Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Alias on May 28, 2011, 06:40:PM
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http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/NLPs/RWhitakerAffidavit/Schulte.PDF (http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/NLPs/RWhitakerAffidavit/Schulte.PDF)
Sheila was on Haloperidol at the time of her death.
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High haloperidol concentrations in a traffic suicide.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3385388 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3385388)
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"There also is evidence that these psychiatric drugs can cause people to become violent. A Canadian research team that studied the effects of psychiatric drugs on prisoners found that "violent, aggressive incidents occurred significantly more frequently in inmates who were on psychotropic [psychiatric or mind-altering] medication than when these inmates were not...." Inmates on major tranquilizers were shown to be more than twice as violent as they were when not taking psychiatric drugs. The researchers attributed the marked increase in violence to akathisia."
http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/drugs/dark_side_1.htm (http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/drugs/dark_side_1.htm)
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there is a certain anti depressant witch has caused people on occasions to commit murders but i don't know if it was around in those days.
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there is a certain anti depressant witch has caused people on occasions to commit murders but i don't know if it was around in those days.
I am not sure I understand what you mean?
Sheila was on haloperidol when she died. I am shocked to find very many articles online that connect haloperidol to homicide and suicide! It is massive.
"We found that haloperidol and trifluoperazine were the most preferred antipsychotic drugs, particularly being the first drugs used during treatment (haloperidol, 71.4%; trifluoperazine, 10.2%) and the last antipsychotics used before the offence (haloperidol, 46.9%; trifluoperazine, 20.4%). In 38.8% of cases, schizophrenia was present in the first-degree relatives. We also found that 69.4% of victims were one of the family members."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20152293 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20152293)
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Andrea Yates was on Haloperidol - same drug as Sheila had in her.
"Whatever possessed the 36-year-old mother to commit these unconscionable acts remains murky. Depression and postpartum syndrome topped early speculation, but there has been little discussion about the possible effects of the powerful mind-altering drugs she was taking. Although Texas District Judge Belinda Hill issued a gag order concerning the case, family members have released disturbing facts about Yates’ psychiatric treatment that specialists say may account for her state of mind at the time of the murders.
During a two-year period, Yates was prescribed four extremely potent mind-altering drugs intended to help her through two episodes of severe depression that began after the birth of her fourth child. The first of these psychopharmacological cocktails included Haldol, an antipsychotic most often used to treat schizophrenia;"
http://www.whale.to/drugs/haldol2.html (http://www.whale.to/drugs/haldol2.html)
"Breggin continues: “Haldol is a very blunting drug. It’s difficult to come to any definitive conclusions with so little data about her state of mind at the time. However, Haldol is a drug that produces what can only be referred to as a chemical lobotomy that tends to make a person more docile and robotic.” "
" As Vickery puts it, “Look, if I give you a loaded gun and for whatever reason it’s likely that you’re going to shoot someone, then I’m an accessory before the fact of murder. Shouldn’t the drug company that’s encouraging doctors to prescribe a drug and is aware that these drugs cause adverse reactions be held responsible? No one can believe that a mother would do such a thing. It’s too horrible. But the fact is these people get completely out of touch with reality because of these drugs. Unfortunately, in most of the cases that I get involved with, we never know if the people committing the violence knew what they were doing when they did it because they also killed themselves.” "
This article is very interesting, I think.
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I've always found it difficult to accept the likelihood that Jeremy Bamber 'set his sister up'.
Jeremy Bamber, in the mid 1980's, is unlikely to have known that there was any link with Halperidol and suicide / homicide.
In the mid 1980's, what was the general public's awareness of infanticide, suicide and homicide linked to mothers facing a perceived threat of losing parental responsibility for their children? I dont think it would have been a widely known phenomena at that time. Since that time, possibly yes. But at that time, no.
I've always felt that for Jeremy Bamber to have 'set his sister up' by way of playing upon the threat of her mental health, he would need to have possesed knowlege akin to that of a pioneering mental health professor. That's hardly likely is it?
However, he may have witnessed some of Sheila's 'violent' outbursts.
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I've always found it difficult to accept the likelihood that Jeremy Bamber 'set his sister up'.
Jeremy Bamber, in the mid 1980's, is unlikely to have known that there was any link with Halperidol and suicide / homicide.
