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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on November 25, 2017, 05:27:AM
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Here is the official interview transcript:-
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
Yes, it's the very first time I have come across this particular interview record, but that is not surprising since yesterday I had cause to visit one of the persons who has been storing some of the case material and recovered it so that I could have a look through for previously unseen records, statements and documents, etc...
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" Colin sending her round the bend ".I wonder what that's about ?
JB was never one for opening up about anything,but I bet he could tell a few hidden tales. Instead,he's stayed loyal to everyone it would seem-------pity there was never any reciprocation !
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" Colin sending her round the bend ".I wonder what that's about ?
JB was never one for opening up about anything,but I bet he could tell a few hidden tales. Instead, he's stayed loyal to everyone it would seem-------pity there was never any reciprocation !
The person you talk about he, bears no resemblance to Jeremy Bamber!
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The person you talk about he, bears no resemblance to Jeremy Bamber!
What are you on about now ? I just asked a searching question and as usual I'm met with the usual hostility instead of a firm explanation.
However,I've come to expect this abruptness so I should be well used to it by now.
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The person you talk about he, bears no resemblance to Jeremy Bamber!
I think Lookout is referring to 'at the time' of the Brett Eric Collins interview, because post that era there are many examples where for whatever reason Jeremy has been far from loyal to some...
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Such a shame Jeremy hated his mother and had no love for his father, in your teens you often go through these fads, but, to carry this anger through into his twenties it must have been a deep hatred and one that caused him to commit to murder. I suppose the hatred and no love, coupled with the fact he saw June giving away his inheritance as such to the Church of which he had no control made him commit these terrible crimes.
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I think Lookout is referring to 'at the time' of the Brett Eric Collins interview, because post that era there are many examples where for whatever reason Jeremy has been far from loyal to some...
Lookout will never believe it. In her eyes, Jeremy can do no wrong.
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Such a shame Jeremy hated his mother and had no love for his father, in your teens you often go through these fads, but, to carry this anger through into his twenties it must have been a deep hatred and one that caused him to commit to murder. I suppose the hatred and no love, coupled with the fact he saw June giving away his inheritance as such to the Church of which he had no control made him commit these terrible crimes.
Interesting that Brett picked up on the state of play between Jeremy and Nevill.
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Thanks Mike.
Did Jeremy ever tell you how he got the two Cartier watches ?
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Just had a look at Cartier watch prices. The first 20 watches that came up varied between £2,000 - £40,000.
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Thanks Mike.
Did Jeremy ever tell you how he got the two Cartier watches ?
Hello, Adam, yes, he mentioned that he purchased (it may be that he did not actually purchase these, but came about them by some other means) them whilst on his so called World tour. But then again, I can't be absolutely sure whether he only acquired one of these watches there, and the other in Amsterdam, sorry, its such a long time ago, I did keep records of everything we ever discusssed but until I come across those notes again, I cannot be entirely sure as to whether he obtained one, or two of the said watches at the same time, in the same part of the world...
Sorry..
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It must have been hard for Jeremy, knowing June was giving her money to the church. This could have carried on for another 20 years. This together with the twins being given a larger slice of her will, would have been very frustrating for him.
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Interesting that Brett picked up on the state of play between Jeremy and Nevill.
Oh, it must have been quite evident Jane, it’s a shame he plays the role of a loving son to his supporters and yet within the prison walls he possesses a disturbingly hatred for his family, this is how psychopaths work Jane.
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Just had a look at Cartier watch prices. The first 20 watches that came up varied between £2,000 - £40,000.
Good grief, no wonder they were targeted by criminals.
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Hello, Adam, yes, he mentioned that he purchased (it may be that he did not actually purchase these, but came about them by some other means) them whilst on his so called World tour. But then again, I can't be absolutely sure whether he only acquired one of these watches there, and the other in Amsterdam, sorry, its such a long time ago, I did keep records of everything we ever discusssed but until I come across those notes again, I cannot be entirely sure as to whether he obtained one, or two of the said watches at the same time, in the same part of the world...
Sorry..
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4575.msg188249.html#msg188249
Thank you Mike.
I just checked Susan Battersby's WS. It seems both watches were obtained while Jeremy was in Australia or New Zealand.
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It must have been hard for Jeremy, knowing June was giving her money to the church. This could have carried on for another 20 years. This together with the twins being given a larger slice of her will, would have been very frustrating for him.
I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...
Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...
It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...
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I think Lookout is referring to 'at the time' of the Brett Eric Collins interview, because post that era there are many examples where for whatever reason Jeremy has been far from loyal to some...
Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.
One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.
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Good grief, no wonder they were targeted by criminals.
I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p. Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.
I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.
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What are you on about now ? I just asked a searching question and as usual I'm met with the usual hostility instead of a firm explanation.
However,I've come to expect this abruptness so I should be well used to it by now.
No Lookout, you asked a question then had to add on the usual 'he was such a lovely boy and can do no harm' extension. Like I said, the person you talk about is nothing like Jeremy Bamber.
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I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...
Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...
It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...
Not if you didn't know it mattered. And in the end, it didn't matter, they just went by who was the oldest victim.
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I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p. Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.
I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.
Well done Adam, I’m not a watch person myself, but the son in law is having a special edition Para watch made, Ive heard figures between £5000 to £8000, would that be right? He’s in Iraq at moment so I will text him, he showed me photos just before he went back. I do love to see nice watches on men, but I always think I could spend my money on something else, thanks for sharing your knowledge of watched Adam.
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Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.
One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.
If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.
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I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...
Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...
It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...
The "suggested" planning isn't necessarily the planning which was employed, the first seeds of which MAY have taken root when within a matter of weeks, Jeremy not only learned of his adoption but was sent -away- to a boarding school. Even if he'd known -and planned for- the deaths to take place in inheritance order, there was no guarantee -other than leaving TOD notes on the bodies!!!- that the exact order of TOD's would be arrived at.
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If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.
Yeah right. Yet again, according to Lookout, no one does it better than Lookout. Perhaps Lookout should try practicing what she preaches?
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I speak to you sharply or " immaturely " as you put it because you come across as hostile so therefore I answer as I was spoken to, in the same way. It's NOT my way under normal conditions !
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If you tried getting information out of JB the same way as your posts to myself then it's little wonder he was on the defensive. You'd get a Saint's back up.
Your abrupt manner is no way of gathering information from anyone. You should take lessons from those who know ! Not a " bull in a china shop" method.
