have had help to get rid of her parents!
I am absolutely 100% certain of this now.
Question is who was Sheila's accomplice?
Who would benefit? he is male.
It wasn't a 'hit man' it must have been someone Sheila knew well, almost certainly a relative.
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Mike,
This may seem like an odd question, but was a close relative to the BAMBER'S - male, aged 15 years in 1985, so born 1970?
SHEILA would have known him.
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I am absolutely 100% certain of this now.
Question is who was Sheila's accomplice?
Who would benefit? he is male.
It wasn't a 'hit man' it must have been someone Sheila knew well, almost certainly a relative.
Don't you think with Jeremy's enigmatic remark to Mike that he knew more than he was letting on?
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Don't you think with Jeremy's enigmatic remark to Mike that he knew more than he was letting on?
I think JEREMY is now well known for his unfortunate 'Prince Phillip' quips.
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Jeremy told me in great detail about the occasion when Jones and Jones came to see him at his cottage on the afternoon of 9th August 1985, and one of the things which puzzled me at the time was that they asked him specifically if he knew where exactly 5 additional bullets that were used in the shootings originated from? This has always nagged at me for the best part of 3 decades!
I remember Jeremy saying to them in response to being told that a total of 25 shots had been fired during the tragedy, but that there were only 30 bullets remaining in the box found in the kitchen, with 20 missing, that they must have been bullets already in the guns ammunition magazine prior to him having gone to the cupboard under the stairs in the den to get a new box of 50 Eley .22 LR subsonic Hollow point bullets, which he said had got celothane wrapper around it (he said he removed the wrapping from the box once he got to the kitchen), and proceeded to load bullets from the box into the magazine until it felt like it was full, or as near as damn it, full..
I asked him where he was stood at the time he was loading the gun, and he said at the worktop where the phone is, he said he had his back to his parents and Sheila who were sat around the supper table discussing Sheila's inability to be able to look after her two boys alone, etc, etc, etc...
I have always been a little bit suspicious about those additional 5 bullets that Jones and Jones brought up with Jeremy, there was something not quite right about what all parties had to say regarding them on that occasion!
For a start and dealing with my take on what Jeremy had to say in response to what Jones and Jones put to him, I can't understand why he would have needed to load up the magazine of the rifle, with 4 or 5 more additional live rounds from a new box full of 50 rounds, if there was already 5 live rounds inside the magazine? How many rabbits had he seen in the vicinity of the barn, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or maybe even 9?
If he'd only seen 1 rabbit in the vicinity of the barn on his way into the farmhouse from parking up tractor and trailer, why would he have needed, 8, 9, or even 10 bullets to deal with it?
Surely, Jeremy would have known if there were already bullets loaded up in the gun, at the time he loaded additional bullets into the magazine of the same gun (that's my point)! I do not believe that what Jones and Jones said about those additional 5 bullets, and I do not for one moment accept that what Jeremy says he said to them is true at all..
'I don't think there were any bullets already in the guns ammunition magazine when he (Jeremy) loaded up the gun himself in the kitchen' - it seems to me to have been too convenient for Jones and Jones to raise the matter in the manner that they did, and just as convenient for Jeremy to answer in the way he did answer them back...
I believe that those additional 5 bullets, were not only fired from the second rifle used in this shooting tragedy, but that there existed 5 spent cartridge cases with double magazine markings on them (whereas, the other 20 only had one set of such markings on each of them)! However, there still remains a rather intriguingly small detail concerning those 5 spent cartridge cases that had these double magazine markings upon them..
Jones and Jones knew that 5 of the bullets originated from a different batch of .22 LR ammunition, other than any ammunition purchased or owned by the Bambers...
Anthony Pargeter owned such different types of .22 LR bullets, produced by a different ammunition manufacturers, other than Eley , which were known to be kept in storage at the farmhouse, along with his .22 bolt action rifle, silencer, and his shotguns, which were all normally kept in the downstairs toilet...
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Jones and Jones knew that 5 of the bullets originated from a different batch of .22 ammunition, other than any ammunition purchased or owned by the Bambers...
These 5 additional bullets, that Jones and Jones, and Jeremy talked about are the 5 heavy .22LR bullets in the list below:-
The 7 Heavy Whole Bullets (*)and 5 light Bullets (**)..
