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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on December 15, 2017, 11:44:AM
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There's àre still thousands of documents yet to be reviewed in my possession...
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I also have a shed full of material evidence!
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Please be patient!
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There's àre still thousands of documents yet to be reviewed in my possession...
Yes Mike, I can see there are.............and that's without those you say you have in your shed. This leads me on to my next questions -firstly, I imagine any thoughts Jeremy may have harboured of imminent release must have flown out of the window- 1) If Jeremy gave all this literature into your safe-keeping, how does he know that you're not holding on to the one piece of information which could free him 2) How can his legal team continue with their investigation when they haven't seen it all? 3) How many years will it take you/others? to go through, with a fine tooth comb, all the information you're holding? 4) If it was you in that cell, how do you think you might be feeling, if, having given all that information into someone's safe-keeping, they'd kept it for years and done nothing with it? (I'm not pointing a finger, here. I know your life has taken some unexpected turns) 5) Might it be possible that Jeremy is leading on a wild goose chase, everyone who's supporting him?
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Yes Mike, I can see there are.............and that's without those you say you have in your shed. This leads me on to my next questions -firstly, I imagine any thoughts Jeremy may have harboured of imminent release must have flown out of the window- 1) If Jeremy gave all this literature into your safe-keeping, how does he know that you're not holding on to the one piece of information which could free him 2) How can his legal team continue with their investigation when they haven't seen it all? 3) How many years will it take you/others? to go through, with a fine tooth comb, all the information you're holding? 4) If it was you in that cell, how do you think you might be feeling, if, having given all that information into someone's safe-keeping, they'd kept it for years and done nothing with it? (I'm not pointing a finger, here. I know your life has taken some unexpected turns) 5) Might it be possible that Jeremy is leading on a wild goose chase, everyone who's supporting him?
If I remember correctly. Mike got these from one of Jeremy's solicitors that no longer needed to hold on them.
A lot of this material will have been photocopied numerous times.
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It looks like the different pieces of new information Roch, Bill, JackieD & David have said they found but were not able to release, have come to nothing. These are dating back nearly 2 years.
Hopefully there is something in Mike's shed that will benefit Jeremy.
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If I remember correctly. Mike got these from one of Jeremy's solicitors that no longer needed to hold on them.
A lot of this material will have been photocopied numerous times.
From which one must conclude, that having been previously pored over by numerous legal brains, prior to Mike taking charge of them, there's nothing there which will aid his release.
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From which one must conclude, that having been previously pored over by numerous legal brains, prior to Mike taking charge of them, there's nothing there which will aid his release.
Yes, there is...
Residue stains on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress!¬
There are those amongst us who are doing there best to be as dishonest as they can be in their opinions...
They will never admit the truth even if it is slammed in their faces...
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Yes, there is...
Residue stains on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress!¬
There are those amongst us who are doing there best to be as dishonest as they can be in their opinions...
They will never admit the truth even if it is slammed in their faces...
I wholeheartedly concur, Mike ;)
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Yes, there is...
Residue stains on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress!¬
There are those amongst us who are doing there best to be as dishonest as they can be in their opinions...
They will never admit the truth even if it is slammed in their faces...
Residue stains on the left hand said of Sheila's Nightdress, tells a story of its own...
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From which one must conclude, that having been previously pored over by numerous legal brains, prior to Mike taking charge of them, there's nothing there which will aid his release.
re-examination of the case files and more public exposure to the evidence will help.
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re-examination of the case files and more public exposure to the evidence will help.
As Mike has had them, in his possession, for several years, it stands to reason, that whatever legal team was on the case at the time, must have pored over them for a significant period of time, prior to handing them over. It doesn't look as if there was anything that immediately jumped out at them. I would take a very dim view of a legal team who had to resort to the general public to solve a case.
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re-examination of the case files and more public exposure to the evidence will help.
What evidence?
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The evidence that's hidden ?
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Unless you can prove that there are no withheld documents ? Can you ?
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Unless you can prove that there are no withheld documents ? Can you ?
Those alleged 'withheld' documents can be used as a fall back from here to eternity.
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Unless you can prove that there are no withheld documents ? Can you ?
