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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on April 11, 2018, 11:38:AM
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There is a lot to consider, and to take into account in this matter!
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There is a lot to consider, and to take into account in this matter!
To my mind, everything rests upon Jeremy Bambers ability to have had some involvement, or other, in his sister's death, and the stage managing of her death scene on her parents bedroom floor!
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However, I shall start this thread off by drawing attention to Sheila Caffell's mental illness, and the dramatic effects brought on by 'a drastic reduction in her haloperidol medication' weeks before the tragedy, which brought on a condition known as 'akathisia'...
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However, I shall start this thread off by drawing attention to Sheila Caffell's mental illness, and the dramatic effects brought on by 'a drastic reduction in her haloperidol medication' weeks before the tragedy, which brought on a condition known as 'akathisia'...
It is to my knowledge that due to the drastic reduction in her medication (her dosage of haloperidol was halved weeks before by her doctor, without consultation of her psychiatrist), that Sheila's mental illness worsened dramatically, making her more aggressive with the risk of harm she might cause to other people in the ascendency, imperative!
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I have painstakingly studied the symptoms brought about at the onset of drug induced Akathisia and identified the known fact that a reduction in a patient's medication, such as haloperidol, is likely to bring aggressive behaviour into a person's character, which otherwise would not have been present!
What is important in this case, are the views of persons who witnessed her behaviour after the reduction in her medication had taken place, and not simply to rely upon her bahavioural characteristics beforehand!
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To my mind, everything rests upon Jeremy Bambers ability to have had some involvement, or other, in his sister's death, and the stage managing of her death scene on her parents bedroom floor!
He may have had foreknowledge that a serious incident might take place. He may have had foreknowledge that his sister intended to commit suicide. He may have had foreknowledge that she intended more. He could have 'assisted' Sheila by concocting a reason to leave the gun out for her. Then all he had to do was take a step back and wait to see what took place. He could not have actively assisted Sheila, if she had indeed 'gone berserk'. However, if what Sheila did was planned by her beforehand and she carried it out while retaining some control of her faculties, that would make more sense for any scenario where jeremy somehow actively assisted. But not much more sense.
I think it more likely that she saw the opportunity available, she also went berserk and Jeremy had no foreknowledge - which is exactly why he couldn't tell Colin what had taken place and exactly why he and the defence have had to fit things together piece by piece over 33 years. The jigsaw is probably only three quarters done. It may be impossible to complete in its entirety.
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Both a reduction as well as an overdose of Haloperidol can cause a huge" meltdown " in behaviour caused by the effect that the chemical has on the brain.
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I have painstakingly studied the symptoms brought about at the onset of drug induced Akathisia and identified the known fact that a reduction in a patient's medication, such as haloperidol, is likely to bring aggressive behaviour into a person's character, which otherwise would not have been present!
What is important in this case, are the views of persons who witnessed her behaviour after the reduction in her medication had taken place, and not simply to rely upon her bahavioural characteristics beforehand!
Having said that, even prior to the reduction in her haloperidol treatment taking place, there existed periods of violence, aggression and fear which she imposed, or directed at other people, as evidenced by the accounts of some of Sheila Caffell's friends who made witness statements to the police expressing the fears they had when Sheila had 'one of her turns'...
Emani 'feared for his life's, on occasions, and he feared for the safety of other people, including small children Sheila had been minding at the time of one such relapse!
Exactly how anyone, can say that Sheila wasn't the kind of person to be violent, or aggressive, or be able to instill genuine fear in other people when she was that way inclined, therefore has to be dismissed readily! Sheila had her moments, in which had you been present in her company at such a time, you would have feared for your own safety, for the safety of others...
That was the situation prior to the reduction in her haloperidol treatment!
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Both a reduction as well as an overdose of Haloperidol can cause a huge" meltdown " in behaviour caused by the effect that the chemical has on the brain.
I am with you, Lookout. Please bear with me..
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Here is the definitive truth - something that her doctors, her psychiatrist know to be the truth but is that which they deliberately chose to conceal from the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for his sister's murder!
It was irrelevant in many ways that Sheila Caffell had been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia until her death inside the farmhouse on the morning of 7th August 1985. Since, she was quite obviously also afflicted by another condition which made her behaviour more aggressive due to the recent reduction in her haloperidol medication'!
Agressiveness...
It is known that a drastic reduction in medication such as haloperidol, can induce a condition known as 'Akathisia', including an increase in aggression, where other people are put at an increased risk of becoming harmed by the patient!
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Here is the definitive truth - something that her doctors, her psychiatrist know to be the truth but is that which they deliberately chose to conceal from the court which tried Jeremy Bamber for his sister's murder!
It was irrelevant in many ways that Sheila Caffell had been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia until her death inside the farmhouse on the morning of 7th August 1985. Since, she was quite obviously also afflicted by another condition which made her behaviour more aggressive due to the recent reduction in her haloperidol medication'!
Agressiveness...
It is known that a drastic reduction in medication such as haloperidol, can induce a condition known as 'Akathisia', including an increase in aggression, where other people are put at an increased risk of becoming harmed by the patient!
Here is the evidence:-
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Here, lays the foundation behind the killings of the other four victims in this tragedy - brought on by the mismanagement of Sheila Caffell's medication by her doctor (without the knowledge or consent of Sheila Caffell's psychiatrist)!
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Here, lays the foundation behind the killings of the other four victims in this tragedy - brought on by the mismanagement of Sheila Caffell's medication by her doctor (without the knowledge or consent of Sheila Caffell's psychiatrist)!
Pity Kris Mrksa won't be interested in this possibility.
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Here, lays the foundation behind the killings of the other four victims in this tragedy - brought on by the mismanagement of Sheila Caffell's medication by her doctor (without the knowledge or consent of Sheila Caffell's psychiatrist)!
The consequences of halving her 300 MLS of haloperidol, halved to 150 MLS, weeks before the tragedy, brought about an uncontrollable change in Sheila Caffell's behaviour, which no-one could have witnessed prior to the early hours of 7th August 1985, because literally Sheila's dosage of haloperidol had never been reduced until weeks before the tragedy! Sheila started to suffer from and with a drug induced 'aggression' she had not shown symptoms of previously! Prior to this moment in time, other people had never really been in any sort of danger from her bahavioural outbursts, not her boyfriend, Freddie Emani, or her children, or anybody else's children, but all this changed once her doctor agreed to reduce by half her monthly intake of haloperidol!
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The doctor who halved the dosage of haloperidol prescribed by her psychiatrist has to be somewhat held accountable for what Sheila became capable of doing from the point where the dosage of haloperidol was provided!
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I have painstakingly studied the symptoms brought about at the onset of drug induced Akathisia and identified the known fact that a reduction in a patient's medication, such as haloperidol, is likely to bring aggressive behaviour into a person's character, which otherwise would not have been present!
What is important in this case, are the views of persons who witnessed her behaviour after the reduction in her medication had taken place, and not simply to rely upon her bahavioural characteristics beforehand!
This is true but Sheila did not demonstrate symptoms of the illness: https://youtu.be/vcy-oDM5XHs
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The doctor who halved the dosage of haloperidol prescribed by her psychiatrist has to be somewhat held accountable for what Sheila became capable of doing from the point where the dosage of haloperidol was provided!
The claims made by relatives who had only seen her months before the date when Sheila's medication was drastically reduced, where they claim she was docile, and did not have the capability to handle anything confidently, 'no hand eye, co-ordination', etc, etc, etc, never saw her, or met her, or spoke to her after the medication had been halved...
This to me, serves to nullify any evidence they may have presented expressing these beliefs, other than to say that, this was what she she like prior to her medication being dramatically halved...
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This is true but Sheila did not demonstrate symptoms of the illness: https://youtu.be/vcy-oDM5XHs
It may well be true in the build up to the tragedy, particularly after the call from Pamela Boutflour at around 10pm, on the 6th August 1985..
I note that the clip you have referred me to, does not identify or deal with the symptoms of aggression, and the increased risk to other people becoming harmed in these instances, similar to the harm which Neville Bamber, and the rest of the victims had to deal with during the tragedy at whf...
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The claims made by relatives who had only seen her months before the date when Sheila's medication was drastically reduced, where they claim she was docile, and did not have the capability to handle anything confidently, 'no hand eye, co-ordination', etc, etc, etc, never saw her, or met her, or spoke to her after the medication had been halved...
This to me, serves to nullify any evidence they may have presented expressing these beliefs, other than to say that, this was what she she like prior to her medication being dramatically halved...
EP are to blame for hanging on to every word that the relatives had stated.
The damage had already been done to Sheila's brain which had been altered by the various medications and her heavier use of cannabis and the odd cocaine intake during the last 12 months of her life.
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It may well be true in the build up to the tragedy, particularly after the call from Pamela Boutflour at around 10pm, on the 6th August 1985..
I note that the clip you have referred me to, does not identify or deal with the symptoms of aggression, and the increased risk to other people becoming harmed in these instances, similar to the harm which Neville Bamber, and the rest of the victims had to deal with during the tragedy at whf...
We need to look deeper, into many different symptoms, involving many different people, suffering from many different conditions, and taking different medications, and the complete side effects these unfortunate individuals are enduring!
For those of you who are truly interested in the truth in this case, I am begging you to watch this video clip from start to finish, because I believe that it provides the ultimate insight into Sheila Caffell's mindset at the time she wiped out her mother and her kids, and eventually the father that she loved and adored!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A
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We need to look deeper, into many different symptoms, involving many different people, suffering from many different conditions, and taking different medications, and the complete side effects these unfortunate individuals are enduring!
For those of you who are truly interested in the truth in this case, I am begging you to watch this video clip from start to finish, because I believe that it provides the ultimate insight into Sheila Caffell's mindset at the time she wiped out her mother and her kids, and eventually the father that she loved and adored!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A
'Thoughts of Suicide'...
'Thoughts of dying'...
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The absolute truth is, that 'the medication we are being prescribed' is changing 'what is going on in our brains'...
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The absolute truth is, that 'the medication we are being prescribed' is changing 'what is going on in our brains'...
Unless, you have watched the video link I have posted (https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A), please do not even bother to comment upon anything I have had to say on this Matter!