In the mid 1980's, what was the general public's awareness of infanticide, suicide and homicide linked to mothers facing a perceived threat of losing parental responsibility for their children? I dont think it would have been a widely known phenomena at that time. Since that time, possibly yes. But at that time, no.
I've always felt that for Jeremy Bamber to have 'set his sister up' by way of playing upon the threat of her mental health, he would need to have possesed knowlege akin to that of a pioneering mental health professor. That's hardly likely is it?
However, he may have witnessed some of Sheila's 'violent' outbursts.
Jeremy seems to me to have been slightly irritated by Sheila´s illness. I don´t think he took it seriously - or even knew how serious it was! He basically ignored it, and in that sense, what you say is reasonlable.
However, he did refer to her as "a nutter" to the police when they were outside the farm.
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I can´t get over that Andrea Yates and Sheila Caffell were on the same drug!
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I can´t get over that Andrea Yates and Sheila Caffell were on the same drug!
Me neither. Well done for finding this, abs. +1
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I can´t get over that Andrea Yates and Sheila Caffell were on the same drug!
Me neither. Well done for finding this, abs. +1
Thank you, chocho. :-) one back.
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I've always found it difficult to accept the likelihood that Jeremy Bamber 'set his sister up'.
Jeremy Bamber, in the mid 1980's, is unlikely to have known that there was any link with Halperidol and suicide / homicide.
In the mid 1980's, what was the general public's awareness of infanticide, suicide and homicide linked to mothers facing a perceived threat of losing parental responsibility for their children? I dont think it would have been a widely known phenomena at that time. Since that time, possibly yes. But at that time, no.
I've always felt that for Jeremy Bamber to have 'set his sister up' by way of playing upon the threat of her mental health, he would need to have possesed knowlege akin to that of a pioneering mental health professor. That's hardly likely is it?
However, he may have witnessed some of Sheila's 'violent' outbursts.
Jeremy seems to me to have been slightly irritated by Sheila´s illness. I don´t think he took it seriously - or even knew how serious it was! He basically ignored it, and in that sense, what you say is reasonlable.
However, he did refer to her as "a nutter" to the police when they were outside the farm.
I think Jeremy's lack of understanding and ambivalent attitude towards Sheila's illness was symptomatic of the 80s and a also a reflection of how young he was at that time. The 80s may have been just a quarter of a century ago, but it was a different world.
In the 80s, mentally ill people were routinely feared and stigmatised as 'nutters' on the one the one hand and yet their needs were also largely ignored. They were discharged into the community under the so called community care scheme which was seriously under-funded and which really amounted to little or no care or support. The whole issue of mental illness was viewed as something shameful, or even scandalous, something to be covered up. That may have been one reason why Nevill and June appear to have been in denial of the extent of Sheila's illness.
These days mentally ill people have specific rights and are treated with greater respect. Mental illness is now much more out in the open - and about time too. However, mental health has always been the 'poor boy' of the health service.
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Some more material on this: http://www.rense.com/general11/an.htm (http://www.rense.com/general11/an.htm)
"Hi Jeff,
I have been so busy doing interviews on this Houston case that someone had to send me your post on it for me to know about it. I thought you should know that Haldol is not an antidepressant as the article on your site states. It is known as an anti-psychotic drug - something you need AFTER the antidepressants produce the psychotic break!
The drugs Andrea Yates was switched to just on Monday was Effexor and Remeron - both antidepressants. They may have been giving her the Haldol with the antidepressants, but it obviously could not overcome the strong effect of two drugs together producing psychosis.
I always wonder how many children must seal my testimony about the dangers of these drugs with their own blood before the world opens its eyes. I have found that 90% of those moms who do this are on these meds.
Dr. Tracy "
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Its scary what drugs can do to the human brain (even prescribed ones) i was given Anti depressants last year and for the first few weeks of taking them i was so paranoid that i thought my husband would do something to me in night so i wouldnt sleep!!
Quickly came off them!
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Its scary what drugs can do to the human brain (even prescribed ones) i was given Anti depressants last year and for the first few weeks of taking them i was so paranoid that i thought my husband would do something to me in night so i wouldnt sleep!!
Quickly came off them!
I suppose these drugs must help some people or they would not continue to be presceribed, but I have yet to meet anyone who has actually been helped by them.
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.
And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) that 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Its scary what drugs can do to the human brain (even prescribed ones) i was given Anti depressants last year and for the first few weeks of taking them i was so paranoid that i thought my husband would do something to me in night so i wouldnt sleep!!