(1) - DRH/35(a) 2.44grns (pillow, main bedroom) * .22 LR Bullet
(2) - DRH/35(b) 2.43grms (pillow, main bedroom)* .22 LR Bullet
(3) - PV/2 2.4267grms (Neville Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(4) - PV/4 2.0999grms (Neville Bamber) **
(5) - PV/19 - 2.16grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(6) - PV/20 - 1.5453grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(7) - PV/23 - 2.29grms (June Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(8) - PV/24 - 2.4208grms (June Bamber) *
(9) - PV/29 - 2.13grms ( twin ) **
(10) - PV /31 - 2.1223grms (twin) **
(11) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms (main bedroom floor) *
(12) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms (twins room) * .22 LR Bullet
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I think JEREMY is now well known for his unfortunate 'Prince Phillip' quips.
I certainly agree there Nigel. He'd have been testing people's sense of humour-----------which clearly wasn't present most of the time with certain people though Julie would have/did know his brand of humour and was used to it until it didn't suit and turned it into more sinister meanings aka the hitman !
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Anthony Pargeter owned such different types of .22 LR bullets, produced by a different ammunition manufacturers, other than Eley , which were known to be kept in storage at the farmhouse, along with his .22 bolt action rifle, silencer, and his shotguns, which were all normally kept in the downstairs toilet...
I believe that I am right in saying, that the other 5 light weighted whole bullets, referred to in the same list, also originated from Anthony Pargeters stash of .22 ammunition that he was known to have purchased at some time prior to the date of the tragedy (a list exists somewhere of all the different types of .22 ammunitions Pargeter had purchased, beforehand), However, that one or two pieces of Pargeters lightweight and dare I say it heavy ammunition may have inadvertently got loaded up into the Anshuzt rifle, and been fired via that weapon!
A typical example of what I am talking about what I am talking about can be seen with reference to the two shots inflicted with police involvement, where the first shot downstairs in the kitchen, was fired via the .bolt action rifle (PV/20), it originally being a piece of Anthony Pargeters ammunition! The second shot received upstairs once cops had switched Sheila's body onto the bedroom floor, was fired by way of the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, but was probably also apiece of the Pargeter ammunition!!!
The 7 Heavy Whole Bullets (*)and 5 light Bullets (**)..
(1) - DRH/35(a) 2.44grns (pillow, main bedroom) * .22 LR Bullet
(2) - DRH/35(b) 2.43grms (pillow, main bedroom)* .22 LR Bullet
(3) - PV/2 2.4267grms (Neville Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(4) - PV/4 2.0999grms (Neville Bamber) **
(5) - PV/19 - 2.16grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(6) - PV/20 - 1.5453grms (Sheila Caffell) **
(7) - PV/23 - 2.29grms (June Bamber) * .22 LR Bullet
(8) - PV/24 - 2.4208grms (June Bamber) *
(9) - PV/29- 2.13grms ( twin ) **
(10) - PV /31 - 2.1223grms (twin) **
(11) - DRH/5 - 2.42grms (main bedroom floor) *
(12) - DRH/36 - 2.42grms (twins room) * .22 LR Bullet
I do not discount the possibility, that the 5 spent cartridge cases, bearing the double magazine markings on them, could have been the 'corresponding spent cartridge cases' of the above '5 lightweighted whole bullets' (PV/4, PV/19, PV/20, PV/29 and PV31)..
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I believe that I am right in suggesting that bullets from the batch of Bamber ammunition and bullets from the Pargeter ammunitions, were used conflictingly in either rifle, where bullets belonging to Pargeters stash somehow managed to get loaded into the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle! But I don't think that any of the Bamber owned ammunition got loaded into, and fired via the other rifle...
It all started off with three ammunition magazines being full of .22 ammunition!
(1) - The anshuzt rifle with its 10 shot magazine containing what I believe to have been (9) Eley .22LR Subsonic Hollow point rounds..
(2) - the bolt action rifle had been preloaded up involving it's two ammunition magazines, with a variety of different types of .22 ammunition belonging to Anthony Pargeter (a) a 10 shot magazine that was fully loaded, and (b) a 5 shot magazine also fully loaded...
At some point during the shootings, the 5 rounds in the 5 shot magazine, got transferred into the 10 shot magazine belonging to either weapon (2), or weapon (1)...
