Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: mike tesko on September 05, 2017, 05:17:PM
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(1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfS5bvb6Yk
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(1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfS5bvb6Yk
There is a growing body of evidence that the Earth is flat, rather than round!
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(2) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyAh9OENJPU
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(3) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7h78cR-rGM
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(http://www.whale.to/a/13271_1145796812113309_8079385559108134732_n.jpg)
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Someone should inform the astronauts on the ISS because they think they are orbiting around it. :o
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It's definitely round :o
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mikes in full wind up mode tonight.
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(http://www.whale.to/a/13271_1145796812113309_8079385559108134732_n.jpg)
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The drop would be just short of 67 feet over that distance, David. Whoever wrote that obviously skipped a few Maths lessons ???
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The drop would be just short of 67 feet over that distance, David. Whoever wrote that obviously skipped a few Maths lessons ???
I posted it for a joke. I assume Mike started this thread as joke also. If not I'm sure they would welcome him at https://www.tfes.org/ (https://www.tfes.org/) ;D
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I posted it for a joke. I assume Mike started this thread as joke also. If not I'm sure they would welcome him at https://www.tfes.org/ (https://www.tfes.org/) ;D
Thanks David, considering becoming a Flat Earther!! ::)
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Thanks David, considering becoming a Flat Earther!! ::)
Don't know about becoming a "Flat Earther", the forum looks feels like it's becoming a FLAT LINER!!! :( :( :(
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Don't know about becoming a "Flat Earther", the forum looks feels like it's becoming a FLAT LINER!!! :( :( :(
I will post some interesting developments on the scratches under the mantelpiece. Hopefully today.
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It's definitely round :o
It definitely is gringo.
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I will post some interesting developments on the scratches under the mantelpiece. Hopefully today.
That should lift the boredom a bit.
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;DThanks David, considering becoming a Flat Earther!! ::)
Hahaha Maggie on the road into Inverness a large board which had been used for advertising local football matches now some bright spark has written the Earth is Flat in big green painted letters hehehe David have you been North lately :))
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I will post some interesting developments on the scratches under the mantelpiece. Hopefully today.
Is that from one of the 6 letters Bamber has sent you ?
This & the other 12 things Trudie mentioned in the podcast are not being hidden to 'give the crown more time to prepare' then.
Sloppy work by EP. Keeping crime scene pictures of an unscratched aga. Did waste paper bins not exist in 1985 ? . It was either the police's idea to scratch the aga, or they agreed to assist the relatives. Either way, they have had 32 years to dispose of crime scene pictures.
Anyway, look forward to the developments.
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Is that from one of the 6 letters Bamber has sent you ?
This & the other 12 things Trudie mentioned in the podcast are not being hidden to 'give the crown more time to prepare' then.
Sloppy work by EP. Keeping crime scene pictures of an unscratched aga. Did waste paper bins not exist in 1985 ? . It was either the police's idea to scratch the aga, or they agreed to assist the relatives. Either way, they have had 32 years to dispose of crime scene pictures.
Anyway, look forward to the developments.
No, it is actually going to be a list of weak or false arguments so long nobody bothers to vet it just as intended. And if someone does refute the list I will just post it over and over again until they get fed up.
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No, it is actually going to be a list of weak or false arguments so long nobody bothers to vet it just as intended. And if someone does refute the list I will just post it over and over again until they get fed up.
So it's not from one of Bamber's 6 letters to you ?
Where is you're source from ? Surely not from Trudie's podcast. That's already been out for days.
Anyway, I look forward to the aga scratch developments & sources.
Do you believe the police scratched the aga & asked the relatives to lie in their WS's. Or the relatives scratched the aga & asked the police to hide any counter photographs ?
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That should lift the boredom a bit.
Even though I must be the only one who believes that the scratches had been made during the night of the struggle.
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Hopefully the developments will be revealed today.
There has been enough disappointment with 5 posters not able to reveal their new information & the proposed 3D reconstruction of the kitchen fight not materialising.
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I will post some interesting developments on the scratches under the mantelpiece. Hopefully today.
Are these official developments or something you have put together?
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3D diagrams ?
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Are these official developments or something you have put together?
How do you define "official development"?
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How do you define "official development"?
Something uncovered by a qualified personage that has been put to the test and has pushed the case forward. I take it from the above, that this is something you have come up with? If so, it's not a development, it's an idea you are exploring.
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Something uncovered by a qualified personage that has been put to the test and has pushed the case forward. I take it from the above, that this is something you have come up with? If so, it's not a development, it's an idea you are exploring.
It is an idea I am exploring. But considering that an amateur who no qualifications in cryptology cracked the Zodiac Killer's code. An amateur with no qualifications in astronomy or celestial mechanics discovered planet. Your definition is ill-founded.
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It is an idea I am exploring. But considering that an amateur who no qualifications in cryptology cracked the Zodiac Killer's code. An amateur with no qualifications in astronomy or celestial mechanics discovered planet. Your definition is ill-founded.
Not really because an amateur DID crack the code and DID discover a planet, these things have obviously been verified. Your idea (I presume) had NOT so ....... it's NOT YET (and may never be) a 'development'. It's an idea - if you play things up, it just leaves you open to criticism, believe it or not, I'm not actually having a go.
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It's definitely round :o
It may look round, but the sun visibly goes round the earth (much like the moon), doesn't it?
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It's a planet so it's round.
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That's a good answer, and one I wouldn't dispute. It seems that gravity causes planet formation and causes them to be approximately spherical, though with slight flattening if they're spinning.
However, it raises an interesting question: how come some galaxies are round whilst others, including our own, are distinctly flattened?
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That's a good answer, and one I wouldn't dispute. It seems that gravity causes planet formation and causes them to be approximately spherical, though with slight flattening if they're spinning.
However, it raises an interesting question: how come some galaxies are round whilst others, including our own, are distinctly flattened?
Maybe they don't spin, or spin at a lower velocity? :-\
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Maybe they don't spin, or spin at a lower velocity? :-\
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/25950/why-are-some-galaxies-flat
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The drop would be just short of 67 feet over that distance
How did you calculate that? It seems far too small.
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How did you calculate that? It seems far too small.
Hi, Reader, in a nutshell, the earth curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. This is not disputed as it is based on proven mathematic knowledge. If you are interested here is a link to the formula but a quick search will find you many more links and evidence.
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/qq/database/qq.09.97/dyck2.html
The calculation shown in the picture is nonsense and is presented without explanation. Quite why we are expected to believe that squaring a distance given in miles, then inexplicably dividing it by 8/12 and then converting the answer from miles to feet would somehow give the answer is not explained.
As an aside no equation would ever have 8/12 as a number because it would always be written as 2/3, it's most simplified form. Whoever did the calculation doesn't understand the maths correctly.
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We'll soon know! ::)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/mad-mike-hughes-eyes-monday-for-homemade-rocket-launch/9205208
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We'll soon know! ::)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/mad-mike-hughes-eyes-monday-for-homemade-rocket-launch/9205208
There looks room for another in there Caroline, I wonder who could join him ;D ;D ;D
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Is the earth flat or round ? Depends how drunk you are.
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. . . in a nutshell, the earth curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. This is not disputed . . .
Although the drop is about 8 inches for each mile considered individually, the cumulative drop over a longer distance is not found correctly by multiplying the number of miles by 8 inches.
Using the (nested) linked method for distances considerably larger than a mile, 3963 miles for the radius of the earth (including the height of the bridge) and 51.2 miles for half the length of the bridge, the drop is 3963 miles less than the square root of (3963^2 + 51.2^2) miles (where "^2" means "squared"). Using a calculator, this gives 0.331 miles. This means that observers at an altitude of 0.331 miles at each end of the bridge can only just see each other (ignoring any lensing effect of the atmosphere) across the midpoint of the bridge if the bridge follows the curvature of the earth.
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Is the earth flat or round ? Depends how drunk you are.
Oh, no, it doesn't...
I have been doing extensive research into this matter, and I am now not 100% sure that the earth is a flat earth!
It might depend on what is meant by 'flat earth'...
The surface of the earth is not obviously entirely flat...
I beleive that the earth is somewhat flat, but also, or alternatively concaved, and that there is a dome above the surface of the earth! We have been deceived by those who I shall refer to as the 'fallen angels', they have lied to and deceived the public at large regarding this issue - I don't beleive there are any satellites, the Americans did not go to the moon, its all bunkum!!
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Oh, no, it doesn't...
I have been doing extensive research into this matter, and I am now not 100% sure that the earth is a flat earth!
It might depend on what is meant by 'flat earth'...
The surface of the earth is not obviously entirely flat...
I beleive that the earth is somewhat flat, but also, or alternatively concaved, and that there is a dome above the surface of the earth! We have been deceived by those who I shall refer to as the 'fallen angels', they have lied to and deceived the public at large regarding this issue - I don't beleive there are any satellites, the Americans did not go to the moon, its all bunkum!!
https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/index.cfm
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Perhaps you would like to discuss your theory with these nu ........ I mean enthusiasts :o
https://www.tfes.org/
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Perhaps you would like to discuss your theory with these nu ........ I mean enthusiasts :o
https://www.tfes.org/
You obviously are not taking this subject seriously enough...
Please explain to me in plain and simple english then, how the sun and the moon have been captured on film with clouds both in front and behind them?
Laugh, and scorn all you like, all this does is prove to me that there are many people who are being hoodwinked by these morons who think of themselves as the elite, the new world order, or whatever it is you want to refer to them by or as? The Illuminati, fallen angels, ponces, scumbags, and everything that could be dishonest in the human race...
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How can cloud formations have been captured on film footage being in front of, and behind the sun and the moon, if these planets are so far way?
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How can cloud formations have been captured on film footage being in front of, and behind the sun and the moon, if these planets are so far way?
The so called 'elite' have brainwashed the vast majority of the general public, they don't want the public knowing the truth...
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You obviously are not taking this subject seriously enough...
Please explain to me in plain and simple english then, how the sun and the moon have been captured on film with clouds both in front and behind them?
Laugh, and scorn all you like, all this does is prove to me that there are many people who are being hoodwinked by these morons who think of themselves as the elite, the new world order, or whatever it is you want to refer to them by or as? The Illuminati, fallen angels, ponces, scumbags, and everything that could be dishonest in the human race...
No, you're wrong, I don't take it seriously AT ALL! AND I am certainly NOT a member of the elite but I have studied and practiced navigation which wouldn't work if the earth was flat!
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You obviously are not taking this subject seriously enough...
Please explain to me in plain and simple english then, how the sun and the moon have been captured on film with clouds both in front and behind them?
Laugh, and scorn all you like, all this does is prove to me that there are many people who are being hoodwinked by these morons who think of themselves as the elite, the new world order, or whatever it is you want to refer to them by or as? The Illuminati, fallen angels, ponces, scumbags, and everything that could be dishonest in the human race...
It's views such as the above which forces me to question just how serious you are about Jeremy Bamber's innocence.
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It's views such as the above which forces me to question just how serious you are about Jeremy Bamber's innocence.
Please don't concern yourself with my beliefs - people like yourself could never understand anything that is logical and proven - seems to me that at every available opportunity people like yourself are eager, 'nay keen' to dismiss anything and everything because you are from the other side, a supporter of deception and dishonesty! I know that the earth is not speherical, its not a ball, we have all been lied to...
Please, examine your conscience - prey tell how there exist photographs of the sun and the moon with cloud formations both, in front and behind these? Do you seriously think that such bullshit can fool me as a free thinker?
How the fuck can cloud formations exist in front of, and behind the sun and the moon?
Please, stop trying to insult my intelligence...
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The claim that the earth is round and a spehirical object is bunkum...
How utterly remarkable, that the sun and the moon appear exact in size as one another, please listen and I don't particularly care whether you agree or not, the earth is not a spherical object, its all 'bollocks'...
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The claim that the earth is round and a spehirical object is bunkum...
How utterly remarkable, that the sun and the moon appear exact in size as one another, please listen and I don't particularly care whether you agree or not, the earth is not a spherical object, its all 'bollocks'...
Who the fuck do these fallen angels, the illuminatti, or whoever they like to call themselves, think they are trying to con?
They are full of shit - it must be quite obvious that the earth (below) has a firmanent as it says in the bible, with water below, and water above - the sun and the moon were lights created by god in the aforementioned firmanent, to help distinguish night from day, and impact upon the tides of the earth, or whatever...
How can anyone with a christian background ignore what is spoken about in the holy bible?
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Who the fuck do these fallen angels, the illuminatti, or whoever they like to call themselves, think they are trying to con?
They are full of shit - it must be quite obvious that the earth (below) has a firmanent as it says in the bible, with water below, and water above - the sun and the moon were lights created by god in the aforementioned firmanent, to help distinguish night from day, and impact upon the tides of the earth, or whatever...
How can anyone with a christian background ignore what is spoken about in the holy bible?
The powers that be, intends to remain the power that is, but this does not mean that their interpretation is the correct one, in the same way that everything I have to say should be dismissed or ignored...
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Lets look at the facts - we have the moon supposedly travelling in outer space, in a fixed orbit around the 'spherical earth', and 'it' always has the same part of its surface facing toward the earth? How utterly remarkable that the moon does not spiral or rotate upon its own axis as it travels around the earth, since with movement, comes friction, and with friction comes movement, with this in mind the concept, or the deception is exposed as a lie...
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Lets look at the facts - we have the moon supposedly travelling in outer space, in a fixed orbit around the 'spherical earth', and 'it' always has the same part of its surface facing toward the earth? How utterly remarkable that the moon does not spiral or rotae upon its own axis as it travels around the earth, since with movement, comes friction, and with friction comes movement, with this in mind the concept, or the deception is exposed as a lie...
In a nutshell, the sun and the moon are but lights created by god in the firmanent...
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In a nutshell, the sun and the moon are but lights created by god in the firmanent...
I am not saying that I beleive that the earth is perfectly flat, but there can be no doubt whatsoever to my mind that the earth is not spherical, we have been and are being constantly deceived by the powers that be...
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Is there any of you amongst yourselves who does not think that I can prove what I am saying?
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Is there any of you amongst yourselves who does not think that I can prove what I am saying?
Ok, here's the sun...
clouds in front of the sun and behind it - now, please don't even try to go down the road of trying to get me to think that if the sun is so many millions of miles away from our earth, please explain to me how there can be clouds in front and behind 'it'?
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We have been and are being lied to, they are brainwashing our children, indoctrinating them to become an intergral part of their system...
Its about time, free thinking people made a stand against these criminals, lets get rid of the lot of them, the earth is no more spherical than Jeremy Bamber be guilty of being involved in the shootings and stage managing of his sisters body on the main bedroom floor...
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Ok, here's the sun...
clouds in front of the sun and behind it - now, please don't even try to go down the road of trying to get me to think that if the sun is so many millions of miles away from our earth, please explain to me how there can be clouds in front and behind 'it'?
Huh? This is a joke right? The clouds aren't behind the sun, the sun light is shining THROUGH the cloud so it is obscured visually.
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Huh? This is a joke right? The clouds aren't behind the sun, the sun light is shining THROUGH the cloud so it is obscured visually.
No, its not - visit specsavers...
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Ok, here is video footage showing 'cloud both in front of' and 'behind the moon' -
(1) - https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Moon+Clouds&&view=detail&mid=01DD1D425B5518D8467401DD1D425B5518D84674&FORM=VRDGAR
(2) - https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Moon+Clouds&&view=detail&mid=99AD707A3A24EABEEA6799AD707A3A24EABEEA67&rvsmid=01DD1D425B5518D8467401DD1D425B5518D84674&FORM=VDMCNR
If the moon is so far away from earth in space, please explain to me in plain english how the clouds appear both in front of the transient moon (or is it the sun, you could eassily be forgiven for mistaking the moon for the sun, and vice versa, because hey guess what in the earths firmaneet the sun and the moon are exactly the same size) and behind it?
You won't be able to, and can't because the moon is not out in space, it is simply moving around in the firmanent just like the sun, as contended in the bible, this is the truth, and a deception by the powers that be who have brainwashed almost the entire human race into thinking that the earth is spherical when it is not...
The earth is not spherical - its all a big lie...
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Look here:-
They have been, and are lying to us, just like they did when the USA landed on the moon - oh yeah, but that's another story...
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I pose the following proposition - what if the sun and the moon are interchangeable beacons of light in the firmanent (dome) above the earth?
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I pose the following proposition - what if the sun and the moon are interchangeable beacons of light in the firmanent (dome) above the earth?
I am drawn to this conclusion because according to the testimony of an airline pilot during particular flights the sun which set in the west behind their flight path, mysteriously appeared in a nothernly, and sometimes a southernly position during their flightpath which invariably involved in their plane being flown in more or less a straight line, or as the crow flies, from departure location A to destination location B?
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I am drawn to this conclusion because according to the testimony of an airline pilot during particular flights the sun which set in the west behind their flight path, mysteriously appeared in a nothernly, and sometimes a southernly position during their flightpath which invariably involved in their plane being flown in more or less a straight line, or as the crow flies, from departure location A to destination location B?
There are no known flight paths for commercial airplanes to fly across 'antarctica'...
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No, its not - visit specsavers...
Yes it is and it's not specsavers you need.
Carry on with this if you like, I won't be debating with you again.
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I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.
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I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.
That makes two of us! :-\
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I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.
Boredom! No one's talking to him ;D
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You can scoff all you like, I know a deception when one is being pulled, or played...
There are too many variables which to be frank quite simply 'do not add up'...
Lets take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?
The sun should almost always be along a plane calculated directly inbetween the jaws of any crescent or pahe of the moon, a position calcuable by reference to a diagonal line, but as is often the case, the position of the sun is often displaced way off the scale...
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. . . the sun and the moon were lights . . .
Were? How come the moon looks rocky now? How come we can accurately predict the eclipses of the sun and moon?
How can anyone with a Christian background ignore what is spoken about in the Holy Bible?
It's not ignored, but understood differently by different people. How come we can measure continental drift?
Let's take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?
The earth isn't between the sun and the moon for those phases. If it were, there would be a lunar eclipse.
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Were? How come the moon looks rocky now? it's a projected image which appears to be reflected off the dome shaped firmament How come we can accurately predict the eclipses of the sun and moon? achievable because the dome shaped firmament of the earth is of a unique specific size, capacity, curvature, and measuremement!
It's not ignored, but understood differently by different people. How come we can measure continental drift?by a reliance upon the curvature of the domed earth!
The earth isn't between the sun and the moon for those phases. that is correct - since when the sun and the moon are in the same part of the earth's firmament both of them are being viewed in a perspective along or toward varying degrees of an 'event horizon' dependant upon how the observation is being viewed, and calculated.
If it were, there would be a lunar eclipse. There wouldn't always be a full lunar eclipse viewable to everyone located in different locations on the surface of the earth, if the moon was travelling inside the dome shaped firmament of the earth, as opposed to the journey of the sun which travels around the outside of the earth's domed firmament!
The reflective light waves of the moon appear to behave differently to the behaviour of the sunlight, where one appears to be located and moveable along the inside of the dome shaped firmament of the earth, whereas the other (the sun) appears to journey and operate on the outside of the same dome shaped firmament of the earth - light waves from the moon on the inside of the domed shape firmament of the earth appear to have an ability to bend and curve, whereas with the sun on the outer edge of the dome shaped firmament of the earth move in straight lines. Hence, why along the 'event horizon' from the vantage point of a person on the surface of the earth, the apparent interaction been the moon and the sun appear out of sync' ( the sun doesn't always appear to be in a part of the sky where it ought to be) as viewed by a person standing on the surface of the earth...
Reflected light from the moons surface appears capable of being bent, whereas direct sunlight always moves in straight lines with little or no prospect of deviation...
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You can scoff all you like, I know a deception when one is being pulled, or played...
There are too many variables which to be frank quite simply 'do not add up'...
Lets take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?
The sun should almost always be along a plane calculated directly inbetween the jaws of any crescent or pahe of the moon, a position calcuable by reference to a diagonal line, but as is often the case, the position of the sun is often displaced way off the scale...
I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here, Mike. Is there ANY walk of life where you DON'T believe "they" are out to get you? The world according to Mike doesn't feel like a safe place for the majority of us to be.
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. . . the sun doesn't always appear to be in a part of the sky where it ought to be . . .
That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky, and the solar eclipses always occur as expected. Your description provides no explanation for the cratered appearance of the moon or the apparent motion of the planets. Also, it doesn't account for the apparent motion of the stars (round the earth).
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That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky, and the solar eclipses always occur as expected. Your description provides no explanation for the cratered appearance of the moon or the apparent motion of the planets. Also, it doesn't account for the apparent motion of the stars (round the earth).
...or seasons or time zones.
I actually bothered to see how flat earthers explain all of these things and it is half an hour lost. The explanations are so scientifically illiterate that it is impossible to know where to begin.
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That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky Sometimes, clouds pass behind and in front of the moon which could not happen if the moon was so far away in outer space! When this occurs in video footage the moon could not possibly be in front of any cloud behind it, and therefore this would amount to the moon being in a part of the earth's sky and atmosphere where it shouldn't be!!!.
Any moon in outer space can never have cloud formations behind it!!!
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Any moon in outer space can never have cloud formations behind it!!!
It doesn't.
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Clouds behind and in front of the moon!
Watch the video and become educated...
(1) - https://youtu.be/SdojiTkJi_4
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Everything points to the moon being inside the firmament of the earth, exposed by presence of clouds behind and in front of the moon!
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Clouds behind and in front of the moon!
(1) - https://youtu.be/SdojiTkJi_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfHdZrmMAw
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The USA did not go to and land on the moon - it was all a massive deception!
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Everything points to the moon being inside the firmament of the earth, exposed by presence of clouds behind and in front of the moon!
The sun must be outside the firmament, and it reacts with the moon and whatever it is that the earth is, to produce the seasons, the high tides and low tides, partial and full eclipse of the moon and sun, earth shine on the moon, etc...
The flat earth module, rotates on its own axis, making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth, but it is the earth which spins on its own axis...
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The sun must be outside the firmament, and it reacts with the moon and whatever it is that the earth is, to produce the seasons, the high tides and low tides, partial and full eclipse of the moon and sun, earth shine on the moon, etc...
The flat earth module, rotates on its own axis, making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth, but it is the earth which spins on its own axis...
Light waves from the sun outside the domed firmament of the earth, and light waves from the moon inside the domed firmament of the earth, are the key to understanding the universe around us on this earth!
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Everyone is wrong!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkcSY-Lx-cc
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How can cloud formations exist in front of, and behind the sun and the moon?
Eclipses are predicted very accurately using calculations based on the sun and the moon being at great distances from earth - far beyond the clouds. Anyway, airliners fly above most of the clouds and their passengers never see the sun or moon below them.
Reflected light from the moons surface appears capable of being bent, whereas direct sunlight always moves in straight lines with little or no prospect of deviation...
All light rays, including those directly from the sun can be bent very easily by a lens.
The sun must be outside the firmament, . . .
You earlier suggested that cloud formations can be seen to pass behind the sun. What is someone seeing when they spot the international space station using binoculars or a small telescope? How do you account for the observed movement of the stars and planets?
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Eclipses are predicted very accurately using calculations based on the sun and the moon being at great distances from earth - far beyond the clouds. not if video footage exists showing cloud formationAnyway, airliners fly above most of the clouds and their passengers never see the sun or moon below them. This is not entirely true...
All light rays, including those directly from the sun can be bent very easily by a lens. Exactly,
the powers that be can android manipulate the truth...
You earlier suggested that cloud formations can be seen to pass behind the sun. Yes, the clouds have been captured behind the sun, and in front of it..What is someone seeing when they spot the international space station using binoculars or a small telescope? I don't honestly know.. How do you account for the observed movement of the stars and planets? I think they rotate against the imoveable earth's dome shaped..
Oh, yeah...
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Video footage conveys appearance, but not distance. A similar appearance can easily be obtained by making a video of a white disk lit from above (brightly enough to cause slight over-exposure in the video footage) and having some steam drifting across between it and the camera.
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Video footage conveys appearance, but not distance. A similar appearance can easily be obtained by making a video of a white disk lit from above (brightly enough to cause slight over-exposure in the video footage) and having some steam drifting across between it and the camera.
What you say could be possible, but I believe the footage posted up to be genuine, because I have observed this activity myself on several occasions. In the meantime, I shall be looking out for more video footage which displays these features (clouds behind and in front of the moon)..
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What you say could be possible, but I believe the footage posted up to be genuine, because I have observed this activity myself on several occasions. In the meantime, I shall be looking out for more video footage which displays these features (clouds behind and in front of the moon)..
Consider the following proposition:-
First proposition
(a) - person 1 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 2 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 3 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 1, 90° west of person 2
(d) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 1, 90° east of person 2
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Second proposition
(c) - person 2 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 3 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 2, 90° west of person 3
(d) - person 1 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 2, 90° east of person 3
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Third proposition
(a) - person 3 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 4 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 1 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 3, 90° west of person 4
(d) - person 2 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 3, 90° east of person 4
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Fourth proposition
(a) - person 4 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 1 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 3 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 4, 90° west of person 1
(d) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 4, 90° east of person 1
Now, let's disect the globe into 4 individual regional quadrants, let's name these, 'W', 'X', 'Y', and 'Z'...
If it rains at the exact same time in each of these (W, X, Y and Z) 4 different regions, according to 'the earth is a globe community' as per the first proposition, the rain falls down from the sky up above, to the ground down below from person 1's perspective, the rain falls upward from the ground, and downward towards the sky in person 2's situation, and it rains sideways on East to West or vice versa with regards to persons 3 and 4 respectively! In other words, its raining in all different directions at one and the same time, with each person consciously thinking and or believing that it's raining from up above (the sky) and saturating the ground below!
In order for this to occur, the earth has to be a globe...
One person's perspective of the falling rain will not correspond in direction with another person's perspective involving the same rain, since in the four examples given, it rains down, it would rain up, it would rain sideways on from east to west, and or from West to east...
People would be standing upright with their feet on the ground beneath themselves, or be standing upside down with their feet firmly on the ground above them, or be standing sideways on, this way (east to west) or that way (west to east)! A person on one part of the global earth model would drive a car with its wheels firmly on the ground beneath them, whilst on the opposite side of the earth, the other person drives their car upside down, with the four wheels of the vehicle planted firmly on the ground above him! Yet, still further, the person's driving cars east to west (or vice versa) of persons 1 and 2 (person's 3 and 4) would be driving cars with their wheels firmly planted on the ground sideways on to the other two persons (1 and 2)...
On and on I could go, with example after example, which if true would be truly startling and hard to believe that in different parts of the world similar events which must be occurring, are unfolding differently, right way up, upside down, side ways on, and yet if there was any prospect of this being true, for example, an aeroplane travelling from say the UK to Australia, would at some time have to flip over so that not only the aeroplane became upside down, but the passengers themselves would need to be rotated during that particular flight or journey - now, we know that this does not happen and because this does not happen, the earth cannot be a globe, it has to be fundamentally flat...
I am no mug, and I can work things out, I don't need NASa or any experts pulling the wool over my eyes!!!
I can think for myself...
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Albeit your thinking is somewhat skewed ;) :))
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Albeit your thinking is somewhat skewed ;) :))
Up, down, left, right, this way, that way, everything and everyboy would be in a spin at a rate equal to the speed with which the global earth model was / is turning...
The world we live in truly is a remakable place..
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Up, down, left, right, this way, that way, everything and everyboy would be in a spin at a rate equal to the speed with which the global earth model was / is turning...
The world we live in truly is a remakable place..
Motor vehicles driving right way up, upside down, side ways on, the rain falling this way and that way, aeroplanes flying normally, and flying upside down and side ways on - gravity has a lot to answer for...
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Motor vehicles driving right way up, upside down, side ways on, the rain falling this way and that way, aeroplanes flying normally, and flying upside down and side ways on - gravity has a lot to answer for...
This makes me believe that the earth is not a globe, because by anybodies perspective I can't begin to imagine that people are walking upright at one point on the surface of the earth, and upside down, or side ways on, this way, and that way, or vice versa, all at the same time, in a topsy turvy world of magic, and mirages...
The earth has to primarily be flat, not exactly flat, but certainly not a globe, otherwise chaos would abound, aeroplanes would have to rotate upside down, and side ways on as they travel through the sky to get from one place on the planet to the opposite location / destination...
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This makes me believe that the earth is not a globe, because by anybodies perspective I can't begin to imagine that people are walking upright at one point on the surface of the earth, and upside down, or side ways on, this way, and that way, or vice versa, all at the same time, in a topsy turvy world of magic, and mirages...
The earth has to primarily be flat, not exactly flat, but certainly not a globe, otherwise chaos would abound, aeroplanes would have to rotate upside down, and side ways on as they travel through the sky to get from one place on the planet to the opposite location / destination...
If the earth was a globe, life would be oh so very different for every living thing upon the surface of the earth, since people, animals, insects, birds and fish, would not know which way was which, life would be intolerable....
Can you imagine people in the UK wanting to go on holiday to Australia because they quite fancy the idea that they will be doing everying upside down to the way they normally did things? 'Oh', the sweet adventure of feeling the aeroplane twist and rotate in the sky just to make things fit neatly?
It's a flat earth (in principle), it's got to be flat, everybody stands upright in a flat earth model, up means up, down means down, left means left and right means right! Nobody has to be driving a motor vehicle upside down on the other part of the earth, birds don't fly upside down, there! Aeroplanes don't have to twist and rotate whilst travelling from one part of the earth to another part of the same earth...
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If the earth was a globe, life would be oh so very different for every living thing upon the surface of the earth, since people, animals, insects, birds and fish, would not know which way was which, life would be intolerable....
Can you imagine people in the UK wanting to go on holiday to Australia because they quite fancy the idea that they will be doing everying upside down to the way they normally did things? 'Oh', the sweet adventure of feeling the aeroplane twist and rotate in the sky just to make things fit neatly?
It's a flat earth (in principle), it's got to be flat, everybody stands upright in a flat earth model, up means up, down means down, left means left and right means right! Nobody has to be driving a motor vehicle upside down on the other part of the earth, birds don't fly upside down, there! Aeroplanes don't have to twist and rotate whilst travelling from one part of the earth to another part of the same earth...
There's no such thing as the right way up people, the upside down people, and or the side ways on people, for this to actually be true, (a) the earth would have to be a globe, and (b) the people, animals, insects, birds and the fish would all experience having their world turned upside down, inside out, this way, and that way!
As I say, gravity has to be a localised phenomena - since gravitational waves at point (a) on the earth, cannot be pulling in the same direction, at (b), (c) or (d), at one and the same time (the direction is determined as up, down, left and right)...
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Consider the following proposition:-
First proposition
(a) - person 1 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 2 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 3 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 1, 90° west of person 2
(d) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 1, 90° east of person 2
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Second proposition
(c) - person 2 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 3 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 2, 90° west of person 3
(d) - person 1 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 2, 90° east of person 3
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Third proposition
(a) - person 3 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 4 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 1 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 3, 90° west of person 4
(d) - person 2 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 3, 90° east of person 4
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Fourth proposition
(a) - person 4 is stood on the surface of the earth in the spherical version
(b) - person 1 is stood on the exact opposite side of the globe at 180°
(c) - person 3 is stood on the earth 90° east of person 4, 90° west of person 1
(d) - person 4 is stood on the earth 90° west of person 4, 90° east of person 1
Now, let's disect the globe into 4 individual regional quadrants, let's name these, 'W', 'X', 'Y', and 'Z'...
If it rains at the exact same time in each of these (W, X, Y and Z) 4 different regions, according to 'the earth is a globe community' as per the first proposition, the rain falls down from the sky up above, to the ground down below from person 1's perspective, the rain falls upward from the ground, and downward towards the sky in person 2's situation, and it rains sideways on East to West or vice versa with regards to persons 3 and 4 respectively! In other words, its raining in all different directions at one and the same time, with each person consciously thinking and or believing that it's raining from up above (the sky) and saturating the ground below!
In order for this to occur, the earth has to be a globe...
One person's perspective of the falling rain will not correspond in direction with another person's perspective involving the same rain, since in the four examples given, it rains down, it would rain up, it would rain sideways on from east to west, and or from West to east...
People would be standing upright with their feet on the ground beneath themselves, or be standing upside down with their feet firmly on the ground above them, or be standing sideways on, this way (east to west) or that way (west to east)! A person on one part of the global earth model would drive a car with its wheels firmly on the ground beneath them, whilst on the opposite side of the earth, the other person drives their car upside down, with the four wheels of the vehicle planted firmly on the ground above him! Yet, still further, the person's driving cars east to west (or vice versa) of persons 1 and 2 (person's 3 and 4) would be driving cars with their wheels firmly planted on the ground sideways on to the other two persons (1 and 2)...
On and on I could go, with example after example, which if true would be truly startling and hard to believe that in different parts of the world similar events which must be occurring, are unfolding differently, right way up, upside down, side ways on, and yet if there was any prospect of this being true, for example, an aeroplane travelling from say the UK to Australia, would at some time have to flip over so that not only the aeroplane became upside down, but the passengers themselves would need to be rotated during that particular flight or journey - now, we know that this does not happen and because this does not happen, the earth cannot be a globe, it has to be fundamentally flat...
I am no mug, and I can work things out, I don't need NASa or any experts pulling the wool over my eyes!!!
I can think for myself...
The earth has been known to be round for centuries, it's not a NASA concept but just what reason would these people have for conning the population of the world? And not just NASA, governments and scientists.
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The earth has been known to be round for centuries, it's not a NASA concept but just what reason would these people have for conning the population of the world? And not just NASA, governments and scientists.
Yeah. Pythagorus was a tad pre NASA.
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Religeous?
Employment?
Economics?
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The really absurd notion held by those brainwashed by the powers that be, that the earth is a sphere, is that if that be the truth, we would have people, animals, insects, birds and fish, performing basic functions and activities the right way up, upside down, and side ways on, all at the same time depending upon who was looking, at who, from here, there, or fundamentally, everywhere?
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The really absurd notion held by those brainwashed by the powers that be, that the earth is a sphere, is that if that be the truth, we would have people, animals, insects, birds and fish, performing basic functions and activities the right way up, upside down, and side ways on, all at the same time depending upon who was looking, at who, from here, there, or fundamentally, everywhere?
Ever heard of gravity?
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The really absurd notion held by those brainwashed by the powers that be, that the earth is a sphere, is that if that be the truth, we would have people, animals, insects, birds and fish, performing basic functions and activities the right way up, upside down, and side ways on, all at the same time depending upon who was looking, at who, from here, there, or fundamentally, everywhere?
Actually, it's ellipsoid, but that's possibly splitting hairs. On the other hand, Mike versus the genius of Pythagorus and Galileo et al? Hmmm.
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The really absurd notion held by those brainwashed by the powers that be, that the earth is a sphere, is that if that be the truth, we would have people, animals, insects, birds and fish, performing basic functions and activities the right way up, upside down, and side ways on, all at the same time depending upon who was looking, at who, from here, there, or fundamentally, everywhere?