Do you really know, what was going on inside the mind of Sheila Caffell, when she shot dead her mother and two kids, and much later how she shot and overpowered her father before shooting him dead, too..
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Please, try not to be disrespectful, watch the following link address:-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24926584
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Unless, you have watched the video link I have posted (https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A), please do not even bother to comment upon anything I have had to say on this Matter!
Do you really know, what was going on inside the mind of Sheila Caffell, when she shot dead her mother and two kids, and much later how she shot and overpowered her father before shooting him dead, too..
But these people are hyperactive and eminently noticeable, not behaviour reported by anyone in the village that final week, including eyewitnesses Barry Parker (Tiptree shopkeeper), Michael Horsnell (Vaulty house painter) or Julia and Len Foalkes (family friends.)
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But these people are hyperactive and eminently noticeable, not behaviour reported by anyone in the village that final week, including eyewitnesses Barry Parker (Tiptree shopkeeper), Michael Horsnell (Vaulty house painter) or Julia and Len Foalkes (family friends.)
Yes, I understand that, but no-one truly knows the turmoil raging inside the mind of Sheila Caffell?
Not only that or this but none of the named witnesses say or state that at one time or another, Sheila wasn't showing any of these signs!
Please, if you know of any example where a witness was declaring such symptoms, let me know so that I may take this into account..
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For the purpose of doubt, please rest assured that I am mindful of Sheila Caffell's predicament in the unfolding of this tragedy!
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The side effects of the drastic reduction involving the medication to Sheila Caffell, is foremost in my mind's eye, as we speak!
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The side effects of the drastic reduction involving the medication to Sheila Caffell, is foremost in my mind's eye, as we speak!
I agree, that Sheila Caffell was a victim of this tragedy - but so too were her mother, her father, and of course, her two children, and also, of course Jeremy Bamber, himself..
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I have enough experience in cases such as this one, to know in my own heart that Jeremy Bamber could not have, and that 'he' did not shoot dead his sister, Sheila Caffell, on the floor of his parents bedroom floor!
He couldn't have done 'it', and he 'didn't shoot dead' his sister!
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If Jeremy had been the killer of the other four victims (June, Neville, Daniel and Nicholas), it would have served his intention to get his hands on his parents estate(s), and at some time in the not to distant future, his share of Mabel Speakmans estate, for 'Sheila to have survived the tragedy', rather than to be consumed as part of it!!
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I don't think, or believe that Jeremy Bamber shot dead his sister, or that he staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor!
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If Jeremy had been the killer of the other four victims (June, Neville, Daniel and Nicholas), it would have served his intention to get his hands on his parents estate(s), and at some time in the not to distant future, his share of Mabel Speakmans estate, for 'Sheila to have survived the tragedy', rather than to be consumed as part of it!!
How do you make that out?
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I don't think, or believe that Jeremy Bamber shot dead his sister, or that he staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor!
If Jeremy Bamber had been the killer, he would have wanted, or intended Sheila Caffell to have been found alive, responsible for shooting dead the other four victims..
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How do you make that out?
'Diminished responsibility', if it could be proven that at the time Sheila shot dead the other four victims (in whatever circumstances), Sheila would have arguably been prevented from benefitting from the deaths of her parents, paving the way forward for Jeremy to become the sole beneficiary!
The beneficiary of not only his parents estate(s), but subsequently, Mabel Speakmans estate, or at least 50% of 'it'..
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'Diminished responsibility', if it could be proven that at the time Sheila shot dead the other four victims (in whatever circumstances), Sheila would have arguably been prevented from benefitting from the deaths of her parents, paving the way forward for Jeremy to become the sole beneficiary!
The beneficiary of not only his parents estate(s), but subsequently, Mabel Speakmans estate, or at least 50% of 'it'..
Jeremy's entitlement to benefit from his parents estate(s), and his grandmother's estate, falling by the wayside, because of his conviction for the murders of his family - I simply can't buy into this, considering the age of his grandmother, and his parents..
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Jeremy's entitlement to benefit from his parents estate(s), and his grandmother's estate, falling by the wayside, because of his conviction for the murders of his family - I simply can't buy into this, considering the age of his grandmother, and his parents..
Much more likely, more probable, that the deaths of June, Neville, Daniel and Nicholas, were as a result of a mental embellishment on the part of Sheila Caffell, who was suffering from the withdrawal effects of her haloperidol dosage been halved shortly before the tragedy unfolded...
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If Jeremy had been the killer of the other four victims, it would have been to 'his' advantage for Sheila to remain alive, so that he could benefit from an entitlement to his parents estate(s), and subsequently to his 50% share of Mabel Speakmans estate, in the not too distant future!
Surely..
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If Jeremy had been the killer of the other four victims, it would have been to 'his' advantage for Sheila to remain alive, so that he could benefit from an entitlement to his parents estate(s), and subsequently to his 50% share of Mabel Speakmans estate, in the not too distant future!
Surely..
There is, however, no evidence whatsoever, that Jeremy shot dead his mother, June Bamber, that he shot dead both of his nephews, or that he subsequently shot dead his father, Neville Bamber, or that he left his sister alive, so that she could take the blame and the responsibility for the massacre, to enable him (Jeremy) to acquire any financial gain from this matter, one way or another!
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I think the prosecution's case, in this instance, is one of those cases, where they have made out a false scenario..
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I think the prosecution's case, in this instance, is one of those cases, where they have made out a false scenario..
It would never have been part of Jeremy Bambers intention to kill his sister (as alleged) because he needed her alive, to take the wrap for the shootings, if he was ever going to get his hands, upon his parents estate(s)..
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It would never have been part of Jeremy Bambers intention to kill his sister (as alleged) because he needed her alive, to take the wrap for the shootings, if he was ever going to get his hands, upon his parents estate(s)..
With Sheila alive, and held responsible, in her state of mind, suffering with mental illness, I doubt that she would ever have been deemed a beneficiary in her parents death, or the death of Mabel Speakman!
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You've stole my thunder, Mike, as my next thread on Sheila was going to cover this very topic.
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With Sheila alive, and held responsible, in her state of mind, suffering with mental illness, I doubt that she would ever have been deemed a beneficiary in her parents death, or the death of Mabel Speakman!
If I am wrong about this, then with Sheila Caffell's life being spared, only for the police to be responsible for killing Sheila, the estate(s) of the Bamber parents would not automatically be dispensed to the relatives to 'share out' and 'divvy' between themselves, but rather perhaps Colin Caffell (the father of the two child victims) would have received, Sheila's / Daniels / and Nicholas's entitlement...
Instead, the wealth associated with the people who had been murdered (Neville, June, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas) was split between relatives, the Boutflours, the Eaton's and the Pargeter's...
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If I am wrong about this, then with Sheila Caffell's life being spared, only for the police to be responsible for killing Sheila, the estate(s) of the Bamber parents would not automatically be dispensed to the relatives to 'share out' and 'divvy' between themselves, but rather perhaps Colin Caffell (the father of the two child victims) would have received, Sheila's / Daniels / and Nicholas's entitlement...
Instead, the wealth associated with the people who had been murdered (Neville, June, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas) was split between relatives, the Boutflours, the Eaton's and the Pargeter's...
The very same persons who we find are responsible for the introduction of the Sound Moderator, blood and paint evidence, which ultimately sealed Jeremy Bambers fate!
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If I am wrong about this, then with Sheila Caffell's life being spared, only for the police to be responsible for killing Sheila, the estate(s) of the Bamber parents would not automatically be dispensed to the relatives to 'share out' and 'divvy' between themselves, but rather perhaps Colin Caffell (the father of the two child victims) would have received, Sheila's / Daniels / and Nicholas's entitlement...
Instead, the wealth associated with the people who had been murdered (Neville, June, Sheila, Daniel and Nicholas) was split between relatives, the Boutflours, the Eaton's and the Pargeter's...
Mike,
I know off-topic, but just to take up a point you make above: I think you make an astute observation that, if Jeremy had done this - and given the level of planning that must have gone into it - he must have considered the possibility of keeping Sheila alive and having her either disinherited outright or him acting ad litem. I think you are right when you imply that Jeremy's real interest was not in the killing of his adopted parents or even Sheila herself, but specifically the elimination of the twins.
Let's face it - if Sheila was as mentally-crippled and inept as the anti-Bambers are trying to make out, then what would Jeremy have to fear by keeping her living? He could have schemed to have her confined and any incriminating testimony from her would have been discredited anyway, as she was schizophrenic and Jeremy knew this - and according to anti-Bambers, she was mentally all over the place.
It seems to me that some anti-Bamber posters want to have it both ways in regard to Sheila. On the one hand, she could hardly stand, but then we're expected to believe that Jeremy plotted her role in a murder-suicide scheme. Then when you point to the potential for aggressive and anti-social symptoms that would result from a reduction in medication dosages, suddenly she was showing no symptoms.
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Basically, what I am saying, is that whether or not Jeremy Bamber may have been involved in the murders of at least four members of his family (June, the two child victims, and Neville Bamber), and in the event that he had no involvement in his sister's death, that the estate(s) of the Bamber parents, and subsequently, the estate of Mabel Speakman, may well have been dispensed with to the wrong parties!
Colin Caffell would have been the rightful beneficiary, if Jeremy had shot dead his family, but spared Sheila...
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With Sheila alive, and held responsible, in her state of mind, suffering with mental illness, I doubt that she would ever have been deemed a beneficiary in her parents death, or the death of Mabel Speakman!
Sheila would still have benefitted had she have remained alive and/or living in a secured place of safety. Because a person is mentally ill doesn't deprive them of their dues. Monies left to them would probably be used against their care-------as in a private capacity. Though I'm not altogether sure if they've committed a crime too whether it would apply as opposed to being in a prison where the share is relinquished .
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Colin Caffell would have been the rightful beneficiary, if Jeremy had shot dead his family, but spared Sheila...
But hadn't he divorced her?
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Sheila would still have benefitted had she have remained alive and/or living in a secured place of safety. Because a person is mentally ill doesn't deprive them of their dues. Monies left to them would probably be used against their care-------as in a private capacity. Though I'm not altogether sure if they've committed a crime too whether it would apply as opposed to being in a prison where the share is relinquished .