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I believe that I am right in suggesting that bullets from the batch of Bamber ammunition and bullets from the Pargeter ammunitions, were used conflictingly in either rifle, where bullets belonging to Pargeters stash somehow managed to get loaded into the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle! But I don't think that any of the Bamber owned ammunition got loaded into, and fired via the other rifle...
It all started off with three ammunition magazines being full of .22 ammunition!
(1) - The anshuzt rifle with its 10 shot magazine containing what I believe to have been (9) Eley .22LR Subsonic Hollow point rounds..
(2) - the bolt action rifle had been preloaded up involving it's two ammunition magazines, with a variety of different types of .22 ammunition belonging to Anthony Pargeter (a) a 10 shot magazine that was fully loaded, and (b) a 5 shot magazine also fully loaded...
At some point during the shootings, the 5 rounds in the 5 shot magazine, got transferred into the 10 shot magazine belonging to either weapon (2), or weapon (1)...
Once the 14 spent bullet cases (MDF/1) held at the Lab' are identified it will be possible to say with almost complete certainty, which and whose bullets got fired from the first rifle, and which tprounds had been transferred from the 5 shot magazine, into whichever 10 shot magazine!
My instinct is telling me, that both of the bullets used in the shooting of Sheila Caffell downstairs in the kitchen, and later on upstairs in the bedroom, involved 2 pieces of Pargeters owned .22 ammunition, albeit fired from different guns, where PV/20 was fired via the .22 bolt action rifle, and PV/19 was fired by way of the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle - for some reason or other then, at least one of the original 15 pieces of Pargeters ammunition used in this shooting tragedy, ended up being fired by way of the anshuzt rifle (apparently PV/19 being the very last bullet that was fired at the scene)...
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I am now report, that evidence is available confirming that Essex police and it's ballistic expert, faked the batch of crime scene ammunition for the sole purpose of presenting these shootings as a one gun crime, and that these introduced at least 3 test fired rounds (bullets) into the batch of 25 crime scene bullets...
It has been well documented here, that I have exposed the way with which, the original piece of badly fragmented bullet that was PV/20...
Here, I demonstrate by a reliance upon the fact that during the autopsies performed by Peter Venezis, he did not recover a total of 3 bullets from the corpses of the twin victims - one of these 3 missing bullets can be accounted for by reference to exhibit DRH/36 which was a loose bullet found inside the twins bedroom, but 2 other bullets were never recovered...
This is astonishing, since with 2 bullets unrecovered, and a total of 25 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, and only 25 spent cartridge cases found at the scene, and only 25 bullet entry wounds, and a total of only 5 exit wounds, how could a further 2 bullets be unaccounted for?
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I am now report, that evidence is available confirming that Essex police and it's ballistic expert, faked the batch of crime scene ammunition for the sole purpose of presenting these shootings as a one gun crime, and that these introduced at least 3 test fired rounds (bullets) into the batch of 25 crime scene bullets...
It has been well documented here, that I have exposed the way with which, the original piece of badly fragmented bullet that was PV/20...
Here, I demonstrate by a reliance upon the fact that during the autopsies performed by Peter Venezis, he did not recover a total of 3 bullets from the corpses of the twin victims - one of these 3 missing bullets can be accounted for by reference to exhibit DRH/36 which was a loose bullet found inside the twins bedroom, but 2 other bullets were never recovered...
This is astonishing, since with 2 bullets unrecovered, and a total of 25 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, and only 25 spent cartridge cases found at the scene, and only 25 bullet entry wounds, and a total of only 5 exit wounds, how could a further 2 bullets be unaccounted for?
But...
A total of 1 bullets which were not recovered from the corpses of the twins during autopsy performed by Peter Venesis on 8th August 1985, remain improperly accounted for, because with these 1 unrecovered bullets there should have been 26 bullet entry wounds, 26 spent cartridge cases, and 26 crime scene bullets!!!!!!!!
1. Bullets not recovered, 1 missing bullet entry wounds, and 1 missing spent cartridge cases!
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But...
A total of 2 bullets which were not recovered from the corpses of the twins during autopsy performed by Peter Venesis on 8th August 1985, remain improperly accounted for, because with these 2 unrecovered bullets there should have been 27 bullet entry wounds, 27 spent cartridge cases, and 27 crime scene bullets!!!!!!!!
