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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 12:21:PM

Title: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 12:21:PM
Once again the subject of Jeremy asking for money has been bought up again on the red forum. I can only speak for myself and the fact is Jeremy never asked me for anything no money and not even a stamp. Why didn’t he ? While apparently he asked these anonymous posters?
I know he was desperate for expensive tests to be carried out in the lead up to the last application to the CCRC and that was because very strangely the CCRC had suddenly told Jeremy he had a limited time to put his application forward when he had previously been told differently. I know people help Jeremy and have helped Jeremy in the past but I just do not believe threats would be made during a recorded prison conversation.
I also find it very strange that a women with a family would even be visiting Jeremy ??? 
Jeremy’s visiting times are very limited.
During the time I was in contact with Jeremy by telephone I encouraged him not to waste his phone cards phoning me but he should be talking more about his case to NGB (I am sure NGB would confirm this)
Never once did I ask to visit Jeremy or even expect to be asked to visit him. Anything important could be said on the telephone or by email or by post.
He is innocent and I hope one day he gets to thank the genuine people who have supported him over the years.
This is not a game. This is someone’s life the campaign team are playing with
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 01:53:PM
I don't know what's been written on the other forum and people will have to speak for themselves. Didn't you mislead us over sending stamps to Jeremy, if my memory serves me right?
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 02:07:PM
I don't know what's been written on the other forum and people will have to speak for themselves. Didn't you mislead us over sending stamps to Jeremy, if my memory serves me right?

I sent some stamps to Jeremy as I have stated as fact
Jeremy never asked me for ANYTHING not even a stamp

Maybe you would like to copy and post where I have stated Jeremy asked me for stamps

It didn’t break the bank but I wanted to make sure he had enough stamps during the time Simon McKay was involved
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 02:09:PM
I sent some stamps to Jeremy as I have stated as fact
Jeremy never asked me for ANYTHING not even a stamp

Maybe you would like to copy and post where I have stated Jeremy asked me for stamps

It didn’t break the bank but I wanted to make sure he had enough stamps during the time Simon McKay was involved
I can't be bothered as I've had a hard week and church activities today. But you did try to mislead members in the past as you well know.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 02:50:PM
I can't be bothered as I've had a hard week and church activities today. But you did try to mislead members in the past as you well know.

Explain

Also could you say how many days months did Mugford mislead Colin, the relatives and the police

A rough idea would be ok
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 06:41:PM
Explain

Also could you say how many days months did Mugford mislead Colin, the relatives and the police

A rough idea would be ok
It's a bit rich from any Bamber supporter to mention him and Colin in the same breath. Julie let herself be conned by a psychopath for almost two years, a man who is still conning many others so it appears.

I stand by my charge that you mislead members a couple of years ago as to your association with Bamber.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 06:49:PM
It's a bit rich from any Bamber supporter to mention him and Colin in the same breath. Julie let herself be conned by a psychopath for almost two years, a man who is still conning many others so it appears.

I stand by my charge that you mislead members a couple of years ago as to your association with Bamber.

Julie conned the jury and conned colin
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 07:04:PM
Julie conned the jury and conned colin
..and Jeremy conned you and continues to do so to this day.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 07:57:PM
..and Jeremy conned you and continues to do so to this day.


How exactly did Jeremy con me

That’s rich coming from you, remember Julie’s spending spree when she was conning shop keepers
What excuse do you have for that????
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 08:01:PM

How exactly did Jeremy con me

That’s rich coming from you, remember Julie’s spending spree when she was conning shop keepers
What excuse do you have for that????
It was nothing compared to the crimes her boyfriend committed. For goodness' sake..
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2018, 08:33:PM
It's a bit rich from any Bamber supporter to mention him and Colin in the same breath. Julie let herself be conned by a psychopath for almost two years, a man who is still conning many others so it appears.

I stand by my charge that you mislead members a couple of years ago as to your association with Bamber.
If Julie knew JB was the murderer and stayed at Colin"s flat commiserating with him about the death of his boys then she should not be mentioned in the dame breath either.  I cannot see how anyone can excuse such behavour.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: David1819 on April 29, 2018, 08:40:PM
If Julie knew JB was the murderer and stayed at Colin"s flat commiserating with him about the death of his boys then she should not be mentioned in the dame breath either.  I cannot see how anyone can excuse such behavour.

Does Colin mention JM in his book?

I really need to get myself a copy  :-\
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2018, 08:56:PM
Does Colin mention JM in his book?

I really need to get myself a copy  :-\
I can't remember David, quite a while since I read it
 
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 08:59:PM
It was nothing compared to the crimes her boyfriend committed. For goodness' sake..