I do not believe, I could be wrong, that if somebody is held accountable for someone's death that they can still benefit as a beneficiary of the deceased persons estate, even where it is found that the person in question, i.e. the potential beneficiary, is found not to have been of sound mind - I don't know, to be honest, but in any event whether the person was of sound mind, or not, I doubt that such a person (in these circumstances we are talking about Sheila Caffell) would still be entitled to be a beneficiary, simply because they had killed the person, or persons, to which the entitlement relates to...
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Mike,
I know off-topic, but just to take up a point you make above: I think you make an astute observation that, if Jeremy had done this - and given the level of planning that must have gone into it - he must have considered the possibility of keeping Sheila alive and having her either disinherited outright or him acting ad litem. I think you are right when you imply that Jeremy's real interest was not in the killing of his adopted parents or even Sheila herself, but specifically the elimination of the twins.
Let's face it - if Sheila was as mentally-crippled and inept as the anti-Bambers are trying to make out, then what would Jeremy have to fear by keeping her living? He could have schemed to have her confined and any incriminating testimony from her would have been discredited anyway, as she was schizophrenic and Jeremy knew this - and according to anti-Bambers, she was mentally all over the place.
It seems to me that some anti-Bamber posters want to have it both ways in regard to Sheila. On the one hand, she could hardly stand, but then we're expected to believe that Jeremy plotted her role in a murder-suicide scheme. Then when you point to the potential for aggressive and anti-social symptoms that would result from a reduction in medication dosages, suddenly she was showing no symptoms.
Far too risky a strategy, probably considered and rejected, and we know from Julie's statements that his primary targets were his parents, though loose ends were tidied up upon the demise of Sheila and the twins.
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But hadn't he divorced her?
Nigel, I have not yet come across any legally binding evidence, which confirms that Colin Caffell had divorced his wife, Sheila..
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Far too risky a strategy, probably considered and rejected, and we know from Julie's statements that his primary targets were his parents, though loose ends were tidied up upon the demise of Sheila and the twins.
Steve_uk,
I simply cannot fathom out why if Jeremy had been the shooter, why he would shoot dead the first four victims (June, the twins, and Neville Bamber) and keep Sheila alive, and expect to be the sole beneficiary of not only his parents estate(s), but 50% of his grandmother, Mabel Speakmans estate?
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Steve_uk,
I simply cannot fathom out why if Jeremy had been the shooter, why he would shoot dead the first four victims (June, the twins, and Neville Bamber) and keep Sheila alive, and expect to be the sole beneficiary of not only his parents estate(s), but 50% of his grandmother, Mabel Speakmans estate?
Killing everyone, inside whf (June, the twins, Neville Bamber, and Sheila) would have been 'akin to inviting trouble upon himself' from the outset, trouble that someone in Jeremy's position could well afford to do without!
What's your view on this situation?
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Killing everyone, inside whf (June, the twins, Neville Bamber, and Sheila) would have been 'akin to inviting trouble upon himself' from the outset, trouble that someone in Jeremy's position could well afford to do without!
What's your view on this situation?
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Despite all arguments to the contrary..
Sheila was 'not shot dead', either by her own hand, or by a hired hitman, or by Jeremy himself, she survived being shot downstairs in the kitchen by 7.35am, she survived being pronounced as dead on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and she survived being presumed dead whilst laying on top of the bed at 9.05am, and eventually she ended up as literal!y being dead on the bedroom floor between 9.05am, and 9.30am, that morning...
Let's, forget about who shot Sheila Dead after 9.05am...
I say 9.05am, because according to Stan Jones, and Mick Clark, who visited the main bedroom crime scene at about 9.05am, they saw Sheila Caffell's body on the bed, she had a Bible on her chest, and she only had been shot once in the neck by 'that' stage..
There was no gun on Sheila's body at this time, the rifle was resting on the bed, in between the bodies of Sheila and June!
How did the rifle that was resting on the bed in between the bodies of June and Sheila, at 9.05am, manage to be placed in the possession of Sheila Caffell's body on the bedroom floor, in time for DC Oakey (prior to 10.00am), and then for PC Bird (after 11.00am) to capture this in evidence?
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Killing everyone, inside whf (June, the twins, Neville Bamber, and Sheila) would have been 'akin to inviting trouble upon himself' from the outset, trouble that someone in Jeremy's position could well afford to do without!
What's your view on this situation?
But Sheila was the scapegoat, which is why he left the gun out. The Police would be his alibi because he would hurry back to Bourtree Cottage to retrieve the tape from his answering machine of the call he made on the telephone at White House Farm with the last number redial facility.
It was an ingeniously evil plot, which would be nigh on impossible to prove one way or the other, which is why he boasted to Julie it was "the perfect crime" and after 33 years has still not confessed..
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Now..
Despite all arguments to the contrary..
Sheila was 'not shot dead', either by her own hand, or by a hired hitman, or by Jeremy himself, she survived being shot downstairs in the kitchen by 7.35am, she survived being pronounced as dead on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and she survived being presumed dead whilst laying on top of the bed at 9.05am, and eventually she ended up as literal!y being dead on the bedroom floor between 9.05am, and 9.30am, that morning...
Let's, forget about who shot Sheila Dead after 9.05am...
I say 9.05am, because according to Stan Jones, and Mick Clark, who visited the main bedroom crime scene at about 9.05am, they saw Sheila Caffell's body on the bed, she had a Bible on her chest, and she only had been shot once in the neck by 'that' stage..
There was no gun on Sheila's body at this time, the rifle was resting on the bed, in between the bodies of Sheila and June!
How did the rifle that was resting on the bed in between the bodies of June and Sheila, at 9.05am, manage to be placed in the possession of Sheila Caffell's body on the bedroom floor, in time for DC Oakey (prior to 10.00am), and then for PC Bird (after 11.00am) to capture this in evidence?
Everything points to Sheila still having been alive, inside the farmhouse, after armed police forced an entry!
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But Sheila was the scapegoat, which is why he left the gun out. The Police would be his alibi because he would hurry back to Bourtree Cottage to retrieve the tape from his answering machine of the call he made on the telephone at White House Farm with the last number redial facility.
It was an ingeniously evil plot, which would be nigh on impossible to prove one way or the other, which is why he boasted to Julie it was "the perfect crime" and after 33 years has still not confessed..
Forget my association with Jeremy, for just a moment, if you please, I am not controlled in any way by Jeremy Bamber, I can think and I can speak for myself...
I am trying to come to terms with the possibility that Jeremy was in some way responsible for these atrocities, and what I am saying is that in those circumstances it would not have been in Jeremy Bambers interests to shoot dead his sister!
I know that he didn't shoot dead his sister, because I know that Sheila was very much alive inside the farmhouse until exactly 9.13am that morning..
If Jeremy had been the shooter as your implying there was no reason why he would also shoot dead his sister if he had her in mind to be the scapegoat!
A dead, Sheila Caffell, was of no use to himself in the grand scheme of things!
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If the police had not shot Sheila dead, perhaps I would be here now arguing for Jeremy to be arrested and convicted of trying to frame his sister, as the shooter?
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I do not believe, I could be wrong, that if somebody is held accountable for someone's death that they can still benefit as a beneficiary of the deceased persons estate, even where it is found that the person in question, i.e. the potential beneficiary, is found not to have been of sound mind - I don't know, to be honest, but in any event whether the person was of sound mind, or not, I doubt that such a person (in these circumstances we are talking about Sheila Caffell) would still be entitled to be a beneficiary, simply because they had killed the person, or persons, to which the entitlement relates to...
I'm not sure either whether Sheila would still have been entitled under the circumstances,nor if a verdict of unsound mind had she lived,would have made any difference to any entitlement.
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The true facts as now known by myself at this present moment in time, are that Sheila was still alive inside the farmhouse after firearm officers entered the premises at around 7.35am! I put to side for one moment the evidence that she was the dead female body found inside the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber! Neither do I seek to rely on the argument that by 7.45am, that police in the control room at Chelmsford were speaking in terms that the two bodies already found by that stage, involved a murder, and a suicide! Also, forget that there was only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
I am more interested in the position of Sheila Caffell's body at the following times:-
8.44am
9.05am
9.30am
10.00am
11.00am
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Forget my association with Jeremy, for just a moment, if you please, I am not controlled in any way by Jeremy Bamber, I can think and I can speak for myself...
I am trying to come to terms with the possibility that Jeremy was in some way responsible for these atrocities, and what I am saying is that in those circumstances it would not have been in Jeremy Bambers interests to shoot dead his sister!
I know that he didn't shoot dead his sister, because I know that Sheila was very much alive inside the farmhouse until exactly 9.13am that morning..
If Jeremy had been the shooter as your implying there was no reason why he would also shoot dead his sister if he had her in mind to be the scapegoat!
A dead, Sheila Caffell, was of no use to himself in the grand scheme of things!
It's true that after a psychotic episode Sheila never remembered what had occurred during it, but neither had she ever attacked anybody during one.
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Which is all the more reason why she'd have forgotten what she'd done on the 7th of August,Steve.
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It's true that after a psychotic episode Sheila never remembered what had occurred during it, but neither had she ever attacked anybody during one.
I am with you on this point, but I ask you to bear in mind that once there had been the dramatic reduction in her haloperidol medication' (reduced by 50%) that this had an adverse effect on her bahaviour, particularly the aggressive nature and element of the withdrawal symptoms now know to be associated with it!
Have you watched the video clip I posted?
Here it is, again...
https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A
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I am with you on this point, but I ask you to bear in mind that once there had been the dramatic reduction in her haloperidol medication' (reduced by 50%) that this had an adverse effect on her bahaviour, particularly the aggressive nature and element of the withdrawal symptoms now know to be associated with it!
Have you watched the video clip I posted?
Here it is, again...
https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A
Thoughts of suicide, and hurting others...
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I am with you on this point, but I ask you to bear in mind that once there had been the dramatic reduction in her haloperidol medication' (reduced by 50%) that this had an adverse effect on her bahaviour, particularly the aggressive nature and element of the withdrawal symptoms now know to be associated with it!
