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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: buddy on November 08, 2017, 03:34:PM
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I fail to understand why Sheila would have chosen to shoot herself in the neck twice in an a attempt to
commit suicide, surely a shot upward in the mouth would have been fatal
Equally why would a murderer not have realised that a shot to the neck would not be fatal as a certainty.
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well people planning are by there nature not thinking rationally.
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well people planning are by there nature not thinking rationally.
I realise that Nugs, but she was rational enough to shoot the others in the head most of the time.
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I fail to understand why Sheila would have chosen to shoot herself in the neck twice in an a attempt to
commit suicide, surely a shot upward in the mouth would have been fatal
Equally why would a murderer not have realised that a shot to the neck would not be fatal as a certainty.
The first shot was fatal, just not instantly.
I don't think this guy was planning on pulling the trigger four times either. If all you have is a rifle were else can you point it? ???
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I've originally thought that the first shot had been done by someone else because of the angle of it. Nobody aims for their own jawbone.
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Does anyone know when Sheila began smoking cannabis-------or has any specific idea ?
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I've originally thought that the first shot had been done by someone else because of the angle of it. Nobody aims for their own jawbone.
What made you change you're mind ?
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Not sure how Mike believes the police shot Sheila twice. From close range & then a contact shot. With the same rifle Sheila had committed the massacre with.
The raid team had their own weapons & would have surely used their own weapons to shoot Sheila. If they saw her holding a rifle & about to use it.
Sheila certainly didn't fire any bullets at the police. As all bullets are accounted for.
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https://youtu.be/mmCART1vcCo
However Mike still believes this.
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What made you change you're mind ?
I thought about that years ago and made posts on it. Shows how much you bother with other people's posts other than your own. ::)
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I thought about that years ago and made posts on it. Shows how much you bother with other people's posts other than your own. ::)
Do you still believe no one aims for their own jaw bone ?
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Do you still believe no one aims for their own jaw bone ?
Not if they intended to commit suicide,no. Why would they ? Mouth,temple,jugular,but not jawbone.
Or someone unfamiliar to where their jugular vein is/was ?? Like a misfire.
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Does anyone know when Sheila began smoking cannabis-------or has any specific idea ?
I would put Sheila's " illness " as having been drug-induced psychosis and not Schizophrenia.
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I think it would be difficult to know exactly where you were aiming at the time.
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I think it would be difficult to know exactly where you were aiming at the time.
Well it definitely missed the target as it were,which I'd originally thought that it could well have happened during a struggle to wrestle the rifle from Sheila.
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The first shot was fatal, just not instantly.
I don't think this guy was planning on pulling the trigger four times either. If all you have is a rifle were else can you point it? ???
First shot was not instantly fatal, there were ddiffering opinions between the prosecutions expert (Venezis) and the defence one - in the latter case Professor Knight made out a case for Sheila still being able to move around continually for as long as half an hour after she sustained that first shot. The truth was that she ddiddn't move around continually for as long as that because she was stunned into unconsciousness and cops thought she was dead, but she regained consciousness and made her own way upstairs and collapsed on the bed next to June Bamber...
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Does anyone know when Sheila began smoking cannabis-------or has any specific idea ?
I have no idea but in those days a typical age to start was around 16 to 18.
Unlike today it would have been a rare person who experimented much before that age.
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I have no idea but in those days a typical age to start was around 16 to 18.
Unlike today it would have been a rare person who experimented much before that age.
So roughly speaking 7 years addiction. This is taken from age 20.
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So roughly speaking 7 years addiction. This is taken from age 20.
Aha! So it WAS you who drip erroneous information to the press about Sheila?
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Aha! So it WAS you who drip erroneous information to the press about Sheila?
I doubt it. What makes you say that ? Rather accusatory isn't it ??
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I doubt it. What makes you say that ? Rather accusatory isn't it ??
Only that mine was as stupid and tongue in cheek a suggestion as -HOPEFULLY- was your own when you accused CP -whose book appeared years AFTER the crime- of feeding information to EP? about something which was in the press within DAYS of the crime.
