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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on October 26, 2017, 04:50:PM
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on being told by Jeremy that Mathew MacDonald was the hitman why does she never think to ask MacDonald weather its true or not.
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on being told by Jeremy that Mathew MacDonald was the hitman why does she never think to ask MacDonald weather its true or not.
Because she didn't know him. Or how to locate him.
And because she was with Bamber all the time after he whisked her over to WHF after a 5am phone call.
And Bamber told her MM was disappearing after the massacre.
And she told the police what she knew. They can find and ask MM. It's their job.
Next David will be saying the police should have wired up Julie after they had split up to try to get an audio confession from Bamber. Wait there...
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and nobody in her circule knew how to contact him ethere,
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on being told by Jeremy that Mathew MacDonald was the hitman why does she never think to ask MacDonald weather its true or not.
You'd have thought she'd have asked or said something.Like," is it true what Jeremy told me that you were a hitman ?"
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You'd have thought she'd have asked or said something.Like," is it true what Jeremy told me that you were a hitman ?"
you might of thought so.
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and nobody in her circule knew how to contact him ethere,
What circle ? She was a 20 year old student who lived in Lewisham. Not Inspector Morse.
Bamber was whisking her around England & Amsterdam on his jolly ups anyway.
Best thing is tell the police what she knew and let them ask questions. That is what she did.
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What circle ? She was a 20 year old student who lived in Lewisham. Not Inspector Morse.
Bamber was whisking her around England & Amsterdam on his jolly ups anyway.
Best thing is tell the police what she knew and let them ask questions. That is what she did.
her circule meaning her friends people she knew you don't have to be inspecter morse to do that.
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her circule meaning her friends people she knew you don't have to be inspecter morse to do that.
He's being funny,nugs. It's the way he is.
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her circule meaning her friends people she knew you don't have to be inspecter morse to do that.
The people she knew lived in Lewisham. Or worked at Goldsmiths college. In Lewisham.
Who is going to know MM ? Even Julie didn't & she had been with Bamber for 18 months.
Besides which Bamber was keeping a tight reign on her movements during his jolly ups.
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I think she could of easly found macdonald and asked him.
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I think she could of easly found macdonald and asked him.
Well she went to the police & told them. Completed a 34 page WS & testified in court.
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Because she didn't know him. Or how to locate him.
Yes she did.
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Yes she did.
'I knew to who he was referring'.
Of course she did. Otherwise Bamber wouldn't use MM as a proxy.
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and I think she knew perfectly well where he could be located.
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and I think she knew perfectly well where he could be located.
Was she going to ask Bamber, who said MM was disappearing. Or ask people in Lewisham ?
Anyway you believe Julie was wrong to tell 5 people & then approach the police. Although it has been known for people to approach the police before.
You believe she should have dangerously sneeked around behind Bamber's back while he was whisking her around England & Amsterdam on his jolly ups. Trying to find a way to get in contact with MM.
What was MM going to say to Julie 'yes Bamber paid me & I killed 5 people' ?
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Was she going to ask Bamber, who said MM was disappearing. Or ask people in Lewisham ?
Anyway you believe Julie was wrong to tell 5 people & then approach the police. Although it has been known for people to approach the police before.
You believe she should have dangerously sneeked around behind Bamber's back while he was whisking her around England & Amsterdam on his jolly ups. Trying to find a way to get in contact with MM.
What was MM going to say to Julie 'yes Bamber paid me & I killed 5 people' ?
you would think she would at least ask had she done so he would of told her he dident.
you might think that before implicating somone in a murder she might like ask at least for there version of events.
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you would think she would at least ask had she done so he would of told her he dident.
you might think that before implicating somone in a murder she might like ask at least for there version of events.
I would have just gone to the police.
Rather than dangerously trying to locate a man Bamber had said was disappearing. Who she didn't know anyway. While Bamber was keeping a close eye on her & whisking her around England & Amsterdam.