Can you prove that there were?
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Those alleged 'withheld' documents can be used as a fall back from here to eternity.
Excuses excuses.Are there any withheld documents or not ?
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Excuses excuses.Are there any withheld documents or not ?
Personally, I don't think there are, just things that weren't used at trial. Jeremy has already been told if he asked for specific documents, he can have them but he won't play ball. Guess as long as he maintains they're being withheld, it makes him the victim! Boo Hoo! :'(
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What evidence?
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You're joking right?
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Excuses excuses.Are there any withheld documents or not ?
There is a document that lists the boxes of evidence under PII. That was in 2003 so I don't know what the situation is now.
Physical evidence and crime scene photos that would have answered a lot of questions have long been destroyed.
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There is a document that lists the boxes of evidence under PII. That was in 2003 so I don't know what the situation is now.
Physical evidence and crime scene photos that would have answered a lot of questions have long been destroyed.
I guess they have been destroyed. This is why EP have ignored court orders because of their embarrassment at having to admit so. Least said and all that-----------
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There is a document that lists the boxes of evidence under PII. That was in 2003 so I don't know what the situation is now.
Physical evidence and crime scene photos that would have answered a lot of questions have long been destroyed.
Hmm, that does seem to have become the legend.
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I suppose that's one way of securing a conviction---------destroy all the evidence.Who's going to listen to a member of joe public against that of a police officer ?
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I suppose that's one way of securing a conviction---------destroy all the evidence.Who's going to listen to a member of joe public against that of a police officer ?
Another fall back to be used ad finitum.
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Another fall back to be used ad finitum.
Another excuse for not giving a straight reply.
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Another excuse for not giving a straight reply.
Was there a question?
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Was there a question?
Yes,I asked you if there were any withheld documents.
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Yes,I asked you if there were any withheld documents.
Well, whilst I can't give you a definitive answer, it's been stated that Jeremy can apply for, and have whatever he specifies in the way of documentation, but he seemed not to have taken them up on the offer. However, he's has told numerous people on many different occasions that he has everything he needs (by way of documentation) so I can only presume there are no longer any held.
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I suppose that's one way of securing a conviction---------destroy all the evidence.Who's going to listen to a member of joe public against that of a police officer ?
They had already secured a conviction and he'd had an appeal before ANY evidence was destroyed.
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They had already secured a conviction and he'd had an appeal before ANY evidence was destroyed.
In a kangaroo court.
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In a kangaroo court.
In your opinion. Nevertheless, it was a conviction.
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They had already secured a conviction and he'd had an appeal before ANY evidence was destroyed.
The conviction was secured by the prosecution in part by not showing the Jury evidence that undermined their case.
Like that time when you cropped the toes and nail varnish from that photo of Sheila's foot. Its easy to convince people what you want them to believe if you dont show them the whole picture. ;D
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The conviction was secured by the prosecution in part by not showing the Jury evidence that undermined their case.
Like that time when you cropped the toes and nail varnish from that photo of Sheila's foot. Its easy to convince people what you want them to believe if you dont show them the whole picture. ;D
What didn't they show the jury?
Just like you now - with your USUAL underhandedness - I didn't CROP the picture, I ENLARGED an area that did NOT match with the picture you were comparing it to! But you already know that! What would be the point of me editing a picture that EVERYONE had seen and that I KNEW you already had, in order to hide something? Just shows what a complete loser you are - you are not as clever as you think you are; Just WAY MORE paranoid!
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As Mike has had them, in his possession, for several years, it stands to reason, that whatever legal team was on the case at the time, must have pored over them for a significant period of time, prior to handing them over.
That is not what happened.
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That is not what happened.
As well as a shed full, and almost half a spare bedroom full, I also have boxes of evidence stored in my downstairs bathroom...
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As well as a shed full, and almost half a spare bedroom full, I also have boxes of evidence stored in my downstairs bathroom...
Many of he documents under my control are originals..
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I hope to start delving into all this material in the coming days!
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Many of he documents under my control are originals..
But would have been copied.
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But would have been copied.
Not necessarily..
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Not necessarily..