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Only that mine was as stupid and tongue in cheek a suggestion as -HOPEFULLY- was your own when you accused CP -whose book appeared years AFTER the crime- of feeding information to EP? about something which was in the press within DAYS of the crime.
Well then,who told CAL ?
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Well then,who told CAL ?
I don't know of any ONE -other than you- who has openly called Sheila a drug addict. I have no evidence of Sheila telling anyone she was addicted. I'm inclined to think she only used on those occasions when she socialized because she thought it gave her much needed confidence.
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I don't know of any ONE -other than you- who has openly called Sheila a drug addict. I have no evidence of Sheila telling anyone she was addicted. I'm inclined to think she only used on those occasions when she socialized because she thought it gave her much needed confidence.
Where have I said " openly " that Sheila was a drug addict ? You've been dreaming AGAIN ::)
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Where have I said " openly " that Sheila was a drug addict ? You've been dreaming AGAIN ::)
Do you think you've said it covertly?
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Do you think you've said it covertly?
No I jolly well haven't !! I'm more in charge of my faculties than you obviously are.
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No I jolly well haven't !! I'm more in charge of my faculties than you obviously are.
Well, if you haven't said it COvertly, it has to have been Overtly, doesn't it? Just about every one of your posts concerning Dr Ferguson and his -alleged by you- wrong diagnosis of her condition, is peppered with her 'heavy' and 'regular' use of drugs. I'd say you were suggesting addiction. A rose by any other name, Lookout. If you're willing to call her an addict -by whatever words you choose to employ- at least you could have the courage of your convictions when it comes to owning it.
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Well, if you haven't said it COvertly, it has to have been Overtly, doesn't it? Just about every one of your posts concerning Dr Ferguson and his -alleged by you- wrong diagnosis of her condition, is peppered with her 'heavy' and 'regular' use of drugs. I'd say you were suggesting addiction. A rose by any other name, Lookout. If you're willing to call her an addict -by whatever words you choose to employ- at least you could have the courage of your convictions when it comes to owning it.
I have NEVER used the word addict--------TROUBLEMAKER !!The " heavy " user comes from reports that say so in the year leading up to the tragedy. As does most other of my posts.
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I have NEVER used the word addict--------TROUBLEMAKER !!The " heavy " user comes from reports that say so in the year leading up to the tragedy. As does most other of my posts.
So are you saying that, whilst you hold fast to her being a 'heavy and regular' drug user -of some 7 or so years- you don't believe her to have ever been an addict?
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So are you saying that, whilst you hold fast to her being a 'heavy and regular' drug user -of some 7 or so years- you don't believe her to have ever been an addict?
Are you xxxxxx ? " Heavy and regular " weren't MY words ::) YOU used the word addict,not ME ::)
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Are you xxxxxx? " Heavy and regular " weren't MY words ::) YOU used the word addict,not ME ::)
Oh dear ???
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Oh dear ???
Keep nit-picking why don't you.
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Are you xxxxxx ? " Heavy and regular " weren't MY words ::) YOU used the word addict,not ME ::)
No, but I'm beginning to believe you are. Either that, or you haven't the courage, you claim, of your convictions. Are you REALLY claiming that you've NEVER said she was a heavy and regular drug user, and name me an occasion on which I'VE used 'addict' to describe Sheila?
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Keep nit-picking why don't you.
You invite such. All that required is an admission of, perhaps, having overstated some things in the heat of the moment, but it's not your style, is it? You'd sooner put the responsibility for your own words on others.
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No, but I'm beginning to believe you are. Either that, or you haven't the courage, you claim, of your convictions. Are you REALLY claiming that you've NEVER said she was a heavy and regular drug user, and name me an occasion on which I'VE used 'addict' to describe Sheila?
Short of continually repeating myself,I said it was what I'd read about Sheila having been a heavy user in the last 12 months before her death---------jeeze.
Also it was YOU who'd accused ME of saying that Sheila was an addict,not the other way around.
Keep taking the medication as it's wearing off,obviously.