Julie knew Bamber committed the crime. She wasn't stupid & said she knew Bamber didn't have the paltry £2,000 he said he paid MM.
You believe Julie should have searched for MM. Whether guilty or not he would just deny any involvement to her.
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I would have just gone to the police.
Rather than dangerously trying to locate a man Bamber had said was disappearing. Who she didn't know anyway. While Bamber was keeping a close eye on her & whisking her around England & Amsterdam.
Julie knew Bamber committed the crime. She wasn't stupid & said she knew Bamber didn't have the paltry £2,000 he said he paid MM.
You believe Julie should have searched for MM. Whether guilty or not he would just deny any involvement to her.
well if she had asked some of her friends she would of known he wasn't going anywhere.
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well if she had asked some of her friends she would of known he wasn't going anywhere.
Oh yes. The friends in Lewisham & Goldsmiths college who didn't know MM.
She could ring them up from Amsterdam.
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it wouldn't of been hard to find out that Mathew MacDonald was not going away.
now you might think that on being a shocking story like that you might want to know a bit more.
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on being told by Jeremy that Mathew MacDonald was the hitman why does she never think to ask MacDonald weather its true or not.
A she didn't know him
B who intheir right mind would ask a would be killer if they murdered 5 people?
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A she didn't know him
B who intheir right mind would ask a would be killer if they murdered 5 people?
I mustn't be in the right mind because if the offender was facing me,I'd ask,no problem,even if I did get a negative answer.
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She could have telephoned Christine Bacon I suppose.
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But did JB really tell JM that MM had done the killings OR did she make this up whilst trying to protect JB ?! Although not knowing MM personally JM knew of MM from the time when she lived at Bourtree.Cott as he was supplying JB with hemp seeds and heard the stories of MM being a mercenary.
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But did JB really tell JM that MM had done the killings OR did she make this up whilst trying to protect JB ?! Although not knowing MM personally JM knew of MM from the time when she lived at Bourtree.Cott as he was supplying JB with hemp seeds and heard the stories of MM being a mercenary.
Julie approached the police, made a 34 WS, then testified a year later. Which helped convict Bamber.
However made up MM to protect Bamber ?
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Julie approached the police, made a 34 WS, then testified a year later. Which helped convict Bamber.
However made up MM to protect Bamber ?
hw would she protect bamber by making up mm he would still be guilty of murder.
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But did JB really tell JM that MM had done the killings OR did she make this up whilst trying to protect JB ?! Although not knowing MM personally JM knew of MM from the time when she lived at Bourtree.Cott as he was supplying JB with hemp seeds and heard the stories of MM being a mercenary.
Protect him from what? ???
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hw would she protect bamber by making up mm he would still be guilty of murder.
I suppose if you go down that line of thinking he might have received a lesser sentence. But the whole thing would have unravelled (as it did) as soon as Matthew Macdonald was questioned, so it's an unlikely scenario in my opinion.
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Ok, it was just a different scenario as I don't believe JM all of a sudden couldn't stand the lies JB was giving so gave a 34 page statement against JB. She loved JB and would do anything for him. For someone her age to offer to identify the twins bodies because JB couldn't makes me think she was a very hard person. I also still believe that JB murdered all of his family that night. JM making sure she was out of harms way that night by staying in London....she knew a lot more than she at first told police.
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I suppose if you go down that line of thinking he might have received a lesser sentence. But the whole thing would have unravelled (as it did) as soon as Matthew Macdonald was questioned, so it's an unlikely scenario in my opinion.
no he would of got exactly the same sentence paying somone else to do it doesn't in any mitigate the crime in law.
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Ok, it was just a different scenario as I don't believe JM all of a sudden couldn't stand the lies JB was giving so gave a 34 page statement against JB. She loved JB and would do anything for him. For someone her age to offer to identify the twins bodies because JB couldn't makes me think she was a very hard person. I also still believe that JB murdered all of his family that night. JM making sure she was out of harms way that night by staying in London....she knew a lot more than she at first told police.