So in your possession there are things not previously seen by any of Jeremy's legal teams?
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So in your possession there are things not previously seen by any of Jeremy's legal teams?
There are certainly many things not seen by either JB's current legal team or the Campaign Team.
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I would also have thought that NGB because of the " rape " case which we all saw/read about yesterday where thousands of emails and pages of documents were totally ignored by police.
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There are certainly many things not seen by either JB's current legal team or the Campaign Team.
I would imagine that is true of most cases but it doesn't mean that they show Jeremy to be innocent. What gets me is the claims that 'there is a document that proves A B or C that is being held by EP' - if that were true, how would they know what such documents contain. Also, if the silencer was faked, no one would have written it down.
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I would just like to add as a side note that I am very sad that Justice felt he had no alternative other than to leave the forum (only found out yesterday) after Mike's disgusting outburst It's sad when documents appear on here claiming to be 'official' and when challenged by members they are insulted to the highest degree and have their personal details broadcast - if 'we' as members don't challenge such claims then the forum isn't really worth it's salt. We should be able to ask for verification without being insulted and have confidential details posted on the open forum. Personally, I think Mike owes Justice a MASSIVE apology! I would have sent this to him in PM, but he'd have just ignored it and it's my way of registering my objection.
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I've never believed a posted document on here to be false. I mean, creating a false document. Most wouldn't know how.
Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked. Sometimes it can take hours or days before a source is supplied with a lot of huffing in between.
I don't agree that posters are not obliged to provide sources. It's a forum on a real life crime. So if a statement is made, a back up source should be supplied. Espescially if requested.
Another frustrating thing for guilters is when claims of new information are made, but not released on the forum. These are big claims showing Bamber is innocent. These are now dating back years & haven't come to anything. Hopefully Roch, JackieD, Bill & David will now release these to the forum.
No one can accuse Mike of not providing sources. I look forward to seeing some more.
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I've never believed a posted document on here to be false. I mean, creating a false document. Most wouldn't know how.
Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked. Sometimes it can take hours or days before a source is supplied with a lot of huffing in between.
I don't agree that posters are not obliged to provide sources. It's a forum on a real life crime. So if a statement is made, a back up source should be supplied. Espescially if requested.
Another frustrating thing for guilters is when claims of new information are made, but not released on the forum. These are big claims showing Bamber is innocent. These are now dating back years & haven't come to anything. Hopefully Roch, JackieD, Bill & David will now release these to the forum.
No one can accuse Mike of not providing sources. I look forward to seeing some more.
It's really easy to create a new document from an old one however, it doesn't have to be Mike who edited it for it to be false. In order to make a false document, all you have to do is take any of the statements, save it, open it in a picture editor (such as photoshop), remove the statement content and replace it with another name and details (using a font such as Courier). If you then print it, scan and save it - it won't show that it was edited, it would just look as though it were picked out of a pile, scanned and uploaded to the forum. It wouldn't fool a professional, but it would fool someone desperate enough to believe that Bamber is innocent. I created the one in 5 minutes and posted it last week to demonstrate how easy it was/is.
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It's really easy to create a new document from an old one however, it doesn't have to be Mike who edited it for it to be false. In order to make a false document, all you have to do is take any of the statements, save it, open it in a picture editor (such as photoshop), remove the statement content and replace it with another name and details (using a font such as Courier). If you then print it, scan and save it - it won't show that it was edited, it would just look as though it were picked out of a pile, scanned and uploaded to the forum. It wouldn't fool a professional, but it would fool someone desperate enough to believe that Bamber is innocent. I created the one in 5 minutes and posted it last week to demonstrate how easy it was/is.
I don't believe any documents posted on here have been edited by the poster. Whether they were falsified 30 years earlier, no one will know.
All documents posted on here I treat as genuine. However a genuine document posted doesn't mean the poster has backed up their claim.
David yesterday posted a document which simply had the names of 5 people on. I believe it's a genuine document but in no way does it show that these 5 people simultaneously had access to Sheila's blood & wanted Bamber disinherited. Which was my original question. Yesterday I asked David for further information.
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I always like giving a source. It only takes a few seconds to find & backs up my statement. So not sure what the problem is with other posters.