Quickly came off them!
I have heard about others who had your experience. It is simply frightening!
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Its scary what drugs can do to the human brain (even prescribed ones) i was given Anti depressants last year and for the first few weeks of taking them i was so paranoid that i thought my husband would do something to me in night so i wouldnt sleep!!
Quickly came off them!
I suppose these drugs must help some people or they would not continue to be presceribed, but I have yet to meet anyone who has actually been helped by them.
I tried two different kinds, one was Prozac based and made me feel awful ~(thats the one that made me paranoid) then a few months later tried a different type, i have to say i felt much more settled on this one but was almost zombie like, no emotion at all! even my voice changed!
Now i just prefer to take it one day at a time and not take anything.
I have only suffered mildly with depression though its not severe, i suppose some people cant manage without medication
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ive had every anti depressant going i think !! i was on a tablet called mirtazipine that gave me horrible nightmares, in the nightmares there was a presence at my bedroom door i couldnt see it but felt it, then suddenly i would levitate and float around the bedroom, and the presence would be controlling me. really scarey nightmares i wouldnt go back to sleep so the shrink took me off them. never had the dreams after that.
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Christ, Andy, that must have been hideous. I was on seroxat for a while, for anxiety etc., and it made me gnash my teeth and throw one arm up, at inconvenient moments. I looked like an angry Hitler.
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.
And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) hat 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!
Perhaps Jeremy's defence team should get some advice on the possible effects of the reduction of Sheila's medication, if they have't already done so.
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heil hitler ;) bad news the anti depressants. anyone heard of restless legs syndrome?
i was on amitriptilyne and i had restless arms aswell it was awful, couldnt keep my arms or legs still.
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heil hitler ;) bad news the anti depressants. anyone heard of restless legs syndrome?
i was on amitriptilyne and i had restless arms aswell it was awful, couldnt keep my arms or legs still.
Yes I've had that happen. I tried to go for a long walk but it still persisted.
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Poor you, Andy. I know where you're coming from. And Choch, could Sheila's medication have slowed down her digestion?
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And I've got to say this - it's so brilliant to have a discussion without being smited every 5 minutes.
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And I've got to say this - it's so brilliant to have a discussion without being smited every 5 minutes.
agreed ;) think it was john that was crapping me
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What a complex character he was. Was he John Lamberton, with many fingers in many pies?
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i googled him and found something about fiddling money or wills etc, anyway i got bored reading it and searched something else
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Shona you lot have just made me fall about laughing I feel quite normal now ive never tried any drugs or been depressed xxx
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Hoorah!! Hallo, lovely Jack!! What do you think of my third party theory?
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Shona
The only third party theory I have in mind is Peter Eaton because of the money trouble the family was in and we are talking about 2 or 3 million pounds they inherited because of Jeremy conviction.
Shona did you see who the character witnesses were for and against Jeremy because the once against Jeremy were not really impartial and as for JB s and Sheilas relationship her friend Freddie testified for Jeremy
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Shona I meant to say what did you think of Abs posts about the drugs Sheila was on because I know one of the biggest things you have that JB is guilty you dont believe Sheila would kill the children
I only know about mothers who kill there children (diminished responsibility) because there seems to be so much about it in the press recently
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I don't think that Freddie would be a credible witness, Jack. It's easy to be wise after the event. Where is he now? Why doesn't he come forward? He must still be out there, somewhere. If someone was seen, running away from the farm on the night, as has been stated tonight, then I rest my case. Someone was paid to decimate the family. And, sorry, Jack, but JM was right all along.
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My question about Sheila's medication is could it have slowed down her digestion?
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Shona you didnt reply on the point about Sheila you steadfastly believed Sheila wouldnt kill her children what do you think now?
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Shona I am off to bed now but the other thing you mentioned Freddy I dont even know if they need him back as he has already given evidence in Jeremys defence and you didnt mention the housekeeper of over 20 years and other reliable witnesses. I have tried and found not a single piece of evidence to show Jeremy either disliked or hated his parents. Which people do you believe who gave evidence at JB s trial?
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Schizophrenics are far more likely to kill members of their family than normal non schizophrenic people ...being female and a mother of some of the victims has no real bearing on the likelyhood of Sheila killing them.
Blind belief in mothers not being able to kill their own children is naive and of no use to any discussion.