2. Bullets not recovered, 2 missing bullet entry wounds, 2 missing spent cartridge cases!
What we are dealing with here, is a massive State cover up, involving Essex police, Special Branch, the Coroner, the ballistic expert, the blood expert, anfpd of course, the Pathologist, Peter Venezis!
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What we are dealing with here, is a massive State cover up, involving Essex police, Special Branch, the Coroner, the ballistic expert, the blood expert, anfpd of course, the Pathologist, Peter Venezis!
Let me deal with the involvement of Peter Venezis...
Remember, he is also at the heart of the Princess Diana debacle...
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Let me deal with the involvement of Peter Venezis...
Remember, he is also at the heart of the Princess Diana debacle...
He it was, who recovered a total of 25 bullets, parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, from the corpses of the five victims, during autopsies that he performed on the bodies of the victims, 7th and 8th August 1985...
What I have discovered, relates to the total number of bullets, etc, that 'he' recovered from the corpses of the twin boy victims - just to hit the nail on the head, these were (1) - PV/29, (2) - PV/30, (3) - PV/31, (4) - PV/34, (5) - PV/35 and (6) - PV/36
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He it was, who recovered a total of 25 bullets, parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, from the corpses of the five victims, during autopsies that he performed on the bodies of the victims, 7th and 8th August 1985...
What I have discovered, relates to the total number of bullets, etc, that 'he' recovered from the corpses of the twin boy victims - just to hit the nail on the head, these were (1) - PV/29, (2) - PV/30, (3) - PV/31, (4) - PV/34, (5) - PV/35 and (6) - PV/36
Here is the current delemna...
Daniel Caffell, shot 5 times, he had 5 bullet entry wounds with no exits wounds - Venezis only recovered 4 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet from this child victim (PV/29, PV/34, PV/35 and PV/36)! Whilst Venezis, recovered only 2 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, from Nicholas Caffell (PV/30, and PV/31) - but according to the autopsy diagrams Nicholas endured a solitary exit wound which must relate to bullet DRH/36 found in the twins bedroom...
We therefore have an anomaly, 8 bullet entry wounds inflicted upon the child victims, 8 spent cartridge cases recovered from the bedroom where they slept and died, but only 7 bullets accounted for (6 from the corpses during Venezia's autopsies, and a single loose bullet found in the bedroom where the child victims were found!
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Here is the current delemna...
Daniel Caffell, shot 5 times, he had 5 bullet entry wounds with no exits wounds - Venezis only recovered 4 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet from this child victim (PV/29, PV/34, PV/35 and PV/36)! Whilst Venezis, recovered only 2 bullets, or parts of a bullet, or a fragment of a bullet, from Nicholas Caffell (PV/30, and PV/31) - but according to the autopsy diagrams Nicholas endured a solitary exit wound which must relate to bullet DRH/36 found in the twins bedroom...
We therefore have an anomaly, 8 bullet entry wounds inflicted upon the child victims, 8 spent cartridge cases recovered from the bedroom where they slept and died, but only 7 bullets accounted for (6 from the corpses during Venezia's autopsies, and a single loose bullet found in the bedroom where the child victims were found!
Seems to me, that these conspirators have 'shot themselves in the foot', since in their haste to frame Jeremy Bamber as the murderer, they dropped a humongous clanger concerning the batch of crime scene ammunition, the no. Of bullet entry wounds, and the no. Of spent cartridge cases recovered at the scene!
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Seems to me, that these conspirators have 'shot themselves in the foot', since in their haste to frame Jeremy Bamber as the murderer, they dropped a humongous clanger concerning the batch of crime scene ammunition, the no. Of bullet entry wounds, and the no. Of spent cartridge cases recovered at the scene!
As things have stood for going on 32 years, Jeremy Bamber has stood convicted of having committed crimes, involving the shooting dead of 5 members of his own family, who it was claimed at his trial, and ever since, including the failed 2002 appeal, of (he) having fired a total of 25 bullets callously causing these deaths, based upon there having been only 25 bullet entry wounds, the recovery of 25 bullet cartridge cases, and 25 corresponding bullets either from the bodies of victims (20), or the scene (5), and yet everyone has 'OVERLOOKED' the single bullet which the pathologist, Peter Venezis failed to recover from the head of Daniel Caffell...