Have you watched the video clip I posted?
Here it is, again...
https://youtu.be/UibB5uo-15A
Yes but there was no mention of this by anyone who met her from the Sunday onwards, or even before her medication was reduced, which would stretch the time period back to July. On the contrary there were signs that there was a rapprochement with June much to Jeremy's dismay, and the growing realization that the twins also might replace him in his parents' affections.
It all proved too much I'm afraid, following the initial trauma of adoption, the failure to bond with his adoptive parents then his banishment to Gresham's.
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Yes but there was no mention of this by anyone who met her from the Sunday onwards, or even before her medication was reduced, which would stretch the time period back to July. On the contrary there were signs that there was a rapprochement with June much to Jeremy's dismay, and the growing realization that the twins also might replace him in his parents' affections.
It all proved too much I'm afraid, following the initial trauma of adoption, the failure to bond with his adoptive parents then his banishment to Gresham's.
We don't know that..
the fact is that people like Sheila who were on 300 mls of Haloperidol (HALDOL), that got reduced to 150 mls, days, weeks before the date of the tragedy, would have been susceptible to an onset of Akathisia or Dystonia...
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Yes but there was no mention of this by anyone who met her from the Sunday onwards, or even before her medication was reduced, which would stretch the time period back to July. On the contrary there were signs that there was a rapprochement with June much to Jeremy's dismay, and the growing realization that the twins also might replace him in his parents' affections.
It all proved too much I'm afraid, following the initial trauma of adoption, the failure to bond with his adoptive parents then his banishment to Gresham's.
But Sheila had a similar experience Steve so surely they were either both capable of murder for that reason or neither of them were so in my opinion it proves nothing. In fact Sheila had a much more difficult time from birth until adoption by the Bamber's at 6 months and even after as June was ill and in hospital shortly after the adoption. Sheila had the more difficult bonding experience than Jeremy as far as we know. Jeremy was adopted at 6 weeks, Sheila with other carers but not her mother until 6 months old then adopted. June ill and in hospital shortly after adoption, Jeremy adopted 6 weeks and no disruption to bonding process with June as she was not I'll after his adoption. We cannot know in truth whether either child bonded with June but Jeremy certainly had the better opportunity.
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But Sheila had a similar experience Steve so surely they were either both capable of murder for that reason or neither of them were so in my opinion it proves nothing. In fact Sheila had a much more difficult time from birth until adoption by the Bamber's at 6 months and even after as June was ill and in hospital shortly after the adoption. Sheila had the more difficult bonding experience than Jeremy as far as we know.
This might well be true, but who was the more materialistic, the one looking ahead, the one with malice aforethought, the one who couldn't bear the thought of each passing day and the burden he felt he had to shoulder, whilst ironically Sheila herself was suffering unbeknownst to him but without the cunning, without the guile, without the ulterior motive as she soldiered on to possible oblivion, yet making the most of her predicament and desperately loving her boys.
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This might well be true, but who was the more materialistic, the one looking ahead, the one with malice aforethought, the one who couldn't bear the thought of each passing day and the burden he felt he had to shoulder, whilst ironically Sheila herself was suffering unbeknownst to him but without the cunning, without the guile, without the ulterior motive as she soldiered on to possible oblivion, yet making the most of her predicament and desperately loving her boys.
I don't believe we know what Jeremy Bamber was really like. Who knows what he suffered behind the confident face he showed to the public. I have much sympathy for Sheila and her illness but she too was far from perfect, she was human not a saint. Someone with psychosis is very difficult to deal with and very difficult to love as even when 'stablised' they are often chaotic, irresponsible, unreliable and often angry. You paint a picture of her loving her children and no doubt she did as best she could but she was quite possibly incapable of looking after them or herself in any real sense which is why June made her regular trips to London with food and financial support and why they lived with Colin. I don't know the truth of Jeremy Bamber or Sheila, what we know is mainly hearsay and gossip which has been repeated over and over again with people adding their own spin like Chinese Whispers.
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The true facts as now known by myself at this present moment in time, are that Sheila was still alive inside the farmhouse after firearm officers entered the premises at around 7.35am! I put to side for one moment the evidence that she was the dead female body found inside the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber! Neither do I seek to rely on the argument that by 7.45am, that police in the control room at Chelmsford were speaking in terms that the two bodies already found by that stage, involved a murder, and a suicide! Also, forget that there was only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
I am more interested in the position of Sheila Caffell's body at the following times:-
8.44am
9.05am
9.30am
10.00am
11.00am
I am also interested in the whereabouts and position of the rifle, as attested to by various witness accounts at the following times:-
7.15am. WPC Julia Jeapes
7.35am DCI Harris / CI Gibbons
7.37am. Raid team
7.38am. Raid team
7.42am. Raid team
7.45am. Raid team
8.10am. Raid team
8.15am. Harris / Gibbons / Montgomery
8.44am. Dr Craig
9.00am. PS Adams
9.05am. DS Jones / DC Clark
9.13am. Harris / Gibbons / Montgomery / Woodcock
9.30am. PC Wright
10.00am. DC Oakey / DC Henderson
11.00am. Cook / Davidson / Hammersley / Bird
11.10am. PS Woodcock
We know that according to PS Woodcock, that he removed the rifle from Sheila Caffell's body at 11.10am, according to a witness statement that he made!
There was a significant amount of activity involving the rifle between the first sighting of it by WPC Julia Jeapes' at the first floor box room window at around 7.15am, and the occasion when PS Woodcock removed it from Sheila's body in the main bedroom at 11.10am..
The first floor box room and the main bedroom were next door to one another, connected by an internal door!
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I am also interested in the whereabouts and position of the rifle, as attested to by various witness accounts at the following times:-
7.15am. WPC Julia Jeapes
7.35am DCI Harris / CI Gibbons
7.37am. Raid team
7.38am. Raid team
7.42am. Raid team
7.45am. Raid team
8.10am. Raid team
8.15am. Harris / Gibbons / Montgomery
8.44am. Dr Craig
9.00am. PS Adams
9.05am. DS Jones / DC Clark
9.13am. Harris / Gibbons / Montgomery / Woodcock
9.30am. PC Wright
10.00am. DC Oakey / DC Henderson
11.00am. Cook / Davidson / Hammersley / Bird
11.10am. PS Woodcock
We know that according to PS Woodcock, that he removed the rifle from Sheila Caffell's body at 11.10am, according to a witness statement that he made!
There was a significant amount of activity involving the rifle between the first sighting of it by WPC Julia Jeapes' at the first floor box room window at around 7.15am, and the occasion when PS Woodcock removed it from Sheila's body in the main bedroom at 11.10am..
The first floor box room and the main bedroom were next door to one another, connected by an internal door!
The 2nd rifle was leaning against the 'Box Room' window (the room connecting 'Parents Bedroom' and 'twins room').
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The 2nd rifle was leaning against the 'Box Room' window (the room connecting 'Parents Bedroom' and 'twins room').
Sheila was dead by 7.15am WPC JEAPES sighting of rifle Box Room
So there are TWO rifles, one in Box Room (see above for correct room) and one on Sheila's body.
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7.15am. WPC Julia Jeapes
Rifle was said to be resting against the first floor box room window
8.44am. Dr Craig
Rifle laying alongside Sheila's body on the far side of the bed
9.00am. PS Adams
No recollection of the rifle being with Sheila's body when he visited main bedroom
9.05am DS Jones / DC Clark
Rifle resting on the bed, in-between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell'
9.13am. Harris / Gibbons / Montgomery / Woodcock
Rifle brought to Sheila's body which had been moved from bed onto bedroom floor
9.30am. PC Wright
Rifle had been removed from Sheila's body by this stage - resting against main bedroom window
10.00am. DC Oakey / DC Henderson
Photographed rifle in Sheila's possession (photograph no.25), barrel resting against left side of neck
11.00am. Cook / Davidson / Hammersley / Bird
Rifle photographed in different position on Sheila's body, as per photo's 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33
11.10am. PS Woodcock
Removes rifle from Sheila's body, and makes it safe
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Sheila was dead by 7.15am WPC JEAPES sighting of rifle Box Room
So there are TWO rifles, one in Box Room (see above for correct room) and one on Sheila's body.
Police state that there was only one rifle found upstairs on the first floor - that being the family owned Anshuzt rifle found on Sheila's body!
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Police state that there was only one rifle found upstairs on the first floor - that being the family owned Anshuzt rifle found on Sheila's body!
The said rifle appears to have led a somewhat charmed life prior to 11.10am, if PS Woodcock removed 'it' from Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor, since it was laying alongside Sheila's body at 8.44am , 'on the far side of the bed'! By 9.00 am, 'the rifle was not with the body'! By 9.05am, 'the rifle was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell'. At 9.13am, 'the rifle was put onto Sheila's body' which by this stage had been lifted from the bed and moved to the bedroom floor! By 9.30am, 'the rifle had been removed from Sheila's body' and was 'now resting against the main bedroom window'! By 10.00am, 'the rifle was back in the possession of Sheila Caffell's body on the bedroom floor', with 'its barrel resting against the left hand side of her neck'! By 11.00am 'the position of the rifle on Sheila's body shifted' so that 'its barrel no longer rested against the left side of Sheila's neck'! At 11.10am, 'the rifle was removed from Sheila's body, and made safe'!
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"What we can conclude therefore, is that the rooms beyond that internal kitchen door was off limits to Neville Bambers killer, who could not go beyond Neville's body sat in that chair behind the door, thus preventing the killer from taking the sound moderator from the guns barrel and concealing it inside a cupboard in the den.
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So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?
Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?"
Mike 2018
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Its there its staring us in the face its so simple that you, we have over looked it.
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"What we can conclude therefore, is that the rooms beyond that internal kitchen door was off limits to Neville Bambers killer, who could not go beyond Neville's body sat in that chair behind the door, thus preventing the killer from taking the sound moderator from the guns barrel and concealing it inside a cupboard in the den.
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So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?
Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?"
Mike 2018
Correct!