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I don't think that Freddie would be a credible witness, Jack. It's easy to be wise after the event. Where is he now? Why doesn't he come forward? He must still be out there, somewhere. If someone was seen, running away from the farm on the night, as has been stated tonight, then I rest my case. Someone was paid to decimate the family. And, sorry, Jack, but JM was right all along.
There is the same amount of credible evidence pointing towards a hitman as there is pointing to Jeremy... ie. None
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I've just seen a disturbing incident on Fake Britain by Dominic Littlewood. Apparently this girl bought some weight loss pills on the internet. Unknown to her they contained a Chinese herb (the name of which escapes me I'm afraid) which has been banned in many European countries including england. This drug caused mental disturbances in this girl and she became irritable and short tempered. Also paranoid and thought people were spying on her. She ended up in a mental hospital because in her words she completely lost it.
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.
And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) hat 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!
Perhaps Jeremy's defence team should get some advice on the possible effects of the reduction of Sheila's medication, if they have't already done so.
Maybe they should. I don´t know if this has been looked into at all. It doesn´t prove anything per se, but I have to say that when I googled the drug Sheila was on and the first thing I see is: "Homicide and Suicide Associtaed With HALOPERIDOL", I was startled. And even more so when I found that Andrea Yates, who killed her five children, was on withdrawal from Haloperidol at the time she did it, I was even more startled!
Hadn´t Sheila´s dosage been reduced quite a bit prior to the murders? I don´t know the details about that, but from the articles I have read on this subject, I can see that it is not only under withdrawal from the drug that people become suicidal and/or violent, so it is a highly dangerous drug in any case.
Here we have a case of five people dead and a person in the house on this dangerous drug, which is proven to have those effects. It does sound some alarms, doesn´t it?!
How can you communicate this to Jeremy Bamber´s legal team?
Haloperidol Withdrawal
Haloperidol is also known as Haldol and can cause one of the worst withdrawal processes known to man. Haloperidol is a prescription medication approved to treat psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, Tourettes syndrome, and behavior disorders. As with most medications for mental illness, stopping haloperidol “cold turkey” is not recommended.
The best approach to withdrawing from haloperidol is to wean yourself gradually from the drug. Haloperidol withdrawal is brutal and can make you feel like a prisoner in your own mind and body. On the surface, the notion of prescribing someone an anti-psychotic medication like haloperidol, is supposed to make people calm and quiet. But the reality is that you can become horrifically violent. Withdrawal effects from haloperidol are severe and it takes intense medical supervision to ensure the person safely detoxifies. Whatever the motivation, you have a right to free yourself from using haloperidol. If you want to safely withdraw from haloperidol, it is helpful to have the support of a sympathetic doctor. The best way to safely withdraw from haloperidol is to have the active involvement of a doctor or prescription medication withdrawal specialist who can guide and monitor your progress.
Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol. Haloperidol withdrawal symptoms also include breathing problems, tightening of the muscles, dry mouth, loss of control of your tongue, blurry vision, and pacing back and forth. A treatment center or hospital is the right setting for withdrawing from haloperidol.
The best way to prevent haloperidol withdrawals is to reduce the dosage gradually. The first week, you reduce your dosage by ten percent. Try that for the first week, and then see how you are doing. If you feel OK, reduce the dosage by another 10 percent. Try that for a week, and see if you feel OK. If you reach a point where you don't feel OK, don't reduce your dosage by another 10 percent; stay at the same reduced level for another week or until you do feel fine. Then reduce by another 10 percent and continue with the process. Remember, psychiatric drugs like haloperidol should never be stopped abruptly! The more slowly you can withdraw, the less severe effects you will suffer; don't try to stop taking haloperidol without support.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
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And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."
Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.
Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.
And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) hat 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!
Perhaps Jeremy's defence team should get some advice on the possible effects of the reduction of Sheila's medication, if they have't already done so.
Maybe they should. I don´t know if this has been looked into at all. It doesn´t prove anything per se, but I have to say that when I googled the drug Sheila was on and the first thing I see is: "Homicide and Suicide Associtaed With HALOPERIDOL", I was startled. And even more so when I found that Andrea Yates, who killed her five children, was on withdrawal from Haloperidol at the time she did it, I was even more startled!
Hadn´t Sheila´s dosage been reduced quite a bit prior to the murders? I don´t know the details about that, but from the articles I have read on this subject, I can see that it is not only under withdrawal from the drug that people become suicidal and/or violent, so it is a highly dangerous drug in any case.
