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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Stephanie on October 19, 2017, 08:58:AM
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"A person who won’t acknowledge his or her bad choices and bad habits and repeatedly blames others for his shortcomings will never correct his erroneous thinking or behavior. Whenever he plays the blame game, you know the disturbed character has no intentions of changing his ways. Habitually blaming others for his own indiscretions is a principal way the disturbed character resists modifying his problematic attitudes and behavior patterns. https://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/02/27/blame-game/
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Jeremy Bamber blames everyone and anyone for his shortcomings and has done for 33 years.
Nowhere have I ever seen him take responsibility for anything, EVER
"The tactic goes hand in hand with the tactic of portraying oneself as a victim
I've come to the conclusion the reason he always blames others Is in order to relieve his own sense of guilt
JM did not do this; her witness statements are evidence of this and show she took responsibility for her wrong doings
Whilst some members are quick to attempt to blame and shame her for her actions, they fail to recognise the strength of her evidence and indeed the type of character she was
JM took responsibility, Bamber did not
Jeremy Bamber BLAMED his families indiscretions as being behind the motive behind why he burgled the family run caravan site
NEVER once did he apologise EVER for the error of his ways
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Jeremy Bamber blames everyone and anyone for his shortcomings and has done for 33 years.
Nowhere have I ever seen him take responsibility for anything, EVER
"The tactic goes hand in hand with the tactic of portraying oneself as a victim
I've come to the conclusion the reason he always blames others Is in order to relieve his own sense of guilt
JM did not do this; her witness statements are evidence of this and show she took responsibility for her wrong doings
Whilst some members are quick to attempt to blame and shame her for her actions, they fail to recognise the strength of her evidence and indeed the type of character she was
JM only confessed because she was forced to. In order to save herself from prosecution she made a deal. She knew the truth would come out.
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Correct,lebaleb.
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JM only confessed because she was forced to. In order to save herself from prosecution she made a deal. She knew the truth would come out.
Confessed about what
To what are you referring when you say "JM only confessed"
Your argument is nothing more than a myth Bamber has created in order to keep up his farce
However if you really believe this nonsense
Tell me:
What punishment would JM received in relation to the cheque book fraud etc
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JM only confessed because she was forced to. In order to save herself from prosecution she made a deal. She knew the truth would come out.
The truth would come out about what exactly
Please don't tell me you are referring to the cheque book fraud
It came out in her witness statement
It was ALREADY out
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JM only confessed because she was forced to. In order to save herself from prosecution she made a deal. She knew the truth would come out.
Forced to by who?
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And so the blame game continues
It's always someone else's fault - Jeremy Bamber must be an alien from another planet because in the real world NO ONE is perfect
Those that are openly supporting him have created an illusion of him in their minds
Never have I heard a negative word said about him - it's always someelses fault
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And so the blame game continues
It's always someone else's fault - Jeremy Bamber must be an alien from another planet because in the real world NO ONE is perfect
Those that are openly supporting him have created an illusion of him in their minds
Never have I heard a negative word said about him - it's always someelses fault
And he never has a bad word to day about anyone! ???
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His blogs like this sicken me - they are manufactured to play on the emotions of others
Jeremy's 56th Birthday, 13th January
When I think about all the birthdays I have spent in prison, I remember receiving some of the best gifts anyone can give. The prison has always had very strict policies about what is allowed in and in recent years restrictions have grown even tighter. What sometimes amazes me is how people work around these difficulties to share the most amazing things with me. One lady many years ago bought me a star for my birthday, others send wonderful drawings and paintings and many send photos from holidays or of their gardens in bloom. I love sharing all of these things with my friends and supporters, the people who take those moments to share a part of themselves with me.
Personal memories are the best kinds of gifts shared, many people write with their happy recollections of events, it might be a marriage or a birth or the day they passed their driving test or got their degree. Others allow me glimpses into their every day life chatting as you would over coffee and expressing their woes, or just sharing the events of the day, moans about the latest parking fine they just received or details of their new shoes. Some debate over moving house or worry about relocating from the city to the country and sometimes I can allay fears over living in the rural but quiet and picturesque villages or homesteads.
I receive often very emotional letters from people who have lost family members in tragic circumstances or they have a sister, mother or child suffering from a serious mental illness. I share in their concerns; offer words of comfort and strength and most of all hope. Some friends write letters from all over the world while they travel or from where they live. Many are ex-pats and others of many different nationalities and it touches me that they are so far away and yet have heard about my wrongful imprisonment, which has moved them to write kind, supportive words and send a birthday greeting.
Strangers confide their loneliness, a feeling that is often all too real in prison, and I identify with the way they reach out to me baring so many emotions. People talk about pain, illness and suffering and in sharing together we find a salve. And soon strangers become friends; they share the laughter in their lives, the comedy in their relationships.