I will happily provide sources upon request as well. I would have done this after I posted about Bamber telling the police Sheila committed child abuse (source Wilkes book). However Lookout instantly called me a 'liar' rather than requesting a source. This creates a bad atmosphere on the forum.
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There are certainly many things not seen by either JB's current legal team or the Campaign Team.
What I am saying is that I have documents which are the original versions of documents, signed in ink, some documents have red inked signatures, initials, and comments, other documents are in blue ink, and some are in black ink - many are not photocopies, I have the originals which would have been destroyed in 2003 / 2004 if I had not volunteered to take possession of them! I know that when Ewen Smith was representing Jeremy that he had not seen some of the documents I produced for him to look at, and of course when Jeremy hired GDS he too had not seen documents in my possession! What I ended up with was disclosure of material after the failed 2002 which was being stored and kept in a garage in Essex by one of Jeremy's close friends, but they needed to space because grandchildren came long and they needed more space to park a bigger vehicle and nobody had any room to store the material further - it was all destined to be destroyed until I volunteered to take it all...
Amongst the stuff were unopened letters addressed to Jeremy from various members of the public which Jeremy had not even bothered to open and read...
Anyway, as I say I have it all, its not everything, but its a substantial amount...
I know there must be things that his legal team cannot have seen because the presence of residue from the ejection port that was found on the left hand side of Sheila's nightdress was evidence that anybody would have relied upon to support the case for Sheila having fired the rifle left handed with the ejection port facing inward toward the left hand side of her body. The anshuzt rifle was designed to be fired by a right handed shooter with the ejection port facing away from the body! Anyone who handled that rifle on a regular basis and fired it on some other previous occasions would never have held the gun in such a way that the spent cartridges would eject against their own body! The Ballistic Expert for the prosecution kept this vital evidence all to himself, which caused the jury to rely on a lack of lead deposit on Sheila's hand swabs, to to find that Sheila had not loaded bullets or handled the gun at the time of the shootings! Well, that residue on the left hand side of Sheila's nightdress profoundly suggests that she had fired the gun and that she did fire it! When shee had done, she must have held the gun in a way it was never designed to be fired, with the fingers of her left hand around the trigger mechanism, and her outstretched right arm holding toward the end of the rifles barrel. I am not so stupid as some of you might choose to believe that I am, I know a thing or two, and it now becomes clear to me that Sheila had handled the rifle and that she was handling it when shots were fired from it..
The smears of blood, the gouges in the region of her right wrist and the top part of her right hand, now take on new significance, and for what its worth I shall now proceed to outline that significance!
At all times when the shooter was firing bullets out of that gun, the shooter (Sheila) held the gun on the wrong side of her body to which the rifle in question was designee to be used (the shooter was Sheila), in so doing she had the fingers of her right hand close to and when necessary upon the trigger operating it when she fired shots. A significant feature of of this was that at all times that she fired bullets at a victim (all of them) she had her right arm outstretched along toward the end of the guns barrel. What this served to do is that it placed her right hand, her right wrist, and her right forearm in between her body and the person she did fire the gun at...
I am of course, and in particular referring to the shootings of June Bamber and Neville Bamber (not the child victims, for reasons which will become apparent)! I do not believe that June or Neville did not try to grasp the gun from Sheila when she was shooting at them! In fact I would expect Nevill Bamber to fight back, and the first contact he would have had with Sheila was with her right hand, her right wrist and her right forearm which we now know she must have been using to steady the barrel of the gun, holding the gun so that after each fire of the gun by her, residue from the ejection port which is situated on the right side of the gun contaminated the left hand side of her nightdress!
The following crime scene photographs tend to support that which I am saying, they show that there was for some reason contact with a victim, or blood from a victim, all over her right forearm, her right wrist and the top part of her right hand!
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I am particularly interested in the following image and whatever was responsible for making those markings on the top part of Sheila Caffells right hand:-
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Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked.
I provide sources all the time. Whereas your idea of providing a "source" is making up some bullshit and writing "COA Undisputed" at the end of it. At best you copy and paste from the COA judgement without including the sources that the COA relied apon.