As I say, there wouldn't be the truly remakable events of aeroplanes twisting and becoming inverted during long haul flights, without the apparent realisation by its passengers that such and such had been happening, or had occurred? Ordinary people don't experience these activities because the earth is not spherical and goverened by total gravity that is 'tied in to the core of the earth' - aeroplanes don't twist and turn themselves upside down, during long haul flights, and people can't walk upside down or side ways on, or drive motor cars with all four wheels firmly up on the ground, or hang by its wheels sideways on like picture in a frame hanging on a wall - but if the earth were spherical, these features would be true and proveable...
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As I say, there wouldn't be the truly remakable events of aeroplanes twisting and becoming inverted during long haul flights, without the apparent realisation by its passengers that such and such had been happening, or had occurred? Ordinary people don't experience these activities because the earth is not spherical and goverened by total gravity that is 'tied in to the core of the earth' - aeroplanes don't twist and turn themselves upside down, during long haul flights, and people can't walk upside down or side ways on, or drive motor cars with all four wheels firmly up on the ground, or hang by its wheels sideways on like picture in a frame hanging on a wall - but if the earth were spherical, these features would be true and proveable...
If the earth were truly a globe, it would be a very terrifying experience flying around the earth, in particular from one side of the earth to the opposite side, since everyones world would be turned 'upside down' and 'inside out'..
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If the earth were truly a globe, it would be a very terrifying experience flying around the earth, in particular from one side of the earth to the opposite side, since everyones world would be turned 'upside down' and 'inside out'..
All such controversy is avoidable by adopting the flat earth model - where the arth is unmoveable, with a dome of atmosphere or whatever, where the sun, the moon and the stars, rotate above it! It should be obvious to anyone and everyone, that the earth does not rotate on its own axis as ( the Earth rotates on its axis once each day). Since the circumference of the Earth at the Equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the Equator rotates at approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55) (1669.8 km/h)...
Well, of course it does, because the powers that be tell us all this is true - how any ordinary individual could possibly measure this rate of rotation leaves a great deal to be desired. You only have to look at a busy stretch of mortorway where traffic is moving fast in opposite directions to realise that if the earth were a globe, and it was spinning at such a high rate on its own axis, why this doesn't impact upon traffic travelling in one direction as opposed to another direction, since in one form or another at least one direction of the two would be aided by the spin of the earth, and the other adversely affected by it - yet, there appearss no evidence supporting this...
Apparently, gravitational pull or drag has no bearing upon the traffic subject of such a study...
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All such controversy is avoidable by adopting the flat earth model - where the arth is unmoveable, with a dome of atmosphere or whatever, where the sun, the moon and the stars, rotate above it! It should be obvious to anyone and everyone, that the earth does not rotate on its own axis as ( the Earth rotates on its axis once each day). Since the circumference of the Earth at the Equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the Equator rotates at approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55) (1669.8 km/h)...
Well, of course it does, because the powers that be tell us all this is true - how any ordinary individual could possibly measure this rate of rotation leaves a great deal to be desired. You only have to look at a busy stretch of mortorway where traffic is moving fast in opposite directions to realise that if the earth were a globe, and it was spinning at such a high rate on its own axis, why this doesn't impact upon traffic travelling in one direction as opposed to another direction, since in one form or another at least one direction of the two would be aided by the spin of the earth, and the other adversely affected by it - yet, there appearss no evidence supporting this...
Apparently, gravitational pull or drag has no bearing upon the traffic subject of such a study...
Ok, lets take a look at a good example, of what I am talking about - On a 20 / 30 mile stretch of flat motorway, we have two identical cars, same manufactuer, same model, same engine size, same weight of a solitary driver, both vehicles with a full tank of fuel. as they pass one another going in the opposite direction, they are both doing 80mph and the rev counter in each vehicle at this time was reading at 3,000 revs - why doesn't one vehicle's engine work harder than thee other, depending upon the direction both cars are travelling in?
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If the earth were truly a globe, it would be a very terrifying experience flying around the earth, in particular from one side of the earth to the opposite side, since everyones world would be turned 'upside down' and 'inside out'..
But it's not, is it? It's ellipsoid.
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Actually, it's ellipsoid, but that's possibly splitting hairs. On the other hand, Mike versus the genius of Pythagorus and Galileo et al? Hmmm.
Not only scientists but explorers and the like. Quite odd that no one has ever noticed the edges of this 'dome' and spilled the beans!
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Not only scientists but explorers and the like. Quite odd that no one has ever noticed the edges of this 'dome' and spilled the beans!
Obviously they're ALL part of the great conspiracy, Caroline :))
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There would be (a) 360 degrees of elevation from any event horizon on the surface of a global earth model, at (b) 90 degrees east, and (c) 150 degrees west, from a person at an event horizon, a second, or a third person would be sideways on, (d) a fourth person standing at 180 degrees from the first person would be upside down!
This would be true, of humans, animals, insects, birds, fish, motor cars, boats, aeroplanes, rain, snow, sunshine, hail stone, plants, shrubs, grass, trees, or any combination of these in localities (a), (b), (c) and (d), at the same moment in time...
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There would be (a) 360 degrees of elevation from any event horizon on the surface of a global earth model, at (b) 90 degrees east, and (c) 150 degrees west, from a person at an event horizon, a second, or a third person would be sideways on, (d) a fourth person standing at 180 degrees from the first person would be upside down!
This would be true, of humans, animals, insects, birds, fish, motor cars, boats, aeroplanes, rain, snow, sunshine, hail stone, plants, shrubs, grass, trees, the sea, or any combination of these in localities (a), (b), (c) and (d), at the same moment in time...
However, when applying these principles to a flat earth model, no such anomalies, inconsistencies, or contradictions occur - applying Occams razor, everything tends to favor the earth being flat, rather than spherical in shape...
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But it's not spherical, it's ellipsoid, and you haven't given your sources for the 'information'.
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But it's not spherical, it's ellipsoid, and you haven't given your sources for the 'information'.
'God'...
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There will be mass hysteria, paranoa, civil unrest, a collapse of the monetary systems, decline in world trade, etc, when the powers that be can no longer brainwash anybody any further, by claiming that the earth is a globe, its spherical, and all the hogwash they have been feeding to the hordes will all of a sudden dry up, earth science and anything to do with the solar system will have to be re-written! There are no man made satelites orbiting earth, the stars, planets, including the sun and the moon rotate above the flat earth models firmament, the moon just inside the upper edge of the firmament, and the sun on the outside of it. The dome can best be described as atmospheric condition, the higher up towards the peak of the firmament the more dense becomes the atmosphere. It is at the circumference of the firmament that electro magnetic activity is created and is produced! This happens as a result of the movement of the sun and the moon, the former on the outside edge of the firmament, the latter operating just inside it! Encapsulating the flat earth model are mountains of ice which serve to keep the waters of the earth within its boundaries.These blocks of ice appear to be a product of the electromagnetic activity spoken about. In recent years there has been worldwide concern about the melting ice caps at the north pole, this is linked to a dramatic change in electromagnetic activity in and around the firmament!
The moon and the sun are much closer to the earth than is being admitted to, and sunlight moves in a straight lightwave, whereas light from the moon may operate along curved lightwaves. The sun produces its own light, where the light of the moon is produced by reflection - one acts as a positive energy, the other reacts negatively and is the cause of the electromagnetic activity, thunder, lightening, hurricanes, tornado's, earth quakes, forest fires, floodings, etc, etc, etc...
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However, when applying these principles to a flat earth model, no such anomalies, inconsistencies, or contradictions occur - applying Occams razor, everything tends to favor the earth being flat, rather than spherical in shape...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xwmqEUMWRI
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There will be mass hysteria, paranoa, civil unrest, a collapse of the monetary systems, decline in world trade, etc, when the powers that be can no longer brainwash anybody any further, by claiming that the earth is a globe, its spherical, and all the hogwash they have been feeding to the hordes will all of a sudden dry up, earth science and anything to do with the solar system will have to be re-written! There are no man made satelites orbiting earth, the stars, planets, including the sun and the moon rotate above the flat earth models firmament, the moon just inside the upper edge of the firmament, and the sun on the outside of it. The dome can best be described as atmospheric condition, the higher up towards the peak of the firmament the more dense becomes the atmosphere. It is at the circumference of the firmament that electro magnetic activity is created and is produced! This happens as a result of the movement of the sun and the moon, the former on the outside edge of the firmament, the latter operating just inside it! Encapsulating the flat earth model are mountains of ice which serve to keep the waters of the earth within its boundaries.These blocks of ice appear to be a product of the electromagnetic activity spoken about. In recent years there has been worldwide concern about the melting ice caps at the north pole, this is linked to a dramatic change in electromagnetic activity in and around the firmament!
The moon and the sun are much closer to the earth than is being admitted to, and sunlight moves in a straight lightwave, whereas light from the moon may operate along curved lightwaves. The sun produces its own light, where the light of the moon is produced by reflection - one acts as a positive energy, the other reacts negatively and is the cause of the electromagnetic activity, thunder, lightening, hurricanes, tornado's, earth quakes, forest fires, floodings, etc, etc, etc...
'God'...
Ohhh! I get, now. You've become a Jehovah's Witness.
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Flat earth debunked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbVmM9ymjxA
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Gravity is not centralised to the centre of the earth, it does not grow more intense the further someone is away from the middle of a flat earth model, gravity is constant to an individual, or an item, no matter whether or not you were on a flat earth model, close to the centre or further away toward its circumference - if that proposition were true motor vehicles would require more power and thus more fuel to travel at lets say 80MPH when making a journey near to the edge of a flat earth model, rather than an identical motor vehicle requiring less power and therefore less fuel to reach the same speed (80 MPH) closer to the hub of the flat earth...
I believe that it is a different kind of magnetism which governs or influences the activities of a human, or a thing, which has been mistaken for gravity...
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Gravity is not centralised to the centre of the earth, it does not grow more intense the further someone is away from the middle of a flat earth model, gravity is constant to an individual, or an item, no matter whether or not you were on a flat earth model, close to the centre or further away toward its circumference - if that proposition were true motor vehicles would require more power and thus more fuel to travel at lets say 80MPH when making a journey near to the edge of a flat earth model, rather than an identical motor vehicle requiring less power and therefore less fuel to reach the same speed (80 MPH) closer to the hub of the flat earth...
I believe that it is a different kind of magnetism which governs or influences the activities of a human, or a thing, which has been mistaken for gravity...
It's known as 'Electromagnatism' a product of the relationship between the moving parts of the sun which operates on the outer edge of the earths firmsment, and the moon which operates just inside the edge of the same firmament, a positive and a negative charge, creating this raw energy phenomena...
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It's known as 'Electromagnatism' a product of the relationship between the moving parts of the sun which operates on the outer edge of the earths firmsment, and the moon which operates just inside the edge of the same firmament, a positive and a negative charge, creating this raw energy phenomena...
So that's the explanation from God's own voice, is it?
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It is a deception to say that the earth turns and spins on its own axis, the flat earth is static, and the sun, moon and the stars hover around the dome of the flat earth - once you understand this principle, it becomes somewhat obvious that those who seek to rely on gravity as the be all and end all which somehow debunks the flat earth model, do so because the alternative explanation to theirs (theirs being that on a flat earth model it would need to rotate on its own axis), is that the flat earth model does not rotate on its own axis, it is the sun, the moon, and the stars which rotate above the earths domed firmament. This being the case, gravity would be no more stronger, or weaker, irrespective of whether or not a person was standing closer to the centre of a flat earth model, or the outer circumference of the same - The powers that be will do anything and say anything to try to continue with their deception, programing people to think and act like they want them to...
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Gravity is not centralised to the centre of the earth, it does not grow more intense the further someone is away from the middle of a flat earth model, gravity is constant to an individual, or an item, no matter whether or not you were on a flat earth model, close to the centre or further away toward its circumference - if that proposition were true motor vehicles would require more power and thus more fuel to travel at lets say 80MPH when making a journey near to the edge of a flat earth model, rather than an identical motor vehicle requiring less power and therefore less fuel to reach the same speed (80 MPH) closer to the hub of the flat earth...
I believe that it is a different kind of magnetism which governs or influences the activities of a human, or a thing, which has been mistaken for gravity...
Always said that Issac Newton was a freakin numpty! I mean, what the hell would he know? The earth is flat, there's a big planet on the way to wipe us out (guess that must be flat anarl), faeries really do live at the bottom of the garden (albeit a flat one) and Bamber is innocent (that last one is REALLY far fetched!) :o
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Always said that Issac Newton was a freakin numpty! I mean, what the hell would he know? The earth is
Oh, the falling apple from the tree argument, which goes no way toward proving that a flat earth model would always spin on its own axis...
If an apple did fall off the tree and hit him on top of the head I should think he learned not to sit under an apple tree where ripe fruit might be likely to fall off it! Additionally, I should think the bump on his head from the apple left a bruise and was somewhat sore for a couple of days or more...
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Oh, the falling apple from the tree argument, which goes no way toward proving that a flat earth model would always spin on its own axis...
If an apple did fall off the tree and hit him on top of the head I should think he learned not to sit under an apple tree where ripe fruit might be likely to fall off it! Additionally, I should think the bump on his head from the apple left a bruise and was somewhat sore for a couple of days or more...
So, what did Isaac Newton know about the shape of the earth?
Well, rather bizarrely he postulated the following interpretation:-
Shape of the Earth:
Additional contributions include 'his prediction that the Earth was likely shaped as an “oblate spheroid” – i.e. a sphere that experienced flattening at the poles'. This theory would later be vindicated by the measurements of Maupertuis, La Condamine, and others. This in turn helped convince most Continental European scientists of the superiority of Newtonian mechanics over the earlier system of Descartes.
In terms of mathematics, he contributed to the study of power series, generalized the binomial theorem to non-integer exponents, developed Newton’s method for approximating the roots of a function, and classified most of the cubic plane curves. He also shares credit with Gottfried Leibniz for the development of calculus. These discoveries represented a huge leap forward for the fields of math, physics, and astronomy, allowing for calculations that more accurately modeled the behavior of the universe than ever before.
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So, what did Isaac Newton know about the shape of the earth?
Well, rather bizarrely he postulated the following interpretation:-
Shape of the Earth:
Additional contributions include 'his prediction that the Earth was likely shaped as an “oblate spheroid” – i.e. a sphere that experienced flattening at the poles'. This theory would later be vindicated by the measurements of Maupertuis, La Condamine, and others. This in turn helped convince most Continental European scientists of the superiority of Newtonian mechanics over the earlier system of Descartes.
In terms of mathematics, he contributed to the study of power series, generalized the binomial theorem to non-integer exponents, developed Newton’s method for approximating the roots of a function, and classified most of the cubic plane curves. He also shares credit with Gottfried Leibniz for the development of calculus. These discoveries represented a huge leap forward for the fields of math, physics, and astronomy, allowing for calculations that more accurately modeled the behavior of the universe than ever before.
So he must have been the first evil bastard to start conning the rest of the population! What a git! Terry Prachett was clearly working undercover to expose these monsters of physics! :o
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The earth is clearly a static flat earth model, with the sun, moon and stars moving above and around the flat earth's firmament, there is too much evidence in existence, too many unanswered questions, for the earth to be spherical or ball shaped spinning on its axis!
200 reasons why the flat earth model is true, or why the earth cannot be a globe...
Take a look here:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
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The earth is clearly a static flat earth model, with the sun, moon and stars moving above and around the flat earth's firmament, there is too much evidence in existence, too many unanswered questions, for the earth to be spherical or ball shaped spinning on its axis!
200 reasons why the flat earth model is true, or why the earth cannot be a globe...
Take a look here:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
It's not like.
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The earth is clearly a static flat earth model, with the sun, moon and stars moving above and around the flat earth's firmament, there is too much evidence in existence, too many unanswered questions, for the earth to be spherical or ball shaped spinning on its axis!
200 reasons why the flat earth model is true, or why the earth cannot be a globe...
Take a look here:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
It's not a globe. It's ellipsoid!!!
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Mike do you believe all the other planets are flat also?
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Mike do you believe all the other planets are flat also?
what an intelligent question...
Which planets are you talking about?
Sun - yes
Moon - yes
Venus - yes
Mercury - yes
mars - yes
Jupiter - yes
Saturn - yes
Uranus - yes
Pluto - yes
Stars in constellations - yes
What is at play here, is an immediate universe producing electromagnetic charges, both positive and negative, where the intereaction of a planets electromagnetic field intereacts with the electromagnetic field of other planets, it may come into close contact with. I truly believe that the sun and the moon are much closer to each other than say Nasa nor a member of this forum might suggest - we are being lied to, they think that ordinary people are not capable of thinking for themselves, they like to put words and ideas into our minds, they are control freaks...
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what an intelligent question...
Which planets are you talking about?
Sun - yes
Moon - yes
Venus - yes
Mercury - yes
mars - yes
Jupiter - yes
Saturn - yes
Uranus - yes
Pluto - yes
Stars in constellations - yes
What is at play here, is an immediate universe producing electromagnetic charges, both positive and negative, where the intereaction of a planets electromagnetic field intereacts with the electromagnetic field of other planets, it may come into close contact with. I truly believe that the sun and the moon are much closer to each other than say Nasa nor a member of this forum might suggest - we are being lied to, they think that ordinary people are not capable of thinking for themselves, they like to put words and ideas into our minds, they are control freaks...
So who makes the decision about which group who is telling the truth?
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So who makes the decision about which group who is telling the truth?
Them, us, they, we, him, her, you, I, and god...
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Them, us, they, we, him, her, you, I, and god...
...and Andrew Flintoff who's just been talking about the Flat Earth conspiracy theorists.
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There are at least 200 valid reasons why the earth is fllat not a globe in this link:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
All these facts can only lead to one conclussion - the powers that be have been lying to us all, and they continue to lie, they have a lot to lose if they were to admit the truth...
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There are at least 200 valid reasons why the earth is fllat not a globe in this link:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/-Ax_YpQsy88
All these facts can only lead to one conclussion - the powers that be have been lying to us all, and they continue to lie, they have a lot to lose if they were to admit the truth...
I'm sure you must chuckle away to yourself of an evening - least I HOPE so! :-\
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what an intelligent question...
Which planets are you talking about?
Sun - yes
Moon - yes
Venus - yes
Mercury - yes
mars - yes
Jupiter - yes
Saturn - yes
Uranus - yes
Pluto - yes
Stars in constellations - yes
What is at play here, is an immediate universe producing electromagnetic charges, both positive and negative, where the intereaction of a planets electromagnetic field intereacts with the electromagnetic field of other planets, it may come into close contact with. I truly believe that the sun and the moon are much closer to each other than say Nasa nor a member of this forum might suggest - we are being lied to, they think that ordinary people are not capable of thinking for themselves, they like to put words and ideas into our minds, they are control freaks...
Then how do you explain the ring around Saturn? The shadow caused by the ring on the surface is curved.
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/saturn.jpg (https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/saturn.jpg)
What a breath taking photograph that is. That is 83 times the size of our own planet! And is currently 1.6 Billion kilometres away from us.
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if the earth was flat cats would of pushed everything over the edge by now.
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if the earth was flat cats would of pushed everything over the edge by now.
Love that nugs. ;D
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if the earth was flat cats would of pushed everything over the edge by now.
Hi Nugs that is very true and so so funny brought a big smile to my face :))
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It's easy to direct someone to some other website where reasons can be found. However, mike tesko, you are ignoring my questions about the predictability of eclipses of the moon and sun. How come such predictions are accurate, given that they're based on both the sun and moon being very far away?
Regarding airliners turning upside down, you haven't explained why that's difficult to believe. It would be hard to believe if you thought it meant that the passengers would fall out of their seats. However, the passengers would also have turned upside down, so they wouldn't notice any change. The ground in, say, New Zealand faces roughly the opposite direction from the ground in England, so the "upside down" airliner can land "upside down" without any problem.
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It's easy to direct someone to some other website where reasons can be found. However, mike tesko, you are ignoring my questions about the predictability of eclipses of the moon and sun. How come such predictions are accurate, given that they're based on both the sun and moon being very far away?
Regarding airliners turning upside down, you haven't explained why that's difficult to believe. It would be hard to believe if you thought it meant that the passengers would fall out of their seats. However, the passengers would also have turned upside down, so they wouldn't notice any change. The ground in, say, New Zealand faces roughly the opposite direction from the ground in England, so the "upside down" airliner can land "upside down" without any problem.
I think Mike has now realised the problems with the whole thing. If the earth is flat then the other planets are no different. That would mean all the planets are flat disks all simultaneously facing earth so they appear round at all times for astronomers to see them that way. ;D
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I don't think he would consider that a problem at all. From his point of view, the problem is that modern descriptions of the cosmos imply that Genesis contains numerous white lies. However, he ignored my questions as to why the moon looks cratered, and why the planets change their positions in relation to the stars.
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Then how do you explain the ring around Saturn? The shadow caused by the ring on the surface is curved. Rings of Saturn are created like rainbows are on earth - rainbows on earth do not mean that the earth is round
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/saturn.jpg (https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/saturn.jpg)
What a breath taking photograph that is. That is 83 times the size of our own planet! And is currently 1.6 Billion kilometres away from us.
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It's easy to direct someone to some other website where reasons can be found. However, mike tesko, you are ignoring my questions about the predictability of eclipses of the moon and sun. How come such predictions are accurate, given that they're based on both the sun and moon being very far away? I am not avoiding answering any questions about the predictability of eclipes of the moon and sun. These calculations can be easily worked out in a flat earth model with a domed firmament. All that is required is predicted movement around, inside and above the firmament by the sun and the moon and the angles at which they appear to occupy the same part of the firmament, or as the case may be opposite to one another, or at right angles to eachother, thus creating the eclipse effect, partial eclipse effect, new moon, full moon, etc...
Regarding airliners turning upside down, you haven't explained why that's difficult to believe. This simply cannot be true! Since, at each degree around the circumference of a globed earth model, there would have to be the potential for aeroplanes, its passengers, etc to be upside down in relation to say someone on the exact opposite side of the globe model, whilst below them people on the earth directly below the aeroplane and its passengers and crew, would view the plane, its passengers and its crew as being the right way up! Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time! Rather interestingly, when planets are said to go into apparent retrograde motion, some aeroplanes, its passengers and crew would actually have to be travelling backwards as well as appearing the right way up, or in or at the upside down modeIt would be hard to believe if you thought it meant that the passengers would fall out of their seats. I am saying that passengers would know if the plane they were flying in, and their own bodies had flipped upside down, or sideways on, or back to the right way up, if such a phenomena occurred, in the same way that if you were travelling in a motor vehicle along a road, and the car suddenly went into a spin, and rolled over and over until it eventually came to a standstill either coming to a halt upside down, sideways on, or on all four wheels. A passenger in such a vehicle accident would experience the turning around of the vehicle they were in, and the fact that their own body had rotated etc, etc... However, the passengers would also have turned upside down, so they wouldn't notice any change. The ground in, say, New Zealand faces roughly the opposite direction from the ground in England, so the "upside down" airliner can land "upside down" without any problem. A change or an alteration of perspective would be detecable in the human brain of individuals where such phenomena was occurring, I don't believe such activity would be unnoticeable. It is full of contradictions and is problematic. Take for example, two aeroplanes in the same part of the firmament, one flying east to west, the other flying west to east, they fly past eachother within half a mile of eachother on the event horizon. Lets say that the pilots of each of these planes can see the other plane heading towards their general position and altitude from as far away as say 15 miles or whatever? At what point would the pilot of aeroplane (a) see aeroplane (b) or vice versa, upside down, sideways on, or the right way up along the on coming flight path? As they pass eachother and it were posssible to record a visual image or images of the other plane hurtling away from their own (or vice versa) position in the firmameent, at what stage would it appear to one pilot, or the other, that either the aeroplane they were flying had started to turn upside down, or sideways on, or that the other plane had started to turn on its side, or to flip upside down, and maybe even appear to be travelling backwards, sideways on, upside down or the right way up? Its just unworkable, unimaginable, and borders on an alternative reality, where up could be down, right could be left, or vice versa at one and the same moment!
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I am not avoiding answering any questions about the predictability of eclipses of the moon and sun. These calculations can be easily worked out in a flat earth model with a domed firmament. All that is required is predicted movement around, inside and above the firmament by the sun and the moon and the angles at which they appear to occupy the same part of the firmament, or as the case may be opposite to one another, or at right angles to each other, thus creating the eclipse effect, partial eclipse effect, new moon, full moon, etc...
That is avoiding answering my question. I didn't ask you about predicting anything using a flat earth model. I asked how come very accurate predictions of eclipses are possible based on a model in which the sun and moon are at great distances from earth, given your assertion that the sun and moon aren't at great distances from earth.
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That is avoiding answering my question. I didn't ask you about predicting anything using a flat earth model. I asked how come very accurate predictions of eclipses are possible based on a model in which the sun and moon are at great distances from earth, given your assertion that the sun and moon aren't at great distances from earth.
A pefectly simple explanation springs to mind, for example, with the sun and the moon much closer to the earth than we're being told the distances betweeen them and the earth at different times, angles, trajectories, etc, produced inside (the moon) and outside (the sun) the edge of the firmament, is simply a microcosm calculation of a flat earth model which gets presented and transformed into a macrocosm of the universe as if the earth is a globe model with the sun at the centre of the universe that we and the other planets exist in, all moving around the sun, some planets moving around the sun at different rates of speed and trajectories. In the flat earth model, the earth remains static, and what are known to us as the planets and the stars revolve around us, chiefly beyond the outer edge of the firmament, with the exception of the moon which undoubtedly revolves around the inside edge of the firmament! The moons journey in its so called lunar cycle influences the hide tide and the low tides of the seas, etc...
It doesn't matter how close the sun and the moon are from the earths surface, since the movement of these will always be measureable because their position in the sky is set by longditude and latitude co-ordinations, and inclinations in flight!
All that is required to try and make it appear that a flat earth model is really a globe earth model, is to apply the microcosm /macrocosm principles, which allows the sun and the moon to be much further away from the earth than they are in reality!
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Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time!
Yes, but putting the words "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence and ending that sentence with an exclamation mark doesn't imply that the situation is impossible.
A change or an alteration of perspective would be detectable in the human brain of individuals where such phenomena were occurring, I don't believe such activity would be unnoticeable.
The change of orientation during a passenger's flight in an airliner occurs gradually throughout the flight, so it isn't particularly noticeable. If, however, a passenger can see the night sky during during their flight, they can deduce their change of orientation from the changes in position of the star constellations that they see.
In your example of planes approaching each other and about 15 miles apart, their difference in orientation would be about 0.2 degrees, and this would gradually reduce to zero degrees in the one minute (roughly) that the planes take to "meet". This change would certainly be noticeable using sensitive instruments, but would be too gradual to be particularly noticeable to the unaided eyes.
In the flat earth model, the earth remains static, and what are known to us as the planets and the stars revolve around us, chiefly beyond the outer edge of the firmament, with the exception of the moon which undoubtedly revolves around the inside edge of the firmament!
In that model, how far away from earth are the moon, the sun, the firmament and the stars? Also, what are the diameters (approximately) of the earth and the moon, and why does the moon appear to be extensively cratered?
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What a breath taking photograph that is. That is 83 times the size of our own planet!
I think you'll find that the photograph is a lot smaller than our planet earth.
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Yes, but putting the words "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence and ending that sentence with an exclamation mark doesn't imply that the situation is impossible. from 'a perspective stance' it would..
The change of orientation during a passenger's flight in an airliner occurs gradually throughout the flight, so it isn't particularly noticeable. The event horizon would flip.. If, however, a passenger can see the night sky during during their flight, they can deduce their change of orientation from the changes in position of the star constellations that they see. As I say, the event horizon would flip and continue to flip further and further, but no-one to my knowlege has ever reported such a phenomena - and because we are led to believe that the globe of earth rotates at a rate of 1000 MPH, in the example given where two aeroplanes are hurtling toward one another going in opposite directions, and because of the spin of the world (depending also on the inclination / angle that the earth supposedly spins on its own axis) the speeds of each plane would have to be different since one plane might be travelling along in the direction of spin, whereas the other might be travelling in the opposite direction of that spin. As far as I know, there is no evidence that such drastic measures have occurred involving two aeroplanes crossing the same part of the sky going in opposite directions..
In your example of planes approaching each other and about 15 miles apart, their difference in orientation would be about 0.2 degrees, and this would gradually reduce to zero degrees in the one minute (roughly) that the planes take to "meet". There would have to be a flip in the event horizon as viewed by passengers in one plane, as oppose to the the view of the event horizon as viewed by passengers in the other plane...This change would certainly be noticeable using sensitive instruments, We will never know, because the earth is not a globe, its primarily flat...but would be too gradual to be particularly noticeable to the unaided eyes.It would be unnoticeable because it doesn't in fact happen...
In that model, how far away from earth are the moon, (Not as far as we are being told, that's for sure), the sun, (again, not as far as we are being led to believe), the firmament I would say that the inner edge of the firmament would be earth side of the van allen radiation belt, and that the outer edge of the firmanent stretches to the outer edge of the outer van allen radiation belt and the stars? What we perceive to be the stars, could be something to do with the van allen belt itself. The stars are not suns like our own around which is orbitting other planets and other moons, etc, I think that what we are perceiving as stars in the night sky, has something to do with electro - magnetism that occurs within, or just outside the van allen radiation belt..Also, what are the diameters (approximately) of the earth and the moon, and why does the moon appear to be extensively cratered? The moon operates and functions on the earth side of the inner van allen radiation belt. The crators of the moon can be explained as a possible reflection of the under belly of the flat earth which gets projected above the event horizon...
The phases of the moon, are created by the intereaction of a third body in the firmament known to some as the dark sun, which passes at regular intervals between the flat earth and the moon...
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https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-10
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from 'a perspective stance' it would...
No, it wouldn't, because my point was about sentence structure. The particular situation you used was of aeroplanes on opposite sides of the globe. You may have meant that this situation is impossible because the planes don't have the same orientation, but merely putting "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence isn't a valid way of showing impossibility. In the globe model, the "down" direction is towards the centre of gravity of the earth, so it's not contradictory that it's different on opposite sides of the earth. It's different for observers at the same altitude who are 15 miles apart, and this difference, of roughly 0.2 degrees, can easily be measured.
The event horizon would flip. . . . As I say, the event horizon would flip and continue to flip further and further, but no-one to my knowledge has ever reported such a phenomena.
Numerous people have effectively noticed this by noticing that the local time has changed during a long journey (after taking into account the duration of the journey).
. . . we are led to believe that the globe of earth rotates at a rate of 1000 MPH, in the example given where two aeroplanes are hurtling toward one another going in opposite directions, . . .
You don't need such a dramatic circumstance to notice the earth's spin. Set a long, heavy pendulum (with a near-frictionless suspension that allows rotation) in motion, taking great care that it's initial direction is directly towards its stable "at rest" position. This is routinely done each day in London. The direction of swing of the pendulum gradually changes by almost exactly the amount that would be expected due to the spin of the earth that you mentioned.
There would have to be a flip in the event horizon as viewed by passengers in one plane, as opposed to the view of the event horizon as viewed by passengers in the other plane.
The word "flip" suggests a sudden change, but a very gradual change wouldn't be particularly noticeable. There's nothing really sudden for the passengers to observe, other than that if they look directly towards the other aeroplane, they will need to turn their heads suddenly as the other aeroplane passes them (assuming the aeroplanes don't collide).
Not as far as we are being told, that's for sure
How come you can't provide specific sizes for the earth, sun and moon at least? The flat earth model is no better than vague speculation if that can't be done.
The craters of the moon can be explained as a possible reflection of the underbelly of the flat earth which gets projected above the event horizon.
Projected onto the moon? By what? Where is the projector? Without a detailed explanation, this is again just vague speculation, and why would the underside of the earth be cratered anyway?
The phases of the moon, are created by the interaction of a third body in the firmament known to some as the dark sun, which passes at regular intervals between the flat earth and the moon.
There's no "dark sun" in the round earth model, so how come that model accurately predicts the phases of the moon?
How do you account for the observed movements of the planets in relation to the stars?
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No, it wouldn't, because my point was about sentence structure. The particular situation you used was of aeroplanes on opposite sides of the globe. Which on a globe model, the two aeroplanes would be upside down to eachotherYou may have meant that this situation is impossible because the planes don't have the same orientation, but merely putting "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence isn't a valid way of showing impossibility. Yet, you understood the point I was making... In the globe model, the "down" direction is towards the centre of gravity of the earth, I don't think that the science of gravity adequately accounts for what I am talking about, since in the flat earth model, down is towards the surface of the flat earth..so it's not contradictory that it's different on opposite sides of the earth. It is if what I am talking about is not gravity..It's different for observers at the same altitude who are 15 miles apart, If the two aeroplanes in my example were hurtling toward eachother, east to west, or vice versa, or north to south vice versa, in the flat ezarth model, as opposed to a globe earth model,why would each aeroplane be travelling at the same rate of speed, if one was flying with the rotation of the earth as in the globe model, as opposed to one flying against the direction of rotation? Surely, there would be a noticeable rate of speed in relation to one of these two aeroplanes, incremented by as much as much as up to 1000 MPH? and this difference, of roughly 0.2 degrees, can easily be measured.
Numerous people have effectively noticed this by noticing that the local time has changed during a long journey (after taking into account the duration of the journey). Time is a manmade concept...
You don't need such a dramatic circumstance to notice the earth's spin. It doesn't spin, its a lie... You would do, if the earth were a globe and spinning on its axis at 1000MPH...Set a long, heavy pendulum (with a near-frictionless suspension that allows rotation) in motion, Can't be true... taking great care that it's initial direction is directly towards its stable "at rest" position. The earth is always at rest, the sun, the moon, the planets and the stars rotate around the flat earth model, in particular the North star...This is routinely done each day in London. Its a lie, they are deceiving everybody... The direction of swing of the pendulum gradually changes by almost exactly the amount that would be expected due to the spin of the earth that you mentioned. The pendulum you mention is just another way of trying to incorporate the influence of gravity...
The word "flip" suggests a sudden change, the use of the word 'flip' is intended to expose the lie but a very gradual change wouldn't be particularly noticeable. The further someone travelled in an aeroplane in any one direction, would impose this noticeability as I say the further anyone flew around the world in an aeroplane...There's nothing really sudden for the passengers to observe, Exactly, its imaginary, and cannot possibly be true...other than that if they look directly towards the other aeroplane, they will need to turn their heads suddenly as the other aeroplane passes them (assuming the aeroplanes don't collide). No, at some point prior to both planes passing eachother without colliding, both planes and its passengers will be aware of the event horizon flipping, from up to down, or from down to up, or from the right to the left, or from the left to the right..
How come you can't provide specific sizes for the earth, sun and moon at least? I haven't measured then personally, but I could repeat what I have learned about which to me makes more sense than the nonsense of the earth being a globe model with the sun, the moon, and the planets and the stars supposedly moving around the sun...The flat earth model is no better than vague speculation if that can't be done. The sizes can be estimated accurately...