Friends pen their hopes and dreams for the future and talk about what we will do together once I’m on the outside. I’m looking forward to sharing so many of the things you write about in person. All your conversations in cards, letters and emails are welcome. So the next time you write a simple card to me, or offer words of comfort and strength, remember how much I appreciate these gifts even though they’re simple words, they’re so much more than that to me.
Jeremy
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Friday, January 13, 2017
Maybe his supporters have forgotten about the letters posted here on this forum about what he actually thinks about this behaviour
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Now read this http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,908.0.html
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And he never has a bad word to day about anyone! ???
I know for a fact Bamber has slated the CT no end
He's terrified of them and reckons they control him ::)
The fact is, they are terrified of him and he controls them
It's time he was exposed for the con man and mass murderer he is
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His blogs like this sicken me - they are manufactured to play on the emotions of others
Jeremy's 56th Birthday, 13th January
When I think about all the birthdays I have spent in prison, I remember receiving some of the best gifts anyone can give. The prison has always had very strict policies about what is allowed in and in recent years restrictions have grown even tighter. What sometimes amazes me is how people work around these difficulties to share the most amazing things with me. One lady many years ago bought me a star for my birthday, others send wonderful drawings and paintings and many send photos from holidays or of their gardens in bloom. I love sharing all of these things with my friends and supporters, the people who take those moments to share a part of themselves with me.
Personal memories are the best kinds of gifts shared, many people write with their happy recollections of events, it might be a marriage or a birth or the day they passed their driving test or got their degree. Others allow me glimpses into their every day life chatting as you would over coffee and expressing their woes, or just sharing the events of the day, moans about the latest parking fine they just received or details of their new shoes. Some debate over moving house or worry about relocating from the city to the country and sometimes I can allay fears over living in the rural but quiet and picturesque villages or homesteads.
I receive often very emotional letters from people who have lost family members in tragic circumstances or they have a sister, mother or child suffering from a serious mental illness. I share in their concerns; offer words of comfort and strength and most of all hope. Some friends write letters from all over the world while they travel or from where they live. Many are ex-pats and others of many different nationalities and it touches me that they are so far away and yet have heard about my wrongful imprisonment, which has moved them to write kind, supportive words and send a birthday greeting.
Strangers confide their loneliness, a feeling that is often all too real in prison, and I identify with the way they reach out to me baring so many emotions. People talk about pain, illness and suffering and in sharing together we find a salve. And soon strangers become friends; they share the laughter in their lives, the comedy in their relationships.
Friends pen their hopes and dreams for the future and talk about what we will do together once I’m on the outside. I’m looking forward to sharing so many of the things you write about in person. All your conversations in cards, letters and emails are welcome. So the next time you write a simple card to me, or offer words of comfort and strength, remember how much I appreciate these gifts even though they’re simple words, they’re so much more than that to me.
Jeremy
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Friday, January 13, 2017
Maybe his supporters have forgotten about the letters posted here on this forum about what he actually thinks about this behaviour
Jeremy Bamber stated;
"Helpful to a bereaved person much like any councellor can be so long as it's about a few comforting words
Bamber states the above is "100% bollocks in other words meaningless
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"The words of psychopathic murderers match their personalities, which reflect selfishness, detachment from their crimes and emotional flatness http://earthsky.org/human-world/text-analysis-reveals-word-patterns-of-psychopaths
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I know for a fact Bamber has slated the CT no end
He's terrified of them and reckons they control him ::)
The fact is, they are terrified of him and he controls them
It's time he was exposed for the con man and mass murderer he is
The campaigns fault for why he's still in prison - not his fault EVER
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The campaigns fault for why he's still in prison - not his fault EVER
I agree, Stephanie, good posts actually. I also think this is why he goes through so many legal teams - it's easier to blame others for their failings and blame then because that is a good excuse and it's a good distraction from the actual fact that the reason his appeals and campaigns fail isn't due to the failures of others but because he is guilty.
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I agree, Stephanie, good posts actually. I also think this is why he goes through so many legal teams - it's easier to blame others for their failings and blame then because that is a good excuse and it's a good distraction from the actual fact that the reason his appeals and campaigns fail isn't due to the failures of others but because he is guilty.
Simon Hall did the same Mat
He blamed previous campaigners, just like Bamber has done & silly me fell for that also ::)
- though it turned out there was more to that after all
There is no ignoring the same patterns of behaviour
It's all there
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The " so many legal teams " probably couldn't keep up. The case was/is way out of their league.
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The " so many legal teams " probably couldn't keep up. The case was/is way out of their league.