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I am particularly interested in the following image and whatever was responsible for making those markings on the top part of Sheila Caffells right hand:-
Fix the following image in your minds and try to imagine that Sheila was the shooter, that Sheila is the shooter - her right arm outstretched and where the guns barrel extends and where the wood and the metal meet Sheila was resting that part of the gun on the top part of her right hand, that's how the mark on the top part of her right hand got made...
Now look at the following images of the fingers of her left hand - and what I will refer to as showing a view of her trigger finger!!
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Sheila handled the gun awkwardly, on the wrong side of her body, she fired bullets from the gun, the spent cartridges were ejected and residue from the ejection port of the gun contaminated the Left hand side of her nightdress...
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Sheila handled the gun awkwardly, on the wrong side of her body, she fired bullets from the gun, the spent cartridges were ejected and residue from the ejection port of the gun contaminated the Left hand side of her nightdress...
The ballistic expert for the prosecution withheld this key evidence and made no mention of it at all in his witness statement or trial testimony!
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Mike,do you want me to include anything in the letter I'm writing to Jeremy ?
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I'd trust Jeremy against you any day !! He's told the truth all along but has unfortunately been surrounded by people just like you who are completely void of any feeling except for themselves. I'm actually in the middle of writing to him now.
One thing for sure,he'll have sussed out people like you,as he had with his relatives. He's not the fool who EP and the rest took him for.
But, thankfully for you, it will be people just like us, who will be there for you after Jeremy does to you what he appears to have done to everyone he no longer feels he has the need for. I have NO doubt that he susses people out. They'll be split between those he can use and those he can't...................as for the bit about ME having no feelings for anyone but myself, it's not I who inserts what I do/don't do for my family/friends/charity, into every other post, so I guess that'll be you talking about yourself again.
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But, thankfully for you, it will be people just like us, who will be there for you after Jeremy does to you what he appears to have done to everyone he no longer feels he has the need for. I have NO doubt that he susses people out. They'll be split between those he can use and those he can't...................as for the bit about ME having no feelings for anyone but myself, it's not I who inserts what I do/don't do for my family/friends/charity, into every other post, so I guess that'll be you talking about yourself again.
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Most likely these " others " that you speak about ( and repeat what's been said ::) have turned out to be backstabbers and turncoats like yourself. As I said,he's no fool and can suss their sort out no bother.
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You should worry------" I've got no knowledge of this particular subject ". I can't shine at everything I don't suppose.
Never mind Lookout, you'll find something one day!
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Never mind Lookout, you'll find something one day!
Yes----the truth for Jeremy.
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Yes----the truth for Jeremy.
But you can't tell him something he already knows. ;D ;D
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Personally, I don't think there are, just things that weren't used at trial. Jeremy has already been told if he asked for specific documents, he can have them but he won't play ball. Guess as long as he maintains they're being withheld, it makes him the victim! Boo Hoo! :'(
There was hundreds of thousands of documents withheld from Bambers legal team pre-trial, not only stuff which supposedly fell under pii - there are still to this day a very large amount of documents still either missing, unaccounted for, or still being withheld under the same (get out of jail free clause) pii...
Also, there are photographs taken by the first SOC team who captured the various scene inside whf, between 9.00am and 10.00am, which coincided with senior officers performing their 'informatives' when they shifted the bodies one by one off the top of the bed, and [positioned them both on the bedroom floor either side of the bed! Sheila's body was photographed on top of the bed sporting only one shot to the neck, I have seen it myself, I had the photograph in question in my possession, I posted it to Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, but it was intercepted by Prison Security, and it caused merry hell between Jeremy and his new legal representative (GDS), and between Jeremy and myself, but he knows that I had that photograph, and he knows that I sent it in to him, and he knows that I took it from the album of photographs loaned to Ewen Smith by the CCRC, on the quiet because Ewen had applied to work for the CCRC, and eventually was accepted as part of their organisation...
Sheila Caffell was definitely laid on top of the bed, shot once in the neck, with no gun on or near her body, and no bible on her chest or anywhere near her body on the bed at all..