Projected onto the moon? There are no craters on the surface of the moon and nobody will ever be able to prove that there is...By what? Reflection, akin to an constant mirage... Where is the projector? it occurs due to the domed earth, the underside of the flat earth, and magnetic effects connected with the firmamennt, van allens belt, and the relationship between the sun and the moon, interjected by the third so called dark sun... Without a detailed explanation, this is again just vague speculation, Anyone claiming that the earth is a globe is simply speculating...and why would the underside of the earth be cratered anyway? I have no idea...
There's no "dark sun" in the round earth model, I know, but there is in the flat earth model...so how come that model accurately predicts the phases of the moon? because of the angles between (a) the sun, (b) the moon, and (c) the dark sun, which is repeated in a cycle...
How do you account for the observed movements of the planets in relation to the stars?
I will give you my response in due course...
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1. You claimed impossibility for a hypothetical situation in the globe model, but attempted to explain your point by reference to the flat earth model. Saying "the two aeroplanes would be upside down to each other" isn't identifying anything impossible in the globe model. Similarly, you objected to my definition of the "down" direction in the globe model by referring to the corresponding definition in the flat earth model. Suggesting that the globe model is wrong simply because something is defined differently in the flat earth model is invalid reasoning.
2. You asserted "It is if what I am talking about is not gravity". That doesn't make sense, as I was making the simple geometrical point that "down" in the globe model refers to the direction of a point inside the earth known as the earth's centre of gravity, which geometrically explains why the "down" direction for one place on the surface of the earth can be directly opposed to the "down" direction for another place on the surface of the earth in the globe model.
3. You asserted "It doesn't spin, it's a lie. . . . Can't be true" and "It's a lie, they are deceiving everybody" without giving any evidence of deception. You also wrote "The pendulum you mention is just another way of trying to incorporate the influence of gravity", but that isn't a valid justification for asserting "It's a lie" or "Can't be true".
4. You asserted that the use of the word "flip" was intended to expose the lie. That's invalid reasoning - choosing a particular word doesn't expose a lie, especially if the word's meaning isn't clearly explained. You asserted "it's imaginary and cannot possibly be true", but gave no reasons why and didn't explain what you were referring to as imaginary.
5. You referred to "the nonsense of the earth being a globe model with the sun, the moon, and the planets and the stars supposedly moving around the sun." The globe model doesn't require that the stars are moving round the sun. Anyone can observe the stars moving round in the night sky. What is that apparent motion attributed to in the flat earth model? What evidence exists for that attribution in the flat earth model?
6. You asserted "its passengers will be aware of the event horizon flipping", but didn't explain what exactly they would notice (other than a gradual change in the night sky).
7. You agree that there is no "dark sun" in the round earth model, but nevertheless refer to the "dark sun" of the flat earth model when asked to account for the accuracy of the round earth model's predictions of the phases of the moon. You haven't provided or linked to any evidence that a "dark sun" exists anywhere near the moon.
8. A flat earth model implies that part of the "edge" of the earth would be visible to someone who flies far enough in any particular direction (not just towards the south pole). However, many people have circumnavigated the earth (travelling in various directions) without noticing the earth's edge at all.
9. In the flat earth model, how come various star constellations visible from England aren't visible from Australia?
10. I asked about the sizes of the earth, sun and moon. You asserted that these sizes can be estimated accurately. If that's the case, please refer to where I can read such estimates that have been produced by proponents of the flat earth model, and that you would accept as reasonably accurate.
11. How come it isn't possible to see very distant parts of earth from any high vantage point on earth? Shouldn't that be possible if the earth is approximately flat?
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1. You claimed impossibility for a hypothetical situation in the globe model, but attempted to explain your point by reference to the flat earth model. in an earth globe model, the idea that people, animals, insects, birds, fish motor vehicles, aeroplanes and boats, can function or operate upside down, and sideways on to other people, animals, insects, birds, fish, motor vehicles, aeroplanes and boats located at other points around the globe seems somewhat illogical and unworkable!Saying "the two aeroplanes would be upside down to each other" isn't identifying anything impossible in the globe model. if the earth was a globe, and you had two planes, one travelling from point 'A' to point 'B', the other travelling from point 'B' to point 'A' flying non collisional flight paths, and they were both flying at the same high altitude as one another, and due to the imaginary curvature of the earth, the further away from one another these planes are, it should be possible to see one or the other plane travelling upside down and sideways on to the position of the observer from inside the other plane, and vice versa, until both planes meet up in the same part of the sky at which stage both aeroplanes and their crews and passengers will be upright albeit travelling in opposite direction! Once they cross paths, and if it were possible to keep tabs so to speak, on the other retreating aeroplane, and those on that other aeroplane be able to keep tabs on the other, both aeroplanes would start to flip either right or left, until after a while (if it were possible to be able to see) each plane would be upside down to one another! Similarly, you objected to my definition of the "down" direction in the globe model by referring to the corresponding definition in the flat earth model. Suggesting that the globe model is wrong simply because something is defined differently in the flat earth model is invalid reasoning. Of course it's valid reasoning - let's look at another example to try and clarify how problematic the unworkable globe earth model is, as compared to the flat earth one? We have four people standing at 'north', 'South', 'east' and 'west' at the extremities of each model (the greatest distance between all parties both in a global earth versus a flat earth model! Let's deal with the earth is a globe version of events - direction 'north' would always remain 'north' if that person kept going round and around the circumference of the global earth! In the same way, and in respect of the other three persons, one traveling 'South', the other 'east' and lastly the one travelling 'west', all of them if they kept moving in a straight line would retain their orientation at local level! It would not be a case of say the person stood at position 'north' would suddenly know he / she was no longer travelling 'north' by the time that person arrived 180° on the opposite side of the globe, but was by that stage, travelling 'South' without having to turn around to face the direction whence they came from! Now, consider a similar scenario only this time we are dealing with a flat earth model which is encapsulated by Antarctica! Each person in this example, can only travel so far 'North', 'South', 'East' or 'West', as soon as they hit the ice barrier that is Antarctica, they have to do an about turn, consisting of 180°, and then retrace their route back, they would then know that the person who had been travelling 'north' was no longer travelling 'north', but instead, was travelling 'South'! The person travelling 'South', would find themselves travelling 'North', the person who had been travelling 'east' would find themselves travelling 'West', and that person who had been travelling 'west', would find themselves travelling 'east'! The globe earth module is problematic because when traveling 'north' and you kept on going right around the globe you would end up travelling South as part of your journey, whereas, on a flat earth model you can only travel north, south, east or west, unless you do an about turn! In the flat earth model direction of travel is restricted by Antarctica. A traveller has to change direction and deviate from the line of travel...
In the earth is a globe model, and it revolves around the sun as claimed, this would impact upon the claim that the centre of gravity is located in the centre of the earth. If the sun were the centre of our universe and the globe earth and all the planets revolved around the sun, the centre of gravity on earth would be dependant upon the position of the sun both day and night in relation to the angle of the earth, but we find that on the earth is a globe model this does not appear to be the case!
In the flat earth model, the earth remains static, and the sun, the moon, and all the planets and stars rotate in the firmament around the 'north Star'.
In many ways, it makes one think that there could well be a tenuous link between the earth is a globe and gravity is at the heart of the earth, and in the flat earth model that the sun, the moon, the planets and a multitude of stars which rotates around 'the north Star'...
2. You asserted "It is if what I am talking about is not gravity". That doesn't make sense, as I was making the simple geometrical point that "down" in the globe model refers to the direction of a point inside the earth known as the earth's centre of gravity, and yet, if in the earth is a globe model, the earth itself, and every other planet in our known universe travels around the sun on its daily journey, surely somewhere toward the centre of the sun would command the elusive mantle of the gravitational force? Oh which geometrically explains why the "down" direction for one place on the surface of the earth can be directly opposed to the "down" direction for another place on the surface of the earth in the globe model.No, it wouldn't since if everything moved around the sun as in a global earth module, it could not possibly involve a gravitational core at the heart of the earth,
3. You asserted "It doesn't spin, it's a lie. . . . Can't be true" and "It's a lie, they are deceiving everybody" without giving any evidence of deception. if the earth was spinning at around 1000 MPH we would all know about it, and far less energy would need to be used up, to travel across the earth in the direction of the earth's spin, than say in conducting a journey against the direction of the earth's spin... You also wrote "The pendulum you mention is just another way of trying to incorporate the influence of gravity", but that isn't a valid justification for asserting "It's a lie" or "Can't be true". if I am saying that then it is a justifiable reason to me. When something is true you don't necessarily need a reason to believe it's true, since not having or giving a reason does not make what the true is any less reliable...j
4. You asserted that the use of the word "flip" was intended to expose the lie. That's invalid reasoning - choosing a particular word doesn't expose a lie, especially if the word's meaning isn't clearly explained. You asserted "it's imaginary and cannot possibly be true", but gave no reasons why and didn't explain what you were referring to as imaginary. use of the word 'flip' is self-evident in my account, since a person, an animal, an insect, a bird, a fish, an aeroplane, a motor vehicle and a boat, cannot be both the right way up, and upside down, or sideways on, this way and that way, at one and the same time! My reference to all these things being imaginary is self-explanatory...
5. You referred to "the nonsense of the earth being a globe model with the sun, the moon, and the planets and the stars supposedly moving around the sun." The globe model doesn't require that the stars are moving round the sun. Anyone can observe the stars moving round in the night sky. What is that apparent motion attributed to in the flat earth model? What evidence exists for that attribution in the flat earth model? In the flat earth module, the sun, the moon, the planets and the stars revolve around a static earth with the 'north star' also appearing fixed in the firmament! If the earth were a globe module how should the 'north star' appear to any observer on a spinning earth system?.
6. You asserted "its passengers will be aware of the event horizon flipping", but didn't explain what exactly they would notice (other than a gradual change in the night sky). If the earth were a globe module that spins at 1000 MPH, and two plane loads of passengers flew across the earth's axis at an acute angle approaching 'it' not only would its passengers perceive the 'Flip' of the oncoming aeroplane, but the velocity of the planes flight upon meeting up with the angle of the earth's axis would lead to a near certain explosion,
akin to the way a heavy goods vehicle hitting the central reservation barrier would lead to certain tragedy!
7. You agree that there is no "dark sun" in the round earth model, because the earth is not a globe module! but nevertheless refer to the "dark sun" of the flat earth model when asked to account for the accuracy of the round earth model's predictions of the phases of the moon. The phases of the moon can be calculated because of the movement of the sun, the moon and the dark sun in the flat earth module..You haven't provided or linked to any evidence that a "dark sun" exists anywhere near the moon. the dark sun exists in the firmament above the flat earth between the moon and the sun.
This helps explain the eclipses of the moon, etc...
8. A flat earth model implies that part of the "edge" of the earth would be visible to someone who flies far enough in any particular direction (not just towards the south pole). However, many people have circumnavigated the earth (travelling in various directions) without noticing the earth's edge at all.Airline routes do not extend far enough in any one direct to enable any passenger an opportunity to see the outer edge of the flat earth...
9. In the flat earth model, how come various star constellations visible from England aren't visible from Australia? That's because the sun only illuminates part of the flat earth at any one time creating day light! In contrast, on those parts of the earth not illuminated by the sun, the stars rotate around the 'north star'! Someone in say Australia at midnight would not be able to see star constellations visible in day light at say midday, in London because it's impossible for star constellations visible in a dark part of the earth's sky,
also in the lighter parts of the earth's sky, at one and the same time...
10. I asked about the sizes of the earth, sun and moon. You asserted that these sizes can be estimated accurately. If that's the case, please refer to where I can read such estimates that have been produced by proponents of the flat earth model, and that you would accept as reasonably accurate. Try the internet, and You Tube'...
11. How come it isn't possible to see very distant parts of earth from any high vantage point on earth? Shouldn't that be possible if the earth is approximately flat? 'unfortunately human eye sight has its limitations! Tests have shown that by using powerful camera lenses and telescopes that buildings, islands and ships which from the vantage point of a beach which appear to have disappeared over the distant arisen, are brought back into view with the aid of equipment of the type mentioned! If the earth was a globe and something had disappeared over the horizon, how can it be at all possible to retrieve sight of the vanished artifact or whatever, simply by improving your ability to be able to see much further than you can see, unaided?
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Hmm. There are huge difficulties involved is simply quoting the thoughts/words/work of others unless one has, at the very least, a working knowledge -understanding- of what it is they're saying. A lack of such knowledge means that one is unable to fully and accurately answer any questions which may arise from quoting, possibly leading one into unchartered waters and floundering.
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The ring around Saturn is like a rainbow on earth? lol
Mike you are not being serious.
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This thread is crap. get over it.
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Reader how about this?
(https://i.imgur.com/UCMTkQy.gif)
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. . . seems somewhat illogical and unworkable!
You've shifted your ground, then. Previously, you said it was impossible. Aeroplanes in "level flight" noticeably change their orientation in relation to the stars and in relation to each other. By observing the stars during a long night flight, passengers can easily detect that their orientation is changing.
. . . it should be possible to see one or the other plane travelling upside down and sideways on to the position of the observer from inside the other plane, and vice versa.
It is possible for them to see orientation differences. However, a distant aeroplane may be "below the horizon" from the point of view of another aeroplane, which doesn't make sense in a flat earth model for aeroplanes flying at high altitude. In the globe model, this limits the extent of a directly noticeable difference in orientation.
Of course it's valid reasoning.
No, it's not. You didn't explain why it's valid; instead, you introduced another example. If it's valid in the original case, it can be explained for that case. Introducing another example is just avoiding the issue, especially when that new example doesn't have the key features of the original case.
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Thanks for the animation, David1819. I'll have to practise jumping in the line and rocking my body in time.
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You've shifted your ground, then. Previously, you said it was impossible. Aeroplanes in "level flight" noticeably change their orientation in relation to the stars and in relation to each other. By observing the stars during a long night flight, passengers can easily detect that their orientation is changing.don't change my words, or my meanings, I can think for myself, and speak for myself!
It is possible for them to see orientation differences. these are your words, not mine... However, a distant aeroplane may be "below the horizon" from the point of view of another aeroplane, which doesn't make sense in a flat earth model for aeroplanes flying at high altitude. in this example that your giving, an aeroplane in a flat earth module can never sink below any horizon, what's at play is the range of eye sight by an observer! This can be improved with aids which serve to bring unseen things back into visibility!In the globe model, this limits the extent of a directly noticeable difference in orientation.
No, it's not. You didn't explain why it's valid; instead, you introduced another example. If it's valid in the original case, it can be explained for that case. no, it can't... Introducing another example is just avoiding the issue, no, it's not, you are simply attempting to make something out of nothingespecially when that new example doesn't have the key features of the original case. it's not my problem that you can't understand what I said originally...
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This thread is crap. get over it.
This thread is brilliant...
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Most of the population have been brainwashed by the powers that be...
When somebody comes along to point out the errors of their way, the population at large result to bullshit tactics to try and belittle a particular thinker!
I will leave 'these braindead individuals' to their own intellectual capacity - those who are totally indoctrinated into the powers that be, criteria...
Some people are thinkers, some are wankers...
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A NASA Expert, claims that the moon rotates around the earth twice as fast as the earth is supposed to travel around the sun...
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A NASA Expert, claims that the moon rotates around the earth twice as fast as the earth is supposed to travel around the sun...
Oh, what are we dealing with here?
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The police and the CPS do lie and fabricate to enable them to present their case in court in the best possible scenario...
I have been a direct victim of this type of corruption - what they did to me resulted in the disbanding of the No.3 Regional Crime Squad. They made false witness statements, they made false reports, they banked on the dishonesty of the CPS, and the local judiciary - but I never wavered, I stuck to my guns, I pursued the lot of these / those lying evil bastards who hid behind the badge...
I came back to haunt them, and I will continue to haunt the lot of them...
Stick with me if you are really interested in the absolute truth, cops hate me, CPS hates me, the judiciary hates me, but hey guess what, 'I love myself'...
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In a nutshell, the earth is more likely to be relatively flat, as opposed to being a globe module...
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Mike, you wrote "Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time!"
I asserted that putting the words "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence and ending that sentence with an exclamation mark doesn't imply that the situation is impossible.
Your reply to that was "from 'a perspective stance' it would".
Should your sentence "Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time!" be interpreted using that stance? If not, why did you mention it?
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A NASA Expert, claims that the moon rotates around the earth twice as fast as the earth is supposed to travel around the sun...
You're slightly misquoting him. However, what he said was poorly worded. His exact words are immaterial, but it's easy to understand what he meant.
As the equator is roughly 25,000 miles long, someone on the equator is being carried round the earth (due to the earth's rotation) at roughly 1040 mph on average.
The moon's orbit is roughly 1,500,000 miles long and one orbit takes nearly 4 weeks, so the moon's orbital speed is about 2288 mph on average, which is somewhat more than double 1040 mph. Describing this as "twice as fast" in casual conversation is acceptable. However, I don't know the wider context in which the remark was made, and possibly this comparison, though roughly correct, wasn't appropriate in relation to what the NASA guy was trying to explain.
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Mike, you wrote "Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time!" but not physically the right way up and the wrong way up from one person's perspective, the key understanding being that right and wrong in this concept requiring at least two different perspectives, or more - if we use a clear glass ball as representing the globe earth module, and we position two people 'north' and 'south' at 180° a part on the same plane, and two other people at 'East' and 'West' on a plane at a 90° angle in / to the first example (gravity being located at the centre of the clear glass ball). Now, in an imaginary situation, of let's say a person being at the hub of gravity looking outward at the various locations / points of interest ('north', 'south', 'east' and 'west') he sees the following orientation if at the hub he is standing upright with his head facing 'north' and his feet toward 'south' - the person stood at 'north' is standing upright or the right way up; the person standing at the position 'south' is standing upside down; the person standing at the 'east' position is standing sideways on, with their feet closest to the hub and can be said to be standing left to right; the fourth person standing sideways on, with their feet closest to the hub of the earth and can be said to be standing right to left. This would be the reality of the situation from the persons perspective at the hub of the earth!
However, the orientation of the person at 'north', 'south', 'east' and 'west' would be different if the person at the hub was standing upside down, or sideways on ('west' to 'east'), or sideways on ('east' to 'west')! The possible orientation of people standing at 'north', 'south', 'east', 'west' and at 'the hub' itself would be countless and variable in a world where any person could be standing the right way up, upside down, sideways on, and sideways on, at one and the same time from someone else's perspective...
The imaginary orientations could not all apply to the perspective of the person standing at 'north', 'south', ' east' 'west' or at 'the hub', at one and the same time, therefore, be right and wrong at one and the same time in a earth is a globe module! Of course there is no such complication in a flat earth module, since everyone no matter where they were standing in relation to any other person, or number of other people, would all be deemed to be standing upright along with everybody else who would also be standing upright
I asserted that putting the words "right" and "wrong" in the same sentence and ending that sentence with an exclamation mark doesn't imply that the situation is impossible. it does for a person, an object or a thing in one place on any event horizon for that persons, that object, or that things perspective!
Your reply to that was "from 'a perspective stance' it would".
Should your sentence "Things would be the right way up and the wrong way up at one and the same time!" be interpreted using that stance? If not, why did you mention it? from a single person's perspective, his orientation could not be 'the right way up', 'upside down', 'sideways on', (this way), 'sideways on' (that way)at one and the same time!
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if at the hub he is standing upright with his head facing 'north' and his feet toward 'south'
In the globe model, "down" and "up" refer to the directions directly towards and away from the hub (centre of gravity) of the globe, and therefore depend on where the observer is, rather than being the same for all observers, so you have to provide some arbitrary definition (as you did) of "upright" for a hypothetical observer positioned at the hub. It's easy to see that nothing impossible or even strange is occurring in the globe module. You just get minor complications of wording when you describe a bunch of observers at different locations. If two such observers arrive at the same location, their "up" and "down" directions match.
In the globe model, a person standing on the equator "flips over" once per day from the point of view of some imaginary observer who isn't rotating with the earth. From the point of view of the person on the equator, they haven't flipped at all, but the sun, moon and stars seem to be rotating round them. Neither observer has any reason to assert that the globe model is impossible or implausible. However, such observers might prefer to say that they are rotating with the earth, and also with respect to each other. There's nothing illogical or absurd about that, especially in the hypothetical situation of the earth being transparent.
You've yet to explain what people are seeing in the sky when they directly observe the International Space Station (which anyone can do). On the next occasion when there's a clear sky, why not look out for it yourself?
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How about just keeping things simple to start with.
On a conventional flat map, the USA lies to the West of England and Russia lies to the East. Is this correct?
Importantly, do you believe that the USA and Russia are only separated by approx. 51 miles by the Bering Strait? Or has this been made up?
Or if they are separated by only approx. 51 miles, how can this be possible in a flat earth model?
Maybe I should blame my Geography teachers for my apparent ignorance!
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In the globe model, "down" and "up" refer to the directions directly towards and away from the hub (centre of gravity) of the globe, and therefore depend on where the observer is, rather than being the same for all observers, so you have to provide some arbitrary definition (as you did) of "upright" for a hypothetical observer positioned at the hub. There is no such need for a hypothetical observer in the flat earth module, where 'up' and 'Down' apply to all observers no matter where they might be on the flat earths stage!It's easy to see that nothing impossible or even strange is occurring in the globe module. but, that's just the point, non of this phenomenon can be detectable in an earth is a globe module, it's all hypothetical, with no way of proving that people on the opposite side of the world in a globe earth module stand, walk and live upside down, or that other people standing, operate and live sideways on (in one direction or another)! In a flat earth module, no such hypothetical scenario falls to be considered... You just get minor complications of wording when you describe a bunch of observers at different locations. I accept that / this... If two such observers arrive at the same location, their "up" and "down" directions match. yes, as they do in the flat earth module, but with the added reassurance that even when two such observers do not meet up at the same location, both observers have the exact same 'up' and 'down' orientation! In the globe model, a person standing on the equator "flips over" once per day from the point of view of some imaginary observer who isn't rotating with the earth. In contrast, in a flat earth module, no-one 'flips' or rotates on a spinning earth...From the point of view of the person on the equator, they haven't flipped at all, because they can't physically 'flip' and don't physically 'flip' in a flat earth module.. but the sun, moon and stars seem to be rotating round them. that is, because they are as per the flat earth module.. Neither observer has any reason to assert that the globe model is impossible or implausible. because it is not..However, such observers might prefer to say that they are rotating with the earth, and also with respect to each other. The earth is not a globe that spins at around 1000 MPH upon its axis! It can't be true, people, animals, insects, birds, fish, aeroplanes, motor cars, and boats, cannot possibly exist, operate or function in different orientations upon the surface of the earth! The earth is static, it was created by God in this way according to scripture. It's static, and the great lights (sun and the moon) rotate above the earth in and around the firmament which cause daylight hours, and hours of darkness upon different areas of the flat earth, the sun, the moon and the other planets and star constellations rotate with precise accuracy around 'the north Star' which is fixed in the firmament! There's nothing illogical or absurd about that, especially in the hypothetical situation of the earth being transparent. But, that's just the thing, insofar as the earth being formed in the image of a globe module, everything is far from being transparent, whereas, adopting the flat earth module ticks all the boxes of logic and truth... You've yet to explain what people are seeing in the sky when they directly observe the International Space Station (which anyone can do). One thing is self evident, and this must be that the ISS is simply rotating above the static earth as in the flat earth module, round and round, just like the sun, the moon, and planets, and stars rotate around the 'north star' in the firmament...On the next occasion when there's a clear sky, why not look out for it yourself? I shall try to...
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I don't recall that God's word provides lectures in astrophysics -nor do I have recall of Him having said that the world spins on it's axis at 1000 mph -certainly no one here has. Perhaps it's just that those who wrote down his words had no understanding of it.
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I am very interested in some moon video footage which appears to show star constellation behind the surface of the moon, as if the moon itself might not be a solid body of evidence...
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I am also bemused by the fact that in daylight images where the moon has been captured in the day time sky, that it is against a background of blue sky?
I thought it was dark in space?
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Oh, and then there are occasions where we have the moon (in whatever phase) in the same region of the sky with the sun close by in that part of the sky?
I thought the earth contributed to the shape of the moon out in the so called space?
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Fuck sakes it's round. Can you name another planet that's flat?
Lets get rid of this stupid thread.
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And, then there is also the fact that in some video footage of the moon in the sky, clouds have been to pass in front and behind the moon?
How can that be true...
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Fuck sakes it's round. Can you name another planet that's flat?
Lets get rid of this stupid thread.
No, its not round, as you put it, its fundamentally flat...
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No, its not round, as you put it, its fundamentally flat...
You're right. It's ellipsoid.
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If any of u have got the patience and the time, check this out...
(1) - https://youtu.be/SfY3DvPuj_I
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There is no such need for a hypothetical observer in the flat earth module
There's no need in the globe model either - it was you that chose to include it in your example.
. . . with no way of proving that people on the opposite side of the world in a globe earth module stand, walk and live upside down
It's easily proved by observations of the night sky. Their daytime is your night-time and vice-versa. In a flat earth model, why would that be?
The earth is not a globe that spins at around 1000 MPH upon its axis! It can't be true, people, animals, insects, birds, fish, aeroplanes, motor cars, and boats, cannot possibly exist, operate or function in different orientations upon the surface of the earth!
You're stating that without giving any reasons, and ignoring the fact that their orientations locally would normally be consistent.
. . . the great lights (sun and the moon) rotate above the earth in and around the firmament which cause daylight hours, and hours of darkness upon different areas of the flat earth.
When the sun is high in the sky, why doesn't the sunlight reach all of the earth simultaneously if the earth is flat?
. . . the sun, the moon and the other planets and star constellations rotate with precise accuracy around 'the north Star' which is fixed in the firmament!
That's untrue for the planets - the word planet derives from a Greek word meaning "wanderer" because the planets don't appear to rotate in that manner. You seem to be be aware of that already, so you're being untruthful deliberately.
. . . the flat earth module ticks all the boxes of logic and truth...
That's nonsense - you've already asserted that it involves a massive conspiracy to deceive everyone with "lies" about the appearance of the earth from space and numerous other matters. For example, you've yet to explain what people are seeing in the sky when they directly observe the International Space Station, and what people such as Major Peake have photographed and reported they saw while onboard the ISS.
I shall try to...
Below is a magnification of what can be seen from earth.
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. . . there are occasions where we have the moon (in whatever phase) in the same region of the sky with the sun close by in that part of the sky
That's untrue. When the full moon is visible from England, the sun is never anything like close by in the sky.
I thought the earth contributed to the shape of the moon out in the so-called space?
Why did you think that?
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There''s no need in the globe model either - it was you that chose to include it in your example.
introduced by me to demonstrate the impossibility of your assertion that the earth is a globe! The idea that people, animals, insects, birds, fish, motor cars, aeroplanes and boats could be upright, upside down, or sideways on this way or that way at one and the same time depending upon another person's perspective who is stood on another part of earth is absurd! It's easily proved by observations of the night sky. Their daytime is your night-time and vice-versa. In a flat earth model, why would that be? It's like that because the sun rotates in or around the firmament above the earth lighting up parts of the world as it passes overhead, and creating darkness in its wake... You're stating that without giving any reasons, I have given my reasons, it's not my problem if you don't understand, or you don't want to understand..and ignoring the fact that their orientations locally would normally be consistent. If you are talking about the orientation of people standing, operating or functioning in the same locale on earth, it makes no difference whether or not you rely on a globe earth model, or a flat earth module! But when you alluded to people being upside down, right way up, sideways on, this way and that way it doesn't happen on a flat earth model, there's no hypothetical explanation required to explain that imaginary phenomena. But, in a globe module scenario it does require a hypothetical explanation, which is what I provided in response, albeit the hypothetical solution that I provided turns out to be an impossibility! When the sun is high in the sky, why doesn't the sunlight reach all of the earth simultaneously if the earth is flat? the sun like the moon rotates around a static earths firmament, just like the so called planets and stars do.The size of the sun is much smaller than the general population has been led to believe, same as the size of the moon, and the size of the dark sun (these are all basically of similar size)! There is only one fixed star in, or above the firmament and that is 'the north Star' - everything else rotates in a horizontal plane around the flat earth, albeit, the so called planets appear to have somewhat elliptical orbits! The reason that the sun does not and cannot illuminate all of the flat earth all at the same time is because it's orbit in the main is half way between the fixed point of the 'north Star' and the outer circumference of the flat earth (in a flat earth module)!
If you like, the whole set up, is akin to a person sat on a horse on a carosel and they be riding round and round and round - the rotation being governed between two points, the bottom of the shaft/axle upon which the carosel turns, and the highest point of its canopy which the centre of appears to remain in a fixed part of the sky. If the base of the carosel was clear glass and a person holding a torch shone it beneath him so that the light reflected on the earth beneath, as he was riding round and around, this would replicate to a certain degree why the sun does not light up the whole of the earth, only the parts it passes directly over, with partial increment and partial disipitation in its path and wake! That's untrue for the planets - the word planet derives from a Greek word meaning "wanderer" because the planets don't appear to rotate in that manner. the rotation of the planets, operate differently to the way the distant stars appear to rotate around the fixed 'north star'. I assert that this occurs in the same way that the sun and the moon appear to rotate in the firmament of the earth, which is due to distortion in what we term to be space! Imagine that the firmament of the earth is encapsulated beneath some sort of translucent material/coating. I believe the sun and the other so called planets rotate above the earth's fimament, but that the moon operates inside it... You seem to be be aware of that already, so you're being untruthful deliberately.That's not true... That's nonsense - you've already asserted that it involves a massive conspiracy to deceive everyone with "lies" about the appearance of the earth from space There are no photographs taken from space, it's all a big lie... and numerous other matters. it's not my problem you can't accept the truth! For example, you've yet to explain what people are seeing in the sky when they directly observe the International Space Station, The ISS rotates around the inner edge of the firmament above the flat earth, in the same way the sun, the moon, the planets, and the stars do around the static 'north Star'! and what people such as Major Peake have photographed and reported they saw while onboard the ISS. it's propoganda, misinformation, and misrepresentation Below is a magnification of what can be seen from earth. seen by whom, and what equipment and type of lense and editing has taken place? Why can't the ISS be photographed in space during daylight hours? And why if the moon is so far away can it be photographed with blue sky behind it, whereas the ISS cannot?
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That's untrue. When the full moon is visible from England, the sun is never anything like close by in the sky.
Why did you think that?
I didn't mean 'full moon' or 'new moon' - but the other phases and increments! I have seen the sun and the moon in the same part of the blue sky! It appears fakifized to me, unreal, what is between the sun and the moon when this happens, and you get the 1st quarter moon, the last quarter of the moon, and the crescent moons?
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I didn't mean 'full moon' or 'new moon' - but the other phases and increments! I have seen the sun and the moon in the same part of the blue sky! It appears fakifized to me, unreal, what is between the sun and the moon when this happens, and you get the 1st quarter moon, the last quarter of the moon, and the crescent moons?
How are the phases of the moon created?
'The phases of the moon are created by the relative position of the moon, to the earth, to the sun'.
Its got to be something other than the earth, right?
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So, with the moon and the sun clearly visible in daylight, in a similar part of the daylight sky, how can this possibly be a determining factor in 'the phase of the moon' that is being displayed, when clearly ''no part of the earth' is anywhere near the path between 'the moon and the sun' on any given day, in the lunar cycle?
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Where in any of these images can the earth, or any part of it, be 'inbetween the sun' and 'the moon' to create the 'phase' of any moon?
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Where in any of these images can the earth, or any part of it, be 'inbetween the sun' and 'the moon' to create the 'phase' of any moon?
It seems to me, that we have been conned into accepting something that is in the main part, a massive deception! Since, the photographic evidence does not support what the powers that be have been brain washing the general public at large into accepting!
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It seems to me, that we have been conned into accepting something that is in the main part, a massive deception! Since, the photographic evidence does not support what the powers that be have been brain washing the general public at large into accepting!
The sun has been photographed in the sky at every possible phase of the moon, so how has the powers that be managed to get away with such a deception for so long?
Why are they lying to everybody?
Money?
Budgets?
Lifestyles?
Power?
Carreers?
Open your eyes, everybody, the 'powers that be are the real criminals', and 'fraudsters'...
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Look at the following images, and ask yoursselves why it is that by cross referencing the 'sized images' of the 'sun', the 'moon', and 'the earth', they all apear to be of the exact same size?
If it is the earth casting its shadow on the moon in the first image, it appears almost identical in size and shape as the moon, right? Now, look at the photograoph of the full moon with the sun, the sun appears of a similar size and shape of the moon!
What a remarkable coincidence, thaat despite the sun being so many millions of miles away, and the moon also very far away, that all three planets appear to be of the exact same size and shape!
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There is something very drastically wrong here!!!
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There is something very drastically wrong here!!!
The powers thaat be have been lying to us, they have been decieving us, and brainwashing us, into accepting that which cannot possibly be true! Now, why would they do that / this?
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Looks round to me.
(http://www.americaspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sts66payloadbay.jpg)
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The powers thaat be have been lying to us, they have been decieving us, and brainwashing us, into accepting that which cannot possibly be true! Now, why would they do that / this?
Its almost certainly got something to do with money, budgetting, quality of life, careers, for the favoured, the better off, amongst us - 'The New World Order'...
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Looks round to me.
(http://www.americaspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sts66payloadbay.jpg)
You've been fooled, it depends if you use a particullar type of lense, and the images can be tampered with, like the photographs they faked about the supposed landing on the moon!
I assert that the image you have posted up is 'a fake', something that the powers that be frequently do to 'mislead' the masses!
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Its almost certainly got something to do with money, budgetting, quality of life, careers, for the favoured, the better off, amongst us - 'The New World Order'...
I think you may be losing the plot Mike, That baseball bat did more damage that you think
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I assert that the earth is fundamentally flat, and that the phases of the moon should not be visible in the day time sky why the sun is above the horizzon in a similar part of the sky, since the earth cannot be said to be in between the sun and the moon at many of these lunar phases!
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I didn't mean 'full moon' or 'new moon' - but the other phases and increments!
That means you were deliberately untruthful, as you specifically stated "in whatever phase". In general, in the globe model, the moon's phases correspond to how much of the moon is directly illuminated by the sun, rather than being caused by the earth, but the moon can also be dimly lit by sunlight reflected by the earth. The moon's phases occur just as predicted by the globe module, but have never been demonstrated accurately using a physical model in which the moon is flat.
The moon is never seen from all countries on earth simultaneously, which is unexplained by the flat earth model, but accurately predicted by the globe model.
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Looks round from the moon also
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/3-as08-14-2383a.jpg)
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Looks round from the moon also
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/3-as08-14-2383a.jpg)
They never went to the moon, and they never will be able to, because of the van allen belt - you posting this image only serves to confirm that what the masses have been told and brainwashed into believing is nothing but 'codswallop', the people who are responsible for committing these deceptions are common low life criminals...
Ok, in which direction was the sun at the time this particular fake moonshot photograph was taken?
North, East, South, or West?
Next - which way does the moon supposedly curve. for example,'top to bottom', or 'bottom to top'?