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Well, if you haven't said it COvertly, it has to have been Overtly, doesn't it? Just about every one of your posts concerning Dr Ferguson and his -alleged by you- wrong diagnosis of her condition, is peppered with her 'heavy' and 'regular' use of drugs. I'd say you were suggesting addiction. A rose by any other name, Lookout. If you're willing to call her an addict -by whatever words you choose to employ- at least you could have the courage of your convictions when it comes to owning it.
So are you saying that, whilst you hold fast to her being a 'heavy and regular' drug user -of some 7 or so years- you don't believe her to have ever been an addict?
Short of continually repeating myself,I said it was what I'd read about Sheila having been a heavy user in the last 12 months before her death---------jeeze.
Also it was YOU who'd accused ME of saying that Sheila was an addict,not the other way around.
Keep taking the medication as it's wearing off,obviously.
You may well have continually repeated yourself -you usually do- which is why your views on Sheila's drug taking habits have become so well known. I don't actually have the need to ACCUSE you of calling her an addict, the tone of all you've ever said of her says it for me.
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No, but I'm beginning to believe you are. Either that, or you haven't the courage, you claim, of your convictions. Are you REALLY claiming that you've NEVER said she was a heavy and regular drug user, and name me an occasion on which I'VE used 'addict' to describe Sheila?
its nice to see that lookout still suffers from selective memory some things never change,but it has helped her over the years.(who me i never said such a thing) ;)
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its nice to see that lookout still suffers from selective memory some things never change,but it has helped her over the years.(who me i never said such a thing) ;)
Absolutely! All those with SMS (selective memory syndrome) can live in blissful denial. It could explain why they have no feelings of guilt or responsibility. Why would they when it's always someone else's fault?
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I don't know of any ONE -other than you- who has openly called Sheila a drug addict. I have no evidence of Sheila telling anyone she was addicted. I'm inclined to think she only used on those occasions when she socialized because she thought it gave her much needed confidence.
also jane no cannabis or joints or dog ends from joints were found.so i agree she wasnt a regular user.had she been police would have found one of the above.jb was more of a user than her
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also jane no cannabis or joints or dog ends from joints were found.so i agree she wasnt a regular user.had she been police would have found one of the above.jb was more of a user than her
He got it for free. Sheila would have had to pay for hers.
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First shot was not instantly fatal, there were ddiffering opinions between the prosecutions expert (Venezis) and the defence one - in the latter case Professor Knight made out a case for Sheila still being able to move around continually for as long as half an hour after she sustained that first shot. The truth was that she ddiddn't move around continually for as long as that because she was stunned into unconsciousness and cops thought she was dead, but she regained consciousness and made her own way upstairs and collapsed on the bed next to June Bamber...
sorry david,but i agree with mike .the first 3 lines above
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also jane no cannabis or joints or dog ends from joints were found.so i agree she wasnt a regular user.had she been police would have found one of the above.jb was more of a user than her
The reason police never found anything was because Sheila would have not smoked anything at the house.
June would never had permitted that. It would have been simple for her to go outside in the fields.
It has been said before that Sheila took harder drugs.
Was there not drugs found in the safe? Probably put there by Neville.
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The reason police never found anything was because Sheila would have not smoked anything at the house.
June would never had permitted that. It would have been simple for her to go outside in the fields.
It has been said before that Sheila took harder drugs.
Was there not drugs found in the safe? Probably put there by Neville.
i agree she wouldnt have smoked in the house but outside ,but she would not have her stash or rizlars stored outside.iam not sure what drugs were found in the safe.i do know that a regular smoker will have half a joint in the ash tray at night so when they wake up they dont need to build a joint
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i agree she wouldnt have smoked in the house but outside ,but she would not have her stash or rizlars stored outside.iam not sure what drugs were found in the safe.i do know that a regular smoker will have half a joint in the ash tray at night so when they wake up they dont need to build a joint
I don't think the bambers were smokers, so there would not have been ash trays.
With the Bambers aversion to drugs I don't believe Sheila would take the chance to smoke in the house.