What this demonstrates is that the State in all its glory, has dropped a humongous clanger, in their haste to prosecute and to convict Jeremy Bamber of these murders, they basically have stitched him up, by tampering with the batches of crime scene ammunition (bullets and spent cartridge cases), the silencers, the blood and paint evidence...
Peter Venesis, pathologist 'is at the heart' of this conspiracy!
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As things have stood for going on 32 years, Jeremy Bamber has stood convicted of having committed crimes, involving the shooting dead of 5 members of his own family, who it was claimed at his trial, and ever since, including the failed 2002 appeal, of (he) having fired a total of 25 bullets callously causing these deaths, based upon there having been only 25 bullet entry wounds, the recovery of 25 bullet cartridge cases, and 25 corresponding bullets either from the bodies of victims (20), or the scene (5), and yet everyone has 'OVERLOOKED' the single bullet which the pathologist, Peter Venezis failed to recover from the head of Daniel Caffell...
What this demonstrates is that the State in all its glory, has dropped a humongous clanger, in their haste to prosecute and to convict Jeremy Bamber of these murders, they basically have stitched him up, by tampering with the batches of crime scene ammunition (bullets and spent cartridge cases), the silencers, the blood and paint evidence...
Peter Venesis, pathologist 'is at the heart' of this conspiracy!
Venezis knows (as I do) that he did not recover the 26th bullet from the corpse of Daniel Caffell!
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Daniel Caffell, shot 5 times, had 5 bullet entry wounds, but Venezis only recovered 4 bullets, part bullets, or fragments of a bullet from this deceased who did not have any exit wounds!
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Two child victims, Daniel (5) and Nicholas Caffell (3), shot according to the evidence as relied upon by the Crown at Bambers trial, a total of 8 times between them, yet only 6 bullets recovered by way of autopsy, and a solitary bullet recovered from the bedroom where they both slept when shot and killed! Nicholas Caffell being the only victim inside that bedroom who spotted an exit wound...
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Mike,
From the 2002 report, they only tested 18 bullets:
100. "Following removal of the bags at the mortuary, Sheila Caffell's hands
and forehead were swabbed. Extremely low traces of lead were detected when the swabs were examined. Such levels being consistent with the levels found from the handling of every day things around the house. These results were compared to hand swabs taken from volunteers at the laboratory who were required to load the magazine with eighteen rounds of ammunition. Significantly higher
traces of lead were found than those recorded on the hands of Mrs Caffell. The scientist Mr Elliott gave evidence that if Sheila Caffell had loaded eighteen cartridges into a magazine he would have expected the hand swabs to have revealed appreciably higher deposits of lead."
Is there a reason they only loaded 18 not 25 bullets?
thanks
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Two child victims, Daniel (5) and Nicholas Caffell (3), shot according to the evidence as relied upon by the Crown at Bambers trial, a total of 8 times between them, yet only 6 bullets recovered by way of autopsy, and a solitary bullet recovered from the bedroom where they both slept when shot and killed! Nicholas Caffell being the only victim inside that bedroom who spotted an exit wound...
Question marks now hang over the reputation of the pathologist, Peter Venezis!!!
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Mike,
From the 2002 report, they only tested 18 bullets:
100. "Following removal of the bags at the mortuary, Sheila Caffell's hands
and forehead were swabbed. Extremely low traces of lead were detected when the swabs were examined. Such levels being consistent with the levels found from the handling of every day things around the house. These results were compared to hand swabs taken from volunteers at the laboratory who were required to load the magazine with eighteen rounds of ammunition. Significantly higher
traces of lead were found than those recorded on the hands of Mrs Caffell. The scientist Mr Elliott gave evidence that if Sheila Caffell had loaded eighteen cartridges into a magazine he would have expected the hand swabs to have revealed appreciably higher deposits of lead."
Is there a reason they only loaded 18 not 25 bullets?
thanks
Do you think it was 18 because 7 were fired from the PARGETOR rifle?
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Question marks now hang over the reputation of the pathologist, Peter Venezis!!!
I cannot believe that Venezis has dropped such a fundamental clanger, and that in the 32 years which have elapsed, until now, that he has not sought to rectify this highly significant discrepancy, so as to extrapolate himself from this cover up, and the false case relied upon at Jeremy Bambers 1988 trial, and since!