That's interesting Romeo. I know it was the holiday period but I wonder if there was an explanation as to why she was back at Caterham Road leaving Jeremy alone at Bourtree Cottage.
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no he would of got exactly the same sentence paying somone else to do it doesn't in any mitigate the crime in law.
You're probably right nugnug. This was mentioned by Stephanie the other day. I just wonder whether the conspiracy to murder charge might have attracted a lesser sentence, especially if he had confessed.
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Exactly my thoughts Steve! I thought maybe if she was threatened with being charged herself she then came clean about JB up to a point...BUT... she didn't want him charged with murder!! So thinking if she said Jeremy told her MM had done the murders then JB would get a lesser sentence. Now Nug has pointed out that this isn't so...thanks Nug.
I still think she was a nasty piece of work at that time.
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Yes and what would the Defence have said had Julie stayed the night at Bourtree Cottage? In fact Jeremy's plan wouldn't have worked because of the telephone call, but he would just have had to arrive at the Farm as if nothing untoward had happened the next day.
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i notice rwb also suspects macdonald to me thats that ethere he thought jeremy dident have the stomache to actully do the deed himself or he thought couldent of actully got there in time.
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i notice rwb also suspects macdonald to me thats that ethere he thought jeremy dident have the stomache to actully do the deed himself or he thought couldent of actully got there in time.
Have you got a source that RB suspected MM ?
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i notice rwb also suspects macdonald to me thats that ethere he thought jeremy dident have the stomache to actully do the deed himself or he thought couldent of actully got there in time.
Would you like to support this claim with an official source?
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Would you like to support this claim with an official source?
You do realise you have asked Nugs for a source ?
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I think she could of easly found macdonald and asked him.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us how, then, Nugs?
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well if she had asked some of her friends she would of known he wasn't going anywhere.
What makes you think any of her uni friends knew MM? What makes you think any of her uni friends had been to any of those places MM was alleged to have frequented?
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Perhaps you'd like to tell us how, then, Nugs?
Since they had met previously and they also had mutual friends/acquaintances. She approaches them saying "do you know where Matthew is? I have something id like to ask him"
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Full stop.
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Full stop.
It appears so. Nugs not being able to come up with a workable answer.
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It appears so. Nugs not being able to come up with a workable answer.
That's because David has answered. It's known that JM was acquainted with MM having met him at Goldhanger,I think it was and no doubt nights on the town too.
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That's because David has answered. It's known that JM was acquainted with MM having met him at Goldhanger,I think it was and no doubt nights on the town too.
Let me get this straight. She MET him........once, twice? How would that cause her to be "acquainted" with him? Can you provide evidence of "nights on the town" together with evidence that they singled each other out for conversation and/or exchanged names/addresses/phone numbers? Julie lived in London. In a house from which outgoing calls couldn't be made. She couldn't contact him. Did she meet with him each and every time she visited Jeremy? Did she meet with those who may have known him very time she visited Jeremy? I'd like to know how you define "acquainted".
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Let me get this straight. She MET him........once, twice? How would that cause her to be "acquainted" with him? Can you provide evidence of "nights on the town" together with evidence that they singled each other out for conversation and/or exchanged names/addresses/phone numbers? Julie lived in London. In a house from which outgoing calls couldn't be made. She couldn't contact him. Did she meet with him each and every time she visited Jeremy? Did she meet with those who may have known him very time she visited Jeremy? I'd like to know how you define "acquainted".
Who knows how many times she may have met him ? NONE of us can say,can we as he seemed to have been in the company of the usual clique in pubs and nights out. ?
As it happened,JM was with JB,not MM,but she'd have known about him all the same. As for the term " nodding acquaintance ",well you can always refer to that,being as you're so pedantic.
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Who knows how many times she may have met him ? NONE of us can say,can we as he seemed to have been in the company of the usual clique in pubs and nights out. ?