For this reason I find it hard to believe that she would have half a joint ready for the morning.
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I don't think the bambers were smokers, so there would not have been ash trays.
With the Bambers aversion to drugs I don't believe Sheila would take the chance to smoke in the house.
For this reason I find it hard to believe that she would have half a joint ready for the morning.
i disagree,after she had a few puffs at night outside its easy to stub the rest out and hide it in the house somewhere even in her shoe or handbag theres lots of places in whf where she could have hidden drugs or joints.i didnt know the bambers never smoked.
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i disagree,after she had a few puffs at night outside its easy to stub the rest out and hide it in the house somewhere even in her shoe or handbag theres lots of places in whf where she could have hidden drugs or joints.i didnt know the bambers never smoked.
A spltff is pretty pungent even after being put out.
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A spltff is pretty pungent even after being put out.
thats true,especially skunk weed
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I don't think the bambers were smokers, so there would not have been ash trays.
With the Bambers aversion to drugs I don't believe Sheila would take the chance to smoke in the house.
For this reason I find it hard to believe that she would have half a joint ready for the morning.
Nevill smoked cigarettes and possibly the odd cigar at Christmas. Sheila was the cigar smoker,so there would have been ashtrays around.
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Nevill smoked cigarettes and possibly the odd cigar at Christmas. Sheila was the cigar smoker,so there would have been ashtrays around.
thanks for clearing that up lookout,iam sure i read somewhere that neville smoked but i wasnt sure,i am now
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thanks for clearing that up lookout,iam sure i read somewhere that neville smoked but i wasnt sure,i am now
I, too, have read that Nevill smoked, Sami. In fact, I'm sure there will be a post here somewhere which states that Nevill often finished the evening in the drawing room with a cigarette and a G&T. It may have cropped up when Jeremy was considering burning the place down and blaming a dropped cigarette?
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Waiting for a reaction ?
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Waiting for a reaction ?
Why, and from whom?
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I, too, have read that Nevill smoked, Sami. In fact, I'm sure there will be a post here somewhere which states that Nevill often finished the evening in the drawing room with a cigarette and a G&T. It may have cropped up when Jeremy was considering burning the place down and blaming a dropped cigarette?
thank you jane,i also read that he didnt go through with the plan of burning the house and blaming neville because of the valuables being burnt
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Would he have cared about such material things ?
Wasn't it the relatives who were more bothered about the valuables when JB began selling them to pay towards death duties ?
Why did JB hand the keys over to AE knowing that there were valuables inside to flog ? He literally gave THEM carte blanche to do as THEY liked.
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thank you jane,i also read that he didnt go through with the plan of burning the house and blaming neville because of the valuables being burnt
I bet he though it was risky Sami in case any survivors, only wants one and his inheritance is gone or halved, he’s not totally in control of that situation, psychopaths like to be in control Sami.
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He wasn't " in control " of his destiny though was he ?
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Would he have cared about such material things ?
Wasn't it the relatives who were more bothered about the valuables when JB began selling them to pay towards death duties ?
Why did JB hand the keys over to AE knowing that there were valuables inside to flog ? He literally gave THEM carte blanche to do as THEY liked.
A) The initial idea didn't float his boat.
B) I'd be willing to bet -and IF you could bring yourself to a moment of real truthfulness, you'd probably agree- that not one POUND, of what he received from those things he sold, found it's way to paying death duties. You can bet your life that once the cash was in his hands all pretense at paying death duties went out the window.
C) ANY decent person would have got the family in and told them what his plans were. He didn't need to like any of them more than they liked him. Courtesy -which he'd surely have learned both at school and at home- suggests he could have asked them first if there was anything they'd like as mementos.
D) Are you suggesting they were going to steal items? Wasn't it ALL, at that point -including the stuff Jeremy took and sold- owned by the estate and subject to probate?
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I bet he though it was risky Sami in case any survivors, only wants one and his inheritance is gone or halved, he’s not totally in control of that situation, psychopaths like to be in control Sami.
yes i totally agree justice,he couldnt be sure everone would die ,youre spot on with the be in control part