It's an open and shut case
There is no "league" involved in crime Lookout - you are either guilty or not guilty
Or in Scotland not proven, which means sweet fa imo
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The " so many legal teams " probably couldn't keep up. The case was/is way out of their league.
Which is the exact point that I was making - Bamber will blame the legal teams as being responsible for not being able to handle the case or the evidence.
Nevermind the fact that the legal team has hand their hands tied by the evidence pointing to guilt.
Simon Hall did the same Mat
He blamed previous campaigners, just like Bamber has done & silly me fell for that also ::)
- though it turned out there was more to that after all
There is no ignoring the same patterns of behaviour
It's all there
I don't think that you can be called "silly" for that. The Simon Hall case seemed like a simple case of he murdered her, or he didn't murder her.
But then it took quite a strange turn when the robbery was revealed.....If you had known about the robbery from the start it would have been fairer for you to make an opinion, but the fact that was kept from you for so long pretty much led you to believe one thing, when the truth was the opposite. I think anyone who allowed you to be in that position, fighting and campaining, yet kept something so big from you - deserves to be condemned to be honest.
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So much evidence had not been available which pointed to his innocence,had been one of the biggest problems that past lawyers were faced with and still are,plus the trouble and expense of court orders which put a lot of lawyers off.Not that applying for court orders makes any difference as it's been proved that they don't.
If Essex police have nothing to hide,then why don't they produce the documents requested ? I can't think what could still be of interest to them hanging on to them after all these years.
If they'd been detrimental to JB's cause,they'd have been displayed for all to see,but the longer EP hang on to them,the more suspicion grows------which it has,in many.
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So much evidence had not been available which pointed to his innocence,had been one of the biggest problems that past lawyers were faced with and still are,plus the trouble and expense of court orders which put a lot of lawyers off.Not that applying for court orders makes any difference as it's been proved that they don't.
If Essex police have nothing to hide,then why don't they produce the documents requested ? I can't think what could still be of interest to them hanging on to them after all these years.
If they'd been detrimental to JB's cause,they'd have been displayed for all to see,but the longer EP hang on to them,the more suspicion grows------which it has,in many.
What documents are still requested. When I was last here a year ago, Jeremy claimed that he now had everything.
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What documents are still requested. When I was last here a year ago, Jeremy claimed that he now had everything.
Bamber has everything.
The CT claim he hasn't as media properganda.
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What documents are still requested. When I was last here a year ago, Jeremy claimed that he now had everything.
There are still the original murder/suicide documents being held. If you don't believe me,get in touch with Trudi of the CT-------she won't bite.
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The handwritten letter by DS Kennealley where when asked about his review on the case,answered that " the evidence had indicated that Sheila was responsible " ref.Stokenchurch Enquiry.
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The typed review of the case had asked :
" Why was Jeremy Bamber charged with murder when the evidence suggested that Sheila Caffell was responsible "?
" Where is the evidence used for Det Supt.Kennealley's view of the case and why has it not been disclosed "?
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It's an open and shut case
It is certainly not an open and shut case, why it is still being strongly debated a third of a century later. It depended upon largely circumstantial evidence, with no conclusive forensic evidence. A number of people, not idiots, support JB's efforts to secure a further appeal.
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The typed review of the case had asked :
" Why was Jeremy Bamber charged with murder when the evidence suggested that Sheila Caffell was responsible "?
" Where is the evidence used for Det Supt.Kennealley's view of the case and why has it not been disclosed "?
Lookout can you remember if EP released any or indeed all of Julie's witness statement something is telling me they held some back.
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It is certainly not an open and shut case, why it is still being strongly debated a third of a century later. It depended upon largely circumstantial evidence, with no conclusive forensic evidence. A number of people, not idiots, support JB's efforts to secure a further appeal.
The mountain of evidence which shows it was not Sheila. Surely that is conclusive forensic evidence.
Do you believe Sheila changed & had a shower after reading the bible.
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The mountain of evidence which shows it was not Sheila. Surely that is conclusive forensic evidence.
Do you believe Sheila changed & had a shower after reading the bible.
I do not consider there to be conclusive forensic evidence showing that Sheila was not responsible.
I do not know whether Sheila changed and had a shower but that possibility cannot be ruled out.
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I do not consider there to be conclusive forensic evidence showing that Sheila was not responsible.
I do not know whether Sheila changed and had a shower but that possibility cannot be ruled out.
Why would Sheila change into her nightdress after a shower ? She was going to commit suicide, not go back to bed.
Well there is a mountain of evidence that it was not Sheila. I will re post.
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It is certainly not an open and shut case, why it is still being strongly debated a third of a century later. It depended upon largely circumstantial evidence, with no conclusive forensic evidence. A number of people, not idiots, support JB's efforts to secure a further appeal.