Why is there no blue sky or earths atmosphere around the supposed part earth globe module? It appears to be a reverse process adopted when the moon is photograohed during the day with blue sky behind it (oh and clouds moving in front and behind the moon)...
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They never went to the moon, and they never will be able to, because of the van allen belt - you posting this image only serves to confirm that what thee masses have been told and brainwashed into believing is nothing but 'codswallop', the people who are responsible for committing these deceptions are common low life criminals...
The reason for such a deception would be?
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The reason for such a deception would be?
Control of the masses, creation of economies and financial...
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The reason for such a deception would be?
Cor Caroline you surely know the answer.
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Why does the curve of the shaded part of the earth appear to be the wrong way around (from bottom to top), if the curvature of the moon is from top to bottom and the moon is supposed to be casting a partial shadow upon 'that' part of the earth?
It can't possibly be a real photograph, its got to be a computer generated image...
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They never went to the moon, and they never will be able to, because of the Van Allen belt
That's untrue; the Apollo astronauts survived the Van Allen belts because they weren't in them for very long, and the astronauts' radiation dosimeters confirmed that their radiation exposure wasn't excessive.
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Why does the curve of the shaded part of the earth appear to be the wrong way around (from bottom to top), if the curvature of the moon is from top to bottom and the moon is supposed to be casting a partial shadow upon 'that' part of the earth?
The moon isn't supposed to be casting a partial shadow on the earth. What you're calling a shadow is simply part of where it's night-time on earth (the sun is below the horizon), and the curvature you noticed is consistent with this explanation.
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Why does the curve of the shaded part of the earth appear to be the wrong way around (from bottom to top), if the curvature of the moon is from top to bottom and the moon is supposed to be casting a partial shadow upon 'that' part of the earth?
It can't possibly be a real photograph, its got to be a computer generated image...
I'm afraid it is a real photo. Time to give up now Mike.
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And another ;D
(https://media.wsimag.com/attachments/3ed76e92959a62a5e087d106fe73d112d57daf39/store/fill/1090/613/977b1167eab619650b4b6af32442172de5108b2addd6c3b2775566aa1219/Nasa-Apollo-11-Mike-Collins-Earth-rise-over-Moon-Smyths-Sea-July-20-1969-c-print-on-matte-kodak.jpg)
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i never thought id end up taking part in a debate where this was the qustion.
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i never thought id end up taking part in a debate where this was the qustion.
I'm surprised Mike is not a holocaust denier. That would be right up his street.
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The moon isn't supposed to be casting a partial shadow on the earth. What you're calling a shadow is simply part of where it's night-time on earth (the sun is below the horizon), and the curvature you noticed is consistent with this explanation.
If the sun is below the horizon, how come its illuminating the upper part of the supposed moons surface?
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And another ;D
(https://media.wsimag.com/attachments/3ed76e92959a62a5e087d106fe73d112d57daf39/store/fill/1090/613/977b1167eab619650b4b6af32442172de5108b2addd6c3b2775566aa1219/Nasa-Apollo-11-Mike-Collins-Earth-rise-over-Moon-Smyths-Sea-July-20-1969-c-print-on-matte-kodak.jpg)
Its a fake photograph...
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Its a fake photograph...
Photo taken by drone near the moon.
(https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/59/134259-120-45F7BD22.jpg)
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(https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0907/apollo11return_nasa_big.jpg)
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That's untrue; the Apollo astronauts survived the Van Allen belts because they weren't in them for very long, and the astronauts' radiation dosimeters confirmed that their radiation exposure wasn't excessive.
No, they didn't its a massive lie...
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(https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0907/apollo11return_nasa_big.jpg)
It's a faked photograph, something NASA do all of the time!
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2689/4541776583_e7245191a3_z.jpg)
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It's a faked photograph, something NASA do all of the time!
This is a Russian/Soviet Photo.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l0mnZDKe--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18lrq6pw0sh5ojpg.jpg)
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. . . the sun rotates in or around the firmament above the earth lighting up parts of the world as it passes overhead, and creating darkness in its wake
That doesn't make sense at all. If the sun were high in the sky above a flat earth, it would light up all of the flat side of the earth at the same time.
The size of the sun is much smaller than the general population has been led to believe, same as the size of the moon
That's unsupported - you couldn't tell me the sizes of the sun, moon and earth when I asked recently. There's no evidence that the sun and moon are roughly equidistant from earth.
. . . the so-called planets appear to have somewhat elliptical orbits!
That's untrue. Since when does "somewhat elliptical" include "retrograde motion"?
The reason that the sun does not and cannot illuminate all of the flat earth all at the same time is because it's orbit in the main is half way between the fixed point of the 'north Star' and the outer circumference of the flat earth
There's no evidence to support that, and it doesn't make sense in a flat earth model.
I believe the sun and the other so called planets rotate above the earth's firmament, but that the moon operates inside it.
Then why did you earlier state "the sun rotates in or around the firmament"? When did you change your mind from "in or around" to "above" and on what grounds? If the sun is above, it's further from the earth than the moon, and would look smaller than the moon from earth (or the sun and moon don't have roughly the same physical diameter).
There are no photographs taken from space, it's all a big lie...
No photographs from high altitude aircraft either? When did you start to think that the earth is flat?
The ISS rotates around the inner edge of the firmament above the flat earth
You're contradicting yourself, as you earlier stated "I don't believe there are any satellites".
Why can't the ISS be photographed in space during daylight hours? And why if the moon is so far away can it be photographed with blue sky behind it, whereas the ISS cannot?
The ISS has been photographed crossing over the face of the moon. You can see some of the results on youtube. It has also been recorded crossing the face of the sun, which was necessarily during daylight hours, of course.
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Control of the masses, creation of economies and financial...
So if it were revealed to be flat, we would have no control over the masses, no economies or finance? That doesn't really make any sense - does it?
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I cant belive I'm actually arguing the toss about this.
but if you look through a telescope you can see all the other planets are round now consdring there all that shape why would the earth be a different shape.
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Photo taken by drone near the moon.
(https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/59/134259-120-45F7BD22.jpg)
No chance, drone wouln't have got through Van allens radiation belt without being serverly damaged! The authorities have ceratinly brainwashed almost all the worlds population with bunkem feats of magic!
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2689/4541776583_e7245191a3_z.jpg)
Fake photograph...
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This is a Russian/Soviet Photo.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l0mnZDKe--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18lrq6pw0sh5ojpg.jpg)
Faked, the so called New World order involves the Russians, doesn't it?
Hey, what about the UK?
Them too...
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That doesn't make sense at all. Yes, it does, its just that you don't want to believe it to be true - the earth does not rotate around the sun so many millions of miles away, and the sun is not so huge in size and shape! How can the earth travel such vast distances around a sun module so very far away, and do it every 24 hrs? I should think that the earth would have to be orbititting at humongous speeds to achieve that feat! Are you being serious? So, the earth is not only spinning at around 1000 MPH on its own axis, its thiundering through the universe on a dialy basis at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour? WHAT????If the sun were high in the sky above a flat earth, it would light up all of the flat side of the earth at the same time. No it would not, and no it doesn't, it lights up the part of the flat earth above which is positioned at any one time with leakage afore its position, and in its wake...
That's unsupported - you couldn't tell me the sizes of the sun, moon and earth when I asked recently. Ok, where did you get your si
zes from, for the earth, the sun, the moon and the planets and the stars?See, I could do exactly what you have done if I had wanted to, posting up measurements and dimensions of the sun, the moon, the earth, and the planets and the stars etc, but what's the point? Photographs and video footage exist that have been taken from earth which shows clouds in front of and behind the full moon in the sky! The size of the sun is comparible to the size of the moon when it is in the same part of the sky! I dion't need no bullshit powers that be to tell me how to think and how to work things out! They are liars, and make a good living out of being liars!There's no evidence that the sun and moon are roughly equidistant from earth. So, you've checked it yourself have you? Oh, alright then...
That's untrue. Since when does "somewhat elliptical" include "retrograde motion"? What a question, its double edged. Ttrying to confuse yourself will not alter the fact that we live on a flat earth, whether you like it or not, or agree with it...
There's no evidence to support that, What exactly are you referring to here? If I knew I would try to anser it!and it doesn't make sense in a flat earth model. Your making no sense, what doesn't make any sense in a flat earth module? I am not a mind reader, if you ask me a question I might be able to anser it properly but I can't secondd guess what your on about!
Then why did you earlier state "the sun rotates in or around the firmament"? There are different levels of the earths fimanent, I was referring to the sunn being higher up than another plane in the firmament..When did you change your mind from "in or around" to "above" Rather than suggest that I am somehow being misleading why didn't you ask me to clarify what I was talking about, rathher than try to make out that I don't know what I am talking abouyt? Since, I do know what I am talking about!!!and on what grounds? A matter of interpretation which you have not sought to clarify properly...If the sun is above, it's further from the earth than the moon, Well, it might be slightly larger, I can't tell you the exact sizes because hey guess what 'I ain't been up there with a tape measure!and would look smaller than the moon from earth (or the sun and moon don't have roughly the same physical diameter). Yeah, I can buy into that, I agree with you...
No photographs from high altitude aircraft either? Showing what?)When did you start to think that the earth is flat? I started taking a personal interest during my incarceration mid 1980's onward, when I had lots of free time to study and contemplate...
You're contradicting yourself, Your confusing yourself saying that I'm confusing myself - I am not contradicting myself, I am telling it as it is and your trying to twist my words and meanings..as you earlier stated "I don't believe there are any satellites". There aren't any, and your point is?
The ISS has been photographed crossing over the face of the moon. It's fake... You can see some of the results on youtube. Yeah, and tou can see loads of things on You Tube contradicting the earth is a globe module, and that the USA did not land on the moon, and about the true size of the sun, the moon, and everything! It has also been recorded crossing the face of the sun, which was necessarily during daylight hours, of course. It's already been debunked as fake, the USA did not go to the moon, there are no satelites, and nobody or anything got through the radioactive van allen belt, its all bunkem...
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Faked, the so called New World order involves the Russians, doesn't it?
Hey, what about the UK?
Them too...
The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!
Behold
https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc (https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc)
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The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!
Behold
https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc (https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc)
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At least one word missing? 8)
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The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!
Behold
https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc (https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc)
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You are having your fun at the moment, but I will bide my time and let you hang yourself, then I will post all the evidence to hang you! Keep it coming, the more you provide the further you are going to fall!
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Fake photograph...
Hmmm. Is the picture below also fake?
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So, the earth is a globe, and depending upon whereabouts you might be on the surface of the earth, you might be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or sideways on that way! Not only that / this, but it rains down, it rains up, it rains sideways on this way, or sideways on that way! Birds fly the right way up, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on this way, and they fly sideways on that way! Insects creep about on the earth the right way up, upside down this way, and side ways on that way! Motor vehicles drive the right way up on its four wheels, they drive upside down on their four wheels, they drive sideways on, on their four wheels this way, andd sideways on, on their four wheels that way! Aeroplanes fly the right way up with their passengers sitting the right way up, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on this way, and they fly sideways on that way! And, Boats float on the water the right way up, they float on the water upside down, they float on the water sideways on this way, and they float sideways on that way!
Now, depending on the perspective of other people on the same globe earth module in other locations aroun d the earth, a person, a bird, and insect, a motor vehicle, an aeroplane, and a boat could be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or and sideways on that way, at one and the same time!
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You are having your fun at the moment, but I will bide my time and let you hang yourself, then I will post all the evidence to hang you! Keep it coming, the more you providde the further you are going to fall!
The holocaust never happened Mike. Its NWO propaganda
Experts have inspected the alleged death camps and concluded so....
https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s (https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s)
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Hmmm. Is the picture below also fake?
Yep!
Taken with a lense to actentuate the falt earth as though it is curved - a technique easily adopted as all professsional photographers will attest to...
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The holocaust never happened Mike. Its NWO propaganda
Experts have inspected the alleged death camps and concluded so....
https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s (https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s)
It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...
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It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...
The victors write history (the deception)...
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It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...
Then how do you explain this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc)
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Then how do you explain this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc)
The victims were executed by other means - probably shot, or drugged!
I have distant relatives who lost their lives during the holocaust, I have no doubt that they were shot to death, rather than have been gassed, as claimed, or disproved...
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How can the earth travel such vast distances around a sun module so very far away, and do it every 24 hrs?
You're trying to change the subject. I haven't suggested that the earth zips round the sun in 24 hours. You haven't been able to show any physical flat earth model that works, because nobody has constructed one.
. . . it lights up the part of the flat earth above which is positioned at any one time . . .
What blocks it from being seen at the same time from the rest of the flat earth?
I could do exactly what you have done if I had wanted to, posting up measurements and dimensions of the sun, the moon, the earth, and the planets and the stars etc, but what's the point?
The point is that nobody has ever done that for a flat earth model, not with dimensions that account for the moon's phases and various other easily observed phenomena.
Photographs and video footage exist that have been taken from earth which shows clouds in front of and behind the full moon in the sky!
Videos and photographs don't show distance. There's no way to tell from them whether a cloud is behind the moon or in front but unseen (due to the moon's brightness).
The size of the sun is comparable to the size of the moon when it is in the same part of the sky!
Previously, you referred to the same size, but now it's "comparable to". But those are apparent sizes. The moon looks just a few inches across when I try to measure it with a ruler.
I don't need no bullshit powers that be to tell me how to think and how to work things out!
Then make a simple flat earth physical model - use a light bulb instead of the sun and demonstrate how it can illuminate only a small part of the flat earth.
They are liars, and make a good living out of being liars!
Yet your ideas are "true" despite the fact that you can't provide any evidence for many of your ideas. You seem to have become convinced by the appearance of some clouds seen from a considerable distance and are then happy to assert things exist for which there is no direct evidence at all, such as a "dark sun" and the moon's cratered appearance being just a projected image of the underside of the earth.
So, you've checked it yourself have you?
Yes, I've checked predictions of eclipses, for example.
What a question, its double edged.
It's observable by anyone that the planets appear to move in relation to the stars in a way that's consistent with the theory that they are in orbit round the sun. The theories of flat-earthers can be maintained only by dismissing as lies all the evidence that conflicts with them. It's easy to counter anything you can't explain with "it's fake" or "it's all lies". Also, your theories have never been stated in detail, and have never been tested experimentally.
Trying to confuse yourself will not alter the fact that we live on a flat earth, whether you like it or not, or agree with it...
You're trying to change the subject. There's nothing to suggest that I'm trying to confuse myself. Asserting that something is a fact doesn't make it a fact. You've not provided any detailed evidence. When you come across an idea put forward by a flat-earther, how do you know whether it's valid or just invented without there being any evidence at all to support it? You stated you believe that no (artificial) satellites exist, so what is the object known as the ISS, if not a satellite?
What exactly are you referring to here? If I knew I would try to answer it!
That's a silly response, as I provided a link to your post that I was referring to.
. . . if you ask me a question I might be able to answer it properly, but I can't second guess what your on about!
Just click on the link to see where you posted what I referred to.
There are different levels of the earth's firmament
You hadn't mentioned that idea before. What is the evidence for it?
I was referring to the sun being higher up than another plane in the firmament.
Again, what evidence is there to support that?
Rather than suggest that I am somehow being misleading, why didn't you ask me to clarify what I was talking about, rather than try to make out that I don't know what I am talking about?
Because it's well-known that flat-earth theories have never been given in detail. They're all loaded with inadequately supported declarations of absurdity, and ideas that aren't backed by any evidence at all. I have asked you for specific things, but you've not provided them. Feel free to provide evidence for the existence of the "dark sun" that you mentioned, for example. Nobody else has.
If the sun is above, it's further from the earth than the moon, Well, it might be slightly larger, I can't tell you the exact sizes because hey guess what 'I ain't been up there with a tape measure!
Others have, but you've dismissed their evidence as lies. People have travelled right round the earth without having to double back or otherwise avoid its edge. There's no direct evidence that its edge exists, despite the earth being extensively explored and surveyed.
(No photographs from high altitude aircraft either?) Showing what?
Showing the shape of the earth, of course. That's what's being discussed.
I started taking a personal interest during my incarceration mid 1980's onward, when I had lots of free time to study and contemplate.
Okay, but when did you start to believe that the earth is flat, as distinct from just hearing or reading that some people think it is? If there are no satellites, what are Sky dishes pointing at so that people can watch television?
. . . as you earlier stated "I don't believe there are any satellites". There aren't any, and your point is?
There are, but you just dismiss the evidence as fake. You can see some of them quite easily with binoculars on a clear night, and the ISS is large enough for you to make out its shape.
. . . there are no satellites, and nobody or anything got through the radioactive Van Allen belt, it's all bunkem...
So how come Sky dishes work? Where did any space shuttle go to when it was alleged to have gone into orbit? Have you ever discussed your views with someone such as Major Peake, who claims to have been on board the ISS?
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The victims were executed by other means - probably shot!
I have distant relatives who lost their lives during the holocaust, I have no doubt that they were shot to death, rather than have been gassed, as claime, or disproved...
Well they were gassed.
"One woman approached me as she walked past and, pointing to her four children who were manfully helping the smallest ones over the rough ground, whispered: 'How can you bring yourself to kill such beautiful, darling children? Have you no heart at all?' One old man, as he passed me, hissed: 'Germany will pay a heavy penance for this mass murder of the Jews.' His eyes glowed with hatred as he said this. Nevertheless he walked calmly into the gas-chamber."
Rudolf Höss - Commandant of Auschwitz:
It just goes to show how much crap is spewed on in internet these days. And Flat earth is far worse than holocaust denial.
You are doing Jeremy no favours by posting Flat Earth nonsense on the forum.
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Now, depending on the perspective of other people on the same globe earth module in other locations around the earth, a person, a bird, and insect, a motor vehicle, an aeroplane, and a boat could be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or and sideways on that way, at one and the same time!
You've stated that before. I already understand it, but it's to be expected in the globe module, makes good sense, and is entirely possible. In the flat earth model, where is the north pole, and what shape are lines of constant longitude, the equator and other lines of constant latitude?
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What if the Sun is flat? Anybody thought of that, huh?
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Well they were gassed.
"One woman approached me as she walked past and, pointing to her four children who were manfully helping the smallest ones over the rough ground, whispered: 'How can you bring yourself to kill such beautiful, darling children? Have you no heart at all?' One old man, as he passed me, hissed: 'Germany will pay a heavy penance for this mass murder of the Jews.' His eyes glowed with hatred as he said this. Nevertheless he walked calmly into the gas-chamber."
Rudolf Höss - Commandant of Auschwitz:
It just goes to show how much crap is spewed on in internet these days. And Flat earth is far worse than holocaust denial.
You are doing Jeremy no favours by posting Flat Earth nonsense on the forum.
You don't tell me what to do, and neither does Jeremy Bamber, you do what you do best and goodluck!
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I haven't suggested that the earth zips round the sun in 24 hours. You haven't been able to show any physical flat earth model that works, because nobody has constructed one.
How can the earth go around the sun each 24 hrs or so, if its so far away in the imaginary galaxy?
Oh, and how can all the other planets, the moon and all the others, be dragged around the sun all at the same time?
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You haven't been able to show any physical flat earth model that works, because nobody has constructed one.
Yes they have!
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You've stated that before. I already understand it, but it's to be expected in the globe module, makes good sense, and is entirely possible. In the flat earth model, where is the north pole, and what shape are lines of constant longitude, the equator and other lines of constant latitude?
(1) - https://uk.mathworks.com/help/aeroblks/llatoflatearth.html?s_tid=gn_loc_drop
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Yes they have!
(1) - https://youtu.be/-aVeV0YbAcA
Longitude, and latitude shown in this model...
Altitude would be estimated from the centre of the flat earth straight up to the position of the north star in the firmament..
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In scripture, if 'GOD' created the sun on the Fourth Day, what was the earth spinning around for the previous three days?
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Where are all the dissenters?
I await their wise explanations, eagerly!
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Where are all the dissenters?
I await their wise explanations eagerly!
Now, its your turn to explain all the contradictions, the inconsistencies, and the lies which the ruling mass imposses upon the the majority!
I will now test your knowledge, and intelligence...
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Now, its your turn to explain all the contradictions, the inconsistencies, and the lies which the ruling mass imposses upon the the majority!
I will now test your knowledge, and intelligence...
AS a matter of interest, how many of you dissenters have studied philosopy, or got a degree (or the equivalent) in philosophy?
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Please, I'm not trying to be funny, but can anyone tell me what the earth was rotating around during the first thre days before 'God' himself created the sun?
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Please, I'm not trying to be funny, but can anyone tell me what the earth was rotating around during the first thre days before 'God' himself created the sun?
Was the earth, 'fixed' and 'flat', and why doesn't 'god' make any reference, or why isn't there any mention in any version of the bible, that the earth was a spinning planet of creation, rotating around a sun he did not create until the fourth day?
Could it be that the grand designer of life (God) intended for the earth to be flat?
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Was the earth, 'fixed' and 'flat', and why doesn't 'god' make any reference, or why isn't there any mention in any version of the bible, that the earth was a spinning planet of creation, rotating around a sun he did not create until the fourth day?
Could it be that the grand designer of life (God) intended for the earth to be flat?
Please, why would 'GOD' seek to decieve any, or all of us, regarding this / that?
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Those amongst us, who have tried to ridicule me in this threa had better get ready, and I will be demanding their answers to each and everytthing I presnt for consideration!
Now, it's my turn...
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Oh, Look...
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Oh, Look the earth appeared to be flat!
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If the sun is so far away from the flat earth, then could you dissenters please explain the following:-
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I can see that 'all the dissenters are queing up' to give their explanation - I am thus, overwhelmed...
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For those amongst us who can read and see:-
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'Operation High Jump' resulted in the military scarpering from the South Pole because of something so terrifying that confronted them...
Ships and personel were lost in the flight!
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The USA did not land on the moon, or walk upon it - if they did Jeremy Bamber must be guilty!!
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Listen up everybody and 'ignore the truth if you feel you all must', because you have all been 'brainwashed' and 'indoctrinated' by the powers that be - The earth does not rotate on its own axis at around 1000 MPH! How come if this were true, that the following would be true:-
Look at the direction of the plumes of smoke and the flames from the 9 / 11 event?
It's all a pack of lies, its a cover up, the powers that be are / were behind this act of terrorism...
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It seems somewhat obvious to me, that these events and similar events around the flat world are being escalated by people who have a financial interest in controlling the masses through panic and fear!
You must not succumb to the desires of these monsters!
The lot of 'em are the spawn of the devil...
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Listen up everybody and 'ignore the truth if you feel you all must', because you have all been 'brainwashed' and 'indoctrinated' by the powers that be - The earth does not rotate on its own axis at around 1000 MPH! How come if this were true, that the following would be true:-
Look at the direction of the plumes of smoke and the flames from the 9 / 11 event?
It's all a pack of lies, its a cover up, the powers that be are / were behind this act of terrorism...
The plumes of smoke would be instantly whisked away in the direction of the spin of the earth at around 1000 MPH in whichever direction of spin of the earth in relation to that event! Oh, yeah, I can see the effect of the earths spin simply by studying the direction at which the plumes of smoke are rising after the powers that be destroyed the World Trade Centre!
Hey, 'You Can Too', if you want to believe what your own eyes are tellin' ya...
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Here is more to contemplate:-
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Oh, there's a hell of a lot more to see, and to contemplate upon:-
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In scripture, if 'GOD' created the sun on the Fourth Day, what was the earth spinning around for the previous three days?
Ah, I get it, you have to be religious to buy into this theory.
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I thought the Lord said "let there be light .and there was light". Not let there be sun and there was sun.
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It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...
Of course atrocities were committed on both sides, BUT it didn't end with 6 million innocent people sent to death
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Ah, I get it, you have to be religious to buy into this theory.
So, you don't believe in 'god' and you are not religeous?
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I thought the Lord said "let there be light .and there was light". Not let there be sun and there was sun.
Oh, yeah, praise be to the lord our god!
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Of course atrocities were committed on both sides, BUT it didn't end with 6 million innocent people sent to death
How do you know, and how canyou prove that between them the Germans, the Americanns and the British did not cause, or were responsible for so many innocent victims losing their lives?
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Much of what is / was recorded in history involving the second world war is a pack of lies!!!
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Much of what is / was recorded in history involving the second world war is a pack of lies!!!
The powers that be, motivated innocent people on one side of the fence to kill innocent people on the other side of the fence - an exercise which showed they had total control of the mass population...
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There needs to be an uprising to weed these rich bastards out and give them all an unfair trial! We need to hang the lot of the bastards, or gass them, or drug them, or whatever, and then try them as to whether or not they are guilty, or innocent!!!
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There needs to be an uprising to weed these rich bastards out and give them all an unfair trial! We need to hang the lot of the bastards, or gass them, or drug them, or whatever, and then try them as to whether or not they are guilty, or innocent!!!
Hang the lot of 'em, burn 'em, shoot 'em, poison 'em, it would be nothing less than these monsters deserve...
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The earth is flat, and there's nothing which the powers that be can say which makes it into a globe module without there existing a contradiction, an inconsistency, or total rejection without any reason whatsoever! These people who call themselves the 'New World Order', should be sought out and prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to death because they are responsible for all the troubles in the world, all the tragedies, all the deaths, and acts of terrorism...
Use they system they introduced to prosecute and convict themselves...
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There's no such thing as a globe module of the earth, because it is flat...
Hey, listen up, a flat earth where up is up and it means up,m where down is down and it meanss down, where sideways on to the right, means sideways on to the right, and where sideways on to the left, means sideways on to the left...
Simple...
No need to imagine people and insects and birds, and motor cars, and aeroplanes, and boats being upside down, the right way up, and sideways on this way or sideways on that way?
What an utter load of old codswallop the powers that be have been brainwashing everybody with!
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There's no such thing as a globe module of the earth, because it is flat...
Hey, listen up, a flat earth where up is up and it means up,m where down is down and it meanss down, where sideways on to the right, means sideways on to the right, and where sideways on to the left, means sideways on to the left...
Simple...
No need to imagine people and insects and birds, and motor cars, and aeroplanes, and boats being upside down, the right way up, and sideways on this way or sideways on that way?
What an utter load of old codswallop the powers that be have been brainwashing everybody with!
Lets start dismantling their system of employment that they have falsely created to look after their own types!
Make the fukkers all unemp-loyed, lets portray every one of the nasty bastards as liars, fraudsters, cheats, and murderers....
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After arrest - ask each one of these monsters one basic and fundamental question...
'Is the earth flat'?
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After arrest - ask each one of these monsters one basic and fundamental question...
'Is the earth flat'?
We know it is, but we have to give these fraudsters the opportunity to come clean!
There could be a reduction in sentence if they admit to the the truth, or be at peril of the harsest of sentencing if they lie and continue to try and deceive!!!
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We know it is, but we have to give these fraudsters the opportunity to come clean!
There could be a reduction in sentence if they admit to the the truth, or be at peril of the harsest of sentencing if they lie and continue to try and deceive!!!
We know that 'money talks', so to speak, but we have to show these monsters that justice is a better system altogether...
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'They' think they are better than 'us'....
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The holocaust never happened Mike. Its NWO propaganda
Experts have inspected the alleged death camps and concluded so....
https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s (https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s)
Please don't try to dishonestly suggest that I am advocating that these particular so called gas chambers were used during the holacoust!
Victims could have been gassed somewhere else!!!
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There are some amongst us, who seek to reject or object to anything legitimate that we might have to say...
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There are some amongst us, who seek to reject or object to anything legitimate that we might have to say...
it has been relatively easy to identify these individuals...
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These individuals, ought to hold their heads in total shame!
They know who they are, and I know who they are...
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So, you don't believe in 'god' and you are not religeous?
Can't say a god doesn't exist because all of the big questions haven't been answered by science - YET. However, do I believe the bible to be true and accurate? No and no, I'm not what you could call 'religious'.
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Genesis 1 is not written in the first person; it's a human account. Also, it's inconsistent. For example, it asserts that initially heaven and earth were created (on the first day). It then asserts that the firmament was created (on the second day) and called heaven, which contradicts the creation of heaven on the first day. That's not very surprising, as humans weren't around to observe those events.
Also, it doesn't state that the earth is flat. The earth has been measured and photographed - it's big, round (roughly ball-shaped), and internally very hot. Repeatedly posting that it's flat doesn't increase the likelihood that it's flat. We've mapped its surface and confirmed that it's round numerous times. For example, measurements confirm that "down" is a different direction at different locations, and the angular difference between those directions is proportional to the distance between the locations (measured along the earth's surface). There are no photographs that show that the earth's surface is flat, with a raised perimeter.
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Yes they have!
No, they haven't. The models you referred to don't work, as they don't account for what we observe, such as the moon's phases, eclipses of the moon and sun, measurements of the earth, the cratered appearance of the moon, etc.
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No, they haven't. The models you referred to don't work, as they don't account for what we observe, such as the moon's phases, eclipses of the moon and sun, measurements of the earth, the cratered appearance of the moon, etc.
There is no workable globe earth model, it's all hypothetical!
You just saying it's a globe doesn't mean that it is - the facts support a flat earth! I don't believe that the measurements of the earth are accurate because they are based on a hypothetical globe earth, which it is not! It's definitely flat, the earth can't be spinning at the equator at over 1000 mph, since at the south and the north poles the earth would not be spinning at all! It is just not possible to prove that theory, it's total bunkem! The moons phases can be explained in the flat earth reality, so can the eclipses - there's no such thing as gravity in the form you are advocating!
If gravity existed as per your idea of a globe earth module, there would be zero gravity at the north and the south poles! Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention also the magnetic north and south poles... earth rotating at just over 1000 mph, versus the alleged earths tilt on its own axis there would almost certainly be a noticeable effect, yet none exists in the globe module...
It's all hogwash
There are people on the earth who can think for themselves - if they can't at the moment because they are trapped into the indoctrinnation of the powers that be, eventually reason and logic will suffice! People standing the right wway up, standing upside down, standing sideways on this way, and side ways on that way is total bunkem imagination - oh, and to top it all, depending upon who is observing who, the same person could be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, and sideways on that way all at one and the same time!
Yeah, alright, I can see where this is leading to...
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I am not an expert, and do not profess to be, but what I am good at is research and finding out what the truth is - and I can say with my hand on my heart that the earth is fundamentally flat in orientation, everybody on earth, every living insect, creature, Bird, fish, aeroplane and its passengers, motor car and its occupants, and boats all operate and function the right way up! There is only one true up and one true down, there is only one true left, and one true right - it doesn't matter upon which part of the earth a person, or an insect, or a bird, or a fish, or a motor car, or an aeroplane and its passengers, or a boat function, there is only one orientation that all or any of these function and operate, and that is that they are all upright in the flat earth module all of the time!
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I am not an expert, and do not profess to be, but what I am good at is research and finding out what the truth is - and I can say with my hand on my heart that the earth is fundamentally flat in orientation, everybody on earth, every living insect, creature, Bird, fish, aeroplane and its passengers, motor car and its occupants, and boats all operate and function the right way up! There is only one true up and one true down, there is only one true left, and one true right - it doesn't matter upon which part of the earth a person, or an insect, or a bird, or a fish, or a motor car, or an aeroplane and its passengers, or a boat function, there is only one orientation that all or any of these function and operate, and that is that they are all upright in the flat earth module all of the time!
The earth is a globe module is nonsense!
Right way up people, sideways on people, and upside down people all on the same planet at one and the same time is nonsensical!
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Here is what happens when human beings are subject to spin (in a controlled environment) - people are flung by centrifugal force against the outer edge of the space they occupy! It seems to me, that if the globe earth module were true, that everyone, in any part of the earth would be flung to the outer reaches of the earth's atmosphere if the earth were spinning at around 1000 mph, or so! There is no way that a person, or people at different locations upon the earth, would all somehow defy the laws of nature and be all earthbound, because the laws of centrifugal force would need to be turned upon its head!
Here is what happens when human beings become subject of spin :-
Whilst under the influence of spin, none of the people would be able to move about of their own free will, and interact with other people who are effected by the same force of the spin - everybody would be Flung to the edge of the environment they were existing in! There would be no living thing, no human, no animal, no insect, no bird, no fish, no man-made thing, including aeroplanes, motor cars, and or boats anywhere upon the surface of the earth! It would be an impossibility!!
Everybody and everything would be floating around on the edge of space, or as the case may be, up inside the eouter edges of the firmament!
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The Americans did not go to the moon and land upon it! They couldn't have it's an impossibility, it's just a damn right lie perpetrated by the powers that be to extract finance from the public purse so that the fat cat people who are 'the powers that be' can live the good life for as long as they all live individually!
If you are a person who can think for yourself the powers that be are very wary of you because they don't want the public at large knowing what is really happening!
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The earth is fundamentally flat in orientation, which revolves around the 'north star'...
Approximately half of the surface of the earth is illuminated by the power of the sun at any one given time!
It rotates around 'the equator of the flat earth' which itself is a path of flight governed by the position of the 'north star' !
Daylight and darkness are thus created as the sun moves above the earth in the firmament, in a constant journey!
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Gravity does not exist in the form that we know it!
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The flat earth itself is static and does not rotate or revolve around anything!
The sun, the moon, the so called planets, and star constellations, revolve and rotate around the 'north star' in the earths firmament, of that it is certain - everybody on earth, everything on earth, stands upright (except for bats which hang upside down in caves and other habitats), nothing alive exists, functions or operates upside down, or side ways on, this way or that way! Rain falls down everywhere! Plants, Shrubs and trees sprout and grow upwards! Birds fly with their bellies closest to 'terra firma', etc...
Aeroplanes and its passengers, motor vehicles and their occupants, and boats manned by fishermen, either fly the right way up, drive the right way up, and or sail the right way up! There simply is no room or possibility, for anything to be upside down, side ways on this way, or that way - trust what I'm saying, the earth is primarily flat, it's not a globe, it can't be a globe, or there would be no reality! There would be no reality because we would be existing in total chaos! Where we and everything else was the right way up, upside down, side way on 'this way', and 'that way', all at the same time depending upon 'someone elses point of view', or 'reference point'!
It's nonsense!
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I am more and more inclined to think that Admiral Byrds voyage to the South Pole is the key to understanding the earth, its shape, its function, and discoveries (some already acted upon)!
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I am more and more inclined to think that Admiral Byrds voyage to the South Pole is the key to understanding the earth, its shape, its function, and discoveries (some already acted upon)!
I am currently carrying out research into 'Admiral Byrds voyage to the South Pole' and the huge armada of fleet and personel which appears in the main to be masked by and in elements of secrecy! We know that vast resources were committed to the operation, and we know that hardware and human life was lost as the expedition retreated hastily back toward what we term as civilisation!
So, what was it that sent Admiral Bird and this enormous task force packing from the South Pole?
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I am currently carrying out research into 'Admiral Byrds voyage to the South Pole' and the huge armada of fleet and personel which appears in the main to be masked by and in elements of secrecy! We know that vast resources were committed to the operation, and we know that hardware and human life was lost as the expedition retreated hastily back toward what we term as civilisation!