I do not say that I ever saw a photograph of Sheila's and Junes bodies on the bed together, because I didn't but from what Ann Eaton says she was told by a cop she cannot remember the name of that Sheila's and Junes bodies were found on top of the bed side by side of one another, and that there was a rifle on the bed in between both bodies, and that Sheila had a bible on her chest!
I am not saying that the first team of SOC ( DC Oakey and DC Henderson) who captured the various crime scenes at the farmhouse never photographed both of the bodies on the bed before senior officers authorised the movement of them, to either side of the bed in which they had been laying upon, since I have never seen any such photograph(s) but they must surely exist...
I am not here to tell lies, I am here primarily to get to the truth, albeit my version of the truth...
My version of the truth in this matter is more believable than the version of the truth which Essex police, the relatives, and the experts from the lab', have been responsible for presenting...
Greed on the part of certain relatives, and fear on the part of Essex police, lies at the heart of this case...
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But you can't tell him something he already knows. ;D ;D
It depends upon what you mean, regarding what you say he already knows!
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How are you getting on with the documents in you're shed Mike. Any new information ?
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Mike,do you want me to include anything in the letter I'm writing to Jeremy ?
Please pass on my regards to him, I do not need to hear from him personally, since it is better that we are not in direct contact with one another, otherwise people might think we are colluding! Just tell him on my behalf that I will have him and his predicament in my mind and heart at this time of year, and please remind him of the Christmas we spent locked together in his cell for three to four hours on that particular Christmas (its not very often that a triple category A prisoner is allowed to mingle with someone considered to be so dangerous). I am spending Christmas alone this year, just like him, albeit I am out here, and he is in there. I say I am spending Christmas alone, but that is not entirely true because I have got my carers and I have got my dog (mist' le toe)...
Thank you!
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How are you getting on with the documents in you're shed Mike. Any new information ?
Adam, I know we are on opposite sides of the fence in this case,but believe me when I say that I will be posting new material up as and when I come come across, or upon it...
I am currently trying to deal with a bit at a time...
I have a few boxes of material in my downstairs bathroom which I am trying to go through - once I eventually deal with that my next task will be to get my carers to bring me box by box from the shed into the house, so that I can start on it all, after that I will hopefully be able to get my carers to bring me down everything from my spare bedroom so that I can sift through everything in my possession. I will of course post up everything I think or believe to be relevant whether or not it might cast Jeremy in a good light or a poor one!
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Please pass on my regards to him, I do not need to hear from him personally, since it is better that we are not in direct contact with one another, otherwise people might think we are colluding! Just tell him on my behalf that I will have him and his predicament in my mind and heart at this time of year, and please remind him of the Christmas we spent locked together in his cell for three to four hours on that particular Christmas (its not very often that a triple category A prisoner is allowed to mingle with someone considered to be so dangerous). I am spending Christmas alone this year, just like him, albeit I am out here, and he is in there. I say I am spending Christmas alone, but that is not entirely true because I have got my carers and I have got my dog (mist' le toe)...
Thank you!
Mike,I will certainly pass on your wishes. I'll be posting the letter/card tomorrow. If anything, Jeremy has got far more company than you have :( In fact,it's long been a bone of contention with me in that prisoners have always been better off than some pensioners come Christmas,though I now realise that there are exceptions--------such as in this case.
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Mike,I will certainly pass on your wishes. I'll be posting the letter/card tomorrow. If anything, Jeremy has got far more company than you have :( In fact,it's long been a bone of contention with me in that prisoners have always been better off than some pensioners come Christmas,though I now realise that there are exceptions--------such as in this case.
Yes, thank you!
I agree, from my experiences of being detained, prisoners (and I was one of them) did enjoy comforts not available or affordable to most pensioners or ordinary people at Christmas time!
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There was hundreds of thousands of documents withheld from Bambers legal team pre-trial, not only stuff which supposedly fell under pii - there are still to this day a very large amount of documents still either missing, unaccounted for, or still being withheld under the same (get out of jail free clause) pii...