You get far more out of someone by using the right attitude,even if it's alien to you.
Maybe I'm just sick of the BS Lookout! When I wrote to Jeremy it wasn't because I thought he was a celebrity to be treated with kid gloves - I asked him about the case, why else would I want to write to him?
He told me a lot, a lot more than I have or will post here - but he didn't like difficult questions or being challenged. You keep telling the forum how you're this and you're that and what you do and don't do - well, I don't suffer fools and I'm not changing for you or anyone else. If you wonder why you keep getting criticised, look to yourself and not to others!
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I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p. Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.
I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.
https://www.rolex.com/watches/find-rolex/woman.html
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I speak to you sharply or " immaturely " as you put it because you come across as hostile so therefore I answer as I was spoken to, in the same way. It's NOT my way under normal conditions !
Nor is it mine but here, I speak as I find.
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Yeah right. Yet again, according to Lookout, no one does it better than Lookout. Perhaps Lookout should try practicing what she preaches?
Oh I do practice what I preach--------more often than never. How about you being yourself,or is what we " see " what we get ?
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Oh I do practice what I preach--------more often than never. How about you being yourself,or is what we " see " what we get ?
Surely it depends on who's doing the "seeing"?
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4575.msg188249.html#msg188249
Thank you Mike.
I just checked Susan Battersby's WS. It seems both watches were obtained while Jeremy was in Australia or New Zealand.
Australia,as stated by Brett Collins. I still bet they were copies from China ! No repairer here will touch them.
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" Colin sending her round the bend ".I wonder what that's about ?
JB was never one for opening up about anything,but I bet he could tell a few hidden tales. Instead,he's stayed loyal to everyone it would seem-------pity there was never any reciprocation !
Probably his womanising ?
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Australia,as stated by Brett Collins. I still bet they were copies from China ! No repairer here will touch them.
NO! You WANT them to be copies from China!
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Probably his womanising ?
Remind me again - how long had they been divorced? ::)
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Lookout will never believe it. In her eyes, Jeremy can do no wrong.
How utterly childish your remarks are. He'd have had a few thick ears if he'd been my son !!
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Remind me again - how long had they been divorced? ::)
I thought Jeremy laid the blame at June's door, for Sheila's illness?
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Well done Adam, I’m not a watch person myself, but the son in law is having a special edition Para watch made, Ive heard figures between £5000 to £8000, would that be right? He’s in Iraq at moment so I will text him, he showed me photos just before he went back. I do love to see nice watches on men, but I always think I could spend my money on something else, thanks for sharing your knowledge of watched Adam.
Never heard of those. Just checked & they don't seem that expensive.
I spent a month looking for a watch. Eventually did it the old fashioned way in an H Samuel shop. Have had about 15 people comment on it. Both people I know & don't know. Worth getting a good looking watch in my view. It will get noticed ! A good way to clean them is with a soft toothbrush & washing up liquid. Special sprays & cloths are also good.
Mine is now obsolete so can't be replaced if lost or stolen. Battery needs to be replaced every 18 months which means H Samuel sends it away for two weeks.
It seems Bamber also realised watches are important. Even more so in the 80's as there were no mobile phones. So he obtained two Cartier watches.
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How utterly childish your remarks are. He'd have had a few thick ears if he'd been my son !!
And then said "Mummy didn't mean it" ::) Given that you think his arrogance/superiority/sense of self is to be applauded, and you'd obviously have bought him up to have complete disregard/disrespect for those in authority, I guess you'd have created a character little different from the one he now is.
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I considered buying a Rolex Submariner a few years ago for £5,500p. Liked the blue head however it is too small. Bought a good quality Tissot watch instead, which even complete strangers compliment me on.
I suspect Bamber targeted Cartier watches as he wanted both a man's & a woman's watch. I've never seen a female Rolex watch.
I have a ladie's old Rolex that belonged to grandma,but never wear it because it's plain.
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How utterly childish your remarks are. He'd have had a few thick ears if he'd been my son !!
Then you would have had to be careful when turning your back!
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NO! You WANT them to be copies from China!
What I WANT is written proof on a police file.
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Then you would have had to be careful when turning your back!
No way !!
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No way !!
Good for you, best not turn your back - I agree!
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Good for you, best not turn your back - I agree!
Meaning that kids don't get the upper hand with me.
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What I WANT is written proof on a police file.
Funny that. It's exactly what we want to confirm your "extravagant" claims.
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Meaning that kids don't get the upper hand with me.
You've never faced them down the barrel of a rifle.
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Funny that. It's exactly what we want to confirm your "extravagant" claims.
I can't wait ! You're ALWAYS wanting confirmation aren't you-------so it's my turn.
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I can't wait ! You're ALWAYS wanting confirmation aren't you-------so it's my turn.
Can't wait for what?
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/PRS200-CHRONO-STEEL-WATCH-T17-1-486-44/dp/B006DGHVV6&ved=0ahUKEwj5sI6R2dnXAhVDD8AKHZjpAugQFggxMAA&usg=AOvVaw0nHi7HAPC1JEcI6Sc3bAAH
Found my watch. If you search you can get good quality watches without having to spend between £2,000 - £40,000.
Jeremy didn't need to as he was able to obtain two Cartier watches. Somehow.
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Meaning that kids don't get the upper hand with me.
Well, as you claim never to be wrong, to know more/have more understanding than adults, I guess it's a given that you'd never allow a child to be right.
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You've never faced them down the barrel of a rifle.
I'm never likely to either ! Old as I am I'd still have a go. I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to threats,etc. though thankfully I've never had to face such an ordeal.
Can't ever grasp why not one of the 3 adults at WHF couldn't pick up a phone there and then !!
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I'm never likely to either ! Old as I am I'd still have a go. I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to threats,etc. though thankfully I've never had to face such an ordeal.
Can't ever grasp why not one of the 3 adults at WHF couldn't pick up a phone there and then !!
They did have a go, look at the state of them!
Not easy to make a call while being shot to death or whacked with the butt of a rifle and there was no phone upstairs. Perhaps, thats what June was trying to do, but after walkig around the bed, she realised the phone was missing!
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/PRS200-CHRONO-STEEL-WATCH-T17-1-486-44/dp/B006DGHVV6&ved=0ahUKEwj5sI6R2dnXAhVDD8AKHZjpAugQFggxMAA&usg=AOvVaw0nHi7HAPC1JEcI6Sc3bAAH
Found my watch. If you search you can get good quality watches without having to spend between £2,000 - £40,000.
