Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on February 06, 2018, 04:51:PM
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=922.msg27459#msg27459
My comments are underneath the quoted text.
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'Bamber wanted police to collect him on their way to White House Farm, but West urged him to make his own way there and rendezvous with officers who would be in attendance outside.'
This double alibi attempt by Bamber was very incriminating.
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'Although he lived just a few minutes drive from his parents’ property, Bamber was overtaken by the white Ford Sierra as it sped towards the village of Tolleshunt D’Arcy.'
This is common knowledge by relates to the above.
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'At his trial Bamber didn’t challenge the police timeline or account of events, but when he later gained access to additional material recounting the officers’ experiences that morning, he identified several statements and pieces of information that he claims help exonerate him from responsibility for the murders.'
This didn't work but nothing to lose in trying.
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Sending a signal to clear the engaged tone, she was able to listen in to sounds inside the property, and told the police that the only thing audible was the sound of a barking dog (the Bambers’ Shih Tzu Crispy was later found cowering under their bed). The line could be monitored continuously from this point.
No bullets heard.
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“one dead male and one dead female in kitchen”.
The error was insignificant in itself, but when Bamber obtained a copy of the log in 2005, he quickly sought out anything that could be represented as an inconsistency and manipulated to support his claim that he’d been framed for the crime'.
This relates to Bamber having 'nothing to lose'.
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'Bamber had backed himself into a corner by claiming to have received the call from his father.'
It was now Sheila or Bamber.
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'Therefore the only possible culprits were Sheila or himself – and forensic evidence suggested Sheila didn’t do it.'
Correct.
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'A silencer designed for the Anschutz was recovered from a gun cupboard in the days following the massacre. Just visible inside was dried blood matching Sheila’s blood type. The silencer, which was also contaminated with red paint that matched scratches on the mantle shelf above the Aga.'
Common knowledge but only one piece of evidence.
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'By any account, Bamber lived it up after the deaths of his family, and spent a great deal of time partying with friends and preparing to disperse his parents’ property. Meanwhile, he attempted to sell the press topless photos of Sheila uncovered at her Maida Vale flat, and didn’t even attend the memorial service for his family held on the Sunday following the killings.'
Bamber thought he was watertight.
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'The 28-year-old mother of two may have grown up on a farm but was not used to handling firearms.'
There was also no evidence she had.
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'Her ex-husband would add that the effects of anti-psychotic drug haloperidol had made her uncoordinated and clumsy.'
I didn't know CC had said this.
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'Her (Julie) story of life in the month after the murders is a convincing tale of a person’s conscience unravelling due to the burden of carrying a great and terrible secret.'
Very unfair supporters expecting her to start revealing all 10 minutes after arriving at WHF.
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'Just as Mugford broke, confessing to close friends and readying herself to approach the police, Sergeant Jones had nearly finished pulling together his own case against Bamber. Had Julie not visited the police station in September, the detective would in any case have pulled her in for questioning.'
It's a good job Julie did approach the police otherwise the conspiracy theorists will be all over it.
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'It’s worth considering the implications of the defence’s claim. If it were true, several members of the Essex constabulary would have been aware of the existence of a call from Nevill on the morning of the murders. When officers began to suspect the son of involvement and started poking around for discrepancies in Jeremy’s story, they would quickly have turned up accounts of Nevill’s call, snuffing out any doubts they had about Sheila’s culpability.'
This is regarding the Nevill calling the police claim.
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'What’s curious is that although Jeremy was present at the time, he never suggested that officers were speaking to his sister until years later when he obtained the wireless log. It’s inconceivable that officers at the scene would not have updated him to this effect at any time that morning, particularly since they may have sought his involvement in any attempt to “talk Sheila down”
Unlike Michael Ryan, Sheila obviously didn't communicate with police. So Bamber has a cheek claiming decades later, she did.
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As a matter of interest,has anyone heard/seen any comment/s of late from the authors of such as the above and all the rest of the anti-Bamber crew who wrote damning words against JB ? Or have they all scarpered until the real truth surfaces,then they'll have the cheek to tell the opposite of what they originally wrote. I can imagine Woffinden making a quick U-turn---again.