So, what was it that sent Admiral Bird and this enormous task force packing from the South Pole?
The powers that be, don't want the public at large to know anything about what Admiral Byrd and his fleet, were confronted by!!!
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I shall try to make it my buisiness to find out, using unorthodox intelligence!
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What I do know, is that up is up, down is down, sideways on this way, and that way, is sideways on this way, and that way, I know that the earth is primarily flat and that its not a globe (it can't be), I know that Admiral Byrd went to the north pole without any problems worthy of note, but that something rather astonishing occurred or happened during his voyage to the South Pole!
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What I do know, is that up is up, down is down, sideways on this way, and that way, is sideways on this way, and that way, I know that the earth is primarily flat and that its not a globe (it can't be), I know that Admiral Byrd went to the north pole without any problems worthy of note, but that something rather astonishing occurred or happened during his voyage to the South Pole!
I can't understand why such a huge armada and fleet as was sent to the South Pole, should be sent packing in fear of life and destruction, from and during that expedition?
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I can't understand why such a huge armada and fleet as was sent to the South Pole, should be sent packing in fear of life and destruction, from and during that expedition?
What, did Admiral Byrd, and the other pioneers, discover or were they 'confronted' by?
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What, did Admiral Byrd, and the other pioneers, discover or were they 'confronted' by?
The most obvious response, in view of the rapid retreat by Admiral Byrd and his armada from the south pole, suggests that whatever it was, or whoever it was, were not seeking to be friendly towards the armada! Whhatever it was, or whoever they were were not wanting to establish friendship - the welcoming party, in whatever its format was keen to repel admiral Byrd and the armada...
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So, what was it that Admiral Byrd and his convey unearthed or discovered?
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I am not an expert, and do not profess to be, but what I am good at is research and finding out what the truth is - and I can say with my hand on my heart that the earth is fundamentally flat in orientation, everybody on earth, every living insect, creature, Bird, fish, aeroplane and its passengers, motor car and its occupants, and boats all operate and function the right way up! There is only one true up and one true down, there is only one true left, and one true right - it doesn't matter upon which part of the earth a person, or an insect, or a bird, or a fish, or a motor car, or an aeroplane and its passengers, or a boat function, there is only one orientation that all or any of these function and operate, and that is that they are all upright in the flat earth module all of the time!
Being good at research doesn't prove your argument, plus, we are all the 'right way up' - given that there is no 'wrong way up'.
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. . . subject to spin (in a controlled environment) - people are flung by centrifugal force against the outer edge of the space they occupy! . . . There is no way that a person, or people at different locations upon the earth, would all somehow defy the laws of nature and be all earthbound, because the laws of centrifugal force would need to be turned upon its head! . . . It would be an impossibility!!
You've made that point many times, but you haven't done the appropriate arithmetic. Someone spun round in a machine might feel, say, 1.5g, where 1g is "normal gravity". The corresponding centrifugal effect at the equator due to an earth spin rate of one full revolution per day is about 0.0035g. In England, it's about 0.002g. That's hardly a major effect, but it's measurable and anyone can confirm these figures (and hence confirm the spinning globe model) by using a suitable spring balance.
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I am more and more inclined to think that Admiral Byrds voyage to the South Pole is the key to understanding the earth, its shape, its function, and discoveries (some already acted upon)!
I shall try to make it my buisiness to find out, using unorthodox intelligence!
No need, there's an interview on Youtube! No ice wall or secret lands beyond it the man is talking about Antarctica! Watch the video and note how Byrd keeps referring to 'the bottom of the world' and mentions the '. Oh and they were NEVER sent packing in fear of their lives!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd
https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/debunking-the-flat-earth-admiral-byrd-conspiracy-part-3-of-4-the-flat-earth-antarctica-conspiracy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4IhCSMkADc
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Being good at research doesn't prove your argument, plus, we are all the 'right way up' - given that there is no 'wrong way up'.
Its easy for you to say that but you can't prove it..
Your saying that a person standing at or on or in different parts of the earth are standing in a different orientation to eachother, and that depending upon who might be able to obserbve who, that the same persson could in theory be 'standing upright'? Standing 'sideways on this way'? Standing 'upside Down'?, and Standing 'sideways on that way', all 'at the same time'?
How crazy is that / this?
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You've made that point many times, but you haven't done the appropriate arithmetic. Someone spun round in a machine might feel, say, 1.5g, where 1g is "normal gravity". The corresponding centrifugal effect at the equator due to an earth spin rate of one full revolution per day is about 0.0035g. In England, it's about 0.002g. That's hardly a major effect, but it's measurable and anyone can confirm these figures (and hence confirm the spinning globe model) by using a suitable spring balance.
The equator does not run around the middle of a globe earth, it circulates around the flat earth on the same plane. Your calculations obviously refer to the equator on the flat earth module and not the globe earth module, and you can't distinguish one from the other!
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Your calculations obviously refer to the equator on the flat earth module and not the globe earth module, and you can't distinguish one from the other!
My values were based on a spinning round earth model. In that model, someone on the equator is being carried round at a speed of roughly 1000 mph due to the earth's spin. I've given you the g-value that results to show that it's quite small and wouldn't fling one off the earth. If one can get the same values from a static flat earth model, what causes them according to that model and how are they worked out? Your specific objection to the spinning round earth model (based on that 1000 mph speed) fails even if one can get the same g-values using a static flat earth model.
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My values were based on a spinning round earth model. In that model, someone on the equator is being carried round at a speed of roughly 1000 mph due to the earth's spin. I've given you the g-value that results to show that it's quite small and wouldn't fling one off the earth. If one can get the same values from a static flat earth model, what causes them according to that model and how are they worked out? Your specific objection to the spinning round earth model (based on that 1000 mph speed) fails even if one can get the same g-values using a static flat earth model.
You are wasting your time Reader. Anyone who is a holocaust denier is really muddled.
I have viewed two concentration camps when serving in the army and it is unquestionable it happened.
It is revolting that people still proclaim that it was not true.
We are not talking 6 people, not 60 people, not 600 people, not 6,000 people, not 60,000 people, not
6000,000 people but 6 million innocent people. If you don't believe that then little wonder you would think the world is flat. Like you would fall off the end.
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Its easy for you to say that but you can't prove it..
Your saying that a person standing at or on or in different parts of the earth are standing in a different orientation to eachother, and that depending upon who might be able to obserbve who, that the same persson could in theory be 'standing upright'? Standing 'sideways on this way'? Standing 'upside Down'?, and Standing 'sideways on that way', all 'at the same time'?
How crazy is that / this?
It's called physics and it has been proven - not sure how much more proof you would need? However, the ISS can be viewed from earth as it orbits the earth - you can see if for yourself https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/home.cfm
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It is also a fact that those poor wretches that escaped the death camps were murdered when they returned to their homes in Poland.
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My values were based on a spinning round earth model. In that model, someone on the equator is being carried round at a speed of roughly 1000 mph due to the earth's spin. I've given you the g-value that results to show that it's quite small and wouldn't fling one off the earth. If one can get the same values from a static flat earth model, what causes them according to that model and how are they worked out? Your specific objection to the spinning round earth model (based on that 1000 mph speed) fails even if one can get the same g-values using a static flat earth model.
There are no g - values as you put it in the flat earth module because the earth does not spin! It is the so called planets , the sun, the moon, and all the others which circulate around the set and fixed 'north star' above earths firmament...
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No need, there's an interview on Youtube! No ice wall or secret lands beyond it the man is talking about Antarctica! Watch the video and note how Byrd keeps referring to 'the bottom of the world' and mentions the '. Oh and they were NEVER sent packing in fear of their lives!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd
https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/debunking-the-flat-earth-admiral-byrd-conspiracy-part-3-of-4-the-flat-earth-antarctica-conspiracy
There are other interviews which you have not quoted - I wonder why?
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You are wasting your time Reader. Anyone who is a holocaust denier is really muddled.Yeah, well I'd much rather be 'muddled' as you say, than someonee who has been indoctinnated by the powers that be, and can't think for themselves! Another thing, don't speak on my behalf, I have never saiud that the holocaust did not occur, I was referring to the camp gas chambers which were tested for cyanide. The gassing of the victims obviously took place somewhere else that was not tested!
I have viewed two concentration camps when serving in the army and it is unquestionable it happened.
It is revolting that people still proclaim that it was not true. And its disgusting and abhorent that you can speak for somebody else without attempting to get to the true facts - so what you been in the fucking army, you have been indoctfrinated, you are bias, and no doubt you are still receiving your pension! Don't talk to me about the gassing of the jews, as though I am somebody who doesn't care, some of them were my descendants. Hey, listen I never joined the army keen on shooting people dead onj sight! You nasty piece of shit!
We are not talking 6 people, not 60 people, not 600 people, not 6,000 people, not 60,000 people, not
6000,000 people but 6 million innocent people. Yeah, and you wasn't one of them, and none of your relatives were any of them so shut your fucking lousy british establishment gob! Your a murderer yourself, you agreed to shoot and kill people if you were told to - don't come preaching to me about values and suffering!If you don't believe that then little wonder you would think the world is flat. Eberywhere you went as part of the British killing machine, it was flat, the seas were flat, and the skies were flat...Like you would fall off the end. Godbless our service men and women, I hope they have learned to have an open mind - how can you fall off the end of the world when its surounded by ice mountains?
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It's called physics and it has been proven - not sure how much more proof you would need? However, the ISS can be viewed from earth as it orbits the earth - you can see if for yourself https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/home.cfm
The fact that anybody might be able to see the ISS from earth or any part of the earth does not prove that the earth is a globe!
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It is also a fact that those poor wretches that escaped the death camps were murdered when they returned to their homes in Poland.
I know, my father fled from Poland as a young boy!
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I know, my father fled from Poland as a young boy!
Like many thousands of other young poles, they managed to get across europe by clinging to the axles of trains...
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Why is it, that the 'NORTH STAR' remains fixed from the vantage point of someone standing anywhere on the surface of the flat earth? You see, of the earth were a globe, the 'NORTH STAR' could never be said to be fixed...
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You are a total W"""""""
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You are a total W"""""""
Yeah, I am and your a murdering bastard, approved by the powers that be to kill other human beings! I'd rather be me, with a clean conscience!!!
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Water finds its own level - if the earth was a globe, it would fall off the face of the world!
And please, don't quote gravity because its all bunkem, there's no such thing as universal 'GRAVITY' per se, everything is governed by electromagnetic fields, which have co-ordinates, up, down, left, and right, and varying degrees of each...
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Yeah, I am and your a murdering bastard, approved by the powers that be to kill other human beings! I'd rather be me, with a clean conscience!!!
How am I a murdering bastard? How can you have a clean conscious.
You are a thieving liar. who thanks to the cops got you jailed.
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There are no g - values as you put it in the flat earth module because the earth does not spin! It is the so called planets , the sun, the moon, and all the others which circulate around the set and fixed 'north star' above earth's firmament...
The values I mentioned can be measured by anyone (and have been at various locations) and are consistent with a spinning ball-shaped earth model. I'm asking how one can calculate those values if the earth is taken to be static and (roughly) flat.
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Water finds its own level - if the earth was a globe, it would fall off the face of the world!
That presupposes that "its own level" is somewhere else, but you haven't provided any evidence for that.
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It is also a fact that those poor wretches that escaped the death camps were murdered when they returned to their homes in Poland.
Obviously, some survived, some died of malnutrition and/or disease, etc. My understanding is that about 6 million died directly or indirectly as a result of the holocaust.
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There are other interviews which you have not quoted - I wonder why?
So post them?
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That presupposes that "its own level" is somewhere else, but you haven't provided any evidence for that.
The oceans are primarily flat in orientation, they do not curve around an imaginary circumference of a globe of the earth! There is no such thing as universal gravity, which is being misrepresented, it's really a feature of electromagnetism, it's about the different levels of density in the ether, which react to forms of electromagnetism found in almost everything tangible. The earth does not rotate around the sun each day, it's too far away for that to happen!
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The oceans are primarily flat in orientation, they do not curve around an imaginary circumference of a globe of the earth! There is no such thing as universal gravity, which is being misrepresented, it's really a feature of electromagnetism, it's about the different levels of density in the ether, which react to forms of electromagnetism found in almost everything tangible. The earth does not rotate around the sun each day, it's too far away for that to happen!
Of course it doesn't, ;D it takes a year (appox 365 days) to rotate around the sun, hence the seasons! It takes 24 hours to rotate around it's axis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n04SEzuvXo
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The oceans are primarily flat in orientation, they do not curve around an imaginary circumference of a globe of the earth!
That's an assertion for which you provide no evidence, and you offer no suggestion as to what shape an ocean would adopt around a large globe, and don't explain what "an imaginary circumference" means. It's clear from the blunder that Caroline just commented on that you don't even notice when you write something that's essentially a massive blunder. Anyway, what's so special about oceans and why do you use the word "primarily"? An isolated water drop remains curved.
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Of course it doesn't, ;D it takes a year (appox 365 days) to rotate around the sun, hence the seasons! It takes 24 hours to rotate around it's axis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n04SEzuvXo
The earth does not rotate on an axis, it remains fixed in its plane, with the sun and the moon and the so called planets and star constellations rotating around the 'north Star'!!
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The oceans are primarily flat in orientation, they do not curve around an imaginary circumference of a globe of the earth!That's an assertion for which you provide no evidence, Of course I have supplied evidence, the seas are flat, lakes are flat..and you offer no suggestion as to what shape an ocean would adopt around a large globe, oceans can't form around a globe earth module...and don't explain what "an imaginary circumference" means. Well, an imaginary circumference is just that, it's imaginary, and doesn't exist!It's clear from the blunder that Caroline just commented on that you don't even notice when you write something that's essentially a massive blunder. I didn't make a blunder, what I said is correct! Anyway, what's so special about oceans and why do you use the word "primarily"? flat on the upper surface, but contoured at the bottom! An isolated water drop remains curved. Until it lands on something, and then it becomes flat!!
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(1) - https://youtu.be/ZehXHSxVVc8
Clouds behind the sun!
The sun cannot be 93 million miles from earth, NASA has brainwashed the masses filling their heads with lie after lie!
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If the sun is less than 53 miles above the earth, why does it take 365 days for the earth to orbit the sun in the globe module?
Seems an awful long time if the sun is not 93 million miles away, but less than 53 miles above the earth? Seems like somebody has made a humongous blunder trying to make out that I don't know what I am talking about, but just watch the real time video footage of the sun setting inside the clouds, clouds front of sun, and behind the sun! Seems like I'm not so dumb after all!
(1) - https://youtu.be/ZehXHSxVVc8
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Seems to me, that in the earth is a globe module the sun is 93 million miles away from the earth, and that in the flat earth module it's under 53 miles!
Now, somebody has dropped a right clanger !
How can the sun set in the clouds of the earth, yet be 93 million miles away from the earth?
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Seems to me, that in the earth is a globe module the sun is 93 million miles away from the earth, and that in the flat earth module it's under 53 miles!
Now, somebody has dropped a right clanger !
How can the sun set in the clouds of the earth, yet be 93 million miles away from the earth?
The funny thing is, the moon has also been captured with the clouds of the earth both in front of, and behind 'it'!
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So, with the sun and the moon captured in the clouds of earth, and the highest clouds being approximately 53 miles above the earth, both are much closer than we are being told! If they are much closer than we have been told, it means the sun and the moon are much smaller than we have been told!
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The earth does not rotate on an axis, it remains fixed in its plane, with the sun and the moon and the so called planets and star constellations rotating around the 'north Star'!!
You know perfectly well that Caroline was referring to the axis that exists in the rotating ball model for earth. That axis exists even if the model isn't accepted. Also, it's been well-known for centuries that the planets don't appear to rotate in the same way as the star constellations, which is why they've come to be called planets. You keep suggesting that they do.
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So, with the sun and the moon captured in the clouds of earth, and the highest clouds being approximately 53 miles above the earth, both are much closer than we are being told! If they are much closer than we have been told, it means the sun and the moon are much smaller than we have been told!
However, neither the sun nor the moon has been "captured in the clouds of earth". You are alluding to an optical illusion. If they were that close, they would look much bigger on some occasions when seen from within an airliner flying at high altitude, but that's not the case.
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You know perfectly well that Caroline was referring to the axis that exists in the rotating ball model for earth. That axis exists even if the model isn't accepted. The globe earth model does not exist!Also, it's been well-known for centuries that the planets don't appear to rotate in the same way as the star constellations, which is why they've come to be called planets. You keep suggesting that they do.
I have not commented upon the orbits of the planets, other than to say that they rotate around the fixed 'north Star' above the firmament of the earth!
I haven't said anything about the different planetary orbits, yet!
It's still not certain that any of these planets, including the sun are globe modules, themselves..
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However, neither the sun nor the moon has been "captured in the clouds of earth". You are alluding to an optical illusion. If they were that close, they would look much bigger on some occasions when seen from within an airliner flying at high altitude, but that's not the case.
Yes, the sun and the moon have been captured in the clouds, with clouds behind them, and in front of them - these are not optical illusions as you put it! They don't look bigger because they are not really big at all, the sun and the moon are a lot smaller than the powers that be tell us they are!
Watch the video footage, the sun has clouds behind it, and in front of it, there's no tricks it's genuine footage! With the sun being so small how come it would take the earth 365 days to travel around it in the globe earth module? It doesn't make sense!
The sun and the moon are much closer to the flat earth than we are being told!
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The globe earth model does not exist!
Don't be silly - the model is a theory, so it exists by virtue of having been thought of, even if the theory is rejected.
I have not commented upon the orbits of the planets, other than to say that they rotate around the fixed 'north Star' above the firmament of the earth!
They don't appear to rotate around the Pole star, and that's why they're called planets or (at one time) wandering stars. By the way, the rotation you referred to is around a point in the sky very close to the Pole star, rather than simply round the position of the Pole star.
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Don't be silly - the model is a theory, so it exists by virtue of having been thought of, even if the theory is rejected.
They don't appear to rotate around the Pole star, and that's why they're called planets or (at one time) wandering stars. By the way, the rotation you referred to is around a point in the sky very close to the Pole star, rather than simply round the position of the Pole star.
I admire your tenacity Reader but I think this is bit of a game on Mike's part :-\
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They don't look bigger because they are not really big at all
They would look bigger anyway if viewed from significantly closer, which would be possible by viewing them from a high altitude aircraft if they're as close as you assert. The moon's distance has been measured using radar. The results are consistent with results obtained by laser ranging.
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Watch the video footage, the sun has clouds behind it, and in front of it
No, it appears that is the case, but that doesn't imply it must be the case. You simply claim that video footage isn't misleading or is misleading, depending on whether or not it seems to support your theories. Various spacecraft have been sent into lunar orbit to photograph the moon, No, they haven't that's what you have been led to believe by the powers that be - them trying to justify the fraudulent budget they have been stealing monies and quality of life from! You obviously support these vile, greedy, so called pillars of society! They are the real crooks! but that's no problem - you can just claim all those trips have been faked. I don't need your permission or your consent to believe whatever I choose to be the truth! You are obviously one of the many who has been sold, and bought into the official discrepancy! When you feel like it, you even tell us about a mysterious "dark sun" you choose to deny it's existence, which is even worse than what your alleging about me! that's gone unnoticed by almost everyone. Again, No it's not been ignored by everyone else, just the brainwashed and indoctrinated amongst us who can't think outside the circle of lies that have been fed to the population from birth!When you're invited to take your own photograph of the ISS, I shan't be taking such a photograph because it will serve no purpose, all it will prove is that there is something above in the sky, it will not prove that 'it' is in space rotating the earth! you state that you might try to do that. Well, I've decided that I'm not doing anything you suggest that I must do, I don't have to do anything you say, as though you'd some sort of a god! I can think for myself, and unfortunately you don't know everything! You are set in your way and it's obvious that you reject any alternative view even when it's so obvious you are wrong!A bit later, you confirm that you're certain the ISS isn't in earth orbit, don't choose my words and meanings for me, I can think for myself, but it looks like you think that you can think for everybody else! I can make my own mind up without your help about anything!and that there are no artificial satellites in earth orbit. there are no satellites in earth's orbit, it's all utter bollocks!Every time, you are asked to provide evidence, I give an answer that you don't like!you don't or you refer us to very weak evidence or some over-exposed footage on youtube or the like. you don't decide the strength or the weakness of the truth, to do so exposed how concerned you are that you are supporting a pack of lies! For all your ideas, you've been unable to provide (or have avoided providing) any fine detail to support them. incorrect, I am never afraid to answer any questions, its you and those of the same ilk who cannot accept the truth, which is that the earth is flat!
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Don't be silly - the model is a theory, so it exists by virtue of having been thought of, even if the theory is rejected. The earth is not a globe... They don't appear to rotate around the Pole star, and that's why they're called planets or (at one time) wandering stars. That is incorrect, they do travel around the 'north star' but becaue they orbit on different planes, or orbit in retrograde motion they appear to wander... By the way, the rotation you referred to is around a point in the sky very close to the Pole star, rather than simply round the position of the Pole star. Everything rotates around, the region of the 'north star', and this could not happen if the earth was a globe and rotating on its own axis at around 1000 mph - therefore logic dictates that the earth is flat and that the sun, the moon, the so called planets, and the star constellations rotate chiefly this way, but some of the planets rotate that way too...
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They would look bigger anyway if viewed from significantly closer, which would be possible by viewing them from a high altitude aircraft if they're as close as you assert. Not necessarily true, since this might depend on not only the altitude these high altitude aeroplanes fly at, but rather more significantly the flight paths they are taking or take. I believe that passsengers are deliberately being prevented from making such observations due to the strict flightpaths that operate to get passengers from one part of the earth, west to east, and east to west, North to south, south to north, to the other..The moon's distance has been measured using radar. Not by me... The results are consistent with results obtained by laser ranging.Not by you, not by me, and not by almost every living person on the flat earth. It's just what we, you, they, them, us, have been told, and are being told. Why should anybody believe 'them'?
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No, it appears that is the case, but that doesn't imply it must be the case. You simply claim that video footage isn't misleading or is misleading, depending on whether or not it seems to support your theories. The video footage of clouds behind and in front of the sun is not misleading...Various spacecraft have been sent into lunar orbit to photograph the moon, Faked and misleading, nothing leaving earth can penetrate the inner edge of the earths firmament, I have already posted a link showing a miltary balloon crashing against it and exploading... but that's no problem - you can just claim all those trips have been faked. Just like you are claiming that the video footage of clouds behind and in front of the sun and the moon is faked, or misleading. Nothing that leaves earth can penetrate the inner edge of the firmament When you feel like it, you even tell us about a mysterious "dark sun" that's gone unnoticed by almost everyone. You can't physically see the 'dark sun' until it casts its shadow upon the moon, or the sun... When you're invited to take your own photograph of the ISS, you state that you might try to do that. I don't see what that will prove since aeroplanes can be photographed in the sky in daylight and at night, and that doesn't prove they are flying in space beyond Van allens radiation belt... A bit later, you confirm that you're certain the ISS isn't in earth orbit, It isn't, at least its not outside the inner edge of the earths firmament. and that there are no artificial satellites in earth orbit. If your version were true then why don't any of these satellites ever colide with one another? How come the radiation of the Van Allen belt doesn't interfere with, and cause Satelites to breakdown, and need parts replacing? Every time, you are asked to provide evidence, you don't Your asssertion is misleading since I do give an explanation as often as possible...or you refer us to very weak evidence or some over-exposed footage on youtube or the like. That is not true, I always provide an answer or a response, and the video footage you mention as being over exposed is just a figment of your imagination because it serves to support your argument. You have no evidence whatsoever that any of the video footage posted up is over exposed footage, which has been inteferred with, yet footage of the supposed moon landing has been debunked by showing that images in Nasa's video footage have been inserted, altered, and edited etc...For all your ideas, you've been unable to provide (or have avoided providing) any fine detail to support them. It's a bit like you, and almost everyone else who supports or advocates that the earth is a globe, you can't provide your own conclusive proof that the earth is a globe, you rely on the information and photographs, video footage, measurements provided to you all, by some other party! You can't prove anything yourself and don't like it when what you have been taught and that which you choose to believe is debunked! You then resort to attacking anyone who chooses to believe anything contrary to what you have been taught and what you yourself believe in - one method to support your ideas, beliefs and truths, and no other method or ny alterntive method for anyone else who opposes those ideas, beliefs and truths...
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The earth is flat with ice retaining all the waters of the oceans!
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In the earth is a globe module, the rising of the sun and the moon is problematic! Since, the perspective of the other person on the opposite side of the earth (180° away), let's say the UK and Australia produces a conflict in direction, where 'east' to 'west' in relation to the former, is 'west' to 'east' for the latter! How can the sun and the moon rise both in the 'east' and the 'west', yet set in the 'west' and the 'east' (at one and the same time)? A similar contradiction or inconsistency occurs involving a person standing on top of the world at an 'eastern' locale, as opposed to another person standing on top of the world in their orientation, since the sun and the moon would rise in the 'north' and the 'south', yet set in the 'south' and the 'north'!!!
Imagine the confusion which would arise if this were all true?
The sun and the moon would rise in the 'east' to 'west', rise from 'west' to 'east', rise from 'north' to 'south', and 'south' to 'north, and set 'west' to 'east', 'east' to 'west', 'south' to 'north', 'north' to 'south' all at the same time depending upon whereabouts on the earth a person might be! Now, how ridiculous would that be?
In the flat earth module, using a grid as a guide to what is deemed to be 'north', 'east', 'south' and 'west', no such complications or anomalies occur or happen!
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In the earth is a globe module, the rising of the sun and the moon is problematic! Since, the perspective of the other person on the opposite side of the earth (180° away), let's say the UK and Australia produces a conflict in direction, where 'east' to 'west' in relation to the former, is 'west' to 'east' for the latter! How can the sun and the moon rise both in the 'east' and the 'west', yet set in the 'west' and the 'east' (at one and the same time)? A similar contradiction or inconsistency occurs involving a person standing on top of the world at an 'eastern' locale, as opposed to another person standing on top of the world in their orientation, since the sun and the moon would rise in the 'north' and the 'south', yet set in the 'south' and the 'north'!!!
Imagine the confusion which would arise if this were all true?
The sun and the moon would rise in the 'east' to 'west', rise from 'west' to 'east', rise from 'north' to 'south', and 'south' to 'north, and set 'west' to 'east', 'east' to 'west', 'south' to 'north', 'north' to 'south' all at the same time depending upon whereabouts on the earth a person might be! Now, how ridiculous would that be?
In the flat earth module, using a grid as a guide to what is deemed to be 'north', 'east', 'south' and 'west', no such complications or anomalies occur or happen!
I think you are confusing physics with cake! :o
(https://www.flowerncakegallery.com/mysiteadmin/product_images/Chocolate-domb-cake.jpg)
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It's hard to believe that this thread has had such longevity, It is total cobblers.
It's ROUND get over it.
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It's hard to believe that this thread has had such longevity, It is total cobblers.
It's ROUND get over it.
The only flat issue here, is the effect it's had on the forum. most members seem to have given up :-\
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The only flat issue here, is the effect it's had on the forum. most members seem to have given up :-\
Yippee Caroline we agree again. :)
Are you coming to my way of thinking, or am I coming to yours? :P
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Yippee Caroline we agree again. :)
Are you coming to my way of thinking, or am I coming to yours? :P
Hee hee - perhaps we'll just meet in the middle? ;D ;D
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The earth is not a globe...
Many people have travelled round it and confirmed that it is.
. . . they do travel around the 'north star' but because they orbit on different planes, or orbit in retrograde motion they appear to wander...
Employing vague or different terms, such as "orbit" instead of "rotate", "on different planes", which is undefined, and "orbit in retrograde motion", which is also undefined, doesn't alter the fact that the planets move in a way that's very different from the apparent movement of the stars and isn't accounted for in detail by the model you favour, but is accounted for in a model that has the earth and other planets in approximately elliptical paths round the sun.
Everything rotates around the region of the 'north star', and this could not happen if the earth was a globe and rotating on its own axis at around 1000 mph
You've provided no detailed evidence to support that assertion. You've provided no detailed evidence to support any of your assertions. Why isn't the "dark sun" frequently noticed due to it blocking our view of some of the stars?
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I think you are confusing physics with cake! :o
(https://www.flowerncakegallery.com/mysiteadmin/product_images/Chocolate-domb-cake.jpg)
Your powers of reasoning are very limited - hence why you try to make fun of someone telling the truth1
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It's hard to believe that this thread has had such longevity, It is total cobblers.
It's ROUND get over it.
No, it's not...
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The only flat issue here, is the effect it's had on the forum. most members seem to have given up :-\
Oh, here we go...
Listen, the earth is flat, there's 'absolutely no doubt' whatsoever about that fact! A flat earth where up is up, down is down, to the right is to the right, and to the left us to the left! No need for anybody to be the right way up, the wrong way up, sideways on this way, or sideways in that way, it raining down , it raining up, it raining sideways this way, or sideways that way, no possibility of an aeroplane flying the right way up, it flying upside down, it flying sideways on this way, or sideways on that way, the globe earth module is debunked, it's absolute nonsense!
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Imagine the confusion which would arise if this were all true?
Okay, I'm imagining it.
Now, how ridiculous would that be?
Nothing like as ridiculous as your assertions about the dark sun. What's your explanation of satellite navigation or satellite television if there are no artificial satellites?
In the flat earth model, using a grid as a guide to what is deemed to be 'north', 'east', 'south' and 'west', no such complications or anomalies occur or happen!
In that case, provide the fine details of that model. What's blocking my view of the sun while it's seen to be high in the sky by someone in, say, Australia?
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Many people have travelled round it and confirmed that it is. No, they haven't, they been rotating above the flat earth and the general position of the 'north star'!
Employing vague or different terms, such as "orbit" instead of "rotate", "on different planes", which is undefined, and "orbit in retrograde motion", which is also undefined, doesn't alter the fact that the planets move in a way that's very different from the apparent movement of the stars and isn't accounted for in detail by the model you favour, It can be...but is accounted for in a model that has the earth and other planets in approximately elliptical paths round the sun. that is what you have been told, you can't prove it by any calculations you have done by yourself - you refer to 'their' indoctrinated explanation!
You've provided no detailed evidence to support that assertion. I have, and I can - you do not decide what is evidence or not in my account of the truth! I can think for myself and I can talk for myself, whereas you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the powers that be!You've provided no detailed evidence to support any of your assertions. Oh, yes I have, it's not my fault that you can't recognise that evidence!Why isn't the "dark sun" frequently noticed due to it blocking our view of some of the stars? Maybe it's because the powers that be have never intended for those of you to know the truth about? How do you know such tests would produce results favouring what you allege? Be careful what you say because if such a study were undertaken it might serve to prove that which you assert cannot and does not happen!
Obviously, you have done your own study of this phenomena, so please post up a link so that I can review the data, and conclusions!
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Okay, I'm imagining it. that's just the point, you wouldn't accept what that proposition would be!
Nothing like as ridiculous as your assertions about the dark sun. Are you being serious? You only have to see the moon up in the sky along with the sun! Please explain to me how the earth can be blocking sunlight shone toward the moon, when the sun and the moon are in the same general part of the sky in daylight? Now it's inadequate to try and suggest that the sun only lights up parts of the moon at a 180° angle, or whatever, because using trigonometry someone on the surface of the earth would see it from a different angle, and as such the moon should be illuminated likewise! What's your explanation of satellite navigation or satellite television if there are no artificial satellites? I am pleased you have asked these questions, since I do know quite a lot about this! But, no doubt you will try to ridicule what I can and do say about this. Rest assured that there are no satellites, it's a massive deception, the psyhoning of public monies being at the heart of the matter by the powers that be! In that case, provide the fine details of that model. I will when I'm ready!What's blocking my view of the sun while it's seen to be high in the sky by someone in, say, Australia? a person's perception - is limited by the total distance of sight a human being can see, and recognise! Once the point of invisibility is reached at the distant arising, explain how it could be possible for the human eye to suddenly be able to distinguish in that sighting a different horizon where night becomes day, or day becomes night, or any variation of these? The furthest a person can see is down to the very last pixel in their path of vision, how can it be possible for a person to acquire extra pixels to allow them to see beyond the last pixel on the event horizon that they are engaged with?
Unless this is done by use of binoculars, or telescope? There is one way of proving this to be true but I doubt you or anybody in favour of the earth is a globe module would encourage it's investigating!!
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I propose the following expedition should be undertaken with a view to confirming that the earth is flat!
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No, they haven't
You've provided no evidence for that assertion.
It can be.
Then provide the details, including the sizes of the sun, moon, and earth, etc.
I have, and I can
You haven't provided any basic numerical details, such as the sizes of the sun moon and earth.
Oh, yes I have, it's not my fault that you can't recognise that evidence!
You've provided no numerical details related to your static, flat earth model. You've used descriptions along the lines of "much smaller than you've been told", but not provided any numbers, not even the size of the earth.
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You've provided no evidence for that assertion. They fly around the flat earth, not around a globe of the earth... Then provide the details, including the sizes of the sun, moon, and earth, etc. I can assert that the size of the sun has a value of 'A', that the size of the moon has a value of 'B', and that the size of the earth has a value of 'C'... You haven't provided any basic numerical details, such as the sizes of the sun moon and earth. 'A', 'B', and 'C'.. You've provided no numerical details related to your static, flat earth model. I have just given them to you!You've used descriptions along the lines of "much smaller than you've been told", but not provided any numbers, not even the size of the earth. As I say, I have now provided the values for your attention!
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The highest point above sea level is the peak of mount Everest - I assert that a person standing at the top of mount Everest, armed with the most powerful binoculars and telescope ever manufactured would be able to see the furthest parts of the flat earth, east to west, north to south!
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Your powers of reasoning are very limited - hence why you try to make fun of someone telling the truth1
As with most things, I will consider the source but given the title of this thread and YOUR reasoning in it, I think your comment is pretty rich.
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Oh, here we go...
Listen, the earth is flat, there's 'absolutely no doubt' whatsoever about that fact! A flat earth where up is up, down is down, to the right is to the right, and to the left us to the left! No need for anybody to be the right way up, the wrong way up, sideways on this way, or sideways in that way, it raining down , it raining up, it raining sideways this way, or sideways that way, no possibility of an aeroplane flying the right way up, it flying upside down, it flying sideways on this way, or sideways on that way, the globe earth module is debunked, it's absolute nonsense!
It certainly is!
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As with most things, I will consider the source but given the title of this thread and YOUR reasoning in it, I think your comment is pretty rich.
you are brainwashed and indoctrinated, trying to make fun of something so serious beggars belief! You only know what the powers that be want you to know and believe! The earth is flat, it's total nonsense that it is a globe! You wouldn't recognise the truth if it hit you in the face! Hey, but that's your choice!
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Here is the value for the size of the 'dark sun' - 'D'..
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Here is the value for the size of the 'dark sun's - 'D'..