Here here
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This is for NGB who has said 'I do not consider there to be conclusive forensic evidence showing that Sheila was not responsibe' -
Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA
One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA
Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila. Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA
Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.
No broken nails - Not disputed COA.
Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.
No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.
No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.
No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.
No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA
Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.
Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.
No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.
No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.
No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.
Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.
Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.
Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.
Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.
Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.
Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.
Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.
Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.
Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.
No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.
Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.
Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.
June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.
Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER
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Not sure what else can be supplied.
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It is certainly not an open and shut case, why it is still being strongly debated a third of a century later. It depended upon largely circumstantial evidence, with no conclusive forensic evidence. A number of people, not idiots, support JB's efforts to secure a further appeal.
What forensic evidence would you like to see, wearing your Prosecution barrister's hat as it were..
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I agree, Stephanie, good posts actually. I also think this is why he goes through so many legal teams - it's easier to blame others for their failings and blame then because that is a good excuse and it's a good distraction from the actual fact that the reason his appeals and campaigns fail isn't due to the failures of others but because he is guilty.
If legal teams don’t have all the evidence they do what they can, are they then willing to fight to get hold of the money itheld evidence no because they can’t afford to. It only works if the accused has the same resourc s and money as the prosecutor and that just doesn’t happen
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Lookout can you remember if EP released any or indeed all of Julie's witness statement something is telling me they held some back.
A lot of them were held back Susan. Probably those which would have been totally irrelevant to the prosecution. How biased in favour of the prosecution this case had been,with police working with forensics
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What forensic evidence would you like to see, wearing your Prosecution barrister's hat as it were..
Good question.
It just needs one piece of evidence to show it wasn't Sheila. Obviously what the COA published prior to making their decision is not enough.
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It is certainly not an open and shut case, why it is still being strongly debated a third of a century later. It depended upon largely circumstantial evidence, with no conclusive forensic evidence. A number of people, not idiots, support JB's efforts to secure a further appeal.
Why does Bamber not trust the CT
ANYONE can be conned ngb that includes you. No one is immune
The fact it is still being debated 30 plus years later means zero
I very much doubt it would have been if it weren't for the Internet
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Good question.
It just needs one piece of evidence to show it wasn't Sheila. Obviously what the COA published prior to making their decision is not enough.
There's heaps of evidence to say that it was Sheila------------including the letter from DS Kennealley.
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What forensic evidence would you like to see, wearing your Prosecution barrister's hat as it were..
It is not a question of what I would like to see, but what evidence actually exists. Such forensic evidence as there is is not only suspect in various ways, but also is inconclusive.
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Why would Sheila change into her nightdress after a shower ? She was going to commit suicide, not go back to bed.
Well there is a mountain of evidence that it was not Sheila. I will re post.
I do not know, nor do I need to have a definitive view on this.
There is no need to re-post everything you have posted before.
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Why does Bamber not trust the CT
ANYONE can be conned ngb that includes you. No one is immune
The fact it is still being debated 30 plus years later means zero
I very much doubt it would have been if it weren't for the Internet
I think JB probably does trust the CT.
I agree anyone can be conned. I have not been conned in this instance. I have an inquiring and challenging approach to cases such as this.
The internet enables more people to become aware of potential MOJs.
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This is for NGB who has said 'I do not consider there to be conclusive forensic evidence showing that Sheila was not responsibe' -
Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA
One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA
Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila. Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA
Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.
No broken nails - Not disputed COA.
Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.
No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.
No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.
Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.
No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.
No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA
Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.
Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.
No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.
No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.
No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.
No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.
Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.
Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.
Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.
Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.
Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.
Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.
Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.
Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.
Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.
Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.
No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.
Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.
Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.
June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.
Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.
Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER
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Not sure what else can be supplied.
None of this is conclusive forensic evidence of guilt.
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None of this is conclusive forensic evidence of guilt.
Of course it's not and he knows it
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None of this is conclusive forensic evidence of guilt.
The judges in the 2002 Court of Appeal disagreed with you.
The judges even said the more they look at the case the more they believe the jury were right.
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FFS
You make it so obvious Jeremy is innocent, you keep defending your mate Mugford but time is running out for all the liars here
Even those who believe Jeremy guilty do not excuse Julie's behaviour: her silence was difficult to justify and the News of the World pictures were a disgrace. But I'm afraid there's far more to this case, if only the Jeremy supporters could see it.
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Forced to by who?
You mean 'Forced by whom'.
She was forced by the situation to confess to the cheque fraud. She was forced by Liz Rimmington to go to the police after making sensational claims to her friends. She was forced by the reality that her career would be left in tatters if she didn't make a deal.
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You mean 'Forced by whom'.
She was forced by the situation to confess to the cheque fraud. She was forced by Liz Rimmington to go to the police after making sensational claims to her friends. She was forced by the reality that her career would be left in tatters if she didn't make a deal.