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'Bamber also maintains that at 07.30 PC Collins did see a female in the kitchen: a dazed Sheila, having self-inflicted the first of two wounds (and one which pathologists accept would not have killed her outright), who is roused by the sound of Woodcock smashing down the main door and flees upstairs to her parents’ bedroom.'
This matches the OS reconstruction.
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'But there are prosaic explanations for this. The officers did interfere slightly with Sheila’s corpse: by their own account, the rifle was removed from her body and then returned when photographs were taken in order to represent the condition in which she was found.'
Her lower arm was moved.
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'Officers observed that wet blood had pooled in the crook of Sheila’s right arm. Congealed blood had also formed in the aperture of the lower neck wound. One possibility is that when Sheila was moved by officers at the scene, this plug became detached, and allowed blood accumulated within Sheila’s neck, viscous but not yet congealed, to run thickly beyond the entrance of the wound.'
The article does not mention the photo being enhanced to extra redness.
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'Arranging photographs of the scene chronologically in his cell, Bamber realised that he couldn’t make out the scratches in the first photographs which show most of the room: they were visible only in the close up pictures taken more than a month later'.
Bamber couldn't if there were scratches or not in the crime scene photos taken on the day of the massacre. We have to assume there were scratches.
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'If Bamber gets a third appeal, he will be the first convicted murderer to do so'.
I didn't know that.
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'But I for one was drawn to the story of White House Farm by fears a miscarriage of justice had taken place, and instead found myself resolutely convinced of the defendant’s guilt.'
I also first went into the case with no view, as didn't know anything. Obviously the evidence shows 100% guilt.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=922.msg27459#msg27459
My comments are underneath the quoted text.
that blogs not even anymore and hasn't been for a while how are we supposed to coment on it.
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As a matter of interest,has anyone heard/seen any comment/s of late from the authors of such as the above and all the rest of the anti-Bamber crew who wrote damning words against JB ? Or have they all scarpered until the real truth surfaces,then they'll have the cheek to tell the opposite of what they originally wrote. I can imagine Woffinden making a quick U-turn---again.
Why would they have any comments - on what?
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Why would they have any comments - on what?
In regard to the " publicity " on Twitter contradicting various statements etc. These authors have remained silent with nobody fighting back about what THEY'VE written as having been gospel to them.
I'm sure if I'd have taken the time and effort in writing a book with what I'd imagined as fact,then others turned up with entirely different versions,I'd be having something to say even if I said they were all talking through their hat,that their book was more accurate than anything said on Twitter.
The fact is,nobody has come forward to dispute what the CT team are doing or have posted. Why ?
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In regard to the " publicity " on Twitter contradicting various statements etc. These authors have remained silent with nobody fighting back about what THEY'VE written as having been gospel to them.
I'm sure if I'd have taken the time and effort in writing a book with what I'd imagined as fact,then others turned up with entirely different versions,I'd be having something to say even if I said they were all talking through their hat,that their book was more accurate than anything said on Twitter.
The fact is,nobody has come forward to dispute what the CT team are doing or have posted. Why ?
Who wrote one of the major books claiming Bamber was innocent? To my mind they all have a guilty slant apart from Scott Lomax, and isn't he just an academic writing for whatever cause that will bring him the most money?
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Who wrote one of the major books claiming Bamber was innocent? To my mind they all have a guilty slant apart from Scott Lomax, and isn't he just an academic writing for whatever cause that will bring him the most money?
Well none of them are so vocal now are they ?
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Well none of them are so vocal now are they ?
I always have the feeling with these people that it's just another case to them, with the possible exception of Carol Ann Lee, who at least kept contact with Bamber by post for years. Maybe it's a good thing they don't get too emotionally involved.