For the purpose of appearing to be complete, here are my values for the sizes of the other planets:-
Venus = 'V'
Mars = 'M'
Mercury = 'ME'
Jupiter = 'J'
Saturn = 'S'
Uranus = 'U'
Neptune = 'N'
Pluto = 'P'
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For the purpose of appearing to be complete, here are my values for the sizes of the other planets:-
Venus = 'V'
Mars = 'M'
Mercury = 'ME'
Jupiter = 'J'
Saturn = 'S'
Uranus = 'U'
Neptune = 'N'
Pluto = 'P'
The size of the flat earth as a value 'E'..
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The actual orbits of the planets around the fixed 'north star' (NS) have the following values:-
Sun - 'A/NS/A'
Moon - 'B/NS/B'
Venus - 'V/NS/V'
Mars - 'M/NS/M'
Mercury - 'ME/NS/ME'
Jupiter - 'J/NS/J'
Saturn - 'S/NS/S'
Uranus - 'U/NS/U'
Neptune - 'N/NS/N'
Pluto - 'P/NS/P'
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you are brainwashed and indoctrinated, trying to make fun of something so serious beggars belief! You only know what the powers that be want you to know and believe! The earth is flat, it's total nonsense that it is a globe! You wouldn't recognise the truth if it hit you in the face! Hey, but that's your choice!
You other day when I asked what the point of such a lie would be you said;
Control of the masses, creation of economies and financial...
So I asked;
So if it were revealed to be flat, we would have no control over the masses, no economies or finance? That doesn't really make any sense - does it?
Why would someone suddenly think "I know how to control the masses, I'll tell them the earth is spherical". So, again, what would be the point of such a lie?
Also, where are the 'other video's' of as mentioned below? If they back up what you say 'I wonder why' you haven't posted them?
There are other interviews which you have not quoted - I wonder why?
Finally, what is your explanation of GPS, satellite phones and TV? You were glad that Reader asked then neglected to answer.
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You other day when I asked what the point of such a lie would be you said;
So I asked;
Why would someone suddenly think "I know how to control the masses, I'll tell them the earth is spherical". So, again, what would be the point of such a lie? You can be happy that the powers that be are laundering and obtaining monies in the deferent economies of the world, which makes the individuals of the powers that be, are getting richer and richer at the populations expense, but I have seen the extent of this dishonesty and I have decided to make a stance against it! I am not scared to speak my mind! Most people in positions of power are themselves corrupt, they get away with being so because positions held by the people bring with it dishonest benefits!
Also, where are the 'other video's' of as mentioned below? If they back up what you say 'I wonder why' you haven't posted them? I will post the video links when I am good and ready...
Finally, what is your explanation of GPS, satellite phones and TV? You were glad that Reader asked then neglected to answer. Again, I will give my explanation when I am good and ready!
In the meantime, I am amused at you, Readers, and others views regarding the preposterous claim that the earth is a globe! The truth of the matter, is that it is not a globe, the earth is primarily flat shrouded by ice mass...
People on the earth cannot possibly be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, and sideways on that way, not only in relation to another person's perspective elsewhere on the earth, but rather hilariously, people in one part or locale on the earth's surface, could be deemed to be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, and side ways on that way at one and the same time! It's bonkers! How the hell can somebody be deemed to be standing upright, whilst at the same time be deemed to be upside down, or sideways on this way, or sideways on that way? Worse still, that somebodies up and down, and east and west, could be somebody elses down and up, and west to east, it is total bunkem! How can it rain down at the top of the earth, yet it be raining upwards at the opposite side of the earth in a globe module? How can rain fall sideways on this way, and sideways on that way, at the same time?
The lot of you are all bonkers, brainwashed and indoctrinated into the will of the powers that be!
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The actual orbits of the planets around the fixed 'north star' (NS) have the following values:-
Sun - 'A/NS/A'
Moon - 'B/NS/B'
Venus - 'V/NS/V'
Mars - 'M/NS/M'
Mercury - 'ME/NS/ME'
Jupiter - 'J/NS/J'
Saturn - 'S/NS/S'
Uranus - 'U/NS/U'
Neptune - 'N/NS/N'
Pluto - 'P/NS/P'
Based on video footage, and photographs, the sizes of the sun, the moon and the dark sun, are very similar in dimensions, and located much closer to the earth than the powers that be, tell us that they are...
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Are you being serious?
Yes, but if you are being serious, why haven't you posted sizes for the earth, sun and moon?
Please explain to me how the earth can be blocking sunlight shone toward the moon, when the sun and the moon are in the same general part of the sky in daylight
There's nothing to explain, because such blocking never happens.
. . . someone on the surface of the earth would see it from a different angle, and as such the moon should be illuminated likewise!
It's well-known and easily observable that the moon is illuminated differently from the viewpoint of an observer at a different location on earth, so why use an exclamation mark?
Rest assured that there are no satellites, it's a massive deception
I'd like to know how satellite navigation works without satellites - "rest assured" doesn't cut it.
. . . how it could be possible for the human eye to suddenly be able to distinguish in that sighting a different horizon where night becomes day . . .
I didn't ask about distance or any horizon or about the capability of my eyes. I asked what blocks my view of the sun when it's seen to be above Australia.
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There are no satellites - instead there are are underground cables and radio masts! Information and data gets transferred from place to place around the flat earth that utilizes new technology whereby 'signals can be bounced' off the surface of the inner firmament!
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You can be happy that the powers that be are laundering and obtaining monies in the deferent economies of the world, which makes the individuals of the powers that be, are getting richer and richer at the populations expense, but I have seen the extent of this dishonesty and I have decided to make a stance against it! I am not scared to speak my mind! Most people in positions of power are themselves corrupt, they get away with being so because positions held by the people bring with it dishonest benefits! Admirable - I'm sure BUT what has ANY of that got to do with the shape of the earth and the reason for making such a lie?
I will post the video links when I am good and ready... If you had some, you would post them
Finally, what is your explanation of GPS, satellite phones and TV? You were glad that Reader asked then neglected to answer. Again, I will give my explanation when I am good and ready! As above
In the meantime, I am amused at you, Readers, and others views regarding the preposterous claim that the earth is a globe! The truth of the matter, is that it is not a globe, the earth is primarily flat shrouded by ice mass...
People on the earth cannot possibly be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, and sideways on that way, not only in relation to another person's perspective elsewhere on the earth, but rather hilariously, people in one part or locale on the earth's surface, could be deemed to be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, and side ways on that way at one and the same time! It's bonkers! How the hell can somebody be deemed to be standing upright, whilst at the same time be deemed to be upside down, or sideways on this way, or sideways on that way? Worse still, that somebodies up and down, and east and west, could be somebody elses down and up, and west to east, it is total bunkem! How can it rain down at the top of the earth, yet it be raining upwards at the opposite side of the earth in a globe module? How can rain fall sideways on this way, and sideways on that way, at the same time?
The lot of you are all bonkers, brainwashed and indoctrinated into the will of the powers that be!
I think you're just having a laugh, and don't actually believe anything you have posted in this thread. Still, it passes the time I suppose.
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Yes, but if you are being serious, why haven't you posted sizes for the earth, sun and moon?
There's nothing to explain, because such blocking never happens. correct, because it's the 'dark sun' that produces the phases of the moon, when it sits in between the sun and the moon! With the sun and the phases of the moon in the same region of the sky, the earth can't possibly be responsible for the shadow on the moon at any particular phase of the moon! It's well-known and easily observable that the moon is illuminated differently from the viewpoint of an observer at a different location on earth, so why use an exclamation mark? Don't, concern, yourself, with, my, use, of, grammar! I'd like to know how satellite navigation works without satellites - "rest assured" doesn't cut it. 'triangulation' technology where information, signals and data are bounced off the underside of the inner firmament!... I didn't ask about distance or any horizon or about the capability of my eyes. I asked what blocks my view of the sun when it's seen to be above Australia. The beam of sunlight is not available to your perception or perspective, it's too far away for you to recognise as light, once what you can see has been reduced to the last pixel on your event horizon - once the singular pixel of visibility is reached or achieved by the capability of your eye sight, your perspective cannot miraculously increase the number of pixels available to you in any increase in pixels of the same view!
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I think you're just having a laugh, and don't actually believe anything you have posted in this thread. Still, it passes the time I suppose.
No, this is a very serious subject!
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I had years and years of false imprisonment to learn how to think and philosophise - my reasoning is sound, achieved at peril of isolation!
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I had years and years of false imprisonment to learn how to think and philosophise - my reasoning is sound, achieved at peril of isolation!
The earth is flat, it's not a globe, the moon and the sun are much closer to the earth than the powers that be have sought to brainwash everybody into believing and accepting! It's all about money, and that kit having a good standard of living, they embezzle funds from the public purse, on false pretences! The system is corrupt, it doesn't like anybody who can think for themselves, or anybody who chooses not to abide by the rules the powers that be, seek to impose upon everybody! Once you become a victim of the system, gradually it opens your eyes to the injustice of the system, and the people running or operating that system! Corruption and dishonesty is rife!
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Did you know, for example that most of the people who went to the South Pole with Admiral Byrd were all 'freemasons'?
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Did you know, for example that most of the people who went to the South Pole with Admiral Byrd were all 'freemasons'?
Admiral Byrd himself, was a freemason!!
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Admiral Byrd himself, was a freemason!!
Nod, wink, funny handshake, a jig, oh and a donation to charity...
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Have you any idea who funded all of Admiral Byrd's expeditions to the north and south poles?
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They fly around the flat earth, not around a globe of the earth.
That's just an assertion, not evidence.
I can assert that the size of the sun has a value of 'A', that the size of the moon has a value of 'B', and that the size of the earth has a value of 'C'
Is that in miles or inches or dunnos? Which other website gives those values?
I say, I have now provided the values for your attention!
Or you've just posted a few letters because you don't want to supply (or can't supply) verifiable details.
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Did you know, for example that most of the people who went to the South Pole with Admiral Byrd were all 'freemasons'?/quote]
I think "most of them . . . were all" is unclear.
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That's just an assertion, not evidence. your belief that aeroplanes fly around a globe of the earth is not evidence either, it's just an explanation of your beliefs! Well, I have given you my explanation, it's not my problem that you don't except my explanation as evidence! What I am telling you is the truth, I have no reason to lie about anything such as this! Is that in miles or inches or dunnos? it can be in miles,
and inches, or dunnos, you decide! Which other website gives those values? This information / evidence is available on several internet links depending upon that which you want to contemplate! Or you've just posted a few letters because you don't want to supply (or can't supply) verifiable details. there are lots of verifyable links, but rather than saturate you with them all, I think it's important to get your views down so that it's on record what you are saying, and what your believing in, before we get to that stage.
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Did you know, for example that most of the people who went to the South Pole with Admiral Byrd were all 'freemasons'?/quote]
I think "most of them . . . were all" is unclear.
Oh, I see...
There is a specific figure relating to this comment, along with names, but I guess that's something of just a coincidence I guess?
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Have you any idea who funded all of Admiral Byrd's expeditions to the north and south poles?
Have you no idea?
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Have you no idea?
Who do you think this is?
Did you know, or were you aware, that this person was a freemason?
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Do you know anything at all about Admiral Byrd's expedition to the South Pole, codenamed 'Operation High Jump'?
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Has it ever crossed your mind, that the longitude and latitude lines on a globe of the earth are known to be problematic at the north and south poles (distortion)?
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Has it ever crossed your mind, that the longitude and latitude lines on a globe of the earth are known to be problematic at the north and south poles (distortion)?
I wonder why such distortions exist, if the earth is really a globe?
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No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
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Who do you think this is?
Did you know, or were you aware, that this person was a freemason?
'Rockafeller'
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Yes, it is.
No, it's not!
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The filthy rich are deeply involved in this deception!
Money talks...
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There are no satellites - instead there are are underground cables and radio masts!
How would that enable a satnav to determine its current location and why did you type "are" three times?
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The filthy rich are deeply involved in this deception!
Money talks...
Despite the earth being flat, the way to make big profits and put public funds in your pocket was to promote the big lie that the earth was a globe!
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How would that enable a satnav to determine its current location and why did you type "are" three times?
To emphasise the points!
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According to information on certain internet links, they were testing bouncing lasers (at first) off the inner surface of the earth's firmament, and discovered that such a laser could be bounced' off at different angles depending upon the position of receptors positioned at different parts of the earth! Hence, why satellite dishes all over the world were introduced to help promote the myth that the customers were receiving signals from imaginary satellites! But, there are no satellites, the signals get broadcast and transmitted via this technology, and which also makes use of strategically located and positioned radio masts and underground (under water) cables!!!
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According to information on certain internet links, they were testing bouncing lasers (at first) off the inner surface of the earth's firmament, and discovered that such a laser could be bounced' off at different angles depending upon the position of receptors positioned at different parts of the earth! Hence, why satellite dishes all over the world were introduced to help promote the myth that the customers were receiving signals from imaginary satellites! But, there are no satellites, the signals get broadcast and transmitted via this technology, and which also makes use of strategically located and positioned radio masts and underground (under water) cables!!!
Triangulation, that is the technology that has been adapted and developed over time to the present date, which serves to provide GOS, and satellite TV services, and the like!
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What can you make of this snapshot of one such internet link on a feature of the subject I have been alluding to?
Oh, look...
Scientific approach and conclusions touching upon that which I have talked about?
Seems like there is scientific data available supporting things I am talking about...
an 'invisible Sheild' in the earth's atmosphere...
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Despite the earth being flat, the way to make big profits and put public funds in your pocket was to promote the big lie that the earth was a globe!
Yes, you've said that but one has nothing to do with the other.
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The earth is flat and surrounded by a 360° wall of ice..
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What can you make of this snapshot of one such internet link on a feature of the subject I have been alluding to?
The study referred to is incompatible with your view that no artificial satellites have been put into orbit, as it is based on data relating to the Van Allen belts collected by artificial satellites.
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The study referred to is incompatible with your view that no artificial satellites have been put into orbit, as it is based on data relating to the Van Allen belts collected by artificial satellites.
No, it doesn't, it's dealing with an 'invisible Shield' in the earth's firmament, what I refer to as the inner edge of it...
I previously posted a link which showed a balloon hitting this invisible shield and exploding! I posted that link to try and demonstrate that objects can't travel beyond that 'invisible Shield' from below. Hence, why there can be no such things as satellites, it's all nonsense! What actually happens is that radio waves and data can be bounced' off this invisible shield and be picked up through equipment such as satellite dishes which receive the information and data through a process of triangulation! Other information is transmitted via radio masts, and underground, under sea cables! It's all a massive hoax enabling the powers that be to rake off public funding to maintain a select fews good standard of living!
(1) - https://youtu.be/SfY3DvPuj_I
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How am I a murdering bastard? How can you have a clean conscious.
You are a thieving liar. who thanks to the cops got you jailed.
Your a murdering bastard by choice!
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Admiral Byrd took just under 5000 personnel and warships, aeroplanes and other hardware on his last expedition to the south pole, but they retreated rather hastily as a result of a confrontation, lives were lost, hardware and equipment destroyed, with no reported casualties on the other side - who or what were Byrd and his armada fleeing from?
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The planets, like the sun and the moon travel around the flat earth in thier own (horizontally, or inclined) orbital planes. contrary to what the powers that be tell everybody, The sun is much closer to the earth than all the other planets except the moon and the dark sun (moon being closest, then the dark sun and then the sun)! The phases of the moon are created by the position of the moon and the dark sun (or vice versa) the latter of which casts its shadow on the surface of the moon - the claim that it is the earth in between the moon and the sun can be discounted altogether because of the fact that the sun and the moon are frequent seen in the same region of the sky at high altitude (well above the horizon)...
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Your a murdering bastard by choice!
Are you suggesting that all members of the armed forces are murderers?
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Admiral Byrd took just under 5000 personnel and warships, aeroplanes and other hardware on his last expedition to the south pole, but they retreated rather hastily as a result of a confrontation, lives were lost, hardware and equipment destroyed, with no reported casualties on the other side - who or what were Byrd and his armada fleeing from?
You have posted no proof of what you are saying - I wonder why? THey weren't fleeing from anyone and what casualties?
This is an account of that expedition and I have already posted the interview it refers to. I am sure you will just dismiss it and keep posting the same unfounded nonsense.
Operation Highjump (1946–1947)
Admiral Byrd during Operation Deep Freeze I (Dec. 1955)
In 1946, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal appointed Byrd as officer in charge of Antarctic Developments Project. Byrd's fourth Antarctic expedition was codenamed Operation Highjump.[2] It was the largest Antarctic expedition to date and was expected to last six to eight months.
The expedition was supported by a large naval force (designated Task Force 68), commanded by Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen. There were thirteen US Navy support ships (besides the flagship USS Mount Olympus and the aircraft carrier USS Philippine Sea), six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders, and fifteen other aircraft. The total number of personnel involved was over 4,000.
The armada arrived in the Ross Sea on December 31, 1946, and made aerial explorations of an area half the size of the United States, recording ten new mountain ranges. The major area covered was the eastern coastline of Antarctica from 150 degrees east to the Greenwich meridian.
Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expeditions command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:
"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety.
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Are you suggesting that all members of the armed forces are murderers?
Yeah, they sign up to kill other people, so yes..
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You have posted no proof of what you are saying - I wonder why? THey weren't fleeing from anyone and what casualties? Don't concern yourself with what proof I have got, and for your information I already viewed the interview you have posted, I'm not on about this interview, I'm on about another one which tells a different story about what happened
This is an account of that expedition and I have already posted the interview it refers to. I am sure you will just dismiss it and keep posting the same unfounded nonsense. The only person talking nonsense here and now is you, because you are taking a stance without having sight of the interview I was referring to? You don't know half as much as your trying to make out! Byrd's fleet fled the region of the South Pole as I've described, there's even video footage of that fact available!
Operation Highjump (1946–1947)
Admiral Byrd during Operation Deep Freeze I (Dec. 1955)
In 1946, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal appointed Byrd as officer in charge of Antarctic Developments Project. Byrd's fourth Antarctic expedition was codenamed Operation Highjump.[2] It was the largest Antarctic expedition to date and was expected to last six to eight months.
The expedition was supported by a large naval force (designated Task Force 68), commanded by Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen. There were thirteen US Navy support ships (besides the flagship USS Mount Olympus and the aircraft carrier USS Philippine Sea), six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders, and fifteen other aircraft. The total number of personnel involved was over 4,000.
The armada arrived in the Ross Sea on December 31, 1946, and made aerial explorations of an area half the size of the United States, recording ten new mountain ranges. The major area covered was the eastern coastline of Antarctica from 150 degrees east to the Greenwich meridian.
Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expeditions command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:
"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety.
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Yeah, they sign up to kill other people, so yes..
You are so wrong on many points Mike. Most including me signed up to defend our democracy.
It is alarming that people like you think this way when you consider the fate of many folk were put to death by the Nazi's, and this country alone at the time stood up to Hitler.
I am proud of my time in the military, and would do if all again. My schoolboy friend was shot and killed
in Aden. His mother was devastated and never got over it. She told me she wanted to die so she could be with her son again. She died four years later at 47 and I hope she got her wish.
You need to rethink your views Mike, as it is an insult to our brave troops.
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No, it doesn't, it's dealing with an 'invisible Shield' in the earth's firmament, what I refer to as the inner edge of it
Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.
While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, he believes there is more to the story. “I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time,” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department.
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What I am telling you is the truth, I have no reason to lie about anything such as this.
It's not exactly lying... you say you came to believe what you posted after a period of thinking about it, so you changed your mind over a period of time. After some further thought, you might change your mind again. In the meanwhile, giving deliberately unhelpful answers that say things along the lines of "I could provide links, but I won't do that yet" or "it's size is A" is only marginally better than telling lies. You're mostly giving your opinions, which is quite different from giving "the truth".
What you post frequently sounds very implausible for easily noticed reasons. For example, why call an invisible body "the dark sun" rather than "the dark object" or "the dark body" when there's absolutely nothing to indicate that it's a sun?
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The only person talking nonsense here and now is you, because you are taking a stance without having sight of the interview I was referring to? You don't know half as much as your trying to make out! Byrd's fleet fled the region of the South Pole as I've described, there's even video footage of that fact available!
I would bet that the interview is never posted, but you will continue to use the 'notion' of it's existence as proof for your claims. Such claims are empty without proof. I am not concerned with what proof you have because I don't believe you have any.
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I would bet that the interview is never posted, but you will continue to use the 'notion' of it's existence as proof for your claims. Such claims are empty without proof. I am not concerned with what proof you have because I don't believe you have any. The earth is flat with a domed firmament, and that is all you need to be told at the moment. You wouldn't be able to handle the full truth because to do so you would have to admit that you've been had over by the powers that be, and you can't handle being had over by anyone, in my opinion...
You've made it clear that you don't believe anything anybody says that contradicts your own beliefs, even though you can't prove what you believe yourself!
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It's not exactly lying... you say you came to believe what you posted after a period of thinking about it, so you changed your mind over a period of time. After some further thought, you might change your mind again. I doubt it, I have looked at everything and there is absolutely no room for the earth being a globe! Its flat with a domed firmamment... In the meanwhile, giving deliberately unhelpful answers that say things along the lines of "I could provide links, but I won't do that yet" or "it's size is A" is only marginally better than telling lies. I await your views and when the time is right I will post the links...You're mostly giving your opinions, Everything anybody says is usually their opinion of something or other, but when I choose to do it you make false claims that it can't be true witout any evidence to prove that what I am saying is untrue, or deliberately misleading...which is quite different from giving "the truth". That's a matter of opinion
What you post frequently sounds very implausible No, it doesn't it is factual and proven!for easily noticed reasons. That's just your opinion, you have no evidence to support that which you are suggesting, and its obvious that you know nothing about the major event that took place at the South pole... For example, why call an invisible body "the dark sun" Because thats what its called, its called the 'dark sun' because it generates no heat or light, its purpose appears to be connected with the relationship between the sun and the moon, as it circulates above the earth in the earths firmament! The only time we see the 'dark sun' is when it blocks off direct sunlight from the sun upon the flat surface of the moon, as when the phases of the moon are prevalent...rather than "the dark object" its correct name is the 'dark sun', I have not made any of that up...or "the dark body" (or even the dark knight) when there's absolutely nothing to indicate that it's a sun? Other than its orbit is tied in with the orbit of the sun above the earth in the earths firmament, and its similar in size to both the sun and the moon...
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Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.
While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, he believes there is more to the story. “I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time,” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department.
I think Baker was a freemason wasn't he?
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You've made it clear that you don't believe anything anybody says that contradicts your own beliefs, even though you can't prove what you believe yourself!
I posted a video of Admiral Byrd (which is more than you did!) talking about his expedition and he mentions NONE of what you posted. I'm not sure what you REALLY believe, I think you just like being provocative.
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Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.
While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, Puzzling because one of its features is that it appears to be invisible and made out some sort of electrosplasmic material he believes there is more to the story. In his opinion...“I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, Without saying exactly how observations were going to have to be made to keep observing the region in exquisite detail... which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. Without saying much about the probes in question, which in any event would malfunction and break down due to the constant mass of radiation. I have already posted up a link showing how a military balloon crashed against the inner lining of the invisible sheild and exploded and reurned to earth! If the sheild can do that to a military balloon what chance or prospect of say a drone type satellite getting beyond the same point in the sky, which we know because of scientific tests which have been conducted thaat thiis invisible sheild exists about 73 miles in altitude above the surface of the earth.. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time, The key point here is which side of the shield will the sun breach the sheild for a period of time? Paving the way for the sun to operate much closer to the earth at a minimum distance of around 53 miles but presumely on Bakers own opinion, the sun may operate beyond the 73 mile invisible sheild, and beyond, or what ever...” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department. Notice how Baker talks in expert jargon, rather than basic American English, or English and he fails to explain exactly what he means when he speaks about the sun breaching the sheild for a peeriod of time?
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I think Baker was a freemason wasn't he?
I don't know whether he was. I notice you didn't dispute that the article refers to the use of data from the Van Allen probes.
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I posted a video of Admiral Byrd (which is more than you did!) talking about his expedition and he mentions NONE of what you posted. I'm not sure what you REALLY believe, I think you just like being provocative.
You really have no idea what the expeditions to the south pole were really all about, do you?
When you findd out the truth it might suddenly dawn upon you why the admirals fleet made a very hasty retreat from the south pole....
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I don't know whether he was. I notice you didn't dispute that the article refers to the use of data from the Van Allen probes. I know precisely which probes he was referring to, (military balloons) which scraoped against the inner edge of the earths dome (which appears to be made out of some kind of translucent material according to scientific tests that were done) and then exploded and were sent crashing back down to terra firma! Nothing can apparently penetrate the dome, and I mean nothing at all; least of all imaginary satellites, and space ships god forbid (ha, ha, ha, if only you knew the absolute truth)
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You are so wrong on many points Mike. Most including me signed up to defend our democracy.
It is alarming that people like you think this way when you consider the fate of many folk were put to death by the Nazi's, and this country alone at the time stood up to Hitler.
I am proud of my time in the military, and would do if all again. My schoolboy friend was shot and killed
in Aden. His mother was devastated and never got over it. She told me she wanted to die so she could be with her son again. She died four years later at 47 and I hope she got her wish.
You need to rethink your views Mike, as it is an insult to our brave troops.
Don't forget the innocent victims who were killed and maimed as a result of our troops going into battle, and the innocent women, children, elderly people and the disabled and sick, who died or were maimed as a result of our service men and women dropping bombs from flying killing machines on them! These victims were also very brave and should not be forgotten...
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but presumably on Baker's own opinion, the sun may operate beyond the 73 mile invisible shield
The snapshot you posted referred to something 7,200 miles above the earth, not 73 miles or anything near that.
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You really have no idea what the expeditions to the south pole were really all about, do you?
When you findd out the truth it might suddenly dawn upon you why the admirals fleet made a very hasty retreat from the south pole....
I prefer to believe the man himself, so no hasty retreat and again, without proof to your claims it's just you saying it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
This supposed live feed is a studio set, faking something that basically isn't happenning out in space at a supposed 253 miles in altitude, and hurtling along at 17, 164 MPH, yet straps and other items have been capture on film by me, floating around like feathers on the breeze, there is no way that astronauts would be behaving as there are ddoing outside the ISS at such altitude and whilst travelling at such a prolific rate of speed! Its all fake, and surely no muppet is going to fall for such a poor presentation by NASA!
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This supposed live feed is a studio set, faking something that basically isn't happenning out in space at xxxxx number of feet in altitude!!!
Yep, knew you were going to say that.
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I doubt the feed is live but it;s certainly not fake, point is, you can see the earth is ROUND
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Try this one .... https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/
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Yep, knew you were going to say that.
Are you for real?
The ISS is supposedly 253 miles up in altitude, hurtling along at 17, 164 MPH and there is no effect on the clowns who are acting as astronauts, or straps and other equipment floating about as if there is hardly any gravity, what at 17, 164 MPH, are you joking?
Thats not all I noticed, because I was jumping back and forth from screen to screen, that I had loaded up and guess what these NASA prats have gone and done, they were suppose to be in the shadow of the earth (darkness) yet the footage continued in bright sunshine!!!
Can you believe that / this?
What a cheap and nasty attempt to fool the general public this was / is....
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I doubt the feed is live but it;s certainly not fake, point is, you can see the earth is ROUND
Hang on a minute, stop making excuses up for these international criminals - the feeds say its live, the other screens I had loaded up said the position as marked by a cross showed the exact position of the astronauts above the earth in real time, and the other screen showed the exact position along its supposed flightpath with all sorts of statistics, showing date, time, speed the ISS was supposed to be hurtling along (fucking 17, 164 MPH) at an impossible altitude of 253 miles, are you kidding me? Nothing can get beyond the invisible sheild which has been measured as being about 73 miles in altitude, so please spare me the nonsense that you are going along with, the ISS cannot be that high up in altitude, the furthest it can go is 73 miles in altitude, and no higher...
I've captured it all on video, and photographs, NASA had beetter beware because I am going to be making something big out of this deception!
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I prefer to believe the man himself, so no hasty retreat and again, without proof to your claims it's just you saying it.
You are going to be very disappointed, when you find out what Byrds expedition set out to achieve, and what followed on afterwards in 1962...
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Other countries had already got troops and scientists housed up in Little America long before Admiral Byrd arrived there at the South Pole, including a team from the United Kingdom...
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The snapshot you posted referred to something 7,200 miles above the earth, not 73 miles or anything near that.
Yeah, that is misleading, I didn't intend for anyone to rely upon or refer to those figures - what actually happened was that for some innocent reason I forgot to post up a copy of a still image that I took from video footage of a military experiment where a rocket was fired up to try and penetrate the earths dome! (I shall post the image in question attached to this post)The rocket in question had on board video equipment and when it reached 73 miles in altititude it hit the underside of the invisible sheild that is part of the dome matrix which encapsulates the flat earth! When the rocket hit the earths dome it malfunctioned and crashed back down to earth!
I have purposefully presented evidence involving a military balloon and a rocket which came into direct contact with the underside of the earths dome, for everyones attention! Now, if a military balloon and a rocket can't penetrate the earths dome, please think this through logically, how can satellites get beyond the same invisible barrier?
Take it as gospel that there are no satelites, and the ISS is a bogus flagship of NASA's dishonesty!
Can you begin to imaging how much money has and is being fleeced by the powers that be, on the pretense that such funding is required and is necessary, and is beneficial to the interests of mankind? Its all hogwash...
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You are going to be very disappointed, when you find out what Byrds expedition set out to achieve, and what followed on afterwards in 1962...
I doubt it.
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I doubt it.
Oh, so you know then, so there is no need for me to spell it out for you, and everybody else, I'll leave the finer details then, all to you to update everybody else...
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I am just waiting for my tablet to recharge before I can post the images from the ISS Live video feed confirming that which I have been speaking about in this last hour or so!
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I doubt the feed is live but it;s certainly not fake, point is, you can see the earth is ROUND
But that's just it, the earth is not a globe, it seems somewhat obvious to me that NASA will go to any lengths to try and ensure that the deception continues! Believe me, nobody can get any further away from the surface of the flat earth than say around 73 mile's in altitude! And, moreover, that nobody would be daft enough to stroll outside a vehicle travelling at 17,164 MPH without expecting to be killed almost instantly!
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Here we are, images I captured from the Live ISS feed tonight!
(1) - Position of ISS showing view astronauts would have of the earth below on a map
(2) - View in space some miles in altitude, illuminated in sunlight!
(3) - Showing when ISS is supposed to be inside the shaded part (darkness) of the earth...
At 23:37:45 hrs, the ISS was supposed to be orbiting the earth at an altitude of 252 miles, hurtling along at 17,160 MPH, it's apparent ground point position being recorded at 27.10° North, 32.08° East, the earth below shrouded in darkness and shadow (data available in 3rd image), yet according to the live feed camera / video footage shown in image (2) below, that part of the earth and beyond is clearly illuminated in bright day light! My point is this - how can that part of the earth be illuminated in bright day light, if it's supposed to be dark in that region of the earth? How can NASA turn darkness into daylight in a region of the earth? It's magic!!
There is something drastically wrong here with the supposed live feed direct from the ISS...
We are been lied to and deceived!
There can't be daylight in a region of the earth where it is supposed to be dark, unless god ordains it, like he did in the beginning of time when he decreed, 'let there be light', and there was light separated from darkness, and vice versa...
Now we've got NASA making out like they are god, creating light where it not only should be darkness, but light where it is and was in physical darkness!! No doubt, some sort of an 'optical illusion', a 'trick of light', dare I say it is also in my opinion clearly a 'trick of flight's, because it becomes clear to me that it's a studio set up, just like when NASA faked the landing on the moon! What we are dealing with here is an earthly deception, which is costing the public purse extortionate amounts of funding, finance that in one form or another is being diverted elsewhere into the pockets of the powers that be dishonestly!
I can prove that the astronauts were not outside the ISS, 252 miles up in altitude, hurtling around in space at 17,160 MPH because of the way canvas sheets, and canvas straps belonging to the astronauts showed no evidence of being affected by any force linked to the alleged fact that these items were captured outside the ISS in relation to the aforementioned rate of thrust /speed...
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. . . nobody would be daft enough to stroll outside a vehicle travelling at 17,164 MPH without expecting to be killed almost instantly!
How? Why would going outside (in a pressurized space suit, of course) be more dangerous than drifting around inside the ISS?
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Oh, so you know then, so there is no need for me to spell it out for you, and everybody else, I'll leave the finer details then, all to you to update everybody else...
I don't believe you have anything to post.
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How? Why would going outside (in a pressurized space suit, of course) be more dangerous than drifting around inside the ISS?
Stop being stupid!
The ISS is travelling in excess of over 17,000 MPH and there's not going to be any pressure? Are you for real? The ISS can't even be 253 miles up in altitude, or anywhere near that distance above the earth, nobody, and nothing can get beyond the 73 miles in altitude (maximum I might add) at which point the inner edge of the earths firmament is presenting itself as an inpenetrative barrier that no-one or nothing can get beyond! The highest clouds have been detected at around 53 miles in altitude, and the inner edge of the earths dome has been measured at 73 miles in altitude..
Now, this is what I was talking about, regarding how the sun could breach the invisible sheild (one way, or another), fluctuating betweeen around 73 miles in altitude and 53 miles in altitude. Now, I don't care whether or not you agree with me, I have studied this subject sufficiently in detail, and logically, to know that I am right!!!
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Here we are, images I captured from the Live ISS feed tonight!
(1) - Position of ISS showing view astronaughts would have of the earth below on a map
(2) - View in space some miles in altitude, illuminated in sunlight!
(3) - Showing when ISS is supposed to be inside the shaded part (darkness) of the earth...
This is the NASA live feed page https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/
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I don't believe you have anything to post.
Of course I have got evidence to post, do you think I am just making it all up, just for thee sake of making things up?
Oh, I see, that's what your thinking!
Well, get ready for some very disturbing revelations...
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Of course I have got evidence to post, do you think I am just making it all up, just for thee sake of making things up?
Oh, I see, that's what your thinking!
Well, get ready for some very disturbing revelations...
OK - ready.
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This is the NASA live feed page https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/
Are you trying to suggest that I faked the procedure?
If you are then 'FUCK OFF'...
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For the record, I don't fake procedures, or tamper with evidence, I simply interpret it!
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It is absolutely astounding, that anybody can suggest that its quite normal for astronaughts to be outsidde the ISS in space at an altitude of 253 miles above the earth surface, whilst the vehicle they are out side of, is hurtling at over 17,000 MPH in a supposed or imaginary orbit, and there is not going to be any forces imposed not only upon the astronaughts themselves, but equipment which has been captured floating arround very similar and akin to the way items behaved on the surface of the moon (when the Americans faked that moon landing)?
What?
What a load of complete 'codswallop', not only have we got the powers that be, being dishonest and corrupt, but we have got ordinary members of the public, who have been brainwashed and indoctrinated into a false sense of security, and a false and very misleadding way of life!
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OK - ready.
Hey, hang on a moment I ain't spilling the beans until these issues or arguments, or disagreements between us all has gone some way towards being resolved, so don't hold your breath, I need to know what you lot on the other side of the fence are / is thinking!!