Who or whom, it's fine either way
Where is your evidence for these claims lebaleb
Her teaching career would not have been left in tatters - you are exaggerating
When you and others recognise that JM was responsible for her own actions and recognise the fact she had choices and STOP blaming everyone else - you might just start to see the wood through the trees
Why not talk about Bambers indiscretions - as per the title of this thread
Why does he say the campaign team control him, for example - you've read his letters
Why does he tell lie after lie
Why is he obsessed with money
Why does he blame everyone else but himself
Why is he incapable of taking ANY responsibility
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I think JB probably does trust the CT.
I agree anyone can be conned. I have not been conned in this instance. I have an inquiring and challenging approach to cases such as this.
The internet enables more people to become aware of potential MOJs.
You know he doesn't trust the campaign team. And look how's he treated Mike, Jackie, Aunt Agatha, Daisy et al...
You have been conned NGB and appear to be in denial
I too have an inquiring and challenging approach, as do many others
Why didn't the police prosecute Simon Halls mother for example
Why did the police drop the sexual elememt theme and go for a burglary gone wrong motive
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Who or whom, it's fine either way
Where is your evidence for these claims lebaleb
Her teaching career would not have been left in tatters - you are exaggerating
When you and others recognise that JM was responsible for her own actions and recognise the fact she had choices and STOP blaming everyone else - you might just start to see the wood through the trees
Why not talk about Bambers indiscretions - as per the title of this thread
Why does he say the campaign team control him, for example - you've read his letters
Why does he tell lie after lie
Why is he obsessed with money
Why does he blame everyone else but himself
Why is he incapable of taking ANY responsibility
Because he is innocent.
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Because he is innocent.
Classic answer.
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Because he is innocent.
Maybe you need to familiarise yourself with normal human behaviour
The reason he is incapable of EVER taking responsibility for his actions is quite clearly due to a stunt in his emotional growth as some point during his early years
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Classic answer.
Ill thought out
Or no thought at all
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Ill thought out
Or no thought at all
I suspect the exact opposite.
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I suspect the exact opposite.
Do you drink funky mushroom tea for breakfast Roch ;D
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Do you drink funky mushroom tea for breakfast Roch ;D
Not since the early 90's :))
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It was JB who was used as a scapegoat for everyone else's shortcomings.!!
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Classic answer.
Predictable answer.
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Both Sheila and Jeremy were connected in some way to the Jay families. ?
Jeremy's birth mother is the daughter of the then chaplain to Eric Jay.
Sheila's birth mother is the daughter of one of the Jays.
How peculiar ?
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Both Sheila and Jeremy were connected in some way to the Jay families. ?
Jeremy's birth mother is the daughter of the then chaplain to Eric Jay.
Sheila's birth mother is the daughter of one of the Jays.
How peculiar ?
I thought Eric Jay was Sheila's grandfather/Christine's father, who was one of the officiating clerics at the Coronation. She also had an uncle who was a cleric. With such a family background it seems somewhat unusual for their daughter to end up in domestic service -albeit, royal.
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I thought Eric Jay was Sheila's grandfather/Christine's father, who was one of the officiating clerics at the Coronation. She also had an uncle who was a cleric. With such a family background it seems somewhat unusual for their daughter to end up in domestic service -albeit, royal.
As well as JB's birth mother at the age of 18 having also worked for Eric Jay,who I already knew was Christine's grandfather.
I was mainly pointing out the connection between both siblings re. them being adopted.
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Classic answer.
A correct answer also.
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Both Sheila and Jeremy were connected in some way to the Jay families. ?
Jeremy's birth mother is the daughter of the then chaplain to Eric Jay.
Sheila's birth mother is the daughter of one of the Jays.
How peculiar ?
Where are you getting this from Lookout?
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Where are you getting this from Lookout?
I thought it was only Sheila who was connected to the Jay family?
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I thought it was only Sheila who was connected to the Jay family?
According to all the information I can find, that's correct. Jeremy's mother, Juliet Wheeler was a student midwife who never had ANY connection with a member of the Jay family. Sheila and Jeremy's only connection to each other, as far as I can see, was that they became adopted siblings by circumstance.
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Where are you getting this from Lookout?
From someone who's pretty knowledgeable about these things ;D
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I thought it was only Sheila who was connected to the Jay family?
By birth Maggie,but it's a strange coincidence that JB's birth mother should work for the then chaplain who we know to have been Sheila's grandfather.
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By birth Maggie,but it's a strange coincidence that JB's birth mother should work for the then chaplain who we know to have been Sheila's grandfather.
Where does your information come from, Lookout? Are you saying that Sheila and Jeremy were related prior to adoption? And why would a student midwife be working for a cleric?