The shooter would have to have gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to place the Sound Moderator in that almost empty ammunition box in the cupboard under the stairs situated in the den - without leaving a trace of anybodies blood anywhere along the described route, there and back, rebolting the bathroom panel, and then if the shooter not be Sheila, would have to leave the farmhouse with the kitchen light switched on, and the children's bedroom light left switched on, and the main bedroom door left ajar sufficiently so that the landing ceiling light backlit the main bedroom!
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Mike 'today is the day' Thursday 12th April 2018.
Jeremy will be free VERY soon.
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Its the 2 rifles that is the Key to unlock Jeremy's cell door.
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Its there its staring us in the face its so simple that you, we have have over looked it.
If the Sound Moderator was used when Sheila got shot, the police would have known about it on the first morning of their investigation! The fact that there appeared to be a large number of shots fired would have focussed police attention on the cleanliness or otherwise of the muzzle end of the rifles barrel, particularly the threaded end where normally either a metal Knut or a Sound Moderator would be fitted! The only other alternative explanation was that the rifle had been used without its Knut or the Sound Moderator attached on the end of the guns barrel!
We know that the police were aware of the Sound Moderator to the gun, because on the afternoon of 9th August 1985, DCI Jones and DS Jones went to speak to Jeremy at his cottage, and asked him questions about five of the twenty five bullets fired during the tragedy, and they wanted to know from Jeremy himself whether or not the Sound Moderator was fixed on the end of the rifles barrel when he had used it intent on rabbit shooting just prior to him leaving the farmhouse to go home to his cottage? Jeremy had told Jones and Jones that the Sound Moderator was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time he handled the anshuzt rifle, nor was it fixed to its barrel when he had left it on the settle in the back entrance way...
So, the police were interested in finding out from Jeremy whether or not the Sound Moderator was fitted to the barrel of the rifle, on an occasion prior to the date of the alleged find of 'it' by David Boutflour on the following day (10th August 1985)...
It is also known, that on the first morning of the incident that DS Jones returned to the scene from Jeremy's cottage, and that he seized or took a total of four exhibits, which became documented as exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1(the sound Moderator)! One of the exhibits he took on that occasion was a photograph of the downstairs toilet to record its contents! This photograph was subsequently destroyed according to a corresponding entry in a police property book! The downstairs toilet was where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his collection of firearms! One such of these guns was a .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, which had its own Sound Moderator fixed on the end of its barrel. Now, according to Jeremy that rifle was present inside the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy, albeit Anthony Pargeter has since claimed that it wasn't there on the night of the shootings! Anyway, DS Jones took possession of a Sound Moderator from the scene on that first morning of the police investigation. My belief is that he may have taken possession of the Sound moderator belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle!
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But hold on a minute!, there was no moderator FITTED TO GUN as per photographs of Sheila body.
and importantly they (EP) had not found the Moderator as David Boutflour did later.
So why were they questioning Jeremy? and is said questioning on record?
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Correct!
The shooter would have to have gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to place the Sound Moderator in that almost empty ammunition box in the cupboard under the stairs situated in the den - without leaving a trace of anybodies blood anywhere along the described route, there and back, rebolting the bathroom panel, and then if the shooter not be Sheila, would have to leave the farmhouse with the kitchen light switched on, and the children's bedroom light left switched on, and the main bedroom door left ajar sufficiently so that the landing ceiling light backlit the main bedroom!
Mike/Nigel,
I've been reading through some more of the case documents tonight and I've PM'd you the below viewpoint on your last few posts, but I'll also repeat it here for the benefit of everybody else.
This is purely my opinion, but it's my honest good faith view from a neutral perspective:
What Mike has just said about the lack of forensic traces for Jeremy putting the moderator back is one of a number of points that has been bothering me. It's also surely a glaring incongruity. Why would he leave that evidence at the house?
At the moment, I am trying to go through this case as a 'logical proposition' - which is what my series of threads on Sheila is really about - and my provisional conclusion, so far, is that Jeremy Bamber must be a combination of Jason Bourne and Doctor Moriarty, or the Crown's case makes no sense.
Which is not to say he actually is innocent, it's just my way of saying that I find the scenario of him as shooter rather improbable from a purely logical point-of-view, whereas Sheila as the killer does fit better with the evidence and the whole scenario. The anti-Bamber argument that there is no evidence for Sheila as the killer is based on cherry-picking.
Another way of putting it would be: Sheila as the killer is emotionally very difficult to take, and even I'm struggling to confront it. Based on what I know, I do find Sheila to be a more sympathetic character than Jeremy, but Sheila as the killer IS the more logical scenario. It pains me to say it, because I actually don't like Jeremy based on what I have learned about him: he was (maybe still is) a nasty piece of work. But Jeremy as the killer makes no logical sense.
We must remember, though, that logic is not unimpeachable. Reality can be strange. Jeremy could have done it: it's not impossible, far from it.
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It is also known, that on the first morning of the incident that DS Jones returned to the scene from Jeremy's cottage, and that he seized or took a total of four exhibits, which became documented as exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1(the sound Moderator)! One of the exhibits he took on that occasion was a photograph of the downstairs toilet to record its contents! This photograph was subsequently destroyed according to a corresponding entry in a police property book! The downstairs toilet was where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his collection of firearms! One such of these guns was a .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, which had its own Sound Moderator fixed on the end of its barrel. Now, according to Jeremy that rifle was present inside the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy, albeit Anthony Pargeter has since claimed that it wasn't there on the night of the shootings! Anyway, DS Jones took possession of a Sound Moderator from the scene on that first morning of the police investigation. My belief is that he may have taken possession of the Sound moderator belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle!
Oddly enough, Anthony Pargeters account regarding the whereabouts of his rifle is contained in two separate witness statements, the first that he made to Essex police in 1985, and a second one which he made to the COLP investigators in 1991. In the first witness statement, he confirms that he owned the .22 Bruno rifle which was kept in the downstairs toilet along with its SoundCloud stator and a quantity of .22 ammunition, but he told Essex police that he always removed the bolt from his rifle and that he took the bolt home with him, so that nobody could fire his rifle in his absence! Well, when he made his second witness statement to COLP six years later he changed his account by claiming that his bolt action rifle was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings because he had taken it home to Bournend in Buckinghamshire where he lived, and that he had taken it home on the penultimate week-end before the shootings!
Anyway, Jeremy thinks or should I say Jeremy is saying that Anthony Pargeters rifle was definitely at the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy! It was a condition on Pargeters firearm certificate that he could only use it on land belonging to whf, and that it had to be kept at the farmhouse! Jeremy says because his dad (Neville) was a Magistrate, he would never have allowed or permitted Anthony Pargeter to remove or take the Bruno rifle away from the farm! Jeremy says Anthony Pargeter has lied about the whereabouts of his rifle on the night of the tragedy!
There is more info' which might be relevant..
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Mike/Nigel,
I've been reading through some more of the case documents tonight and I've PM'd you the below viewpoint on your last few posts, but I'll also repeat it here for the benefit of everybody else.
This is purely my opinion, but it's my honest good faith view from a neutral perspective:
What Mike has just said about the lack of forensic traces for Jeremy putting the moderator back is one of a number of points that has been bothering me. It's also surely a glaring incongruity. Why would he leave that evidence at the house?
At the moment, I am trying to go through this case as a 'logical proposition' - which is what my series of threads on Sheila is really about - and my provisional conclusion, so far, is that Jeremy Bamber must be a combination of Jason Bourne and Doctor Moriarty, or the Crown's case makes no sense.
Which is not to say he actually is innocent, it's just my way of saying that I find the scenario of him as shooter rather improbable from a purely logical point-of-view, whereas Sheila as the killer does fit better with the evidence and the whole scenario. The anti-Bamber argument that there is no evidence for Sheila as the killer is based on cherry-picking.
Another way of putting it would be: Sheila as the killer is emotionally very difficult to take, and even I'm struggling to confront it. Based on what I know, I do find Sheila to be a more sympathetic character than Jeremy, but Sheila as the killer IS the more logical scenario. It pains me to say it, because I actually don't like Jeremy based on what I have learned about him: he was (maybe still is) a nasty piece of work. But Jeremy as the killer makes no logical sense.
We must remember, though, that logic is not unimpeachable. Reality can be strange. Jeremy could have done it: it's not impossible, far from it.
Up your game.
'Today is the day' the clock is ticking.
Your are too intelligent for your own good, use your intelligence for Good.
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I'm screaming this from the roof tops.
Its the 2 rifles that is the Key, to unlock Jeremy's cell.
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Oddly enough, Anthony Pargeters account regarding the whereabouts of his rifle is contained in two separate witness statements, the first that he made to Essex police in 1985, and a second one which he made to the COLP investigators in 1991. In the first witness statement, he confirms that he owned the .22 Bruno rifle which was kept in the downstairs toilet along with its SoundCloud stator and a quantity of .22 ammunition, but he told Essex police that he always removed the bolt from his rifle and that he took the bolt home with him, so that nobody could fire his rifle in his absence! Well, when he made his second witness statement to COLP six years later he changed his account by claiming that his bolt action rifle was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings because he had taken it home to Bournend in Buckinghamshire where he lived, and that he had taken it home on the penultimate week-end before the shootings!
Anyway, Jeremy thinks or should I say Jeremy is saying that Anthony Pargeters rifle was definitely at the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy! It was a condition on Pargeters firearm certificate that he could only use it on land belonging to whf, and that it had to be kept at the farmhouse! Jeremy says because his dad (Neville) was a Magistrate, he would never have allowed or permitted Anthony Pargeter to remove or take the Bruno rifle away from the farm! Jeremy says Anthony Pargeter has lied about the whereabouts of his rifle on the night of the tragedy!
There is more info' which might be relevant..
There is a documented account in the police files which confirms that in one of the crime scene photographs taken downstairs in the kitchen is a rifle,vandva note saying that no-one is to mention the rifle in question in their notes and witness statements! This is somewhat bizzare because the rifle used in thevshootings was supposedly found with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor upstairs!
So, there was a rifle present in the kitchen, but the police have deliberately sought to keep its presence there a secret..
Additionally...
When DS Davidson (2nd team of SOCO) was being interviewed about a paint sample (RC/1) taken from the kitchen on the 8th August 1985, and handed to him at the scene, by DI Cook, he told the COLP interviewers that that paint sample had been taken because some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel, a gun which the police had seized from somewhere downstairs inside the farmhouse...