Here we have a case of five people dead and a person in the house on this dangerous drug, which is proven to have those effects. It does sound some alarms, doesn´t it?!
How can you communicate this to Jeremy Bamber´s legal team?
Haloperidol Withdrawal
Haloperidol is also known as Haldol and can cause one of the worst withdrawal processes known to man. Haloperidol is a prescription medication approved to treat psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, Tourettes syndrome, and behavior disorders. As with most medications for mental illness, stopping haloperidol “cold turkey” is not recommended.
The best approach to withdrawing from haloperidol is to wean yourself gradually from the drug. Haloperidol withdrawal is brutal and can make you feel like a prisoner in your own mind and body. On the surface, the notion of prescribing someone an anti-psychotic medication like haloperidol, is supposed to make people calm and quiet. But the reality is that you can become horrifically violent. Withdrawal effects from haloperidol are severe and it takes intense medical supervision to ensure the person safely detoxifies. Whatever the motivation, you have a right to free yourself from using haloperidol. If you want to safely withdraw from haloperidol, it is helpful to have the support of a sympathetic doctor. The best way to safely withdraw from haloperidol is to have the active involvement of a doctor or prescription medication withdrawal specialist who can guide and monitor your progress.
Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior. The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol. Haloperidol withdrawal symptoms also include breathing problems, tightening of the muscles, dry mouth, loss of control of your tongue, blurry vision, and pacing back and forth. A treatment center or hospital is the right setting for withdrawing from haloperidol.
The best way to prevent haloperidol withdrawals is to reduce the dosage gradually. The first week, you reduce your dosage by ten percent. Try that for the first week, and then see how you are doing. If you feel OK, reduce the dosage by another 10 percent. Try that for a week, and see if you feel OK. If you reach a point where you don't feel OK, don't reduce your dosage by another 10 percent; stay at the same reduced level for another week or until you do feel fine. Then reduce by another 10 percent and continue with the process. Remember, psychiatric drugs like haloperidol should never be stopped abruptly! The more slowly you can withdraw, the less severe effects you will suffer; don't try to stop taking haloperidol without support.
http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol (http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol)
This is staggering, to me anyway. It's really added to the forum abs. Thank you for educating me.
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Thanks Rochford Shields!
I have a question about Sheila: did she smoke cigarettes? I know she smoked cannabis, but I don´t know how often.
I found this on Haloperidol and smoking:
"Cigarette smoke contains over 3000 different chemicals. Some of these chemicals can make some of the enzymes in the liver work faster (called "enzyme induction" of e.g. CYP1A2 or P4501A2). This means that any medicine those enzymes break down will be broken down quicker. So, you'll end up with less of that medicine if you smoke. And also you will have more of it in the body if you stop smoking.
Haloperidol or benperidol are those medicines. The amount of haloperidol in the body can drop by up to a quarter (25%) if you smoke, giving less effect or meaning you might need a higher dose to get the same effect. It also means that if you stop smoking, the levels will rise so you might get more side effects. "
And about cannabis:
"Cannabis (illegal in most countries):
Smoking cannabis increases the amount to dopamine in the pleasure centres of the brain, which is where the reward or buzz comes from. However, psychosis also comes from having too much dopamine, in another area of the brain. You have to remember that smoking cannabis can also increase dopamine in other areas of the brain, so can make psychosis worse. Please be careful, everything in moderation and if dope makes you worse, keep off the grass. It really won't help you in the long-term. Don't forget that if you're a toker, you're also a smoker, so see the question above. However, there are no extra problems with smoking cannabis, other than the smoking itself (see above). But, it might make you feel a bit more drowsy and may have more dry mouth, blurred vision and finding it hard to pass water (wee). Also, don't forget that cannabis can make psychotic symptoms worse."