Jeremy didn't need to as he was able to obtain two Cartier watches. Somehow.
Hes texted me back, he picks it up in January, there was only 40 made, none left to buy, it’s made by BREITLING, it’s got on it utrinque Paratus, meaning ready for anything, he would not tell me the price but I thought I’d heard between £5000-£8000 mentioned, could be wrong though. He’s Para through and through so I can understand why, he also served the full 23 years. Yours looks a very nice watch, looks a bit heavy for me though and the strap seems to pull my hairs on my arm/wrist.
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They did have a go, look at the state of them!
Not easy to make a call while being shot to death or whacked with the butt of a rifle and there was no phone upstairs. Perhaps, thats what June was trying to do, but after walkig around the bed, she realised the phone was missing!
Where was the upstairs office phone ?
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How utterly childish your remarks are. He'd have had a few thick ears if he'd been my son !!
He needed someone like you Lookout, a clip around the ears never hurt anyone. Having said that you would probably not be here now because psychopaths are hard to control he would have won you back over again feeling sorry for him, then bang. Could it have been, with Neville realising Jeremy was gay because of his involvement with Brett, he had given him a hard time trying to man him up with the farm work hoping it was just a passing fad, Obviously there was no love between them and it was just business, with Neville giving him his orders.
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Hes texted me back, he picks it up in January, there was only 40 made, none left to buy, it’s made by BREITLING, it’s got on it utrinque Paratus, meaning ready for anything, he would not tell me the price but I thought I’d heard between £5000-£8000 mentioned, could be wrong though. He’s Para through and through so I can understand why, he also served the full 23 years. Yours looks a very nice watch, looks a bit heavy for me though and the strap seems to pull my hairs on my arm/wrist.
Brietling are good. If it's unique engraving that will cost a bit.
Mine cost £250. So good value. Be gutted if it was lost or stolen now it's obsolete. Not seen anything else I like as much. Shiny & heavy looking will get it noticed. But not too much bling to avoid looking like you're trying too hard or looking like a gangster rapper. Don't find it heavy at all & it doesn't pull on my hairs.
H Samuel have been going since before the 1980's. Not sure if they were around in Australia & New Zealand. If they were, Jeremy still obviously preferred the two Cartier watches he obtained. Which today would cost between £4,000 - £80,000 combined.
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Brietling are good. If it's unique engraving that will cost a bit.
Mine cost £250. So good value. Be gutted if it was lost or stolen now it's obsolete. Not seen anything else I like as much. Shiny & heavy looking will get it noticed. But not too much bling to avoid looking like you're trying too hard or looking like a gangster rapper. Don't find it heavy at all & it doesn't pull on my hairs.
H Samuel have been going since before the 1980's. Not sure if they were around in Australia & New Zealand. If they were, Jeremy still obviously preferred the two Cartier watches he obtained. Which today would cost between £4,000 - £80,000 combined.
You didn’t do bad at all, I think yours is about £380 now? Samuels has been going ages, a bad move when they merged with Ratner, remember him when he shot the business down.
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He needed someone like you Lookout, a clip around the ears never hurt anyone. Having said that you would probably not be here now because psychopaths are hard to control he would have won you back over again feeling sorry for him, then bang. Could it have been, with Neville realising Jeremy was gay because of his involvement with Brett, he had given him a hard time trying to man him up with the farm work hoping it was just a passing fad, Obviously there was no love between them and it was just business, with Neville giving him his orders.
I don't give in to pity justice. Because there's no visible love between children and parents doesn't mean a thing. My late pa-in-law was a business type like Nevill,everything being about business and profit and he also appeared a very " stand-offish " man--------but underneath all that was a very generous and kind person. His attitude had no bearing on his son who I was married to.
Naturally this gives most the wrong impression as how would anyone know the real truth of what ,or how a person is behind closed doors ?
JB probably kicked off about the lack of freedom to explore the world outside of the farm and wouldn't have meant what he'd said about his father. We've ALL done,so he's no different nor are we. I've cursed my parents in the past and it's not until you see sense that you realise that what they did,or didn't allow was for your own good.
How many more holes have to be picked in people's visible hatred for this man ?
Yes,I hate,loathe and detest child murderers and if I had my way they wouldn't draw breath,but for God's sake get the conviction right in the first place.
Why do these forums exist if there's uncertainty ? There certainly wouldn't be such forums for those notorious monsters,so why for JB ?
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Oh, it must have been quite evident Jane, it’s a shame he plays the role of a loving son to his supporters and yet within the prison walls he possesses a disturbingly hatred for his family, this is how psychopaths work Jane.
Jeremy is not a psychopath according to the pyschiatrists who have examined him whilst in prison...
He has only been wrongly dubbed 'a psychopath' because he has been convicted of the five murders, including the murder of his sister, which he could not and did not do...
Please open your mind to reality, cops didn't make the mistake of there being two bodies in the kitchen at the time of entry (7.35am, onwards), and only another three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am...
There has clearly been a massive deception, which Essex police in all its departments has refused to answer for...
Please, two bodies in the kitchen, tghe body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide by 7.45am - please stop trying to ignore the obvious facts since the claim that cops mistook Neville Bambers body for that of a female is sheer nonsense, how could Neville Bambers death have been described as a murderer, and a suicide prior to 8.10am?
Jeremy Bamber clearly did not, and could not have shot and killed his sister on the main bedroom floor by using the anshuzt rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes, and PC Brown had seen minutes before the raid team forced entry into thye farmhouse, resting against the inside of the box room window?
Please, stop ignoring the facts, there simply were two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, two bodies (not one), and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
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I don't give in to pity justice. Because there's no visible love between children and parents doesn't mean a thing. My late pa-in-law was a business type like Nevill,everything being about business and profit and he also appeared a very " stand-offish " man--------but underneath all that was a very generous and kind person. His attitude had no bearing on his son who I was married to.
Naturally this gives most the wrong impression as how would anyone know the real truth of what ,or how a person is behind closed doors ?
JB probably kicked off about the lack of freedom to explore the world outside of the farm and wouldn't have meant what he'd said about his father. We've ALL done,so he's no different nor are we. I've cursed my parents in the past and it's not until you see sense that you realise that what they did,or didn't allow was for your own good.
How many more holes have to be picked in people's visible hatred for this man ?
Yes,I hate,loathe and detest child murderers and if I had my way they wouldn't draw breath,but for God's sake get the conviction right in the first place.