I'm just wondering, whether or not, the gun being referred by Davidson and the rifle captured in one of the crime scene photographs taken in the kitchen, is one and the same gun?
Moreover...
Could that rifle have been Anthony Pargeters Bruno bolt action rifle with its Sound Moderator either attached to its barrel? Or detached but close by?
I have long since pondered about the possibility that the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, and the Pargeter owned Bruno rifle, were both used in the shooting incident that had taken place?
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In 1990 I contacted the Home Secretary about the possibility that Anthony Pargeters .22 Rifle could have been used in the shooting tragedy - this coupled with a series of complaints made by Jeremy culminated in the COLP Enquiry getting off the ground! I believed at that time, that Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle could have been used in the shootings and that it could have fired 10 of the 25 bullets used in the tragedy. Those 10 bullets being the ones which the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, could not directly link as having been fired exclusively via the anshuzt rifle. I argued that Anthony Pargeters rifle had two ammunition magazines, one a 10 shot, the other a 5 shot, and that when added to the 10 shot magazine belonging to the anshuzt rifle, together they produced a matching total of 25 which was what had been fired! In addition, I thought it a bit of a coincidence that 5 if the 25 spent cartridge cases had got double magazine markings on them, whereas the other 20 only had one lot of magazine markings on them! I considered the possibility that at least 5 of the 25 bullets used in the tragedy could have been transferred out of the 5 shot ammunition magazine belonging to the Bruno rifle, and reloaded into the 10 shot magazine of the anshuzt rifle!
It was also somewhat coincidental that when Jones and Jones had spoken to Jeremy on the 9th August 1985, that they were questioning him about the source from which 5 bullets had come from? Jeremy had originally told police that on the evening prior to the tragedy how he had obtained a new box of Eley ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs, that he had removed it's celothane wrapper and loaded the rifles magazine up with bullets until it was full! Jones and Jones pointed out that there were still 30 bullets from that box found on the kitchen worktop, they said and a total of 25 shots were known to have been fired, so they were wondering where the other 5 bullets had come from? Jeremy responded by telling them that there was already some bullets in the magazine before he started to put the new bullets from the box of ammunition in. Police were satisfied with Jeremy's explanation...
I must admit this feature of the matter puzzled me...
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There is a documented account in the police files which confirms that in one of the crime scene photographs taken downstairs in the kitchen is a rifle,vandva note saying that no-one is to mention the rifle in question in their notes and witness statements! This is somewhat bizzare because the rifle used in thevshootings was supposedly found with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor upstairs!
So, there was a rifle present in the kitchen, but the police have deliberately sought to keep its presence there a secret..
Additionally...
When DS Davidson (2nd team of SOCO) was being interviewed about a paint sample (RC/1) taken from the kitchen on the 8th August 1985, and handed to him at the scene, by DI Cook, he told the COLP interviewers that that paint sample had been taken because some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel, a gun which the police had seized from somewhere downstairs inside the farmhouse...
I'm just wondering, whether or not, the gun being referred by Davidson and the rifle captured in one of the crime scene photographs taken in the kitchen, is one and the same gun?
Moreover...
Could that rifle have been Anthony Pargeters Bruno bolt action rifle with its Sound Moderator either attached to its barrel? Or detached but close by?
I have long since pondered about the possibility that the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, and the Pargeter owned Bruno rifle, were both used in the shooting incident that had taken place?
Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?
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Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?
Yes, both have a universal type thread on the end of their barrels!
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Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?
Holy Moly! very serious.
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Holy Moly! very serious.
The moderator was Pargeters!!!!!
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The moderator was Pargeters!!!!!
that left 2 weeks earlier.
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Because the moderators were the same, ANTHONY took the wrong 'Moderator' leaving 'his' Moderator behind at WHF.
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I think that the rifle that was captured in one of the crime scene photographs may well have been Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno rifle!
According to what DS Davidson (SOCO) told the COLP investigators during his police interview, he told them some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel! COLP put it to him, was he referring to the paint being on the end of the Sound Moderator, and Davidson responded by saying 'NO', he said, the paint was found on the end of a guns barrel, not a silencer!
If the barrel of Pargeters Bruno rifle had come into contact with the kitchen aga and scratched it, this of course might cast doubt on the possibility that the Sound Moderator had been fitted to the anshuzt rifles barrel at the time Neville Bamber was attacked and killed in the kitchen! But if true, where was the Sound Moderator that was normally fitted to the end of the Bruno rifles barrel?
This is where DS Jones comes into the picture, because on the first morning of the investigation he returns to the scene and he takes a total of 4 exhibits from the scene, albeit one of these exhibits was a photograph he took inside the downstairs toilet where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his rifle ammunitions and his Sound Moderator! Jones took possession of. Sound Moderator on that occasion, I can't help but think that the Sound Moderator (SBJ/1) he took was the one belonging to Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle, which either must have become detached, or it had been removed from the end of the barrel of his rifle, at some point after the shooting incident in the kitchen when Sheila got shot during a struggle with one of the firearms officers..
My informant told me that Sheila was shot when a firearms officer came around the opening edge of the internal kitchen door after Neville Bambers body had been toppled over, and that during the struggle that Sheila appeared to pull the muzzle end of the guns barrel in towards her throat, and that this was how she received the initial non fatal shot to which all the police radio message log contents refer to between 7.35am and 8.10am (two bodies downstairs in kitchen upon entry)...
I was led to believe that the weapon used was a police issue gun, but it now seems as though the initial shot fired across and into Sheila's neck could have been a shot fired via the Bruno rifle at a time when it's Sound Moderator was fixed to its barrel! There exists a sort of circular bruise or an abrasion around the lower neck wound on Sheila Caffell's neck which I have always believed had been made at the time the first shot had been inflicted! I now realise that Sheila could have been shot by the Pargeter rifle with its Sound Moderator attached, during the struggle with the police in the kitchen, and that the muzzle of Anthony Pargeters sound moderator made the mark in question!
This has got to be true, otherwise why would there be a note about a rifle that was captured in the crime scene in the kitchen not to be mentioned by anybody in their notes, or witness statements?
That rifle was almost certainly the weapon used to inflict that first shot into Sheila Caffell's neck, more importantly it can't have been the anshuzt rifle because that was found upstairs in the possession of Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor..
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Because the moderators were the same, ANTHONY took the wrong 'Moderator' leaving 'his' Moderator behind at WHF.
It's possible that there was a mix up involving the two different identical looking Parker Hale Sound Moderators, one belonging to the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, and the other belonging to the Pargeter owned Bruno rifle!
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My attention is now focussed on the remnants of the bullet (PV/20) linked to 'the non fatal shot' across and into Sheila's neck! During autopsy performed on the 7th August 1985, pathologist, Peter Venesis, removed a small fragment of that bullet! However, by the time 'it' arrived at the Lab' for the attention of the prosecution experts attention, 'it' (PV/20) had grown back into becoming a WHOLE bullet..
So, it now seems almost certain the police tampered with the small fragmented piece of bullet recovered from Sheila's neck, and at some point prior to the 20th September 1985, the rifle was test fired with the same type of ammunition used in the shootings, and that after the test fire, a recovered whole bullet replaced the small fragment, and they sought to get confirmation that the same gun had fired the two shots which wounded and had killed Sheila Caffell, provable by a reliance upon dishonest expert opinion, where he would claim that both bullets (PV/19 and PV/20) had been fired from the same anshuzt rifle, without letting on that the original small fragmented piece of bullet (the original PV/20) had in fact been fired by another gun (the one captured in a crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen)!
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If ANTHONY P had taken the wrong 'moderator' two weeks prior.
Which is entirely possible as the 'Moderators' were 'interchangeable'
then Moderator left at WHF could have been contaminated by 'all sorts', as it could have been ANTHONY P's moderator.
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There appears to be a link involving the second rifle having been photographed downstairs in the kitchen, a rifle which had some paint ingrained in the end of its barrel, 'its' Sound Moderator that DS Jones seized from somewhere downstairs at the scene on the first morning of the police investigation! The fact that the photograph which Jones had taken inside the downstairs toilet where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his rifle and Sound Moderator, that has been 'destroyed', and missing photographic negatives from a strip of negates when the cupboard under the stairs was being photographed, and a bullet (PV/20) which grew whole again, from a small fragment of a bullet, the replacement allowing the ballistic expert to conclude that Sheila had died as a result of being shot twice by the same gun, when all along she was shot by two different guns!
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If ANTHONY P had taken the wrong 'moderator' two weeks prior.
Which is entirely possible as the 'Moderators' were 'interchangeable'
then Moderator left at WHF could have been contaminated by 'all sorts', as it could have been ANTHONY P's moderator.
It is highly likely that there was a mix up involving these two identical looking Parker Hale Silencers!
The one exhibited at trial had 17 internalised baffle plates, compatible with the model purchased by Pargeter in 1980, and also compatible with the Bamber owned anshuzt rifle...
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Mike,
Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?
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Mike,
Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?
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Both Anshuzt rifle in those photos.
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Both Anshuzt rifle in those photos.
thanks David, and Wolf or Anshuzt in these photographs?
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Mike,
Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?
It's the 'anshuzt rifle' in this photograph...
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Mike,
Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?
Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...
Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..
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Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?
Yes.
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Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...
Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..
Linked to this contradiction - is the claim made by David Bird whilst testifying that it had been 'he' who had taken the photograph which shows a view of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window, from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs! This particular photograph was the 23rd photograph taken in the overall sequence of photographs taken at the scene that morning - and DC Oakey (1st team of SOCO) took the 25th photograph, establishing that PC Bird committed an act of perjury by trying to claim that it had be 'he' who had taken the said photograph! Not surprisingly, when asked if he knew who had placed the anshuztr rifle there at that window on that occasion, he stated that he didn't know...
He didn't know, because that photograph (No.23) had been taken by either DC Oakey or DC Henderson long before the 2nd SOCO team took control of the crime scene at around 10.00am. Contrary to what was stated during the trial, the 2nd team of SOCO did not start taking photographs until after 11.00am, not at and from 10.00am like was made out during the trial!