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Where does your information come from, Lookout? Are you saying that Sheila and Jeremy were related prior to adoption? And why would a student midwife be working for a cleric?
Not related,but connected to the Jay family-------Sheila by birth and Jeremy's birth mother by employment to the Jays.
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Not related,but connected to the Jay family-------Sheila by birth and Jeremy's birth mother by employment to the Jays.
Employed in what capacity? She was a 23 yr old student midwife at the time of Jeremy's birth -might he have completed nursing training- and was still studying midwifery when she married Jeremy's father 18 months later.
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She was the daughter of the senior chaplain to Eric Jay when he was the Archbishop of Canterbury.
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She was the daughter of the senior chaplain to Eric Jay when he was the Archbishop of Canterbury.
THAT WAS CHRISTINE JAY, SHEILA'S MOTHER. SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JULIET WHEELER WHO WAS JEREMY'S MOTHER!!!!
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THAT WAS CHRISTINE JAY, SHEILA'S MOTHER. SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JULIET WHEELER WHO WAS JEREMY'S MOTHER!!!!
No need to shout as it's not me who's got mixed up.
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No need to shout as it's not me who's got mixed up.
It most certainly seems to be.
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It most certainly seems to be.
No,it's what I foolishly repeated as does happen when you misinterpret something. However the rest of the said blog is eye-opening.
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No,it's what I foolishly repeated as does happen when you misinterpret something. However the rest of the said blog is eye-opening.
Hey lookout where can I view this blog it sounds interesting
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No,it's what I foolishly repeated as does happen when you misinterpret something. However the rest of the said blog is eye-opening.
Then it might be a reasonable idea for you to put other peoples' words in quotes so we know they're not your words. I would, according to it's source, suggest the blog might be erroneous.
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Hey lookout where can I view this blog it sounds interesting
If you go on to bambertweets, scroll down the posts and you'll find a blog by Poppy ( who writes,phones and emails JB ) which she wrote this last August. She has done a lot for Jeremy.
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If you go on to bambertweets, scroll down the posts and you'll find a blog by Poppy ( who writes,phones and emails JB ) which she wrote this last August. She has done a lot for Jeremy.
Poppy!!! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. ::) ::) ::)
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If you go on to bambertweets, scroll down the posts and you'll find a blog by Poppy ( who writes,phones and emails JB ) which she wrote this last August. She has done a lot for Jeremy.
Thanks lookout
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Poppy!!! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. ::) ::) ::)
So ? She has contributed a lot towards JB's cause as well as finding out what rogues some people are such as those who blatantly betrayed Jeremy.
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So ? She has contributed a lot towards JB's cause as well as finding out what rogues some people are such as those who blatantly betrayed Jeremy.
Well, as long as she keeps pouring money in, I guess she'll remain in favour. As for anything else, it's only her opinion.
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Well, as long as she keeps pouring money in, I guess she'll remain in favour. As for anything else, it's only her opinion.
Hers and hundreds of others opinions.
Why should the fact about money bother you ? Why does it all have to be about money anyway ? Loyalty is worth far more,surely. Maybe not in your world.
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Hey lookout where can I view this blog it sounds interesting
I asked this 3 hours ago! ::)
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Hers and hundreds of others opinions.
Why should the fact about money bother you ? Why does it all have to be about money anyway ? Loyalty is worth far more,surely. Maybe not in your world.
Coz loyalty wont pay Jeremy's bills, anyway, there's no point in you crowing about something we haven't seen so can you either direct us to it or show it.
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I asked this 3 hours ago! ::)
I told notsure before. ::)
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It's of no interest to guilters anyway.
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It's of no interest to guilters anyway.
That sounds like IF it exists at all, it's not in the form you'd have us believe.
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A shot in the dark: could this be Sheila's half-sister? https://youtu.be/7gxXacyYjaw
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That sounds like IF it exists at all, it's not in the form you'd have us believe.
Oh it exists alright but it wouldn't be to your taste.
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Oh it exists alright but it wouldn't be to your taste.
Sounds more like you don't want us to know what it says. Hardly shows loyalty to your cause, does it?
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Sounds more like you don't want us to know what it says. Hardly shows loyalty to your cause, does it?
For goodness sake,I told you because you laughed when I said Poppy. What's up with you ??
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For goodness sake,I told you because you laughed when I said Poppy. What's up with you ??
Don't worry about it, Lookout. You found it so it must be in the public domain. If it's in the public domain it'll be there for all to see, won't it?
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Coz loyalty wont pay Jeremy's bills, anyway, there's no point in you crowing about something we haven't seen so can you either direct us to it or show it.