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Do you think it was 18 because 7 were fired from the PARGETOR rifle?
Nigel, your 'A STAR'...
What springs to mind instantaneously is that this had something to do with the other 7 bullets all having originated from the batch of Anthony Pargeters batch of .22 ammunition, which as you know consisted of a variety of different types of manufactured .22 ammunitions, including the fact that the 2 rounds used in the shooting of Sheila, albeit 1 of these rounds was fired via the second rifle, whereas the other 1 was fired via the anshuzt rifle...
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Nigel, your 'A STAR'...
What springs to mind instantaneously is that this had something to do with the other 7 bullets all having originated from the batch of Anthony Pargeters batch of .22 ammunition, which as you know consisted of a variety of different types of manufactured .22 ammunitions, including the fact that the 2 rounds used in the shooting of Sheila, albeit 1 of these rounds was fired via the second rifle, whereas the other 1 was fired via the anshuzt rifle...
I think that when the experiment was performed at the Lab' involving volunteers who only loaded 18 bullets into the magazine was because Jeremy told the police that he had loaded up the magazine, so if Sheila had been the shooter, she would have needed to reload at least 15, or more rounds into the ammunition magazine in order to be able to carry out the shootings if it had only been a one gun crime (but I think it was a 2 gun crime)!
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Here, look at this...
Do you see the tentative link between the eventual death of Princess Diana, and the whf tragedy involving these five deaths, and of course, the involvement of the very same pathologist, Peter Venezis?
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2002 report below..
248. During this conversation the appellant said he saw rabbits outside the
house so he took the .22 rifle from the office/den, loaded it with eight to ten rounds from a box of ammunition that he left in the kitchen and went outside. In fact he fired no shots outside and he then left the gun in the kitchen having removed the magazine and the bullet which was in the breach. The appellant said he had left the farmhouse shortly before 10 p.m. Nobody then appeared distressed and he drove home. He went to bed at about 11 p.m.
Okay so minimum of 8 max 10 according to Jeremy..
So 8 (minimum) + 17 = 25
Still not 18?
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2002 report below..
248. During this conversation the appellant said he saw rabbits outside the
house so he took the .22 rifle from the office/den, loaded it with eight to ten rounds from a box of ammunition that he left in the kitchen and went outside. In fact he fired no shots outside and he then left the gun in the kitchen having removed the magazine and the bullet which was in the breach. The appellant said he had left the farmhouse shortly before 10 p.m. Nobody then appeared distressed and he drove home. He went to bed at about 11 p.m.
Okay so minimum of 8 max 10 according to Jeremy..
So 8 (minimum) + 17 = 25
Still not 18?
I know about this contradiction - it's what I have been trying to fathom out for nigh on three decades...
The bottom line, is that 18 bullets were originally sent to the lab', and that this either excluded the 2 rounds (PV/19 and PV/20) used in the shooting of Sheila Caffell, or that the 2 bullets attributed as being recovered from the pillow in the main bedroom (DRH/35(a), and DRH/35(b), were themselves excluded, (18 + 2 = 20), plus the 5 loose bullets (DRH/5, DRH/9, DRH/35(a), DRH/35(b), and DRH/36)...
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I know about this contradiction - it's what I have been trying to fathom out for nigh on three decades...
The bottom line, is that 18 bullets were originally sent to the lab', and that this either excluded the 2 rounds (PV/19 and PV/20) used in the shooting of Sheila Caffell, or that the 2 bullets attributed as being recovered from the pillow in the main bedroom (DRH/35(a), and DRH/35(b), were themselves excluded, (18 + 2 = 20), plus the 5 loose bullets (DRH/5, DRH/9, DRH/35(a), DRH/35(b), and DRH/36)...
Is there any possibility the 7 were not sent with the 18 because they (the 7) were fired by a different rifle or differed in some way to the 18?
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Seems rather odd to me this number 18 appearing twice at the lab....
It must be something to do with the substitution of bullets out of the original batch of 25, that were subsequestly switched, by replacing them with unofficial test fired rounds which they fired via the Anshuzt rifle post the date of the tragedy, because there were only a total of (7) .22 LR Bullets identified in the investigation (18 + (7) = 25)...
But, whoever did this did not bargain for people like us coming along and noticing this contradiction, inconsistency, etc...