Rather more disturbingly, the 2nd team of SOCO made out that they were the first SOCO to record the crime scene, keeping 'it' a closely guarded secret that beforehand another team of SOCO (DC Oakey and DC Henderson) had been recording the relevant crime scenes between 9.00am and 10.00am at the time senior officers had been practising the age old art of 'INFORMATIVES', which involved the moving of victims bodies, furniture, clothing, and of course the anshuzt rifle.
There is no doubt that 'Essex police were responsible for staging the death scenes of the three adult victims inside whf', prior to the 2nd team of SOCO taking control after 10.00am, and photographing the re-arranged crime scenes in the kitchen and the main bedroom as though this had been exactly how the firearms officers had come upon it when they had first entered the farmhouse...
Of course, we now know with 100% certainty, that any of the photographs that were taken by PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) after 11.00am, do not show an accurate representation of where the firearms team originally and supposedly found the bodies of the victims - Essex police have been responsible for pulling off a huge deception in the manner with which they have presented this evidence! For example, Neville Bambers body was not tumbled on the kitchen floor with his head in a metal coal hod, and the surrounding area around the base of that bucket was not swamped with clothing, a towel and seat cushions, until after senior officers commenced the practice of 'INFORMATIVES'...
In this respect, please search your consciences and ask yourselves that if Sheila had been responsible for shooting dead Neville Bamber in the kitchen, would she have been bothered bout trying to control the spread of Neville Bambers blood further afield upon the kitchen floor? No, of course she wouldn't...
Then, consider the involvement of Jeremy Bamber in these atrocities, please ask yourselves if his intention had been to place the blame or responsibility for the death of Neveille Bamber, would he have placed items of clothing, a towel, and some seat cushions around the base of the coal hod to retain the potential spread of blood from Neville Bambers head and body wounds?
No, of course he wouldn't have...
The only people with any vested interest in trying to contain the spread of blood from Neville Bambers body further afield upon the kitchen floor at the time his head had been placed inside the coal hod, were the police themselves...
This matter becomes absolutely clear when you see that behind Nevilles body in that stage scene with his head inside the coal hod, a wooden chair has been pushed up against the very internal door through which the firearms officers supposedly entered the kitchen at around 7.35am - if Neville Bambers death scene had not been staged by the police, then what explanation can be offered for the blocking of the internal door with a wooden chair if at least six firearm officers and more (afterwards) had all piled into the kitchen soon after 7.35am?
And, then there is the fact that despite Neville Bambers head ending up in the coal hod, that there was no injuries caused to either his face or his head which might have been caused by his face or head crashing into the rim of the metal coal hod? Surely no-one for one moment thinks that Neville Bambers face and his head had automatically fallen inside the rim of the coal hod without so much as a graze, a cut or a bruise?
Take it as gospel that the police staged his death scene in the kitchen, the police moved Neville Bambers body so that his head rested inside the rim of that metal coal bucket...
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I am really now interested in trying to fathom out, or if possible, to try to identify the rifle that was captured in a police crime scene photograph that was taken inside the kitchen which officers were instructed not to make any mention of in their notes...
Why would police officers be being instructed not to mention anything about a rifle in the kitchen considering that also photographed in the kitchen was the body of one of the five victims (Neville Bamber), and a prospect that at one stage there had been a second body there (Sheila Caffell) between 7.35am and 8.10am? This rifle must have got something to do with, any scratch marks that might have been present on the kitchen 'Aga' surround, and the supposed death of a female in that vicinity, earlier...
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Mike
Please accept my apologies for interfering with the content of your (this) post...
What would you like me to comment upon?
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I am really now interested in trying to fathom out, or if possible, to try to identify the rifle that was captured in a police crime scene photograph that was taken inside the kitchen which officers were instructed not to make any mention of in their notes...
Why would police officers be being instructed not to mention anything about a rifle in the kitchen considering that also photographed in the kitchen was the body of one of the five victims (Neville Bamber), and a prospect that at one stage there had been a second body there (Sheila Caffell) between 7.35am and 8.10am? This rifle must have got something to do with, any scratch marks that might have been present on the kitchen 'Aga' surround, and the supposed death of a female in that vicinity, earlier...
Everything is pointing to the use of two different guns in the shooting dead of Sheila Caffell...
I know that what I am saying has to be 100% true...
You can't trust the police to tell the truth all of the time - they only see or find what they want to see, or find...
Over the years I have learned how to expose their tactics evidentially...
Cops and the CPS don't like suspected criminals or people who can think logically...
All I know with 100% certainty, is that Sheila Caffell was shot and killed by the use of two different firearms, and that the police tampered with the original badly fragmented piece of bullet (PV/20) replacing it with a WHOLE test fired round, so that the ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher could say that the same gun (the anshuzt rifle) had fired both of the bullets involved in Sheila's demise and that her death had been caused by the use of a solitary gun when if the truth be made known she was shot and killed by two different guns...
In other words, the cops helped to frame Jeremy Bamber...
Lets put it another way...
Assuming that Jeremy be the shooter and that it had been his intention to stage his sisters death in possession of the anshuztt rifle on his parents bedroom floor, he would surely have known that Sheila had been shot by use of two different guns, so the act of staging his sisters death in possession of only one of those guns, would surely be discovered balistically afterwards...
It just doesn't make any sense, since if Jeremy had been the shooter, surely he would have known that he had shot his sister with two different guns?
Why then...
stage her death scene on his parents bedroom floor in possession of only one of the guns that had been used to shoot her dead?
Essex police have dropped a clanger, here...
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All I know with 100% certainty, is that Sheila Caffell was shot and killed by the use of two different firearms, and that the police tampered with the original badly fragmented piece of bullet (PV/20) replacing it with a WHOLE test fired round, so that the ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher could say that the same gun (the anshuzt rifle) had fired both of the bullets involved in Sheila's demise and that her death had been caused by the use of a solitary gun when if the truth be made known she was shot and killed by two different guns...
It just doesn't make any sense, since if Jeremy had been the shooter, surely he would have known that he had shot his sister with two different guns?
Why then...
stage her death scene on his parents bedroom floor in possession of only one of the guns that had been used to shoot her dead?
You have to look at and consider what the police themselves have done in this matter!
Why does there exist two entirely conflicting accounts regarding the locality and the position of the bodies of the 5 deceased victims?
On the one hand, the police radio message log account which places two bodies downstairs in the kitchen (between 7.35am and 8.10am) and only a further three bodies upstairs at 8.10am. There is absolutely no contradictions to this scenario anywhere within these message logs, versus the witness statement versions of the firearm officers account,made up after a debriefing held at Witham on the first evening of the police investigation into the tragedy, where senior Officers instructed junior Officers to make up their notes and statements stating that they had discovered the bodies of the five victims where PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) had eventually photographed them!
As I say, you can't trust the police all of the time, they only see and find and report what they want to see, and find, and report!
In my mind there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that there were two bodies in the kitchen when Police entered 'it' and only three other bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
It's the police who are responsible for staging the death scenes of Neville Bamber, June Bamber and Sheila Caffell,not Jeremy, or any would be hitman or assassin...
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If you can prove there were two rifles then PARGETER must have lied.
Also (I am choosing my words carefully) the moderator could not have been on 'the rifle'.
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Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...
Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..
According to the CAL book Woodcock removed the rifle from the body, DI Cook took possession of it and handed it to exhibits officer DC Hammersley.
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According to the CAL book Woodcock removed the rifle from the body, DI Cook took possession of it and handed it to exhibits officer DC Hammersley.
According to Ron Cooks trial testimony, Cook removed the rifle handed it to Montgomery who checked to make sure it was safe, then Cook placed it at the main bedroom window...
In PS Woodcocks witness statement, he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...
That issue to one side momentarily, consider the following:-
How did the rifle from the box room window end up in Sheila Caffells possession?
Who removed it from her body and left it alongside Sheila's body whilst her body was on the far side of the bed at 8.44am?
If there was no rifle with Sheila's body at 9.00am when PS Adams visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila, who had removed 'it' from her body, and where was it until around 5 minutes later when it appeared on the bed, in no mans land?
If the rifle was resting on the bed in between June and Sheila at around 9.05am when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited the main bedroom and saw Sheila and June laid side by side on top of the bed, who placed the rifle on the bed inbetween the two bodies?
If at 9.30am when the Coroners officcer PC Wright arrived at the main bedroom, the rifle had already been removed from the body, who had removed it, and where was the rifle at that stage?
By 10.00am when DC Oakey or DC Henderson took photograph no.25 the rifle was resting on top of Sheila's body with the barrel resting against the left side of her neck! Who positioned the rifle there?
By the time the 2nd team of SOCO started to take photographs in the main bedroom shortly after 11.00am, the rifle was in a different position as shown by reference to photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32, before Woodcock, or Cook, or Montgomery all had a hand in removing the rifle from Sheila's body on only the one occasion! Who repositioned the rifle on Sheila's body before PC Bird started to take photographs of Sheila with it ion her possession?
There are too many inconsistencies, anomalies, contradictions surounding the mystery of the rifle, where it was, where it got moved to, who moved it, who placed it with the body, who removed it, etc, etc, etc..
The death scene of SheilaCaffell on the bedroom floor was clearly staged, and what is really astounding is that it took Essex police a month to realise that Sheila's body had been re-staged with the rifle - even though it was the police themselves who had re-staged it!
It's just like during the trial when the prosecution were arguing that the silencer had to be removed because with it fitted to the guns barrel Sheila couldn't have shot herself with it because it would have been too long! The police knew this at the scene on the first morning of the investigation, but it took almost a year for the prosecution to realise the significance of it...
Cops knew about the silencer on the first morning of the tragedy, thats why Stan Jones took possession of it (SBJ/1), and why on the afternoon of the 9th August 1985, Jones and Jones spoke to Jeremy at his cottage about the silencer...
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What is of real interest to me at the moment is the rifle that was photographed in one of the kitchen crime scene photographs! This has got to be the very same rifle which had paint ingrained on the end of its barrel, which DS Davidson spoke to the COLP investigators about in a police interview in 1991...
The presence of that rifle in the kitchen has got to be linked to the shooting of Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, and the fact bthat police were speaking in terms of there having been two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (to me those two boies could only have been a reference to Neville Bamber and Sheila Caffell, a murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am...