As it happened,JM was with JB,not MM,but she'd have known about him all the same. As for the term " nodding acquaintance ",well you can always refer to that,being as you're so pedantic.
So for your purposes, they were 'close up and personal'? She may well have SEEN him. It doesn't mean she KNEW him. He may well have been -as part of a crowd- at some of the same social functions, but he may NOT have been one of those she socialized with whilst they were there. In fact, it's possible that had she seen him anywhere other than with Jeremy and her usual crowd, she may not have recognized him. Pedantic? I? When you insist "She'd have known him all the same"?
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So for your purposes, they were 'close up and personal'? She may well have SEEN him. It doesn't mean she KNEW him. He may well have been -as part of a crowd- at some of the same social functions, but he may NOT have been one of those she socialized with whilst they were there. In fact, it's possible that had she seen him anywhere other than with Jeremy and her usual crowd, she may not have recognized him. Pedantic? I? When you insist "She'd have known him all the same"?
FGS,there you go again ::) " Up close and personal is miles away from a nodding acquaintance-------do stop exaggerating,it's tedious,tiresome and predictable.
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The whole crux of it was that she knew him and knew of him---end of.
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The whole crux of it was that she knew him and knew of him---end of.
'Knowing' a person is very different from knowing OF a person and neither signifies a close enough relationship for one to ask the other if they'd committed murder.
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'Knowing' a person is very different from knowing OF a person and neither signifies a close enough relationship for one to ask the other if they'd committed murder.
I DID NOT mention any close-relationship--------you did ! ::)
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I DID NOT mention any close-relationship--------you did ! ::)
However, you're suggesting it was close enough for her to ask him if he'd been responsible for slaughtering the Bamber family. Not a question I'D ask of someone I was only "nodding acquaintance" with.
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However, you're suggesting it was close enough for her to ask him if he'd been responsible for slaughtering the Bamber family. Not a question I'D ask of someone I was only "nodding acquaintance" with.
It would be far easier to ask someone like that than someone you knew very well ? I could.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1057.0;attach=3286
MM says he does not know a Julie Mugford.
The police then remind him he is Bamber's girlfriend & he knows who she is.
So there was no way Julie could have located him. And no reason why she should.
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It would be far easier to ask someone like that than someone you knew very well ? I could.
Well, next time you approach someone -whose company you've only been in a couple of times- and ask them, out of the blue, if they've committed murder -or any other heinous crime of your choosing- perhaps, as you habitually make claims of having the ability to carry out tasks/ask questions others would have the good grace to refrain from, you'd like to make some provable record of it for posterity and verification, otherwise it's only a question of bravado on your part, isn't it.
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i notice rwb also suspects macdonald to me thats that ethere he thought jeremy dident have the stomache to actully do the deed himself or he thought couldent of actully got there in time.
Hopefully Nugs will provide a source for this today as well. Which has been requested by more than one poster on this thread.
It does waste a lot of time for posters on the forum if Nugs says a relative, the police or Bamber said something, when they didn't.
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Hopefully Nugs will provide a source for this today as well. Which has been requested by more than one poster on this thread.
It does waste a lot of time for posters on the forum if Nugs says a relative, the police or Bamber said something, when they didn't.
He doesn't have one, he got that idea from David.
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He doesn't have one, he got that idea from David.
Got what idea from me?
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Got what idea from me?
No idea
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Hopefully Nugs will provide a source for this today as well. Which has been requested by more than one poster on this thread.
It does waste a lot of time for posters on the forum if Nugs says a relative, the police or Bamber said something, when they didn't.
david allready provded a source for that
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david allready provded a source for that
A source that RB suspected MM ? Would be surprised if RB even knew MM.
If David has a convoluted theory about how RB & Julie imagined together how MM (a total stranger) had been hired by Bamber, that does not mean you can say 'I notice rwb suspects Macdonald'.