Also, there are photographs taken by the first SOC team who captured the various scene inside whf, between 9.00am and 10.00am, which coincided with senior officers performing their 'informatives' when they shifted the bodies one by one off the top of the bed, and [positioned them both on the bedroom floor either side of the bed! Sheila's body was photographed on top of the bed sporting only one shot to the neck, I have seen it myself, I had the photograph in question in my possession, I posted it to Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, but it was intercepted by Prison Security, and it caused merry hell between Jeremy and his new legal representative (GDS), and between Jeremy and myself, but he knows that I had that photograph, and he knows that I sent it in to him, and he knows that I took it from the album of photographs loaned to Ewen Smith by the CCRC, on the quiet because Ewen had applied to work for the CCRC, and eventually was accepted as part of their organisation...
Sheila Caffell was definitely laid on top of the bed, shot once in the neck, with no gun on or near her body, and no bible on her chest or anywhere near her body on the bed at all..
I do not say that I ever saw a photograph of Sheila's and Junes bodies on the bed together, because I didn't but from what Ann Eaton says she was told by a cop she cannot remember the name of that Sheila's and Junes bodies were found on top of the bed side by side of one another, and that there was a rifle on the bed in between both bodies, and that Sheila had a bible on her chest!
I am not saying that the first team of SOC ( DC Oakey and DC Henderson) who captured the various crime scenes at the farmhouse never photographed both of the bodies on the bed before senior officers authorised the movement of them, to either side of the bed in which they had been laying upon, since I have never seen any such photograph(s) but they must surely exist...
I am not here to tell lies, I am here primarily to get to the truth, albeit my version of the truth...
My version of the truth in this matter is more believable than the version of the truth which Essex police, the relatives, and the experts from the lab', have been responsible for presenting...
Greed on the part of certain relatives, and fear on the part of Essex police, lies at the heart of this case...
And the same will be true of most cases or the trial would last years. Look at how much paperwork you have - do you think every single document should have been show to the jury? How confused would they be trawling through that lot? The trial is a condensed version of the case with the main aspects presented.
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And the same will be true of most cases or the trial would last years. Look at how much paperwork you have - do you think every single document should have been show to the jury? How confused would they be trawling through that lot? The trial is a condensed version of the case with the main aspects presented.
Aah, so now we are getting down to the truth of the situation - the prosecution and its allies decide upon which parts they will fight to prosecute somebody, it may not matter that they have in their possession evidence which contradicts that which they seek to rely upon (fair enough), but then they withhold the key evidence which exposes the lies they are relying upon, under the 'guise of pii, or worse still, undisclosed material which cannot be viewed by a defendants counsel because it might be stored in various places through a particular region...
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Aah, so now we are getting down to the truth of the situation - the prosecution and its allies decide upon which parts they will fight to prosecute somebody, it may not matter that they have in their possession evidence which contradicts that which they seek to rely upon (fair enough), but then they withhold the key evidence which exposes the lies they are relying upon, under the 'guise of pii, or worse still, undisclosed material which cannot be viewed by a defendants counsel because it might be stored in various places through a particular region...
Well, that's the way you're looking at it but it happens in every case or a trial would never end would it?
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Well, that's the way you're looking at it but it happens in every case or a trial would never end would it?
I think your missing the point, since armed with all this information, much of which contradicts the claim that somebody committed an offence, or other, the decision to prosecute leads to miscarriages of justice - its alright saying that this evidence and that evidence supports the case for somebody or other having committed an offence, but if those that make the decision to prosecute someone have other evidence or information in their possession which suggest otherwise, its a complete waste of public funds and court time having a trial in the first instance!
This was the situation in the instant case, where the police had gathered evidence and information thaat Sheila had shot and killed the others and that they say she had then gone on to commit suicide!
Hey, listen please, there are very few cases where the police have different crime reference no.'s for the same case but it happened in this prosecution! It started off as SC/688/85 and changed into SC/786/85! Furthermore, the Lab' case reference, altered from 2464/85 and became F/790/85...
Taking the matter a step further, just to make the point, various key exhibits even had their exhibit references altered, and the corresponding Lab' item No.'s altered..
Now, please, lets not try to pretend that this was not entirely confusing and to a great degree somewhat dishonest? Oh, ok lets not say 'dishonest' because the powers that be are not dishonest, its all done with the best intentions...