Why do these forums exist if there's uncertainty ? There certainly wouldn't be such forums for those notorious monsters,so why for JB ?
I think you would have done him good Lookout, Ok he would have felt your rath, but you don’t bear grudges.
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Jeremy is not a psychopath according to the pyschiatrists who have examined him whilst in prison...
He has only been wrongly dubbed 'a psychopath' because he has been convicted of the five murders, including the murder of his sister, which he could not and did not do...
Please open your mind to reality, cops didn't make the mistake of there being two bodies in the kitchen at the time of entry (7.35am, onwards), and only another three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am...
There has clearly been a massive deception, which Essex police in all its departments has refused to answer for...
Please, two bodies in the kitchen, tghe body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide by 7.45am - please stop trying to ignore the obvious facts since the claim that cops mistook Neville Bambers body for that of a female is sheer nonsense, how could Neville Bambers death have been described as a murderer, and a suicide prior to 8.10am?
Jeremy Bamber clearly did not, and could not have shot and killed his sister on the main bedroom floor by using the anshuzt rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes, and PC Brown had seen minutes before the raid team forced entry into thye farmhouse, resting against the inside of the box room window?
Please, stop ignoring the facts, there simply were two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, two bodies (not one), and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
There are at least TWO psychiatrists who would disagree.
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You didn’t do bad at all, I think yours is about £380 now? Samuels has been going ages, a bad move when they merged with Ratner, remember him when he shot the business down.
Yeah I have seen similar ones now for about £380.00p. Replacing the batteries every 18 months costs about £30.00p. A watch is something worn & used every day. So good to shop around as a good one will be noticed providing it is not hidden beneath shirt sleeves.
It would be good if the CT could confirm how Jeremy obtained the two Cartier watches while in Australia or New Zealand.
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Jeremy is not a psychopath according to the pyschiatrists who have examined him whilst in prison...
He has only been wrongly dubbed 'a psychopath' because he has been convicted of the five murders, including the murder of his sister, which he could not and did not do...
Please open your mind to reality, cops didn't make the mistake of there being two bodies in the kitchen at the time of entry (7.35am, onwards), and only another three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am...
There has clearly been a massive deception, which Essex police in all its departments has refused to answer for...
Please, two bodies in the kitchen, tghe body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide by 7.45am - please stop trying to ignore the obvious facts since the claim that cops mistook Neville Bambers body for that of a female is sheer nonsense, how could Neville Bambers death have been described as a murderer, and a suicide prior to 8.10am?
Jeremy Bamber clearly did not, and could not have shot and killed his sister on the main bedroom floor by using the anshuzt rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes, and PC Brown had seen minutes before the raid team forced entry into thye farmhouse, resting against the inside of the box room window?
Please, stop ignoring the facts, there simply were two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, two bodies (not one), and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am...
With the greatest respect Mike, I don’t think there is one person on here agrees with your theory or belief that the police shot Sheila twice with two different rifles, once in the kitchen and once in the bedroom, I can understand you making this claim because this is your last line of defence because you know Sheila could not and did not shoot herself, you also know that the silencer was used. As regards Psychiatrist, I think there is only a person with psychopathic tendencies could stoop so low as to wipe all their family out in the evil callous way in which he did it, coupled with the fact I’ve exchanges words with a psychiatrist and a Chaplin who worked with Bamber at full Sutton I’m not going to argue with what they told me.
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With the greatest respect Mike, I don’t think there is one person on here agrees with your theory or belief that the police shot Sheila twice with two different rifles, once in the kitchen and once in the bedroom, I can understand you making this claim because this is your last line of defence because you know Sheila could not and did not shoot herself, you also know that the silencer was used. As regards Psychiatrist, I think there is only a person with psychopathic tendencies could stoop so low as to wipe all their family out in the evil callous way in which he did it, coupled with the fact I’ve exchanges words with a psychiatrist and a Chaplin who worked with Bamber at full Sutton I’m not going to argue with what they told me.
Yes I agree with this justice. It would surely have come out by now by somebody inside that farm with a conscience had anything untoward occurred. I think the Defence would be better pursuing the undisclosed documents theory because after all this time there doesn't seem to be much left for them.
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Yes I agree with this justice. It would surely have come out by now by somebody inside that farm with a conscience had anything untoward occurred. I think the Defence would be better pursuing the undisclosed documents theory because after all this time there doesn't seem to be much left for them.
He Claims to have had all these tests, I think 27 or so tests, who the pluck do they think they are kidding, do they honestly think they fetch him in every now and again to see if he’s turned into one? You either are or your not, he’s convinced in his mind he isn’t one, they don’t know they are one. He’s not going to sit down and say he is one because in his world he isn’t.
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" Colin sending her round the bend ".I wonder what that's about ?
JB was never one for opening up about anything,but I bet he could tell a few hidden tales. Instead,he's stayed loyal to everyone it would seem-------pity there was never any reciprocation !
I think it must have been the affair he had, otherwise Colin endured far more than the average man in the street would have.
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Yes I agree with this justice. It would surely have come out by now by somebody inside that farm with a conscience had anything untoward occurred. I think the Defence would be better pursuing the undisclosed documents theory because after all this time there doesn't seem to be much left for them.
Another point, Steve, is how, once the HUGE band of co-conspirators is no longer together to lend strength and support to each other, do they hold the terrible secret? It would only take a minor hiccough for that delicate boat to be rocked and the whole pack of cards to come tumbling down.
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I have the following observation to invite anybody or everybody to consider...
Killing your entire family, or lets say three generations of the same extended family in order to lay your hands on the entire estates of your parents, or adoptive parents, or whatever, would require more planning than what is suggested that Jeremy is responsible for. Since, it would be necessary for the killer (in this case Jeremy) to kill the five victims in such a wwway that it becam obvious to the police which victim had died first, then next, and then next and next, and so on...
It would require the killer to stage the death scenes in such a way that the police could tell, he had been shot first, to last, in order to guide the inheritance into the killers hands - no such preparation appears to have been undertaken by whoever shot and killed four of the victims, other then the police staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun after 9.13am, on 7th Auguist 1985...
I don't think this is necessarily the case, because once all five family members were massacred the provision in Nevill's will would be invalidated, due to the fact that Sheila had died, so Jeremy would become the sole beneficiary whatever the members' opinions at the Henry Smith Trust were deemed to be.