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As a matter of interest,has anyone heard/seen any comment/s of late from the authors of such as the above and all the rest of the anti-Bamber crew who wrote damning words against JB ? Or have they all scarpered until the real truth surfaces,then they'll have the cheek to tell the opposite of what they originally wrote. I can imagine Woffinden making a quick U-turn---again.
the auther of above was anon so weather they commented or not is unknown.
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In regard to the " publicity " on Twitter contradicting various statements etc. These authors have remained silent with nobody fighting back about what THEY'VE written as having been gospel to them.
I'm sure if I'd have taken the time and effort in writing a book with what I'd imagined as fact,then others turned up with entirely different versions,I'd be having something to say even if I said they were all talking through their hat,that their book was more accurate than anything said on Twitter.
The fact is,nobody has come forward to dispute what the CT team are doing or have posted. Why ?
Because they have heard it all before and really don't believe anything the CT say.
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That blog's not even anymore and hasn't been for a while. How are we supposed to comment on it?
It has moved to here (http://bambermugfordaccomplicestomurder.blogspot.co.uk/).
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that blogs not even anymore and hasn't been for a while how are we supposed to coment on it.
My link takes you to the whole article on the 'Miscarriges of Justice' forum.
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As a matter of interest,has anyone heard/seen any comment/s of late from the authors of such as the above and all the rest of the anti-Bamber crew who wrote damning words against JB ? Or have they all scarpered until the real truth surfaces,then they'll have the cheek to tell the opposite of what they originally wrote. I can imagine Woffinden making a quick U-turn---again.
People like Mckinstry & Woffinden have commented on the case since writing their articles. Woffinden in a documentary, Mckinstry on a radio phone in.
Bamber contacted Woffinden & Woffinden was seduced by Bamber's charm, later calling him a 'charming psychopath' in the documentary. He first wrote an article asking is Bamber innocent ? Which is not surprising as he specialises in looking at possible MOJ's. Then changed his mind to guilty when looking at the evidence.
It's doubtful Mckinsty ever believed Bamber was innocent. He is a hardcore guilter.
The author of 'Crime, heart & coronets' went into the case looking for a miscarriage of justice. But just became more certain of Bamber's guilt after looking at the evidence.
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There is nothing,that I see,to describe JB as " charming ". No way is he your descriptive psychopath or a psychopath at all. They're NOT like him I can assure you. Nothing about him was " charming " . As a youth/young man he was immature and tried to be something that he wasn't and it showed.
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Reply 25 is probably the most accurate assessment of him the poster has ever made. I believe many of those of the older generation ever beheld him as being an obnoxious little prig. I think most of his male peer group beheld him as a full of himself pain in the 'rs' and braggart who they'd rather not have as a friend, but was always ready to flash the cash. The numerous girls whose knickers he managed to charm his way into would probably see a different side to him.
I would add that psychopaths, like the rest of us, come in different shapes and sizes. Luckily, for them, they don't have "Psychopath" emblazoned across their brows or anywhere else, which is why they're not easily recognized until AFTER they've successfully pulled wool over our eyes. SOME psychopaths won't appear to be like Jeremy -they won't have had the advantages he had, for starters- others, with or without those advantages, will appear to be exactly like him. Their common denominator is that the nearest thing they have to empathy or soul is pretense.
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all ive seen from wolfingon is one article wich I know he didn't write he just sighed hes name to it Richard Webster wrote it.
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People like Mckinstry & Woffinden have commented on the case since writing their articles. Woffinden in a documentary, Mckinstry on a radio phone in.
Bamber contacted Woffinden & Woffinden was seduced by Bamber's charm, later calling him a 'charming psychopath' in the documentary. He first wrote an article asking is Bamber innocent ? Which is not surprising as he specialises in looking at possible MOJ's. Then changed his mind to guilty when looking at the evidence.
It's doubtful Mckinsty ever believed Bamber was innocent. He is a hardcore guilter.
The author of 'Crime, heart & coronets' went into the case looking for a miscarriage of justice. But just became more certain of Bamber's guilt after looking at the evidence.
What this means is that either Jeremy is a psychopath or Bob Woffinden was.