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Stop being stupid!
See video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfxYBw2Sxo
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Hey, hang on a moment I ain't spilling the beans until these issues or arguments, or disagreements between us all has gone some way towards being resolved, so don't hold your breath, I need to know what you lot on the other side of the fence are / is thinking!!
I got lots and lots of patience, I am in no hurry, I am looking forward to you and everybody else squirming with embarassment once you get to know what's what? The earth is flat, there is no such thing as the earth being a globe! It's complete bollocks, because the earth is flat, and it has a dome above it, a dome which is sometimes referred to, as the firmament!
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Notice that in the video I linked to, the astronaut's water finds its own level - a sphere.
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See video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfxYBw2Sxo
Thank you, I watched the video, but what I shall say is that there is a huge difference between someone in a pressurised environment, and somebody else outside the internal environment of the ISS! C'mon, stop being pathetic, there are astronaughts outside the ISS, and the ISS is travelling at over 17,000 MPH, and your saying that nothing appears to be wrong?
What?
Are you being serious?
OMG!!!
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Notice that in the video I linked to, the astronaut's water finds its own level - a sphere.
I have no problem with that in a controlled and pressurised environment which cannot possibly be true outside that presurised environment...
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Why do the water and the astronaut just drift around like that unless they're in orbit?
During a spacewalk by an astronaut, the environment within the astronaut's space suit is a controlled and pressurized environment, so the spacewalk can be done safely.
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Are you trying to suggest that I faked the procedure?
If you are then 'FUCK OFF'...
Faked what procedure? And your insults and sweary posts mean nothing to me.
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Hey, hang on a moment I ain't spilling the beans until these issues or arguments, or disagreements between us all has gone some way towards being resolved, so don't hold your breath, I need to know what you lot on the other side of the fence are / is thinking!!
You're the one swearing - I didn't accuse you of faking anything. I don't agree with what you are saying and will never agree with the 'flat earth' concept. So there really can't be any resolution. You either post proof or you don't. if you don't, I have to conclude that you don't have any.
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the earth is not a globe
In that case, whereabouts are the earth's magnetic poles?
Also, assuming the earth is basically flat and the star constellations are rotating about the earth, is their axis of rotation in the plane of the earth or perpendicular to the plane of the earth?
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Why do the water and the astronaut just drift around like that unless they're in orbit?
During a spacewalk by an astronaut, the environment within the astronaut's space suit is a controlled and pressurized environment, so the spacewalk can be done safely.
Canvas covers and canvas straps which can be seen to be floating around in some footage is not encapsulated inside any pressurised environment!
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And another thing - how come that when you blow up the reverse image in the visor of the astronauts helmet it looks like it's a set up in a movie production, with at least one female holding something up to her left ear (maybe a mobile phone or whatever)? How come this woman and other shapes which could be part of the filming crew aren't wearing any pressurised space suits or helmets? How can anybody possibly survive outside the ISS at an altitude of around 252 miles high in outer space, where they are all hurtling around above the earth at about 17,160 MPH, and not already be dead through all manner of natural phenomena, including a requirement for them to be able to breath oxygen?
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In the following captured images from the Live feed of the ISS, the ISS should be flying above a part of the earth which was shrouded in darkness, but as we can see according to the supposed live footage the earth is illuminated or should I say floodlit with daylight!
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The astonishing astronaut not wearing any pressurised space suit - visible in reflection of one of the astronauts helmet visor!
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As a result of scientific study we know, they know, and now you must all know, that the highest clouds in the earths atmosphere sit around 53 miles in altitude! We also know, and they know, and now you all know (because it has been proven by scientiffic means) that the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier' staqnds at approximately 73 miles in altitude at a given point in relation to the surface of the earths and its dome! The earths dome is real, and its been physhically established and known about ever since Admiral Byrds expeditions to the South Pole, and in particular, much later on...
Evidence exists which confirms that the sun and the moon have been photographed and videoed with clouds both in front of the sun and the moon, and also behind them, at one and the same time!
Well, seems somewhat of 'a no brainer' then that 'the sun and the moon' at one time or another can be 'as low as around 53 miles' in altitude (below the edge of the earths dome), or as the case may be 'as high as 73 miles in altitude' (above the lower edge of the earths dome)...
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As a result of scientific study we know, they know, and now you must all know, that the highest clouds in the earths atmosphere sit around 53 miles in altitude! We also know, and they know, and now you all know (because it has been proven by scientiffic means) that the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier' staqnds at approximately 73 miles in altitude at a given point in relation to the surface of the earths and its dome! The earths dome is real, and its been physhically established and known about ever since Admiral Byrds expeditions to the South Pole, and in particular, much later on...
Evidence exists which confirms that the sun and the moon have been photographed and videoed with clouds both in front of the sun and the moon, and also behind them, at one and the same time!
Well, seems somewhat of 'a no brainer' then that 'the sun and the moon' at one time or another can be 'as low as around 53 miles' in altitude (below the edge of the earths dome), or as the case may be 'as high as 73 miles in altitude' (above the lower edge of the earths dome)...
20 miles of altitude between the highest point of any cloud base (53 miles in altiutude), and the lower edge of the 'invisible sheild' (at around 73 miles in altitude)...
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The real puzzle is how thick or wide is the earths dome?
What material is it made out of?
Plasma, radiation, or some sort of an electromagnetic translucent substance?
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The real puzzle is how thick or wide is the earths dome?
What material is it made out of?
Plasma, radiation, or some sort of an electromagnetic translucent substance?
And then...
The puzzle of the orbit of the 'dark sun'?
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The existence of the 'dark sun' is relatively unexplained scientifically, but rest assured the powers that be through work undertaken by physicists, astromoners, and other experts in specific fields of knowledge, do know of its existence, and how it appears to transform electromagnetic energy created between 'it' and the positive influence of the sun, and the negative influence of the moon, intereact with one another! This reaction lies at the fundamental heart of what is the 'invisible barrier', the 'dome', or wwhatever term or name anyobody wants to give to it!
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The existence of the 'dark sun' is relatively unexplained scientifically, but rest assured the powers that be through work undertaken by physicists, astromoners, and other experts in specific fields of knowledge, do know of its existence, and how it appears to transform electromagnetic energy created between 'it' and the positive influence of the sun, and the negative influence of the moon, which intereact with one another in the firmament of the earth! This reaction lies at the fundamental heart of what is the 'invisible barrier', the 'dome', or whatever term or name anybody wants to give to it!
I believe that the orbit of this 'dark sun' travels around and above the flat earth inside the so called 'invisible barrier', and that the corresponding orbits of the sun and the moon fluctuate between the aforementioned 'invisible barrier' (earths dome), outside, and sometimes inside 'it', which produces the phases of the moon, the eclipses, and everything else, or whatever...
As I say, the 'dark sun' is trapped inside the the earths dome, whereas the sun and the moon, appear to fluctuate, outside, inside, and within the 'invisible barrier' itself, at one time or another...
The relationship between the positionss at any one time of the sun, the moon, the 'dark sun' and the earth, seems tto me to be at the heart of a continual source of electromagnetism which provides that which is the dome of the earth!
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I believe that the orbit of this 'dark sun' travels around and above the flat earth inside the so called 'invisible barrier', and that the corresponding orbits of the sun and the moon fluctuate between the aforementioned 'invisible barrier' (earths dome), outside, and sometimes inside 'it', which produces the phases of the moon, the eclipses, and everything else, or whatever...
As I say, the 'dark sun' is trapped inside the the earths dome, whereas the sun and the moon, appear to fluctuate, outside, inside, and within the 'invisible barrier' itself, at one time or another...
The relationship between the positions at any one time of the sun, the moon, the 'dark sun' and the earth, seems to me to be at the heart of a continual source of electromagnetism which provides that which is' the 'dome of the earth'!
Now, the powers that be, know the 'unique circumstances'' of how this operates, and more to the point, they have been pondering (think tanks) how this phenomena, could be manipulated!
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Admiral Byrds expeditions to the south pole, were intended to locate the source of the earths dome, and once this was discovered, the various powers that be, from countries around the earth (in the flat earth module) harboured thoughts and interest of trying to destroy it!
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Admiral Byrds south pole expedition fleet went there, to try and locate the source of the earths dome (that was its main objective)!!!
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Admiral Byrds south pole expedition fleet went there, to try and locate the source of the earths dome (that was its main objective)!!!
Lets get the facts out in the public domain, he and his gang 'did locate the source of the earths dome'!
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Admiral Byrd found the hole in the flat earth, which he would later refer to as a / the 'secret passageway' that led into the' centre of the flat earth'!
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Leaving you to get on with this - good luck!
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Leaving you to get on with this - good luck!
Your attempt at trying to ridicule the true interpretation will never deter people like me from speaking the truth - you are brain dead and indoctrinated into the way of lies...
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Horizon is level - there is no curvature!
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Oh, look this is Admiral Byrd's fleet on the expedition to find and locate the source of the earth's dome!
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Oh, look this is Admiral Byrd's fleet on the expedition to find and locate the source of the earth's dome!
Why such a huge task force if it was simply an expedition to plot and make maps regarding areas of interest in the region of the south pole, to be claimed as being owned by America?
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In 1962, an attempt was made to destroy the earth's dome by deployment of nuclear bombs, but...
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Even the full force of a nuclear bomb could not penetrate the invisible field around the flat earth!!!
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Now, stop and think for a moment, if a nuclear bomb couldn't penetrate the 'invisible barrier' below the firmament, please ask yourselves, how could a man penetrate it sat inside a rocketship?
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Now, stop and think for a moment, if a bucket bombs couldn't penetrate the firmament, please ask yourselves, how could a man penetrate it sat inside a rocket?
The highest anyone from the earth could go or get to was about 73 mile's above the surface of the flat earth!
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Oh, look this is Admiral Byrd's fleet on the expedition to find and locate the source of the earth's dome!
You do realise that the image you posted is a modern fleet.
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You do realise that the image you posted is a modern fleet.
I will post the footage of the link...
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There are, infact two distinctive parts to the van Allan radiation belt - the inner part (closest to the flat earth) and an outer radiation belt (further out toward outer space)!
Separating these two belts of radiation is a viod, a dark corridor around the firmament of the earth upon which the 'dark sun' rotates above the flat earth whilst making regular contact with the positive magnetic effect of the sun, and a negative magnetic effect in relation to the moon!
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Here's one of the links to get the low down on the real reason for admiral Byrd's expedition to the South pole:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/sLTq07wUbUE
Feb. 26th, 1947. Antarctica. Admiral Byrd.
"TASK FORCE 68"
4700 personnel, Aircraft Carrier
+ 20 war planes, 12 Surface Ships.
Mission, Destroy hidden Nazi base.
1. Mission scheduled for 6 months
2. Mission aborted after 7 weeks.
3. Heavy casualties, Ship Sunk
Planes shot down.
4. Byrd states, ' in case of a new war the US would be attacked by flying
objects, which could fly from pole to pole'..
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You have still not posted a link to the modern battle that you displayed.
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Where has all the money disappeared to?
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You have still not posted a link to the modern battle that you displayed.
I will be doing, all in good time!
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Canvas covers and canvas straps which can be seen to be floating around in some footage is not encapsulated inside any pressurised environment!
That doesn't explain why the water in the astronaut's demonstration behaved as shown.
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. . . the 'dark sun' rotates above the flat earth
Did you just invent this? Google searches don't seem to find this kind of information on other websites, except for a few sites discussing science fiction.
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Did you just invent this? Google searches don't seem to find this kind of information on other websites, except for a few sites discussing science fiction.
I got the information regarding the existence of the 'dark sun' on an internet web site link! I became interested in its existence by chance, after seeing the moon in many of its phases, on different occasions, in the same region of sky as the sun! For example, in some phases of the moon the curvature of it was in an opposite direction than the earth would have caused upon the moons surface! It became obvious to me that with the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky that some other object must be creating the shadows on the surface of the moon! The earth could not be casting any shadow against the moons surface!
I will try to find the link and post it up for you!
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The earth could not be casting any shadow against the moon's surface!
Nobody has suggested that the earth does that (except during a lunar eclipse). One gets a half moon, for example, when the sun happens to be illuminating the moon from one side of it (as viewed from Earth).
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That doesn't explain why the water in the astronaut's demonstration behaved as shown.
Yes, but the gentle floating around of equipment outside the ISS whilst the ISS was flying at an altitude of around 252 miles above the surface of the earth, (which is impossible, the limit is 73 mile's to the 'invisible barrier' which is the inner edge of the firmament) at a speed of 17,160 MPH doesn't make any sense. I mean does such an aircraft or space ship exist which can travel that fast below or at around 17,160 mph?
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Nobody has suggested that the earth does that (except during a lunar eclipse). One gets a half moon, for example, when the sun happens to be illuminating the moon from one side of it (as viewed from Earth).
Well, no because depending where an observer is stood upon the surface of a flat earth, the angle from there to the moon and the sun should automatically illuminate the surface of the moon making it appear full to the observer stood on earth! However, this does not occur because of the role of the 'dark sun' which has the affect of partially obscuring and fully obscuring the surface of the moon, which itself is flat like the earth! There are some that believe that the moon has two sides, for example, like a coin, with one permanently illuminated side, and the opposite side permanently dark like, for example, the 'dark sun'. In this module, the moon rotates on its own axis and the phases of the moon are created by the gradual turning of the illuminated part of the moons bright surface, which gradually decreases in size until the very last illuminated crescent exists on the right hand side! Then on the opposite side the crescent of the illuminated side of the moon begins to emerge, until it reaches full brightness in the form of the full moon! This explains the decreasing crescent on one side of the moon from full moon to new moon, whilst the growing illuminated crescent (the opposite part of the rotating two sided moon) commences growing from the opposite edge! Hence, how the waxing and waning phases of the moon come and go! The moon (negative influence) and the 'dark sun' on its reverse (positive influence) are for eternity bound together! The rotation of the moon / 'dark sun' affects the electromagnetic nature which exists inside the earth's firmament due to angles it makes to the sun (positive influence)...
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Yes, but the gentle floating around of equipment outside the ISS whilst the ISS was flying at an altitude of around 252 miles above the surface of the earth, (which is impossible, the limit is 73 mile's to the 'invisible barrier' which is the inner edge of the firmament) at a speed of 17,160 MPH doesn't make any sense. I mean does such an aircraft or space ship exist which can travel that fast below or at around 17,160 mph?
https://www.quora.com/How-fast-is-the-International-Space-Station-moving-and-why-How-can-astronauts-walk-move-in-the-space-station-when-it-is-moving-so-fast-How-difficult-does-the-dynamic-of-this-fast-movement-make-it-for-other-spacecrafts-to-dock-with-the-ISS
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https://www.quora.com/How-fast-is-the-International-Space-Station-moving-and-why-How-can-astronauts-walk-move-in-the-space-station-when-it-is-moving-so-fast-How-difficult-does-the-dynamic-of-this-fast-movement-make-it-for-other-spacecrafts-to-dock-with-the-ISS
There's just one problem with this explanation - no man made machine can breach the 'invisible barrier' set at around 73 mile's in altitude above the surface of the earth! In 1962, an attempt was made to destroy the earth's dome at its source without success, using nuclear bombs! Now, if a nuclear bomb couldn't penetrate the inner surface of the earth's dome, what chance I ask you would the ISS have of achieving such a feat? It's impossible to penetrate the inner edge of the dome, it has been proven scientifically on three separate occasions (1) a military balloon, (2) a military rocket, and (3) a nuclear bomb, that it's impossible to penetrate it! That being the scientific facts, the ISS cannot be orbiting at 252 miles above the earth's surface. It could orbit in a circular motion around a flat earth at just below 73 mile's, but at that altitude can a space craft generate enough speed as is being claimed (17,160 mph), and contribute to weightlessness? I am skeptical about such claims...
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Well, no because depending where an observer is stood upon the surface of a flat earth, the angle from there to the moon and the sun should automatically illuminate the surface of the moon making it appear full to the observer stood on earth!
Just as some locations on Earth have night whilst others have day, it's entirely possible that some locations on the moon have "moon-day", whilst others have "moon-night", so that the moon doesn't appear full automatically in the way you suggest.
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no man made machine can breach the 'invisible barrier' set at around 73 mile's in altitude above the surface of the earth!
The link you provided referred to an apparent barrier about 7,200 miles above Earth, not 73 miles. A video you linked to showed strange behaviour of a balloon at high altitude, but that could have other explanations, such as a structural fault. There have been nuclear tests at altitude, but one wouldn't expect every detail of those tests to be disclosed to the public, so I certainly wouldn't rely on unofficial sources of information about them or their purpose. You've given a specific reason why the ISS doesn't seem to be orbiting below 73 miles above Earth, which implies you acknowledge a possibility that an orbit below 73 miles is possible, albeit at a different speed from the alleged speed of the ISS. If, however, that is the case, you are conceding the possibility that some artificial satellites exist, undermining your assertion that there aren't (and never have been) any artificial satellites in orbit.
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Just as some locations on Earth have night whilst others have day, it's entirely possible that some locations on the moon have "moon-day", whilst others have "moon-night", so that the moon doesn't appear full automatically in the way you suggest.
Unfortunately, there is only a very dull light eminating from the moons surface that does not illuminate the flat earth like the sun does, so I don't think that comparison could be made in the same way as the sun - the flat illuminated surface of the moon absorbs and reflects the sun light, as opposed to it creating its own light! There is something in the two sided moon module which appears to explain why the same face of the moon faces toward the earth. In that module of the moon / 'dark sun' the various phases of the moon can be adequately explained by reference to the rotating two sided moon / 'dark sun' and is not influenced by the earth getting in-between the double sided moon / 'dark sun' and the actual sun!
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The link you provided referred to an apparent barrier about 7,200 miles above Earth, not 73 miles. I never made reference to the 'invisible barrier' being 7,200 miles, in altitude above the flat earth and that quote was amongst other information I was drawing your attention to. My mention of the 73 mile limit has always been in relation to the scientific testing of that military balloon which hit the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier' and fell back to earth! You have introduced the 7,200 miles reference above the surface of the earth mischievously thinking that if you throw such a spanner into the works, that it would stop me in my tracks! But, it hasn't worked because I wasn't referring to that distance, I clearly was referring to the 73 mile limit linked to the testing of a military balloon... A video you linked to showed strange behaviour of a balloon at high altitude, but that could have other explanations, the video was posted specifically to make the point that the balloon had hit the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier', by any other name, the inner edge of the firmament!such as a structural fault. the balloon hit the 'invisible barrier', that's all there is to it... There have been nuclear tests at altitude, but one wouldn't expect every detail of those tests to be disclosed to the public, the nuclear tests performed on the earth's dome at the south pole was not made public knowledge, news about it leaked out decades later..so I certainly wouldn't rely on unofficial sources of information about them or their purpose. your view is not shared by me, I believe that the reports about the use of the nuclear bombs to try and destroy the dome at the earth's source!You've given a specific reason why the ISS doesn't seem to be orbiting below 73 miles above Earth, which implies you acknowledge a possibility that an orbit below 73 miles is possible, but, if possible, a huge question mark over the misleading data on the ISS Live feed which was claiming last night that the ISS was orbiting at an altitude of between 252 and 254 miles, and travelling at 17,160 mph...albeit at a different speed from the alleged speed of the ISS. exactly, the information being presented is obviously faked! If, however, that is the case, you are conceding the possibility that some artificial satellites exist, not above 73 mile's of altitude because of the 'invisible barrier'... undermining your assertion that there aren't (and never have been) any artificial satellites in orbit.There are no artificial satellites in orbit around the earth in an altitude higher than 73 mile's, because it's been scientifically established that the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier' sits at this altitude and prevents any manmade piece of equipment penetrating beyond, and upwards...
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Note the inferences to the named land in Antarctica, having a strong UK and USA connection!
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I clearly was referring to the 73 mile limit linked to the testing of a military balloon... the video was posted specifically to make the point that the balloon had hit the inner edge of the 'invisible barrier', by any other name, the inner edge of the firmament! The balloon hit the 'invisible barrier', that's all there is to it.
The video doesn't prove that the balloon hit anything. You just choose to accept one explanation and reject a structural fault or other explanation. Also, you can't know for certain that the balloon's altitude was 73 miles. You don't allow for the fact that some people post fiction on youtube.
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There are no artificial satellites in orbit around the earth in an altitude higher than 73 miles
You stated before that there are no artificial satellites (without adding any reference to 73 miles). In any case, you can easily see the ISS for yourself on a clear night using binoculars, especially when it happens to pass across the face of the moon, which makes it easy to point the binoculars in the right direction to see the ISS.
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I believe that the reports about the use of the nuclear bombs to try and destroy the dome at the earth's source!
Precisely. You give no technical reasons for believing some reports and disbelieving others. You simply choose which ones you happen to prefer and then assert "that's all there is to it". That's a recipe for deluding yourself. Belief is not the same thing as proof. Repeatedly posting along the lines of "I'm right" or "it's impossible" doesn't imply that you're correct. One of the giveaways is that you sometimes resort to posting stuff like "the size of the earth is A". I don't need to do that.
According to you, we've never visited the moon, so how can you know what its shape is?
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The video doesn't prove that the balloon hit anything. You just choose to accept one explanation and reject a structural fault or other explanation. Also, you can't know for certain that the balloon's altitude was 73 miles. You don't allow for the fact that some people post fiction on youtube.
Ok, let's put things into perspective since you allege that everything I choose to believe in is somehow faked or fabricated nonsense! You have no evidence whatsoever to prove that what the video clip of the military balloon crashing into the inner edge of the earth's firmament did not happen, as it is stated it had happened! Your view of this amounts to wild speculation which you introduce because it challenges the very beliefs instilled in you by the system! You haven't got any evidence to back up anything your inventing! I know that the earth is flat, and I know there is a domed firmament above the earth! I can think for myself and don't need anybody who has been brainwashed and indoctrinated to believe in absolute mistruths, I can think logically, and from where I stand or sit the earth cannot be a globe, it's flat, it's always been flat, and it's always will be! It has been established scientifically that the limit from the surface of the earth to the inner edge of the 'invisible sheild' is around 73 mile's in altitude! It's very easy for you to sit there saying 'how can you prove this, or that'? The fact is that you and everybody else in general only know what you"be been told, or seen, or read about somewhere, you and almost everybody else haven't gone into the field and done your own scientific analysis, so don't start trying to preach to me that what I know can't be proven because of this excuse that you keep throwing into the ring or debate, or that excuse! Trouble is, I don't particularly care what nonsensical grounds you keep trying to introduce to try and unhinge me in my beliefs, because you yourself have not carried out the necessary research or scientific tests which prove that your approach is the only sure way of getting to the truth! The earth is flat ( I say) no, (you say) it's a globe! Well, you made a humongous error here because the earth is 100% flat (semantics aside)...
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Precisely. You give no technical reasons for believing some reports and disbelieving others. You simply choose which ones you happen to prefer and then assert "that's all there is to it". That's a recipe for deluding yourself. well, the only person deluding themselves here and now is you...Belief is not the same thing as proof. Oh, but it is, if the person who believes something to have been proven to their satisfaction! Repeatedly posting along the lines of "I'm right" or "it's impossible" doesn't imply that you're correct. By the same token it dies not imply that I am wrong!One of the giveaways is that you sometimes resort to posting stuff like "the size of the earth is A". Don't you think it's childish promoting these type of arguments because it challenges your own beliefs?I don't need to do that. You can do what you want and believe what you want, but from where I'm standing, or sitting, it doesn't prove that your version of events as believed by you, us any more truer than my beliefs! Your belief that the earth is a globe is a massive deception!
According to you, we've never visited the moon, so how can you know what its shape is? Nobody landed on the moon, it's all hogwash and codswallop!
And the earth is flat!
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You stated before that there are no artificial satellites (without adding any reference to 73 miles). In any case, you can easily see the ISS for yourself on a clear night using binoculars, especially when it happens to pass across the face of the moon, which makes it easy to point the binoculars in the right direction to see the ISS.
I have always maintained (on this forum and thread) that the highest known clouds have an altitude of about 53 miles, and that the edge of the inner firmament is 73 mile's! Leave me to decide what I want to say, and concentrate on what your saying about your own beliefs! On the subject of binoculars,you should check the moon out with clouds in front and behind it! this of course serves to remind everyone that the sun and the moon are much closer to the earth than NASA' are accepting!
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I have always maintained (on this forum and thread) that clouds have an altitude of about 53 miles, and that the edge of the inner firmament is 73 miles!
That's impossible, as there must have been a time when you were too young to know what the words "clouds" and "firmament" mean. Aeroplanes have flown through clouds at a much lower altitude than 53 miles. At least one type of cloud has been estimated to exist at an altitude of about 53 miles, but most clouds in Earth's atmosphere are at much lower altitudes.
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Oh, but it is, if the person who believes something to have been proven to their satisfaction!
You're trying to quibble over semantics. You haven't provided a static flat earth model that works anything like as well as a rotating round earth model. Also, some of your assertions are blatantly untrue. For example, a full moon and the sun cannot be seen in the same part of the sky simultaneously, whereas you asserted that such a sighting can occur for all phases of the moon.
Don't you think it's childish promoting these type of arguments because it challenges your own beliefs?
No. I hadn't noticed any such challenge anyway. I doubt that a statement such as "the size of the earth is A" would challenge anyone's belief of anything.
Nobody landed on the moon, it's all hogwash and codswallop!
So how do you know what shape the moon has?
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. . . you allege that everything I choose to believe in is somehow faked or fabricated nonsense!
That's completely untrue. I've made no such allegation.
. . . it's flat, it's always been flat, and it always will be!
In that case, it's untrue that it was once formless and void. Are you seriously suggesting that you are some kind of oracle that somehow knows its indefinite future?
It's very easy for can't key to sit there saying . . .
That's so ungrammatical that I have no idea what you mean.
. . . haven't gone into the field and done your own scientific analysis
How does anyone do a scientific analysis of the assertion that the size of the earth is A? I'm not a scientist or a surveyor anyway.
Well, you made a humongous error here because the earth is 100% flat...
Using "humongous" like that might be for dramatic effect. Perhaps you're trying to write a script or book rather than communicate well. How can the earth be 100% flat? Are you asserting that hills and valleys don't exist? Anyway, I was using "globe" or "round" to refer to a model. It hardly matters at all whether that model is "true" according to some individual. All that counts is whether the model's usefulness justifies its retention.
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That's impossible, as there must have been a time when you were too young to know what the words "clouds" and "firmament" mean. What I believe now, is reality... Aeroplanes have flown through clouds at a much lower altitude than 53 miles. yes, as I alluded to in my opinion, the highest clouds have been recorded as high in altitude as being 53 miles up from, or above the surface of the earth.. At least one type of cloud has been estimated to exist at an altitude of about 53 miles, those are the highest recorded clouds in altitude above the surface of the flat earth... but most clouds in Earth's atmosphere are at much lower altitudes. I have never suggested otherwise!!
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You're trying to quibble over semantics. What, and you don't?You haven't provided a static flat earth model that works anything like as well as a rotating round earth model. But, that's just it, nothing works as well as your making out in the globe module, but it does in relation to the earth being flat (excluding semantics)..Also, some of your assertions are blatantly untrue. No, there not, I am telling the truth, whereas you are being fooled into believing something that is without doubt untrue - the earth is not a globe, because its flat (excluding any semantics you or anybody else might try to introduce to cast doubt upon that fact)...For example, a full moon and the sun cannot be seen in the same part of the sky simultaneously, whereas you asserted that such a sighting can occur for all phases of the moon. It can...
No. I hadn't noticed any such challenge anyway. I doubt that a statement such as "the size of the earth is A" would challenge anyone's belief of anything. 'A' is just a value of size...
So how do you know what shape the moon has? it's flat like the earth...
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That's completely untrue. I've made no such allegation.
In that case, it's untrue that it was once formless and void. Its always been flat since the tine of its creation...Are you seriously suggesting that you are some kind of oracle that somehow knows its indefinite future? about its histrorical past...
That's so ungrammatical that I have no idea what you mean. a typing error generated by the predictive text software
How does anyone do a scientific analysis of the assertion that the size of the earth is A? I'm not a scientist or a surveyor anyway. formula...
Using "humongous" like that might be for dramatic effect. On the other hand it might be underestimated...Perhaps you're trying to write a script or book rather than communicate well. Perhaps trying to communicate with anybody who have bought into the indoctrinated untruths fed to them by the powers that be, is a big lie which blocks an understandding on the part of the targeted listener...How can the earth be 100% flat? Excluding semantics, you know what I meant when I said that / this..Are you asserting that hills and valleys don't exist? You have just contradicted your claim that the earth is a globe, because if hills and mountains and valleys exist it can't be a globe... Anyway, I was using "globe" or "round" to refer to a model. I suppose your model doesn'tinclude hills and mountains and valleys? It hardly matters at all whether that model is "true" according to some individual. I disagree, of course it matters if the earths model is a true reflection of its size, orientation and shape...All that counts is whether the model's usefulness justifies its retention. Your use of the term 'usefulness' ignores whether or not, such 'usefulness' is dishonest, or otherwise, as implemented by the powers that be, the people who control the masses with lie upon lie...
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In reply to "a full moon and the sun cannot be seen in the same part of the sky simultaneously" . . .
It can...
For an observer in England, what is the date and time of the next occasion when such an observation can be made? What was the time, date and location for some previous occasion within the last 32 years when such an observation was made?
I asked how you know what shape the moon has, and you replied "It's flat like the earth"... that doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking you to state the moon's shape, I was asking how you know the moon's shape.
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What I believe now, is reality...
But "reality" can change over time. You previously stated "I have always maintained..." which is impossible, as I explained.
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They didn't see any wall.
http://www.itv.com/news/border/2018-01-11/cumbrian-adventurer-completes-antarctic-expedition/
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It's always been flat since the tine of its creationThat's quite different from what you stated - you've added "since the time of its creation" and dropped "and always will be".
a typing error generated by the predictive text software
What did you intend to type?
formula...
I don't understand that reply.
I suppose your model doesn't include hills and mountains and valleys?
That's right, and that's why I keep using words such as "about" or "approximately", and avoid using "100%".
I disagree, of course it matters if the earth's model is a true reflection of its size, orientation and shape.
No, it doesn't, and much the same applies to almost all the models that scientists create. That's why they're called models.
Your use of the term 'usefulness' ignores whether or not, such 'usefulness' is dishonest, or otherwise, . . .
Of course. That's almost always the case, regardless of what the model is.
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But "reality" can change over time. You previously stated "I have always maintained..." which is impossible, as I explained.
You know full well what I meant, 'I have always maintained', meaning in my posts on the subject!
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What did you intend to type?
I don't understand that reply.
That's right, and that's why I keep using words such as "about" or "approximately", and avoid using "100%".
No, it doesn't, and much the same applies to almost all the models that scientists create. That's why they're called models.
Of course. That's almost always the case, regardless of what the model is.
The earth is flat it can't be a globe, it's a humongous lie, imposed upon the masses by the powers that be, because they don't want the general public to know what really goes on in that part of the flat earth known as the south pole! It's as though those in charge are trying to keep something godlike from everyone, something they want to keep to themselves, and the public at peril of arrest, or death, if they go to the south pole uninvited!
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They didn't see any wall.
http://www.itv.com/news/border/2018-01-11/cumbrian-adventurer-completes-antarctic-expedition/
Must have been to wrong part of Antarctica..
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Full moons have been photographed in daytime sky, with the sun above the horizon:-
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Watch following video for insight:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
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Must have been to wrong part of Antarctica..
Which part is the right part?
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Full moons have been photographed in daytime sky, with the sun above the horizon:-
And? https://www.space.com/7267-moon-daylight.html
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Which part is the right part?
You need to watch the link to have any chance of understanding which part of Antarctica is where the ice walls are located, situated, to be found...
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
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And? https://www.space.com/7267-moon-daylight.html
Reader maintained in one of his posts to me, that you can't get a full moon in the same region of the sky as the sun!
But I insisted that you could..
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The true position of Antarctica is not at the south pole, since the ice walls exist around the outside of a round shaped flat earth ( with a build up of thick ice all the way around it's circumference, equivalent to a 2p piece), The only true pole is the north pole around which Antarctica exists around the circumference of a flat earth!
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You need to watch the link to have any chance of understanding which part of Antarctica is where the ice walls are located, situated, to be found...
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
No, it's part of the same video I posted and you need to view the whole thing, not just a section taken out of context. He is talking about other countries utilizing the area and how it could be a strategic advantage to them if they managed to take hold. He;s not talking about an ice wall.
See what he actually said and his OWN explanation of it here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czW0iRJuH1A
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Reader maintained in one of his posts to me, that you can't get a full moon in the same region of the sky as the sun!
But I insisted that you could..
I have seen the moon is daylight before but that isn't any proof of a flat earth.
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The true position of Antarctica is not at the south pole, since the ice walls exist around the outside of a round shaped flat earth ( with a build up of thick ice all the way around it's circumference, equivalent to a 2p piece), The only true pole is the north pole around which Antarctica exists around the circumference of a flat earth!
So according to FET (flat earth theory) Antarctica is the whole circumference of earth? What does the circumference measure?
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Have a look at the following image of this particular crescent shaped moon in the night sky! You can clearly see a star where the dark portion of the moon should be!!
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I have seen the moon is daylight before but that isn't any proof of a flat earth.
If you saw a full moon in the daytime sky at the same time you saw the sun in the same region of the sky, then from what I can gather, according to Reader that can't and doesn't happen! But I insisted that it could, and it did! I posted the images to give verification of my assertion!
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No, it's part of the same video I posted and you need to view the whole thing, not just a section taken out of context. He is talking about other countries utilizing the area and how it could be a strategic advantage to them if they managed to take hold. He;s not talking about an ice wall.
See what he actually said and his OWN explanation of it here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czW0iRJuH1A
I know what he said, and I am not taking anything out of context as you put it, because he talked about different things in that footage! The most intriguing part being where he mentions 'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!Try fast forwarding it to the crucial part (29 seconds in to 43 seconds)I am drawing your attention to..
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I know what he said, and I am not taking anything out of context as you put it, because he talked about different things in that footage! The most intriguing part being where he mentions 'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by any human being! Try fast forwarding it to the crucial part I am drawing your attention to..
I have posted the FULL video Mike and I have heard what he said but not sure what you think is significant about ......
"Strangely enough, there is left in the world today, an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by a human being. And that's beyond the pole, on the other side of the south pole from Little America [his base on Antarctica]".
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I have posted the FULL video Mike and I have heard what he said but not sure what you think is significant about ......
"Strangely enough, there is left in the world today, an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by a human being. And that's beyond the pole, on the other side of the south pole from middle America [his base on Antarctica]".
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I just said that - which part are you saying backs up your claims?
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But he doesn't say 'Little' America he actually says 'Middle' America - and he's talked about an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by 'A' human being, and 'thats beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' America...
He wasn't taking about his base at 'Little' America, he was talking about an area as big as the United States 'in America'...
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I have seen the moon is daylight before but that isn't any proof of a flat earth.