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He Claims to have had all these tests, I think 27 or so tests, who the pluck do they think they are kidding, do they honestly think they fetch him in every now and again to see if he’s turned into one? You either are or your not, he’s convinced in his mind he isn’t one, they don’t know they are one. He’s not going to sit down and say he is one because in his world he isn’t.
Every prisoner gets those 'revues' and they are nothing to do with being assessed for psychopathy.
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Every prisoner gets those 'revues' and they are nothing to do with being assessed for psychopathy.
In a prison probably bulging at the seams with them, what's one more? Why would it matter, and to whom?
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He Claims to have had all these tests, I think 27 or so tests, who the pluck do they think they are kidding, do they honestly think they fetch him in every now and again to see if he’s turned into one? You either are or your not, he’s convinced in his mind he isn’t one, they don’t know they are one. He’s not going to sit down and say he is one because in his world he isn’t.
Quoting from someone who knows JB well " Please don't make comments about JB's state of mind,etc when you've no idea what he's like, "unquote .
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Quoting from someone who knows JB well " Please don't make comments about JB's state of mind,etc when you've no idea what he's like, "unquote .
Who's been sneaking over to red, then?
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Who's been sneaking over to red, then?
What if I have ? Have you got anything to say about that quote?
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Quoting from someone who knows JB well " Please don't make comments about JB's state of mind,etc when you've no idea what he's like, "unquote .
To be honest Lookout, I’d take their word over your word anytime, you are spoon fed with letters, they do face to face and trained unlike you.
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To be honest Lookout, I’d take their word over your word anytime, you are spoon fed with letters, they do face to face and trained unlike you.
This is a person who KNOWS JB-------ask your mates.
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What if I have ? Have you got anything to say about that quote?
Only that the person responsible wasn't in any position to give an objective view, besides which, they weren't trained in psychiatry.
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Only that the person responsible wasn't in any position to give an objective view, besides which, they weren't trained in psychiatry.
Rubbish ! I knew you'd wriggle out of that somehow.
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This s a person who KNOWS JB-------ask your mates.
They arnt my mates Lookout.
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This is a person who KNOWS JB-------ask your mates.
It's not necessary -in fact it would be discouraged- for a psychiatrist to be friends with someone to make an assessment of them.
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Nobody came back at her like they would had it been me who'd said it, Cowards spring to mind.
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Rubbish ! I knew you'd wriggle out of that somehow.
I'd call it factual and objective, ie no bullshit.
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This is a person who KNOWS JB-------ask your mates.
You probably think you know him, so too did Daisy when he’s had what he can from you, financial support he will drop you like a brick. ;D ;D
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Again you have side-tracked ::) NEVER a straight answer from you is there ?
We are miles away from the thread title, can we please get back to it.
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I think one thing has been established, Bamber had no love at all for his parents. We all know when he comes with his Christmas blog about baking with mum and walking with Dad, we all know it’s Bollox. ;D ;D ;D
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Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
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Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
Because we are now expected to believe that he walks daily with all his victims in sympathy and to quote Nevill's words "it will all come out in the wash."
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Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
Because, unless it had escaped you, this forum is about JB, NOT random families.
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Because, unless it had escaped you, this forum is about JB, NOT random families.
You never use examples then ?
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Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
And it's at this point where the simple doing something out of duty and because one must becomes quite separate from the feeling that one wants to.
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You never use examples then ?
I can't promise NEVER, but hopefully VERY infrequently.
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Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
But hopefully not murder them :(
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I think one thing has been established, Bamber had no love at all for his parents. We all know when he comes with his Christmas blog about baking with mum and walking with Dad, we all know it’s Bollox. ;D ;D ;D
Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?
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But hopefully not murder them :(
He didn't murder anyone. As you'll find out in due course.
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Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?
It's from Brett Collins himself, it's from James Richards, who made a career in the army, it's from Chris Nevill and it's from Julie.
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Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?
Its in the interview xxxxx ;D ;D ;D
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It's from Brett Collins himself, it's from James Richards, who made a career in the army, it's from Chris Nevill and it's from Julie.
He knows Steve, he’s been waiting to goad you can set your Cartier watch with him, in other words predictable ha ha
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Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.
One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.
I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.
And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )
I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.
As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.
It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.
Is the following scenario actually possible ?
Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.
Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.
He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.
He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.
That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.
Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.
Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.
Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.
Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.
Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...
As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.
Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.
He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.
Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?
Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.
What did Brett know ? and when ?
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Its in the interview xxxxx ;D ;D ;D
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I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.
And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )
I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.
As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.
It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.
Is the following scenario actually possible ?
Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.
Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.
He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.
He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.
That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.
Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.
Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.
Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.
Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.
Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...
As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.
Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.
He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.
Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?
Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.
What did Brett know ? and when ?
Brett has no motive. Gay marriage was not an option back then.
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I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.
And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )
I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.
As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.
It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.
Is the following scenario actually possible ?
Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.
Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.
He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.
He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.
That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.
Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.
Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.
Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.
Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.
Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...
As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.
Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.
He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.
Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?
Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.
What did Brett know ? and when ?
You have hit a lot of great points there Sherlock, you can see from the interview he’s covering his tracks, trying a little for his mate, but ready to stab him if he has to ;D ;D ;D.
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Brett has no motive. Gay marriage was not an option back then.
I think Sherlock's point is that Brett goaded Jeremy into murder just as John Venables was supposed to have been led by Robert Thompson. Jeremy evidently had very little feel for relationships-after all he had entrusted his life to Julie and must have felt bitterly let down when she went to the Police. The conversation in question let's not forget was post-murders, so it's impossible to ascertain exactly what Brett did know and when.
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Looks like the police were quickly onto Brett and wanting an interview, don’t agree with them calling him a poof though? Looks like Bamber gave him the use of his car?
http://twitpic.com/dsllo3
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Brett Collins, Julie and Jeremy went out drinking together a frequently after the tragedy, Jeremy Bamber recently said in an interview with the Mirror Newspaper “I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”Brett tried to keep Jeremy’s spirits high with good humour and Jeremy even joined his friend, the twins father, Colin Caffell on the 9th of August where he, Jeremy, Julie, Brett and three others went for Chinese meal and then on to a concert as both Jeremy and Colin tried to put a brave face on their grief. [7]
Have Bamber’s supporters got this date wrong? 9th of August?