I think that rifle had a sound moderator fitted to it at the time of the struggle involving the police and Sheila in the kitchen at just before 7.35am. I am inclined to believe that the Sound Moderator recopvered from the scene by Stan Jones that same morning, was found next to, or nearby the rifle in the kitchen! I have an idea what might have happened and why the Sound Moderator became detached after Sheila got shot in the kitchen across the neck, the cops took the silencer off because with it fitted the overal length of the gun including the silencer would have been too long for Sheila to have shot herself with, so the cops took it off to make the rifle in question capable of being used by Sheila herself...
The rifle in the kitchen was not the Bamber owned anshuzt rifle which was upstairs resting against the box room window...
The rifle in the kitchen was either the bruno rifle belonging to Anthony Pargeter, or the BSA .22 air rifle belonging to Jeremy, with a silencer fitted to its barrel. Whatever the true state of affairs was, that's hiow Stan Jones ended up seizing one of the Sound Moderators! I am now beginning to think that the silencer he took possession of at that time, was the one belonging to Anthony Pargeters gun...
But, it could have been screwed onto the thread on the end of the BSA air rifles barrel!
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Mike I have search the forum for JEREMY's sketch, have you a link to it? or could you upload it.
Have you a photograph of the rifle in the Kitchen that you mention above?
Could the BSA rifle cause the wounds?
thanks
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Mike I have search the forum for JEREMY's sketch, have you a link to it? or could you upload it.
Have you a photograph of the rifle in the Kitchen that you mention above?
Could the BSA rifle cause the wounds?
thanks
I don't think the BSA air rifle could have made the non fatal entry wound because of the residue around the circumference of the sound..
I don't have a copy of the rifle in the kitchen, it was retained by ACC Simpson in his office safe along with the other 357 photographs Essex police chose not to disclose either to Bambers legal team, or to the court that true the matter. These withheld 358 photographs were part of the full collection of pictures contained in what is now known to have been called 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', it contained all 581 photographs!
However..
The defence acting in Bambers interests, were only given access to an album containing only 223 photographs, in a separate 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', the other 358 photographs missing from it! Many of the missing photographs all capable of establishing that Sheila's body had been photographed laid on top of the bed, before her body was moved onto the bedroom floor, and that she had not received the second bullet entry wound on her neck until after her body had been removed from the bed! Moreover, that the police were responsible for restaging her death scene on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle!
Since the trial, negative strips have been cut to remove key evidence capable of undermining the Crown's case!
It is now known that PC Bird (2nd SOCO team) did not take all the photographs at the crime scene on the first morning of the police investigation, but that hundreds of other photographs were taken beforehand by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (both 1st SOCO team)..
It would appear, therefore, that PC Bird was responsible for trying to separate all the photographs taken by himself from the 581 photographs that were taken by himself and everybody else, but in undertaking this task, a few of the photographs taken by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (1st SOCO team) got mixed up in his 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', for example, photograph numbers 23, 24 and 25...
Here is the diagram drawn by Jeremy for the police at the scene:-
Note, that Jeremy includes reference to a total of three .22 rifles that were present inside the farmhouse to his knowledge at the time of the tragedy..
(1) - The Semi Automatic
(2) - The Bolt Action
(3) - The Air Rifle...
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Thanks Mike
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Crime Scene photograph No.23 was taken by someone stood on the middle landing of the main stairs looking into the main bedroom, capturing the anshuzt rifle resting against the window - at the trial both Ron Cook and PC David Bird told deliberate lies about who had placed that rifle there and who had taken the photograph - Ron Cook stated that he had placed that rifle there before photograph 23 was taken, and PC Bird stated that he had taken that photograph...
But Crime scene photographs, 23, 24, and 25 were taken by the 1st team of SOCO, prior to the scene being handed over to the 2nd team of SOCO. DC Oakey or DC Henderson must have taken the photo' showing the rifle at the bedroom window (23) because we know that DC Oakey was still inside the farmhouse in order to take photo' No.25 which showe the rifle in Sheila caffells possession with its barrel resting against the left side of her neck...
The sequence with which these photographs were taken, therefore, confirms that the rifle at the bedroom window (23) was at thye window prior to it being moved onto Sgheila caffells body in photograph No.25 - THIS PROVES THAT THE POLICE THEMSELVES STAGED SHEILA CAFFELLS DEATH SCENE ON THE MAIN BEDROOM FLOOR, yet during the trial and since, it has been the Crowns case that Jeremy Bamber had been responsible for doing it...
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Mike,
Please can you run through each of the weapons that JEREMY said were in WHF.
Vs
What the Police say were found in WHF
If you could mention 'Moderators' 'cartridges' and 'ammunition'.
thanks
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I have from JEREMY'S list
1 x FULL ? SEMI
1 x .22 RIFLE AUTO
3 maybe 4 x DOUBLE BARREL SHOT GUN
1 X .22 RIFLE (BOLT ACTION)
1 X 410 SINGLE BARREL SHOTGUN
1 X 22 AIR RIFLE
Which of the above are capable of causing the gun shot wounds?
and which were accounted for by EP
thanks
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I have from JEREMY'S list
1 x FULL ? SEMI
1 x .22 RIFLE AUTO
3 maybe 4 x DOUBLE BARREL SHOT GUN
1 X .22 RIFLE (BOLT ACTION)
1 X 410 SINGLE BARREL SHOTGUN
1 X 22 AIR RIFLE
Which of the above are capable of causing the gun shot wounds?
and which were accounted for by EP
thanks
Bear in mind, that in 2003 /2004, I was taking advice from two firearm enthusiasts, who had previously testified in a murder suicide case!
These 'experts' were named as 'Glen' Smith, and 'Keith Mallinson, the former was the owner of 'junction 36 shooting range, the latter was a supervisor in the business (otherwise known to members, as 'a range officer's) - I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that between these two persons, that there wasn't much which could escape an opinion on their part! I had seen nothing these people at close quarters, carrying out their duties in firearms and shooting business, as well as their involvement in 'fireworks displays', involving explosives, that they didn't have a valid opinion about!
These two people knew their stuff, and to me they were just as qualified as any firearms expert that the prosecution could present as part of their case!
What I found out, whilst engaging in the exchange of information regarding these shootings, in particular, the two shots sustained by Sheila Caffell, was that the .22 BSA air rifle could not have inflicted either shot one (bullet PV/19, or the second shot (bullet PV/20) by virtue of the fact that there was evidence of residue deposits around the circumference of both of the aforementioned bullet entry wounds!
Once, they satisfied my curiosity regarding which type of weapon had been used in 'the shooting of Sheila Caffell', it became clear that there were only two possible known weapons at the scene capable of inflicting both shots, as described...
These two weapons were, (1) - Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, and (2) - the Bamber owned, .22 anshuzt rifle!
I then requested their opinion on the likelihood of one of these rifles, as opposed to the other, being more likely to have been the weapon used to shoot and kill Sheila Caffell?
In response to my query, they said that there was a significant discrepancy, involving the credibility of the bullet in connection with the first non fatal shot (bullet PV/20)! They pointed out that at the time of the autopsy performed on 7th August 1985, that the pathologist (Peter Venesis) had removed a piece of badly fragmented bullet, but by the time the prosecution's ballistic expert (Malcolm Fletcher) received the said bullet (PV/20), it had mysteriously been described as ' a WHOLE bullet'!
Moreover, as a result of 'it' being described as a whole bullet as of the 20th September 1985, the prosecution's ballistic expert (Fletcher) was able to conclude that Sheila had been shot twice, by way of the same anshuzt rifle!
It was clear, that the authorities had interfered with the identity of the original piece of badly fragmented bullet, that Venezis took from Sheila Caffell's neck on 7th August 1985...
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Bear in mind, that in 2003 /2004, I was taking advice from two firearm enthusiasts, who had previously testified in a murder suicide case!
These 'experts' were named as 'Glen' Smith, and 'Keith Mallinson, the former was the owner of 'junction 36 shooting range, the latter was a supervisor in the business (otherwise known to members, as 'a range officer's) - I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that between these two persons, that there wasn't much which could escape an opinion on their part! I had seen nothing these people at close quarters, carrying out their duties in firearms and shooting business, as well as their involvement in 'fireworks displays', involving explosives, that they didn't have a valid opinion about!
These two people knew their stuff, and to me they were just as qualified as any firearms expert that the prosecution could present as part of their case!
What I found out, whilst engaging in the exchange of information regarding these shootings, in particular, the two shots sustained by Sheila Caffell, was that the .22 BSA air rifle could not have inflicted either shot one (bullet PV/19, or the second shot (bullet PV/20) by virtue of the fact that there was evidence of residue deposits around the circumference of both of the aforementioned bullet entry wounds!
Once, they satisfied my curiosity regarding which type of weapon had been used in 'the shooting of Sheila Caffell', it became clear that there were only two possible known weapons at the scene capable of inflicting both shots, as described...
These two weapons were, (1) - Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, and (2) - the Bamber owned, .22 anshuzt rifle!
I then requested their opinion on the likelihood of one of these rifles, as opposed to the other, being more likely to have been the weapon used to shoot and kill Sheila Caffell?
In response to my query, they said that there was a significant discrepancy, involving the credibility of the bullet in connection with the first non fatal shot (bullet PV/20)! They pointed out that at the time of the autopsy performed on 7th August 1985, that the pathologist (Peter Venesis) had removed a piece of badly fragmented bullet, but by the time the prosecution's ballistic expert (Malcolm Fletcher) received the said bullet (PV/20), it had mysteriously been described as ' a WHOLE bullet'!
Moreover, as a result of 'it' being described as a whole bullet as of the 20th September 1985, the prosecution's ballistic expert (Fletcher) was able to conclude that Sheila had been shot twice, by way of the same anshuzt rifle!
It was clear, that the authorities had interfered with the identity of the original piece of badly fragmented bullet, that Venezis took from Sheila Caffell's neck on 7th August 1985...
Why did Essex police tampered with the original piece of badly fragmented bullet, recovered from Sheila's neck at some time between 7th August and the 20th September 1985?