So if Sheila smoked, it would decrease the amount of Haloperidol in her system and thus make her withdrawal symptoms even graver.
http://www.choiceandmedication.org/norfolk-and-waveney/medications/56/ (http://www.choiceandmedication.org/norfolk-and-waveney/medications/56/)
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Well, this is all basically covered at the jeremybamber.org campaign site. They just don't have the interesting little detail that Andrea Yates was on the same medication (in withdrawal) - and that 90% of all mothers who kill their children are on mind altering drugs.
http://jeremybamber.org/SchizophreniaandCannabis.aspx (http://jeremybamber.org/SchizophreniaandCannabis.aspx)
They put an emphasis on the Schizophrenia and Cannabis - I think the withdrawal from Haldol quite abruptly is equally or more significant. Sheila's dosage was halved just like that (Andrea Yates´ was cut off, cold turkey-style), which is EXTREMELY dangerous. The dosage should be reduced very gradually and under strict supervision from a doctor, preferably in a hospital setting.
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Mike Tesko has been there. I think I made a difference finding out that Andrea Yates was on EXACTLY the same medictation as Sheila. AND that 90% of mothers who kill their children are MEDICATED.
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95% actually. It is about the medicine when mothers kill their kids. No mother would DO that. Only bad medicine.
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probably no leave unturned. What a friend! Mike Tesko deserves a clap from everyoneI saw that, as long as I have a shadow. As long a I have a shadow I will fight for you.
I wish I had a friend like that.
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probably no leave unturned. What a friend! Mike Tesko deserves a clap from everyoneI saw that, as long as I have a shadow. As long a I have a shadow I will fight for you.
I wish I had a friend like that.
Hi abs,
You've done some excellent work on the effects of Haldol and withdrawal from it. Well done! As you rightly say, the effects and withdrawal effects of this drug are very worrying. I would think that prescription of Haldol 25 years ago was on a less sophisticated basis than it is today. I wonder if the problems associated with Haldol and its withdrawal were ever mentioned during the trial?
I haven't seen the post which states "as long as I have a shadow", can I ask you where that is?
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In actual fact some of the drugs they use to subdue some of the mentally ill are so strong that they could cause mental illness themselves or make a condition worse. Unfortunately they still do not know much about the human mind to be able to treat it effectively. Much of what they prescribe is experimental. It hasn't been long since they ceased using electric shock treatment. This method was used on mental patients for many years and has damaged many people. They often said things like "It seems to work, but we don't know why". The truth is it didn't work and many people were put in mental hospitals with their nervous systems shattered.
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probably no leave unturned. What a friend! Mike Tesko deserves a clap from everyoneI saw that, as long as I have a shadow. As long a I have a shadow I will fight for you.
I wish I had a friend like that.
Hi abs,
You've done some excellent work on the effects of Haldol and withdrawal from it. Well done! As you rightly say, the effects and withdrawal effects of this drug are very worrying. I would think that prescription of Haldol 25 years ago was on a less sophisticated basis than it is today. I wonder if the problems associated with Haldol and its withdrawal were ever mentioned during the trial?
I haven't seen the post which states "as long as I have a shadow", can I ask you where that is?
It is in the Jeremy Bamber section at Sleuthingforjustice.
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
Well, it was a T.U.B.E. my sister got from that doctor. They should be reported for sexual assault!
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
Well, it was a T.U.B.E. my sister got from that doctor. They should be reported for sexual assault!
Damn right!!
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
I've not heard of TUBE but I know Doctors do have lots of codes they use amongst themselves. For example, if you find you have "NFT" written on your chart, they intend to let you die!
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
I am so sorry to hear about your sister, abs, what a sad and dreadful thing to happen. I agree with you about the medical profession, a series of doctors once refused to accept that I was ill until I collapsed and had to be admitted to hospital with severe pneumonia. I have little trust in doctors as a result
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
I've not heard of TUBE but I know Doctors do have lots of codes they use amongst themselves. For example, if you find you have "NFT" written on your chart, they intend to let you die!
Please enlighten us (me) :)
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i had a tube, i was only 17 and carrying my first child, the dr told me to strip naked, being young and naive i did, he examined me then i went home and thought nothing of it until a few yrs ago i heard it on the news he had been struck off for assaulting (sexually) his patients for yrs.
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some bastard just smited me again >:( im going start to write a list of posters and non posters see if i can figure out who it is.
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I'm really fed up with it, too. I try not to be bovvered, but it's bloody annoying. Can't it be turned off?
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i hope it can be switched off, what the hell have i said thats offensive?
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I suppose some absolute end is reading these and cracking up.
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Have you ever kissed a girl? I don't mean your mother.
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Have you ever kissed a girl? I don't mean your mother.
who me?
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
I've not heard of TUBE but I know Doctors do have lots of codes they use amongst themselves. For example, if you find you have "NFT" written on your chart, they intend to let you die!