Only in Brett’s statement he says he only met Colin twice, at the funerals and he says last night, so I assume that was 7/9/85? Confusing really.
https://jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/
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Brett Collins, Julie and Jeremy went out drinking together a frequently after the tragedy, Jeremy Bamber recently said in an interview with the Mirror Newspaper “I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”Brett tried to keep Jeremy’s spirits high with good humour and Jeremy even joined his friend, the twins father, Colin Caffell on the 9th of August where he, Jeremy, Julie, Brett and three others went for Chinese meal and then on to a concert as both Jeremy and Colin tried to put a brave face on their grief. [7]
Have Bamber’s supporters got this date wrong? 9th of August?
Only in Brett’s statement he says he only met Colin twice, at the funerals and he says last night, so I assume that was 7/9/85? Confusing really.
So Jeremy now has Brett going out for a meal with Colin and Jeremy on the 9th of August from Jeremy’s account, yet he didn’t come over till the 12th of August, So has Bamber slipped up by saying they went for a meal on this day? Was Brett all ready over and made it look like he didn’t come over till the 12/13 th for his passport sake?
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So Jeremy now has Brett going out for a meal with Colin and Jeremy on the 9th of August from Jeremy’s account, yet he didn’t come over till the 12th of August, So has Bamber slipped up by saying they went for a meal on this day? Was Brett all ready over and made it look like he didn’t come over till the 12/13 th for his passport sake?
Perhaps the newspaper got it wrong? I will check Colin's book and see if he mentions it.
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Perhaps the newspaper got it wrong? I will check Colin's book and see if he mentions it.
Its not from the newspaper Caroline it’s Of Bambers own site, I think they have it wrong because Julie never mentions Brett being there, she just says six of them?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1932.0;attach=9630
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Brett Collins, Julie and Jeremy went out drinking together a frequently after the tragedy, Jeremy Bamber recently said in an interview with the Mirror Newspaper “I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”Brett tried to keep Jeremy’s spirits high with good humour and Jeremy even joined his friend, the twins father, Colin Caffell on the 9th of August where he, Jeremy, Julie, Brett and three others went for Chinese meal and then on to a concert as both Jeremy and Colin tried to put a brave face on their grief. [7]
Have Bamber’s supporters got this date wrong? 9th of August?
Only in Brett’s statement he says he only met Colin twice, at the funerals and he says last night, so I assume that was 7/9/85? Confusing really.
https://jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/
Its off this site Caroline, I don’t think Brett was there to be honest? If you scroll down to where it says Brett Collins it says he was there? Ahh just seen at top Authors view/Account
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Its not from the newspaper Caroline it’s Of Bambers own site, I think they have it wrong because Julie never mentions Brett being there, she just says six of them?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1932.0;attach=9630
Well that wouldn't surprise me ;D. I'll have a quick look at Colin's book.
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Well that wouldn't surprise me ;D. I'll have a quick look at Colin's book.
Can't see any mention of the meal but Colin's book jumps forward then back again - not the easiest read. :-\
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Can't see any mention of the meal but Colin's book jumps forward then back again - not the easiest read. :-\
This is the site Caroline?
https://jeremybamber.org/
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Give the CT their due they've done some brilliant work in bringing this case forward and more into the public eye than it was.
I applaud them for their untiring research into what is going to be the worst MOJ in this country.
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Give the CT their due they've done some brilliant work in bringing this case forward and more into the public eye than it was.
I applaud them for their untiring research into what is going to be the worst MOJ in this country.
I think if someone is putting propaganda out it’s important to check if it’s true Lookout and not just take their word, they have always said Jeremy loved his parents and he loved farming which Is evidentially clear he did not. Hence portraying that Brett joined Jeremy and Colin for a meal and a concert, if he did he was in the Country before he says he was. ;D ;D ;D
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Give the CT their due they've done some brilliant work in bringing this case forward and more into the public eye than it was.
I applaud them for their untiring research into what is going to be the worst MOJ in this country.
does make you wonder if jb had a better legal team would it have helped his case :-\
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does make you wonder if jb had a better legal team would it have helped his case :-\
I think it would have Sami, With Mikes and NGB help and me as the brains we’d have smashed it. We’d obviously need to let weak links go like DD and his latest development, with Lookouts help we’d have battered Julie in the witness box, she wouldn’t have known what had hit her. ;D ;D ;D
I’m going to start a fresh after the New Year, the New me, it’s back to the beginning for me Sami.
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I think it would have Sami, With Mikes and NGB help and me as the brains we’d have smashed it. We’d obviously need to let weak links go like DD and his latest development, with Lookouts help we’d have battered Julie in the witness box, she wouldn’t have known what had hit her. ;D ;D ;D
I’m going to start a fresh after the New Year, the New me, it’s back to the beginning for me Sami.
:)) :)) :)) :))ive only just stopped laughing at caroline n jane;s barrett helicopter post.now youve got me rolling around the floor laughing again :)) :)) ;)
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:)) :)) :)) :))ive only just stopped laughing at caroline n jane;s barrett helicopter post.now youve got me rolling around the floor laughing again :)) :)) ;)
Steady Sami, we don’t do kissing in CPR, it’s just pumping the chest to staying alive, I know what your after ;D ;D ;D
I bet Lookout can remember when they used to thump the chest hard to start with, then it was 5/2 compressions and mouth to mouth?
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Steady Sami, we don’t do kissing in CPR, it’s just pumping the chest to staying alive, I know what your after ;D ;D ;D
I bet Lookout can remember when they used to thump the chest hard to start with, then it was 5/2 compressions and mouth to mouth?
bless her she's served the people n country for most of her life.ive a lot of respect for our nurses.seeing an deep open wound or watching someone give birth would make me faint instantly.yet they deal with things like this and worse everyday
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bless her she's served the people n country for most of her life.ive a lot of respect for our nurses.seeing an deep open wound or watching someone give birth would make me faint instantly.yet they deal with things like this and worse everyday
I couldn’t do it myself, take my hat off to them, so underpaid as well.
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does make you wonder if jb had a better legal team would it have helped his case :-\
I think the problem was Sami, he had no one to fall back on, I bet he got no visits while locked up, no one to help him and he put his trust in the legal team, he had no wife mother Dad who was fighting for him, everyone turned against him. I honestly think if it was the same evidence on trial today he would have got off. They couldn’t even call many witnesses for his defence all them were dodgy?
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There's no doubt in my mind that a" re-trial" will see him freed.