It's here http://poppyannmiller.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/jeremy-bamber-cui-bono.html it's WRONG. Poppy has Sheila and Jeremy's mother mixed up! Also, Eric Jay wasn't her father, he was he grandfather! ;D ;D
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Friday 13th! :o
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It's here http://poppyannmiller.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/jeremy-bamber-cui-bono.html it's WRONG. Poppy has Sheila and Jeremy's mother mixed up! Also, Eric Jay wasn't her father, he was he grandfather! ;D ;D
Are there any other examples of five-times murderers who have confessed, then gone on to be released?
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Are there any other examples of five-times murderers who have confessed, then gone on to be released?
That's a bit specific Steve - can't think of anyone off hand
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It's here http://poppyannmiller.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/jeremy-bamber-cui-bono.html it's WRONG. Poppy has Sheila and Jeremy's mother mixed up! Also, Eric Jay wasn't her father, he was he grandfather! ;D ;D
Oh God!!! No wonder Lookout didn't want us to find it. There's no telling what heights Jeremy will scale if this was one of the offerings from loyal disciple, Poppy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Are there any other examples of five-times murderers who have confessed, then gone on to be released?
There was a guy in America that killed his family when he was a teenager. Got a shockingly short sentence then killed or attempted to kill someone 20 or so years later.
I cannot remember the name or the details. It was in a documentary series released last year.
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From someone who's pretty knowledgeable about these things ;D
I think we've just put that myth to bed ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oh God!!! No wonder Lookout didn't want us to find it. There's no telling what heights Jeremy will scale if this was one of the offerings from loyal disciple, Poppy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
She does seem at times to have inside information though: she was the source telling us Barbara Wilson and Jackie Wood had died.
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She does seem at times to have inside information though: she was the source telling us Barbara Wilson and Jackie Wood had died.
To the best of my knowledge, Steve, Barbara Wilson is still alive and well and living in Goldhanger. Can't tell you anything about Jackie Wood, though.
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She does seem at times to have inside information though: she was the source telling us Barbara Wilson and Jackie Wood had died.
But Barbara Wilson hasn't died. She has the wrong one.
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From someone who's pretty knowledgeable about these things ;D
Errrrrr I'd reevaluate that one Lookout! ;D
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There was a guy in America that killed his family when he was a teenager. Got a shockingly short sentence then killed or attempted to kill someone 20 or so years later.
I cannot remember the name or the details. It was in a documentary series released last year.
This man killed his mother and stepfather when he was 16 years old and still got a lethal injection..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Sellers
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To the best of my knowledge, Steve, Barbara Wilson is still alive and well and living in Goldhanger. Can't tell you anything about Jackie Wood, though.
Oh glad to hear.
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Errrrrr I'd reevaluate that one Lookout! ;D
For someone who prides herself on being an excellent judge of character.................I really do wonder!!!!
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God you do go on ::) ::)
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God you do go on ::) ::)
Just because an innocent supporter states something, it doesn't mean it' s correct. It's not like it's the first time she's been wrong.
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God you do go on ::) ::)
You do put some strange people on pedestals ;D ;D ;D
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Just because an innocent supporter states something, it doesn't mean it' s correct. It's not like it's the first time she's been wrong.
Nevertheless she wrote a good interesting blog.
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Nevertheless she wrote a good interesting blog.
Not much use if it's inaccurate.
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Nevertheless she wrote a good interesting blog.
Yeah, I guess if you like a rollicking good yarn, she's your woman.
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Poppy!!! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. ::) ::) ::)
Poppy gets a lot wrong, not delibareately but she appears to muddle names and dates up quite often....and what she doesn't know she turns into William Shakespeare and adds a list of story possibilities, ifs, buts and maybes to it.
Then sprinkles a bit of salt and pepper on it, and feeds it to supporters.
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Poppy gets a lot wrong, not delibareately but she appears to muddle names and dates up quite often....and what she doesn't know she turns into William Shakespeare and adds a list of story possibilities, ifs, buts and maybes to it.
Then sprinkles a bit of salt and pepper on it, and feeds it to supporters.
Who would rather take her word than ours.
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Who would rather take her word than ours.
Why,have you told Trudi and co. your version or something ?
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Why,have you told Trudi and co. your version or something ?
I can't think why I'd want to, not that I have a "version", but I DO know the difference between Sheila's relatives and Jeremy's.
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I can't think why I'd want to, not that I have a "version", but I DO know the difference between Sheila's relatives and Jeremy's.
I hope you'll know the difference when you're her age too !!
You have got a version-----no phone call ?
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I hope you'll know the difference when you're her age too !!
You have got a version-----no phone call ?
We're talking about Poppy's so called expert pronouncements regarding Jeremy and Sheila's birth families, during which she makes a massive cock up...................the telephone call -or lack of it- is on another thread. You may be getting a little tired?