Please enlighten us (me) :)
It stands for "Not for Twos". 222 is the traditional internal number for the emergency crash team, so if you're NFT it means they won't call the crash team if you have an arrest or seizure. To be fair it's done to alleviate further suffering for people who are already close to death, so a rather different intent than the disgraceful TUBE acronym mentioned above.
The most famous one, which many of you probably already know, is NFN, or "Normal For Norfolk" - used in a patient's notes to indicate to other doctors that they're a sandwich short of the full picnic, so-to-speak. I think it's fallen out of use now though as it became too well known.
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I suppose some absolute end is reading these and cracking up.
Yep A - they're almost certainly reacting to your posts about smites and amusing themselves stupid with their many fake IDs. Have a +1 to regress the balance.
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No, Andy, not you!!! Although I bet there are quite a few posters on here who would pay good money to watch!!
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Thanks, bob! :-* :-*
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we use DNR do not recussitate .i cant spell resuscitate either
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I read this earlier today and I know this is not referring to same condition as Sheila, but I wonder if the locum doctor who halved Sheila's dosage was maybe 'swayed' by Sheila's looks? Just me speculating...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394645/My-daughter-pretty-took-depression-seriously-Then-hanged-hospital-ward.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That could very well be the case. It happens all the time, and not only in connection with mental illness. My own, very beautiful sister was a victim of that. She kept going to doctors complaining about stomach problems, kept getting sent home without even and examination of ANYTHING. This went on for years and finally she was sent to some examinations at a hospital. What happened there? A doctor made quite a direct PASS at her, she went home.
She got worse, and FINALLY she was diagnozed with a terrible cancer. She did receive monetary compensation from the state - but we lost her. She died.
And this is by far not the only example of this I know about! It is SO common. Beware of those docs. Most of them are no good!
That is terrible about your sister, Abs.
I know about 'passes' by doctors. When I was 18 in hospital, I apparently had a 'T.U.B.E.' ie a 'Totally Unnecessary Breast Examination'. That is how doctors themselves refer to it! I found this out a few years ago when I briefly dated a doctor and told him about it. I was so naive at the time but bewildered by it, which is why I mentioned this to my friend. So they are aware it goes on. Picking on the vulnerable as per usual.
I've not heard of TUBE but I know Doctors do have lots of codes they use amongst themselves. For example, if you find you have "NFT" written on your chart, they intend to let you die!
Please enlighten us (me) :)
It stands for "Not for Twos". 222 is the traditional internal number for the emergency crash team, so if you're NFT it means they won't call the crash team if you have an arrest or seizure. To be fair it's done to alleviate further suffering for people who are already close to death, so a rather different intent than the disgraceful TUBE acronym mentioned above.
The most famous one, which many of you probably already know, is NFN, or "Normal For Norfolk" - used in a patient's notes to indicate to other doctors that they're a sandwich short of the full picnic, so-to-speak. I think it's fallen out of use now though as it became too well known.
Well that would account for horseydave! ;D
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some bastard just smited me again >:( im going start to write a list of posters and non posters see if i can figure out who it is.
There's a regular "hidden" poster hanging around. Hasn't even got the guts to log in properly any more.
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coward >:(
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I've just noticed - every time I get a smite, my tits grow!! Woop woop!!
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woo hoo shona ;D they will match the hubbys soon ;)
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coward >:(
Can you imagine how pitiful his life must be that he's willing to spend his entire evening waiting to press the smite button on different profiles once an hour?
I guess he must be impotent too, as he seems to be the sort of bloke that would normally spend his evenings on left-handed websites.
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Bra share!!
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coward >:(
Can you imagine how pitiful his life must be that he's willing to spend his entire evening waiting to press the smite button on different profiles once an hour?
I guess he must be impotent too, as he seems to be the sort of bloke that would normally spend his evenings on left-handed websites.
haha true, sad little looser. +1 bob
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coward >:(
I second that! Now watch my smites grow to 200...
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coward >:(
I second that! Now watch my smites grow to 200...
sod em keira, if they havent got the guts to post then theyre not worth our time talking about it :)
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coward >:(
I second that! Now watch my smites grow to 200...
sod em keira, if they havent got the guts to post then theyre not worth our time talking about it :)
+1 andrea ;D
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......can't get out of bed...............gasp...............tits too big..................