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Such a shame Jeremy hated his mother and had no love for his father, in your teens you often go through these fads, but, to carry this anger through into his twenties it must have been a deep hatred and one that caused him to commit to murder. I suppose the hatred and no love, coupled with the fact he saw June giving away his inheritance as such to the Church of which he had no control made him commit these terrible crimes.
excellent summing up justice
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Such a shame Jeremy hated his mother and had no love for his father, in your teens you often go through these fads, but, to carry this anger through into his twenties it must have been a deep hatred and one that caused him to commit to murder. I suppose the hatred and no love, coupled with the fact he saw June giving away his inheritance as such to the Church of which he had no control made him commit these terrible crimes.
Colin Caffell hated june also. and said he could of killed her. By your logic I guess Colin must have been involved also.
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Colin Caffell hated june also. and said he could of killed her. By your logic I guess Colin must have been involved also.
Pity his letter hadn't been read out in court.
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Pity his letter hadn't been read out in court.
Was Colin suspected of her murder then?
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Was Colin suspected of her murder then?
What a daft question-------as if you didn't know what I meant ::)
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What a daft question-------as if you didn't know what I meant ::)
Yours was an entirely emotional response. Why WOULD something totally unconnected to the case be read out in court?....................other than as a counterbalance to Jeremy saying he could kill anyone (including his parents?) and he f*****g hated his parents.
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Yours was an entirely emotional response. Why WOULD something totally unconnected to the case be read out in court?....................other than as a counterbalance to Jeremy saying he could kill anyone (including his parents?) and he f*****g hated his parents.
Colin's letter was connected to the case though when he told Nevill that" June wasn't going to f***-up the brains of his sons the way she had done with Sheila's."
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Colin's letter was connected to the case though when he told Nevill that" June wasn't going to f***-up the brains of his sons the way she had done with Sheila's."
But it was never read by Nevill.
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But it was never read by Nevill.
I didn't say it was. I said it was never read out in court,like many letters and documents that would have assisted the defence.
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although the letter was never read by Nevill. It does give us a snapshot of what was going on in Colins mind and the situation regarding the twins.
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I didn't say it was. I said it was never read out in court,like many letters and documents that would have assisted the defence.
I fail to see how. He was a long divorced ex son in law. The benign Freddie portrayed in Bambertweets is somewhat different from the malign influence you've described him as being.
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I fail to see how. He was a long divorced ex son in law. The benign Freddie portrayed in Bambertweets is somewhat different from the malign influence you've described him as being.
You never fail to shrug off anything which doesn't involve JB to turn things around surreptitiously pointing a finger at me for something I'm supposed to have said. ::)
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They hadn't been " long divorced " at that stage.
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You never fail to shrug off anything which doesn't involve JB to turn things around surreptitiously pointing a finger at me for something I'm supposed to have said. ::)
Are you now going to insist that you always believed Freddie was a knight in shining armour in Sheila's life. Have the courage of your convictions and own what you say. In this, your early assessment of him may well be closer to the truth than that on Bambertweets. It matters less what you say than that you deny saying it.
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They hadn't been " long divorced " at that stage.
You're splitting hairs. The twins were only months old when they separated.
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I fail to see how. He was a long divorced ex son in law. The benign Freddie portrayed in Bambertweets is somewhat different from the malign influence you've described him as being.
Its a tactic often used Jane, to change the focus away from Jeremy and to put the blame on others. Colin might have said those things, who hasn’t about their Ma in law ;D ;D ;D. But at the end of the day Colin has been honest Bamber hasn’t, Colin doesn’t contradict himself like Bamber and pretend now he loved her.
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i personally love my mother inlaw its her daughter i cant stand ;)
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i personally love my mother inlaw its her daughter i cant stand ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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although the letter was never read by Nevill. It does give us a snapshot of what was going on in Colins mind and the situation regarding the twins.
It tells us that Colin resented the interference of the Bambers and would never have countenanced any permanent arrangement which afforded them greater control. He may well have been in two minds himself, given that there was a possibility they might have been in line for an inheritance from them some day.
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You're splitting hairs. The twins were only months old when they separated.
The twins were over 1 year old when they divorced having only been married for 3 years.
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The twins were over 1 year old when they divorced having only been married for 3 years.
Which means, as the twins were 6, they'd been divorced for several years."Long divorced" wasn't an over exaggeration.
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Are you now going to insist that you always believed Freddie was a knight in shining armour in Sheila's life. Have the courage of your convictions and own what you say. In this, your early assessment of him may well be closer to the truth than that on Bambertweets. It matters less what you say than that you deny saying it.
I don't think I ever saw Freddie as a " knight ". Even the twins didn't like him.
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I don't think I ever saw Freddie as a " knight ". Even the twins didn't like him.
But Sheila did -albeit it was yet another dysfunctional relationship for her- and he was there when she had her last breakdown. Whether he supplied the drugs you maintain to have been the causation of her problems is up for debate.
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But Sheila did -albeit it was yet another dysfunctional relationship for her- and he was there when she had her last breakdown. Whether he supplied the drugs you maintain to have been the causation of her problems is up for debate.
Well she was getting cocaine from somewhere and he was the likeliest candidate for her supply.
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I didn't like the sound of the massage for the old man---------eeeuuuwww,made me feel sick.
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Imagine if June had found out about that.
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Well she was getting cocaine from somewhere and he was the likeliest candidate for her supply.
Which means he's not a lily white as Bambertweets would paint him?
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Which means he's not a lily white as Bambertweets would paint him?
I didn't think so.
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I didn't think so.
In which case, it may well be that all the other "conversations" are slanted the way the CT want them to be seen.
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In which case, it may well be that all the other "conversations" are slanted the way the CT want them to be seen.
Whether it is that because of his foreign extraction that nobody wanted to say anything for fear of appearing racist I don't know----------but an Iranian ?
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Whether it is that because of his foreign extraction that nobody wanted to say anything for fear of appearing racist I don't know----------but an Iranian ?
Well, if there's a question mark over one testimony, it stands to reason that all will be under scrutiny. As this is supposed to show Jeremy in a better light I'd have thought any possible racial prejudice could be put to one side.
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They hadn't been " long divorced " at that stage.
Yes they had.
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Well, if there's a question mark over one testimony, it stands to reason that all will be under scrutiny. As this is supposed to show Jeremy in a better light I'd have thought any possible racial prejudice could be put to one side.
There's always that tendency to put two and two together when it comes to obtaining drugs,well it would back in the 80's if someone hailed from the Middle East.