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We're talking about Poppy's so called expert pronouncements regarding Jeremy and Sheila's birth families, during which she makes a massive cock up...................the telephone call -or lack of it- is on another thread. You may be getting a little tired?
No,not at all,just reminding you of the version that you have as regards there NOT having been a phone-call.
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No,not at all,just reminding you of the version that you have as regards there NOT having been a phone-call.
I don't NEED reminding that I don't believe there were ANY phone calls, other than Jeremy's to the police.
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I don't NEED reminding that I don't believe there were ANY phone calls, other than Jeremy's to the police.
Oh dear,tut tut.
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I don't NEED reminding that I don't believe there were ANY phone calls, other than Jeremy's to the police.
Don't forget about the recently discovered 999 call at 6.09am.
Was it Nevill chasing up his 3.26am call ?
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Don't forget about the recently discovered 999 call at 6.09am.
Was it Nevill chasing up his 3.26am call ?
Silly me ::) What is my brain like? ;)
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Sarcasm won't help.
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Sarcasm won't help.
Neither did the alleged phone calls.
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Neither did the alleged phone calls.
Who claimed there was a 999 call? I know that Mike did, but did anyone else?
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Who claimed there was a 999 call? I know that Mike did, but did anyone else?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8605.msg410380.html#msg410380
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8605.msg410380.html#msg410380
OK, so nobody on here then, other than Mike.
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Who claimed there was a 999 call? I know that Mike did, but did anyone else?
The people working behind the CT team and if you google bambertweets you'll see reference to the 06.09 999 call.
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OK, so nobody on here then, other than Mike.
Mike and the CT, a few others have parroted the theory over the years.
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I don't see that most things would be " parrotted " where you have the legals in tow having to watch their P's and Q's in case of a libel action,do you ?
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OK, so nobody on here then, other than Mike.
It's a band wagon one or two have jumped on and run with.
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For someone who prides herself on being an excellent judge of character.................I really do wonder!!!!
Good grief Jane do you want to make a list of all the mistakes the police have made
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Mike and the CT, a few others have parroted the theory over the years.
Well there is definitely reference to it but perhaps it’s another mistake the police made
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Good grief Jane do you want to make a list of all the mistakes the police have made
What on EARTH makes you think that I was alluding to police in my post which you quoted?
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The people working behind the CT team and if you google bambertweets you'll see reference to the 06.09 999 call.
There was no 999 call Lookout, we have seen the document that they refer to and it says nothing of the sort.
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There was no 999 call Lookout, we have seen the document that they refer to and it says nothing of the sort.
How do you know that they haven't got further proof ? They'd have to have.
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How do you know that they haven't got further proof ? They'd have to have.
Because they have referred to the same person as in the document and I don't know they haven't got something else to bolster their claim, but I'm pretty sure that if they have something, it's not proof of a 999 call.
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Jean Rowe was the operator who checked the line to the farm and said it was open and that the phone was off the hook. She said that the police asked her to connect the phone to police headquarters so they could monitor it. She said she was not allowed to engage the emergency police line, but she connected it in some other way. I don't understand how it all works, but it seems that the police were connected and then fiddled with the line themselves in order to monitor it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.msg209640.html#msg209640
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Because they have referred to the same person as in the document and I don't know they haven't got something else to bolster their claim, but I'm pretty sure that if they have something, it's not proof of a 999 call.
I think there's a person involved with the said call who's already been named ? But the name is being kept under wraps for the time being.
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I think there's a person involved with the said call who's already been named ? But the name is being kept under wraps for the time being.
It's called hope.
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It's called hope.
Nothing wrong in hoping for a release-----sooner than later.
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Nothing wrong in hoping for a release-----sooner than later.
It's already "later".
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It's already "later".
Not too late though is it ?
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Not too late though is it ?
It's never TOO late. It's guaranteed he'll come out in a box, isn't it?
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It's never TOO late. It's guaranteed he'll come out in a box, isn't it?
What a bloody awful thing to say !
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What a bloody awful thing to say !
Would you say the same if the comment had been made about Peter Sutclife?
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Would you say the same if the comment had been made about Peter Sutclife?
But we're not talking about that monster PS are we ??
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But we're not talking about that monster PS are we ??
Well, if you believe that Jeremy is guilty, he's not seen in the same light as if he were innocent, so it's not really a horrible comment, simply are reflection of his sentence.
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Well, if you believe that Jeremy is guilty, he's not seen in the same light as if he were innocent, so it's not really a horrible comment, simply are reflection of his sentence.
Well you know my own honest views on murderers because I wouldn't be happy until they were all dead,but to me this specific case is unlike any other in that so much doubt has spread about the validity of the conviction and this is why we have the forum and also the CT team who've made it public on Twitter.