There you go Steve

https://goo.gl/images/t3f9YM

You would have us believe that Mugford stood right by Colin comforting Jeremy when she ‘knew’ her boyfriend was responsible for the children’s deaths

Mugford made the whole story up after she realised she wasn’t strong enough to smother Jeremy
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 09:19:PM
If Julie knew JB was the murderer and stayed at Colin"s flat commiserating with him about the death of his boys then she should not be mentioned in the dame breath either.  I cannot see how anyone can excuse such behavour.
Nobody is excusing it.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 09:20:PM
Does Colin mention JM in his book?

I really need to get myself a copy  :-\
Yes but the conversation remains private to this day.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: JackieD on April 29, 2018, 09:33:PM
Nobody is excusing it.

You excuse it all the time

1) she was young
2) she was in love

When will the penny drop and you realise she made the whole lot up and again for financial gain
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2018, 10:04:PM
Nobody is excusing it.
It was appalling, whatever her situation that was appalling.  I hope Colin told her exactly what he thought.  Yes she was young but she was no shrinking violet,  she chose to stay with JB and support him. She either lied to Colin and so many others or she lied to the court
 Nothing to be proud of there and inexcusable.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: David1819 on April 29, 2018, 10:20:PM
I am still yet to hear of a single plausible coincidence theory to explain the overwhelming factual discrepancies in Julies evidence.

If you cant put-forward a plausible coincidence theory, then you have no choice but the accept the only logical conclusion - She lied!
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 10:40:PM
It was appalling, whatever her situation that was appalling.  I hope Colin told her exactly what he thought.  Yes she was young but she was no shrinking violet,  she chose to stay with JB and support him. She either lied to Colin and so many others or she lied to the court
 Nothing to be proud of there and inexcusable.
When did she lie to Colin?
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2018, 10:58:PM
When did she lie to Colin?
She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and amoral.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2018, 11:14:PM
She 'lied' by pretending JB was innocent, staying with him at Colin's flat after the deaths.  If she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty at that time which aparrently she did then she was highly devious and lied by her actions. How can you not find her action appalling?  Colin had lost his two beloved boys, JB and JM go to stay with him no doubt supposedly to support and comfort him. If JB is guilty JM knowingly chose to play along with Bamber and deceive Colin. in my book that's living a lie and amoral.
Living a lie yes. Who killed the boys?
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 30, 2018, 12:26:AM
Living a lie yes. Who killed the boys?
That's a different argument. Either JB is innocent and she lied to the court or he was guilty and she deceived Colin in a most cruel way.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: David1819 on April 30, 2018, 12:40:AM
That's a different argument. Either JB is innocent and she lied to the court or he was guilty and she deceived Colin in a most cruel way.


A guilty Jeremy does not negate the discrepancies in her testimony. If Jeremy is guilty she still lied to the court.

Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: maggie on April 30, 2018, 12:47:AM

A guilty Jeremy does not negate the discrepancies in her testimony. If Jeremy is guilty she still lied to the court.
OK  not in anyway trying to protect JM, she was guilty of criminal activity in any event and was far from naïve.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2018, 08:21:AM
Compare JM's "diary" with that of what RWB had written along with SJ's musings. Little of what JM wrote was in her own words !
EP also presented/altered/edited statements which had been comparable to each others.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2018, 08:35:AM
Had the court known of JM's motive at the trial ( guilty verdict ) then the case would definitely have turned on its head. Does everyone agree ?? If not there's something radically wrong with your train of thought.
Had the relatives been aware of this " little arrangement ?". £25,000 for her,half a million for them !! Not bad for a days work.
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2018, 09:24:AM
JM an actress in the making !! Falling about in floods of tears when questioned by the defence------so much so that they gave up on her. Yet perfectly composed when it came to the prosecution.!!
Anyone who KNOWS that they're being truthful does NOT break down !! Tears are Lies !

It was a worse scenario than the " coughing " fraud in " Who wants to be a Millionaire ".
Title: Re: The Facts
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2018, 10:14:AM
Much has been said about JB having known that his sister had been/was unwell and so had blamed her-------------but he HADN'T known as the only person who HAD known about Sheila was Colin himself who'd had little to say about their years together. This is evident in all police reports where it's " all about Jeremy !"

Maybe Sheila's behaviour had led Colin to near breaking point,as it certainly would if you spent 24/7 with her and that he'd been so drained towards the end that words wouldn't come to describe his situation and therefore blocking himself off. He could have had a breakdown of sorts and had been left in a vulnerable situation with his sons gone along with the woman he once loved and probably knew inside that it was she who'd put an end to everyone that out of love and loyalty to Sheila he'd preferred to follow the route that it had been her brother. He'd had nothing more to lose at that stage but would have known that Sheila had been unpredictable.