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There's always that tendency to put two and two together when it comes to obtaining drugs,well it would back in the 80's if someone hailed from the Middle East.
It is in Dr Ferguson's witness statement that Sheila got her cocaine from Freddie.
What was that about a massage with an old man ? It is the first i have heard about it ..
Freddie and Brett were both bad news in their different ways in my opinion.
I wonder if they partied together or knew each other ? ?
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It is in Dr Ferguson's witness statement that Sheila got her cocaine from Freddie.
What was that about a massage with an old man ? It is the first i have heard about it ..
Freddie and Brett were both bad news in their different ways in my opinion.
I wonder if they partied together or knew each other ? ?
They didn't know each other.
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It is in Dr Ferguson's witness statement that Sheila got her cocaine from Freddie.
What was that about a massage with an old man ? It is the first i have heard about it ..
Freddie and Brett were both bad news in their different ways in my opinion.
I wonder if they partied together or knew each other ? ?
The second doesn't bear thinking about. It probably had nothing to do with creaking joints.
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It is in Dr Ferguson's witness statement that Sheila got her cocaine from Freddie.
What was that about a massage with an old man ? It is the first i have heard about it ..
Freddie and Brett were both bad news in their different ways in my opinion.
I wonder if they partied together or knew each other ? ?
It is...................HOWEVER, Dr Ferguson is merely repeating what Sheila told him, ie, that Freddie had provided her with cocaine -she didn't say how much or how regularly. Dr Ferguson doesn't say that Freddie is known to him personally.
Massage? Old man?
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One of Sheila's jobs was massaging an old man-----probably a client from the sleazy restaurant she worked at. This is further information from the CT about Sheila and her many jobs to earn some cash.
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One of Sheila's jobs was massaging an old man-----probably a client from the sleazy restaurant she worked at. This is further information from the CT about Sheila and her many jobs to earn some cash.
i wouldnt call it infomation more like speculation.also slanderous comes to mind
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One of Sheila's jobs was massaging an old man-----probably a client from the sleazy restaurant she worked at. This is further information from the CT about Sheila and her many jobs to earn some cash.
I wondered if it had something to do with her cleaning job. It's very possible that it was perfectly innocent. I'm sure that in your time as a nurse you'll have massaged the legs and feet of your patients using body lotion. It's soothing and makes uncomfortable limbs easier to cope with. It's perfectly possible that she'd have learned such massage techniques as effluerage, tapotement and petrisage during her time in the hair salon. But I doubt the CT would wish it to be seen as innocent.
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One of Sheila's jobs was massaging an old man-----probably a client from the sleazy restaurant she worked at. This is further information from the CT about Sheila and her many jobs to earn some cash.
It's from the CT? O - K ::)
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I wondered if it had something to do with her cleaning job. It's very possible that it was perfectly innocent. I'm sure that in your time as a nurse you'll have massaged the legs and feet of your patients using body lotion. It's soothing and makes uncomfortable limbs easier to cope with. It's perfectly possible that she'd have learned such massage techniques as effluerage, tapotement and petrisage during her time in the hair salon. But I doubt the CT would wish it to be seen as innocent.
After having worked in " gentleman's dinner club " whatever it was,full of lecherous old has-beens,it does conjure up the thought of one of them picking out Sheila. Wasn't it remarked somewhere that she hated it ? But her financial situation won.
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After having worked in " gentleman's dinner club " whatever it was,full of lecherous old has-beens,it does conjure up the thought of one of them picking out Sheila. Wasn't it remarked somewhere that she hated it ? But her financial situation won.
I think you are making a LOT of assumptions. I used to work in the Body Shop when I was at collage - I HATED it but never had to massage any old men.
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I think you are making a LOT of assumptions. I used to work in the Body Shop when I was at collage - I HATED it but never had to massage any old men.
I worked in a hospital and didn't have time to be massaging anyone. There was a trained person who did that anyway.
As I said,I was going by Sheila working in that horrible environment to begin with.Yuk. You give those old buggers a wide berth.
You've only to see what's happened with older MP's of late and also in the past and the female colleagues who reported them.
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One thing I can't abide is a selective memory. There's no need unless it's to cause trouble ??
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When accusing me of anything do a search on here for the word/words/phrase,etc-------that will give you the name of the poster/offender responsible.
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One thing I can't abide is a selective memory. There's no need unless it's to cause trouble ??
Selective memory about what Lookout?
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One thing I can't abide is a selective memory. There's no need unless it's to cause trouble ??
I think everyone has trouble with memory Lookout, take Bamber, he’s forgot how much he hated his family, even to the point he can’t remember killing them. ;D ;D ;D
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I think everyone has trouble with memory Lookout, take Bamber, he’s forgot how much he hated his family, even to the point he can’t remember killing them. ;D ;D ;D
Well that's because he didn't. Simples.
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Well that's because he didn't. Simples.
No, I don't think he forgot either - I think he remembers it all quite well.
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No, I don't think he forgot either - I think he remembers it all quite well.
Well his account of it was somewhat blurred,of which can be especially if you hadn't done it.
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Well his account of it was somewhat blurred,of which can be especially if you hadn't done it.
Or indeed if he was being deliberately evasive!
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Or indeed if he was being deliberately evasive!
There are some people who can't hide what they believe in and Jeremy is one of them. That's why his attitude has never changed. His behaviour has always remained upbeat and he's kept a level head which is nigh on impossible if you're lying particularly after 32 years with the eyes of the world focussed on you.
It's so obvious to me that he's got nothing to hide.
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I think everyone has trouble with memory Lookout, take Bamber, he’s forgot how much he hated his family, even to the point he can’t remember killing them. ;D ;D ;D
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I behave like I do on the forum because I don't lie. What's your excuse for your behaviour ?
i think everyone tells a porkie once in a while lookout.as humans its built in us
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i think everyone tells a porkie once in a while lookout.as humans its built in us
You have to also retain a good memory Sami and when there are all kinds of things going on in your life it's better to tell the truth then you don't have the added burden of remembering anything.
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You have to also retain a good memory Sami and when there are all kinds of things going on in your life it's better to tell the truth then you don't have the added burden of remembering anything.
Quite true Lookout, a clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory, I’ve forgot what we were talking about now :(
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Quite true Lookout, a clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory, I’ve forgot what we were talking about now :(
So have I forgotten :)) :)) :))
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Quite true Lookout, a clear conscience is usually a sign of a bad memory, I’ve forgot what we were talking about now :(
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