The moon can be seen in daylight sometimes, but the article that mike tesko linked to clearly states "At full moon, the moon is exactly opposite the sun", which implies that if you see the approximately full moon in daylight, the sun isn't in the same area of the sky, but instead about as far away in the sky as is possible - both will be on or near the horizon, but in approximately opposite directions from the observer's point of view.
It also means that when the moon is very close to being a full moon and is wholly above the horizon, the sun is below the horizon (in the approximately opposite direction) and so not directly visible at the same time as the moon. This situation can occur shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset.
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But he doesn't say 'Little' America he actually says 'Middle' America
You could be right, as it sounds like "Middle" to me. However, it's clear that he meant to refer to his base (i.e., Little America, unless there was another one called Middle America), because it wouldn't have made sense for him to refer to such a vague location as middle America in what he said. He seemed quite tense during the interview, and possibly made a slip of the tongue.
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You could be right, as it sounds like "Middle" to me. I assert that I am right, he was talking about 'middle' America, not about 'Little' America, and in that same sentence he is talking about 'an area as big as the United States', that's never been seen by 'A' human being, and 'thats beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' AmericaHowever, it's clear that he meant to refer to his base (i.e., Little America, unless there was another one called Middle America), because it wouldn't have made sense for him to refer to such a vague location as middle America in what he said. I disagree, because of what had happened to the supposed 8 month 'Operation Highjump' which came to an abrupt halt after only 7 weeks or so, with loss of a ship, aeroplanes, other equipment, and personnel, during the escape back to civilisation! It seems somewhat obvious to me that Admiral Bird was referring to an area in the middle of America, which had not been seen by 'A' human being! He was of course referring to 'AREA 51' in 'NEVADA'...He seemed quite tense during the interview, and possibly made a slip of the tongue. No, he didn't, he was articulate and specific in what he said during that interview. It was his way of telling the wider public at large that aliens were encountered during his South Pole Expedition, and that this was in his mind without him actually mentioning his fleet being chased off the so called south pole area by aliens using UFO's with the loss of hardware and men...
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But he doesn't say 'Little' America he actually says 'Middle' America - and he's talked about an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by 'A' human being, and 'thats beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' America...
He wasn't taking about his base at 'Little' America, he was talking about an area as big as the United States 'in America'...
Look at the full video and he distinctly say's 'Little America' - it's at 1.41
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Look at the full video and he distinctly say's 'Little America' - it's at 1.41
He says 'middle' America on the link I provided:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
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He says 'middle' America on the link I provided:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
It's the SAME interview but the link I posted was the whole thing so 'unedited'.
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It's the SAME interview but the link I posted was the whole thing so 'unedited'.
Click on my link and watch until the end it's important that you don't just listen to what Byrd says, let the clip play until the end, make sure you watch where the presenter talks about the latitude and why the longitude and latitude don't work on a globe module!
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He says 'middle' America on the link I provided
Do you realize that many Americans pronounce "little" as "liddle"?
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There are no known flight paths for commercial airplanes to fly across 'antarctica'...
Why not just charter a sightseeing flight then? http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
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Why does this occur if the ocean doesn't curve round the earth?
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Do you realize that many Americans pronounce "little" as "liddle"?
Here's my link to give you the knowledge you don't possess at the moment regarding the true orientation of the earth - don't let this opportunity pass you by:-
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
Click on my Link, and watch until the end, (not just what Byrd said), only then will you understand the significance of what he said 'an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by 'A' human being, and 'thats beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' America'! Now, bear this in mind, even if he had said, or did say 'Liddle' America, or 'middle' America, he was still talking about a specific area...
He mentions, 'that's beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' America, or 'an area as big as the United States', and 'that's beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'Liddle' America! He talked about the pole, 'beyond' the south pole. Now if you pay attention to the narrative on the video link I have provided, and if you can bring yourself to understand what the narrator is talking about when he draws attention to specific co-ordinations in latitude, you will discover to your complete surprise that the co-ordinations given to the United States in the globe module, get reproduced down at the so called bottom of the world (in the region of the south pole), and that the whole of the United States of America would exist at the top of the world, but it would also exist in a small area or region just below, and either side of the south pole condensed in a miniature version of the real thing! Just to recap and generalise what the narrator says, he says that the west coast and the East Coast of the United States Of America, and the UK, would be either side of, or that they would be, or are, just below the south pole in the Southern hemisphere, as well as being on top of the world in the northern hemisphere (based on longitude and latitude references for both)!
Now, that's impossible, and it demonstrates in a scientific way that the earth is not a globe, and that it cannot be a globe, and moreover, it demonstrates to anyone who cares to understand, or who wants to know the truth, that the earth is flat, and that in 'the earth is a flat module', the East and West Coast of the United States, and the UK, exist in only one location, not two...
The earth is flat (but circular in shape) much like a coin, or a pancake, and around the circumference of the flat earth is / are walls of ice which serve to keep the waters of the earth within its boundery, and that there is no actual top of the world or the bottom of the world, only north, east, south, and west co-ordinates, which can be calculated by and in relation to the position of the fixed celestial 'north Star' in the firmament set in the dome of the earth, above the earth!!
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Why not just charter a sightseeing flight then? http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
You can book a tour of Antarctica, but did you know, that there are only three places in the world as we know it, or as the case may be, don't know it, where the public can get official access and entry to Antarctica, without being at peril of being turned away, or god forbid killed off. Now, the co-ordinates of these three gateways of Antarctica are located in the northern hemisphere of the global earth module, which if it were true seem somewhat far removed from the so called location of Antarctica and the south pole at the bottom of the world!
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Why does this occur if the ocean doesn't curve round the earth?
Because of human 'perspective'!
If you were observing this with your eyes, but then used a pair of binoculars the setting sun would not only look bigger but you would be able to see more of the sun's surface (more volume)! Similarly, if you then had a telescope to hand and you used that, the whole of the sun or most of it would be visible to you! This could not happen if the earth was a globe because the sun would be setting below the horizon!
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Because of human 'perspective'!
If you were observing this with your eyes, but then used a pair of binoculars the setting sun would not only look bigger but you would be able to see more of the sun's surface (more volume)! Similarly, if you then had a telescope to hand and you used that, the whole of the sun or most of it would be visible to you! This could not happen if the earth was a globe because the sun would be setting below the horizon!
The earth is flat, and any human observer is governed by 'perspective', as far as it is humanly possible to view anything so far away on the horizon! Sight can be improved with aids such as binnoculars, or telescopes, thus proving that the circumference of the earth is not curved, but rather that it is flat!
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The earth is flat, and any human observer is governed by 'perspective', as far as it is humanly possible to view anything so far away on the horizon! Sight can be improved with aids such as binnoculars, or telescopes, thus proving that the circumference of the earth is not not curved, but rather that it is flat!
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Satellites in earth's orbit do not exist - some satellites are supposed to be as big as a bus! Now, you would not be able to see a bus if it were 252 miles away with the naked eye, because human 'perspective' has limitations! The image of the bus starts to shrink and shrink and shrink the further it goes away from the observers original vantage point until it reaches the very last pixel proving it's existence let's say on the horizon, or somewhere in front of the horizon! Without aids such as binoculars, then a telescope, the next measuremement of let's say location below 1, is 0, or fractions of 1, all the way down to zero! Once the bus reaches 0 pixation you will be unable to see the bus without a visual aid to zoom in on the area where the bus vanished from the observers view!
How then can an observer standing on the earth be able to see the ISS supposedly orbiting at around 252 miles above the earth?
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But he doesn't say 'Little' America he actually says 'Middle' America - and he's talked about an area as big as the United States, that's never been seen by 'A' human being, and 'thats beyond the pole', on the 'other side of the south pole' from 'middle' America...
He wasn't taking about his base at 'Little' America, he was talking about an area as big as the United States 'in America'...
An area, the size of 'middle' America, in the Northern Hemisphere, (AREA 51, in NEVADA) or if you want an area the size of 'Liddle' America that has its co-ordinates near the South Pole, and he was talking about Aleins, and the part of Area 51 that has never been seen by a human! Thats what yiou get when you disect the statement he was making! The area with 'middle' Americas co-ordinates situated near to the south pole, being of a similar (or exact) size to that part of AREA 51 which belongs to the Aleins, and an area inside Area 51 which has not been seen by a human! He was hinting at the fact that what was discovered close to the place on the flat orientated earth near to the south pole, was similar in size or identical in size to the alein base inside Area 51 , in NEVADA, USA...
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An area, the size of 'middle' America, in the Northern Hemisphere, (AREA 51, in NEVADA) or if you want an area the size of 'Liddle' America that has its co-ordinates near the South Pole, and he was talking about Aleins, and the part of Area 51 that has never been seen by a human! Thats what yiou get when you disect the statement he was making! The area with 'middle' Americas co-ordinates situated near to the south pole, being of a similar (or exact) size to that part of AREA 51 which belongs to the Aleins, and an area inside Area 51 which has not been seen by a human! He was hinting at the fact that what was discovered close to the place on the flat orientated earth near to the south pole, was similar in size or identical in size to the alein base inside Area 51 , in NEVADA, USA...
So, what was it that Admiral Byrd discovered at the South Pole, besides minerals, coal, oil and uranium?
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So, what was it that Admiral Byrd discovered at the South Pole, besides minerals, coal, oil and uranium?
Well, I suppose you could say, that 'HE DISCOVERED GOD'...
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Well, I suppose you could say, that 'HE DISCOVERED GOD'...
At least, the mechanisms of a god...
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Now, what do you think I mean when I say that 'HE DISCOVERED THE MECHANISMS Of GOD'?
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Well, first and foremost, he discovered the source of the domed firmament which was a projection around the circumference of the circular flat earth module. The source was in a region of the flat earth that we know, or have been told, is called the 'south pole'!
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Well, first and foremost, he discovered the source of the domed firmament which was a projection around the circumference of the circular flat earth module. The source was in a region of the flat earth that we know, or have been told, is called the 'south pole'!
But, Byrd discovered that the dome matrix was being generated from a hole in the ice that went into the body of the flat earth, close to the south pole, on the opposite side of the pole to 'Liddle' America...
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But, Byrd discovered that the dome matrix was being generated from a hole in the ice that went into the body of the flat earth, close to the south pole, on the opposite side of the pole to 'Liddle' America...
But, you might ask, why did Byrd think that 'he had discovered god'?
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Well, it all boils down to what is written in the bible, and to the fact that somebody, or something, was controlling the movement of the sun, the moon, the planets and all the stars, in and above the earths firmament around polaris, the fixed 'North Star'...
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Well, it all boils down to what is written in the bible, and to the fact that somebody, or something, was controlling the movement of the sun, the moon, the planets and all the stars, in and above the earths firmament around polaris, the fixed 'North Star'...
According to diary extracts which Admiral Byrd kept during the duties he carried out in his various expeditions, he entered the hole in the ice in the region of the south pole in rather bizarre circumstances, and was eventuaally brought into contact with someone he dubbed 'THE MASTER'...
I can post a link so that anyone who might be remotely interested can peruse the diary entries...
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OK, I get it, nobody dare question the indoctrinated version of truth that the vile, evil powers that have satuarated the genereal public at large, with absolute 'mistruths'......
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OK, I get it, nobody dare question the indoctrinated version of truth that the vile, evil powers that have satuarated the genereal public at large, with absolute 'mistruths'......
OK, I get it - but ask yourselves, why is there a part of the USA in NEVADA, which is dubbed the 'ALIEN Centre', now what do you think is most relevent, or true, in that acceptance by the public at large?
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From stealth research undertaken by me I can tell you all that I have uncovered daunting evidence that the USA have permitted the aliens an opportunity to develop a duplicate technology, capable of making it appear (in NEVADA) capable of controlling the rotation of the sun, the moon, the planets, and star constellations around 'polaris'...
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Polaris isn't visible from many places, such as Australia, where they use a different star, called Sigma Octantis, which isn't visible from England. From Australia, the stars appear to rotate about that star.
In the USA, "aliens" usually refers to certain humans, rather than extraterrestrials.
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If you were observing this with your eyes, but then used a pair of binoculars the setting sun would not only look bigger but you would be able to see more of the sun's surface (more volume)!
That's simply untrue. Even a corresponding photograph made using a telescope shows that the visible proportion of the setting sun above the ocean is the same (provided that the observations are made at the same location and height, of course).
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OK, I get it, nobody dare question the indoctrinated version of truth that the vile, evil powers that have satuarated the genereal public at large, with absolute 'mistruths'......
No, completely wrong, everything in science and mathematics points to a spherical earth. There is certainly no reason for such a lie to be formulated in the first place and the whole concept of a flat earth just wouldn't work. for the reasons below. The whole theory makes the earth sound like a giant cheese board - but then I could never believe in religion to such an extent whereas 'a god' designed human life under a cloche.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64122.0
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Observe the sun (via a filter for safety) or moon fairly high in the sky for a few hours on a single clear day. As it crosses the sky, it remains the same size and shape (or any change is too small to be noticed easily). This indicates that it maintains about the same distance from the observer as it crosses the sky, which is geometrically impossible if the earth is flat and the sun or moon is anything like as close as 73 miles.
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No, completely wrong, everything in science and mathematics points to a spherical earth. There is certainly no reason for such a lie to be formulated in the first place and the whole concept of a flat earth just wouldn't work. for the reasons below. The whole theory makes the earth sound like a giant cheese board - but then I could never believe in religion to such an extent whereas 'a god' designed human life under a cloche.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64122.0
The earth is flat, not spherical - in the flat earth plane of existence everybody stands upright (unless through ill health, or disability, or when sleeping, laying down, etc), everybody walks the right way up, everyone has the same perception of what is up, and what is down, what is to the right, and what is to the left of them. It rains downward everywhere. Aeroplanes fly the right way up from place to place, and boats well they too sail the right way up, etc, etc, etc, there is no need to accommodate wrong way up standing people in the flat earth module! Aeroplanes and birds don't have to be accommodated flying upside down, or the wrong way up, and in the flat earth module we don't have to accommodate it raining upwards from the sky below!
It's simply all nonsense that the earth is spherical / a globe..
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Why does this occur if the ocean doesn't curve round the earth?
When was this photograph taken and how do you know that the photographer did not use a zoom lense to take the photograph..
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After much contemplation, I have decided upon what I believe to be, a working, fully functional working module of the flat earth!
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After much contemplation, I have decided upon what I believe to be, a working, fully functional working module of the flat earth!
In persuance of this, it seems like even in cases that the powers that be, find no evidence that something or other could not possibly be trure...
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When was this photograph taken and how do you know that the photographer did not use a zoom lens to take the photograph?
The "lower" part of the sun isn't in view, which is consistent with the ocean's surface being approximately spherical, but not what would be expected if the ocean's surface is approximately flat, regardless of the date and time when the photograph was taken. I wasn't intending to provide photographs taken with and without a zoom lens, for comparison, as the feature I wanted to show was simply that the "lower" part of the sun is out of view, so I don't know what lenses were used.
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The earth is flat, not spherical - in the flat earth plane of existence everybody stands upright (unless through ill health, or disability, or when sleeping, laying down, etc), everybody walks the right way up, everyone has the same perception of what is up, and what is down, what is to the right, and what is to the left of them. It rains downward everywhere. Aeroplanes fly the right way up from place to place, and boats well they too sail the right way up, etc, etc, etc, there is no need to accommodate wrong way up standing people in the flat earth module! Aeroplanes and birds don't have to be accommodated flying upside down, or the wrong way up, and in the flat earth module we don't have to accommodate it raining upwards from the sky below!
It's simply all nonsense that the earth is spherical / a globe..
No - it's not, it's spherical and I think you know that. Explain how lat and log work in your concept?
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No - it's not, it's spherical and I think you know that. Explain how lat and log work in your concept?
Longitude and latitude are inventions of the impossible spherical / globe earth module which is problematic! It can be scientifically proven that the east to the west coast lines supposedly exist both at the so called top of the world, and also at the bottom of the world , along with the UK, making it an impossibility! How can parts of America and the UK exist in two different parts of a globe earth at one and the same time by a reliance upon the same co-ordinates? The problem with the globe / spherical earth module is that co-ordinates of longitude and latitude converge to 0°. at both the north and the south poles (the so called top and bottom ends of the world)!
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Longitude and latitude are inventions of the impossible spherical / globe earth module which is problematic! It can be scientifically proven that the east to the west coast lines supposedly exist both at the so called top of the world, and also at the bottom of the world , along with the UK, making it an impossibility! How can parts of America and the UK exist in two different parts of a globe earth at one and the same time? The problem with the globe / spherical earth module is that co-ordinates of longitude and latitude converge to 0°. at both the north and the south poles (the so called top and bottom ends of the world)!
In the flat earth module, the lines of Longitude and Latitude are misrepresented on any plan view of the flat earth, which treats the use of these terms of measurement as originating from the central part of the flat earth (as opposed to them converging to 0° at the top and bottom of the global earth!
This error can easily be rectified in the flat earth module by doing two things:-
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In the flat earth module, the lines of Longitude and Latitude are misrepresented on any plan view of the flat earth, which treats the use of these terms of measurement as originating from the central part of the flat earth (as opposed to them converging to 0° at the top and bottom of the global earth!
This error can easily be rectified in the flat earth module by doing two things:-
In the flat earth module, the convergence point of longitudinal and latitude which focus' on the centre of the flat earth, needs to be elevated in altitude to a point above the earth's domed firmament and fixed on the 'north Star'. This will appear to show the flat earth, domed!
Secondly, a grid matrix then needs to be applied on top of the flat earth, and given unique references at regular and systematic distance, so that the co-ordinates of any place upon the flat earth can be identified by a series of grid references (which run from Zero degrees North, East, South and West) at ground level!
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In the flat earth module, the convergence point of longitudinal and latitude which focus' on the centre of the flat earth, needs to be elevated in altitude to a point above the earth's domed firmament and fixed on the 'north Star'. This will appear to show the flat earth, domed!
Secondly, a grid matrix then needs to be applied on top of the flat earth, and given unique references at regular and systematic distance, so that the co-ordinates of any place upon the flat earth can be identified by a series of grid references (which run from Zero degrees North, East, South and West) at ground level!
Calculations for airbourne longditudinal and latititudinal co-ordinations of places upon the flat earth will alter depending on how high up in altitude inside the earths domed matrix an observer, or a piece of equipment such as a drone is situated at any one given time! The grid operates on a flat plane comparitive to the flat earth, whereas the degrees of longditude and latitude operate at a 90 degree angle which is set to the 'north Star' and aligned with the central point of the flat earth!
*Pay attention, I did post my link of a video on you tube which I askeed you to watch from start to finish, and unless you do so, you ain't got a cat in hells chance of understanding the truth...
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
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Longitude and latitude are inventions of the impossible spherical / globe earth module which is problematic! It can be scientifically proven that the east to the west coast lines supposedly exist both at the so called top of the world, and also at the bottom of the world , along with the UK, making it an impossibility! How can parts of America and the UK exist in two different parts of a globe earth at one and the same time by a reliance upon the same co-ordinates? The problem with the globe / spherical earth module is that co-ordinates of longitude and latitude converge to 0°. at both the north and the south poles (the so called top and bottom ends of the world)!
*Pay attention, I did post my link of a video on you tube which I askeed you to watch from start to finish, and unless you do so, you ain't got a cat in hells chance of understanding the truth...
Eh?
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Eh?
*Pay attention, I did post my link of a video on you tube which I askeed you to watch from start to finish, and unless you do so, you ain't got a cat in hells chance of understanding the truth...
The total length in time of the clip from start to finish is 10.51 (minutes / seconds)..
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
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My ideas...
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That still doesn't explain what I stated in this post (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=8598.msg431340#msg431340).
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*Pay attention, I did post my link of a video on you tube which I askeed you to watch from start to finish, and unless you do so, you ain't got a cat in hells chance of understanding the truth...
The total length in time of the clip from start to finish is 10.51 (minutes / seconds)..
(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0
I did watch it but it's completely wrong - I used to work in navigation Mike ...
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Observe the sun (via a filter for safety) or moon fairly high in the sky for a few hours on a single clear day. As it crosses the sky, it remains the same size and shape (or any change is too small to be noticed easily). This indicates that it maintains about the same distance from the observer as it crosses the sky, which is geometrically impossible if the earth is flat and the sun or moon is anything like as close as 73 miles.
How do you know that the moon is real? It could be, but what's to say that it's not a reflected image which has been projected onto the underside of the earth's 'firmament'? Maybe it remains the same size because it's a projected image, the source of which is two or more locations on the flat earth! Off the top of my head, I can think of three such locations where this technology could be being sourced and implemented from - the hole near the south pole, the other hole at the so called top of the world in the region of the north pole, and the Alien base, in AREA 51, in Nevada!
Now I stumbled upon some very interesting images at Area 51, Nevada, which could purport to show, how images of the moon and the other planets and stars may get projected so that they appear to an observer to be up inside the earth's 'firmament', when the bottom line is that these could simply be illusions! Do you think the powers that be aren't capable of projecting an image of the moon into the 'firmament' using technology?
Anyhow, I think the population at large is the subject of brainwashing, when it comes to the orientation of the earth which is most definitely flat in orientation, and the sun and the moon! The latter two are much or less the same in size and shape as they appear to us as observers! Calculating how high the earth's 'firmament' stretches up in altitude above the inner wall (if that's what we should call it) which commences at around 73 mile's in altitude, and stretches all the way upwards to the edge of Van Allen's (radiation) belt!
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I did watch it but it's completely wrong - I used to work in navigation Mike ...
There's no doubt that it's completely wrong - because the east and west coast of the United states of America, and the UK, can't be in the northern hemisphere, yet their co-ordinations in longitude and latitude be found down at the bottom of the world (also) in the southern hemisphere close to the south pole!
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How do you know that the moon is real? It could be, but what's to say that it's a reflected image which has been projected onto the underside of the earth's 'firmament'? Maybe it remains the same size because it's a projected image, the source of which is two or more locations on the flat earth! Off the top of my head, I can think of three such locations where this technology could be being sourced and implemented from - the hole near the south pole, the other hole at the so called top of the world in the region not the north pole, and the Alien base, in AREA 51, in Nevada!
Now I stumbled upon some very interesting images at Area 51, Nevada, which could purport to show, how images of the moon and the other planets and stars may get projected so that they appear to an observer to be up inside the earth's 'firmament', when the bottom line is that these could simply be illusions!
There's a lot of new thinking about what reality is as quantum theory has changed everything. There are scientist who believe objects only exist in the way we see them when we actually look at them as it's an interaction between our eyes our brain and the energy which we convert into objects. Other scientists are questioning whether we are all components in a giant computer so the argument whether the earth is spherical or flat is of little importance, things have moved on quite a bit.
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. . a reflected image which has been projected onto the underside of the earth's 'firmament'?
According to you, that would be impossible, as it would mean that clouds couldn't be seen from earth to pass behind it.
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There's a lot of new thinking about what reality is as quantum theory has changed everything. There are scientist who believe objects only exist in the way we see them when we actually look at them as it's an interaction between our eyes our brain and the energy which we convert into objects. Other scientists are questioning whether we are all components in a giant computer so the argument whether the earth is spherical or flat is of little importance, things have moved on quite a bit.
The argument isn't important because we already know the answer.
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According to you, that would be impossible, as it would mean that clouds couldn't be seen from earth to pass behind it.
Not necessarily, since we do not know what technology 'they' are using, or may be using. If they are projecting the image of the moon against the inner edge of the earth's 'firmament' , the edge of the earth's 'firmament' is acting as a reflector! They would have to be using some sort of technically advanced laser system along which the relevant image of the moon is being beemed along inside the laser, which upon being reflected back towards its source can be halted at a specific altitude and manifest itself wherever along the path of the laser as though it were truly the moon there, and not an allusion! When you say it would be impossible to see clouds behind the moon this does not apply in a flat earth module because the equator is geocentric and located somewhere between the middle of the flat earth and it's circumference. The moon would obviously be so low in the sky that there will often be clouds behind it from the vantage point of one observer or more!
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The argument isn't important because we already know the answer.
It depends upon who you are referring to as 'we', since I know that the earth is flat in its general orientation, save for a few mountains, hills and valleys!
I does matter that the public at large is being deceived!
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The argument isn't important because we already know the answer.
How do we know we have the answer? Science moves on and there is much to learn. They thought they had all the answers when they believed the earth was flat and we know that'some not true.
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The inner edge of the earth's 'firmament' commences at 73 mile's in altitude. The lower edge of Van Allen's (radiation) belt, commences at around 600 miles in altitude. This enables us to calculate the height in altitude of the 'firmament' which at its peak is about 527 miles in depth!
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The inner edge of the earth's 'firmament' commences at 73 mile's in altitude. The lower edge of Van Allen's (radiation) belt, commences at around 600 miles in altitude. This enables us to calculate the height in altitude of the 'firmament' which at its peak is about 527 miles in depth!
Between 73 mile's in altitude, and 600 miles in altitude!
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Between 73 mile's in altitude, and 600 miles in altitude!
How thick in density is the lower Van Allen belt?
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How thick in density is the lower Van Allen belt?
Altitude of 620 miles to 3,700 miles..
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Another thing - when you zoom in on stars they don't really look like stars!
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There's no doubt that it's completely wrong - because the east and west coast of the United states of America, and the UK, can't be in the northern hemisphere, yet their co-ordinations in longitude and latitude be found down at the bottom of the world (also) in the southern hemisphere close to the south pole!
The guy in your video is basing his long/lat theory on what the THINKS Bryd said (or what he wants people to BELIEVE Bryd said). Bryd didn't say 'Middle America' he said 'Little America' and as Reader pointed out, American's pronounce little as 'liddle'. We know that his exploration base was called 'Little America' - so why on earth would be be talking about Middle America? His reading of long and lat are completely skewed because he isn't taking into account of the curvature and the fact that latitudinal lines are NOT parallel. The lines of latitude converge at the poles so the distance between them is narrower in the south pole than in the USA - something which he isn't taking account of in his demonstration. You need both long and lat to locate an area and determine it's size!
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The guy in your video is basing his long/lat theory on what the THINKS Bryd said (or what he wants people to BELIEVE Bryd said). Bryd didn't say 'Middle America' he said 'Little America' and as Reader pointed out, American's pronounce little as 'liddle'. We know that his exploration base was called 'Little America' - so why on earth would be be talking about Middle America? His reading of long and lat are completely skewed because he isn't taking into account of the curvature and the fact that latitudinal lines are NOT parallel. The lines of latitude converge at the poles so the distance between them is narrower in the south pole than in the USA - something which he isn't taking account of in his demonstration. You need both long and lat to locate an area and determine it's size!
The narrator got the longitude and latitude correct, and proved that the globe earth module is nonsensical!
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How do we know we have the answer? Science moves on and there is much to learn. They thought they had all the answers when they believed the earth was flat and we know that'some not true.
It's been over 2000 years since people thought the earth was flat - we have certainly 'moved on' since then. And we know because not only do we have scientific and mathematical proof but we also have photographic evidence. Science is only able to move on because of previous discoveries. If the earth were flat, it wouldn't be 'moving on' - it would be starting again. Of course they could all be wrong and were all actually living on a floating disk covered with a big glass cloche - just like a piece of cheese!
This is all starting to sound like a Terry Pratchett novel.
(https://i.imgur.com/k8j7Rj3.jpg)
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The narrator got the longitude and latitude correct, and proved that the globe earth module is nonsensical!
The only thing he proved was that he doesn't understand the concepts of lat and long!
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The only thing he proved was that he doesn't understand the concepts of lat and long!
He got the figures perfectly right, he made no mistake - he debunked the globe earth module...
These are the facilities being used to generate the planets, and project them into the earth's dome, and the earth's 'firmament'
Flat in origin, flat in projection!!
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Not necessarily, since we do not know what technology 'they' are using, or may be using.
If you don't know what technology could achieve what you are describing, what evidence enables you to "know" that the moon is flat? A projected image wouldn't have to be flat. Your own image in a flat mirror isn't flat.
Also, would you speculate similarly for the sun, which also has the "same size" property when observed from Earth?
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He got the figures perfectly right, he made no mistake - he debunked the globe earth module...
These are the facilities being used to generate the planets, and project them into the earth's dome, and the earth's 'firmament'
Flat in origin, flat in projection!!
The ALIEN CENTRE is right at the heart of these facilities...
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He got the figures perfectly right, he made no mistake - he debunked the globe earth module...
These are the facilities being used to generate the planets, and project them into the earth's dome, and the earth's 'firmament'
Flat in origin, flat in projection!!
But he didn't - not even close. In fact, he's showing himself up by posting the video in the first place!
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Flat in origin, flat in projection!!
You don't know "flat in origin", as you're speculating on all the technical details by your own admission. It's easy in theory to project a very realistic image onto a round surface. I've seen a small scale demonstration of this to create the illusion of a human face.
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You don't know "flat in origin", as you're speculating on all the technical details by your own admission. It's easy in theory to project a very realistic image onto a round surface. I've seen a small scale demonstration of this to create the illusion of a human face.
'Flat in origin, and flat in projection' - the facilities on view here are flat, and circular, certainly not global in shape!
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'Flat in origin, and flat in projection' - the facilities on view here are flat, and circular, certainly not global in shape!
Let's take a closer look:-
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But he didn't - not even close. In fact, he's showing himself up by posting the video in the first place!
You obviously do not understand what he is saying...
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The ALIEN CENTRE is right at the heart of these facilities...
Yes, it's a petrol station and cafe and they also have a brothel there too. Guess that;s for all the tourists that flock there looking for Aliens.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g29719-d8026088-r295667899-Area_51_Alien_Travel_Center-Amargosa_Valley_Nevada.html
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. . . and the fact that latitudinal lines are NOT parallel. The lines of latitude converge at the poles . . .
You should have typed "longitude" rather than "latitude". Lines of longitude converge at the poles. Lines of latitude define parallel planes.
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More images of AREA 51 circular facilities:-
Do these circular facilities rotate below the surface, or above it, or both?
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Now look at images captured in the earth's 'firmament':-
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Compare those with these images captured in AREA 51:-
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Admiral Byrd:-
'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!
'Strangely enough' - (why was it so strange), 'in the world today an area as big as the United States of America which has never been seen by A human being'...
The Alien base at AREA 51 is one such place...
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. . . the sun and the moon! The latter two are much or less the same in size and shape as they appear to us as observers!
You mean the sun is only a fraction of an inch wide?
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You should have typed "longitude" rather than "latitude". Lines of longitude converge at the poles. Lines of latitude define parallel planes.
Yes I should, but being a flawed human being, I am capable of making mistakes and often do.
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You obviously do not understand what he is saying...
I understand completely what he is saying, that's why I know he's completely wrong. Point is, he's the one who doesn't understand the concept enough to comment on it.
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Admiral Byrd:-
'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!
'Strangely enough' - (why was it so strange), 'in the world today an area as big as the United States of America which has never been seen by A human being'...
The Alien base at AREA 51 is one such place...
Byrd was making a subtle reference to AREA 51 in Nevada, the Alien base inside which a human being had never seen, and the purpose for his expedition to the south pole where he established contact with Aliens inside a hole which was the source of the earth's dome!
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You mean the sun is only a fraction of an inch wide?
The size they appear to an observer on the flat earth is due to perspective..
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Look at these puzzling images captured close in proximity to the mysterious circular facilities at AREA 51, in Nevada:-
Admiral Byrd
'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!
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Admaril Byrd's Diaries:-
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947
0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight northward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.
0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.
0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pressure indicator seems normal, however.
0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbulence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.
0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.
0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.
0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.
0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!
0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.
0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!
0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.
1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!
1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed – it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.
1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!
1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and starboard wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!
1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: ‘Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.’ I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.
1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.
Admiral Byrd continues
“From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.
The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are received in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short distance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter.One of my hosts speaks. ‘Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master…’ I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my surroundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, ‘I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.’ I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following. ‘We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.’ Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! ‘Yes,” the Master replies with a smile, ‘you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here.
“Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the “Flugelrads”, to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race’s wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.’ I interrupted, ‘But what does this have to do with me, Sir?’ The Master’s eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, ‘Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it…’ I nodded, and the Master continued, ‘In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour.. do you say I am mistaken?’
‘No,’ I answer, ‘it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.’ ‘Yes, my son,’ replied the Master, ‘the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife…and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message…..’ With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream….but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. ‘This way, Admiral,’ motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face.
‘Farewell, my son,’ he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.
Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master’s chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, ‘We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.’ I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expression on his face.
As I approached, I said, ‘It is all right, Howie, it is all right.’ The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was immediately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some distance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.
215 Hours- A radio message comes through. ‘We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!’ We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.
The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts….
ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:
220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond.
We report all conditions normal….normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission…..
END LOG ENTRIES
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March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon.
I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty-nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.
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30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:
These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind…I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.
This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again….and those who are of darkness shall fall in it’s Light…FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd United States Navy 24 December 1956
Editor’s note: One should not read too much into the Germanic connection. The swastika is an ancient religious and Buddhist symbol. Hitler was a black magician and arch enemy of mankind. Both he and Goehring relentlessly pursued occult secrets and artifacts. They even tried to go to ‘the center of the Earth.’ I guess they might of known something of import at psychic levels, if this account by Byrd is true.
There are many types of fields of energy interpenetrating this planet. There are many planes of existence. There are lower realms where demons and entities lie in wait for those who do not have the light to go to etheric realms after death or even at night for that matter. I suggest you ask your favorite angel or saint to take you up to etheric planes as you sleep.
Whose to say that there aren’t different types of civilizations inside the earth as well, Germanic or otherwise. Admiral Byrd could have had a predilection for Nordic myths or several embodiments in the Germanic regions, so his experience could have been seen through the prism of his consciousness.
I find it very interesting that this happened right around the time of the Roswell incident. So here you have Truman and others from the industrial military complex worried about extra-terrestrials and the threat they pose trying to decide what to do with Bryd’s fantastic tale. They put the lid on it just as they did with Roswell. They do not trust us with the truth and do not want us to have the truth.
As fantastic as Admiral Byrd’s tale is, it most be given credence as the master said, because of Byrd’s impeccable character; and this is just the sort of cover-up our government has perpetuated more and more on us in the last 60 years. Without the truth, without true prophecy, without the realization of the Divine nature within, the people cannot be set free and they will not be free of the descent of their own karma.
Is Our Earth Really Hollow?-6/15 by Gerry Forster, This is a fascinating piece discussing the subject from every perspective. Disparate views are brought in from all sorts of sources including, Bulwer-Lytton, Blavatsky, The Roerichs, Admiral Byrd and Buddhist theology regarding Shambhala. Editor
Further reference:
Richard E. Byrd 1888-1957
Alone – Richard Evelyn Byrd
Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd?
Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd And the Quest for the Inner Passage Part I
The Missing Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd: Fact or Fiction?
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Look at these puzzling images captured close in proximity to the mysterious circular facilities at AREA 51, in Nevada:-
Seems to me like the Aliens, or the powers that be, can manipulate time and space - they can make things appear where ordinarily they can't possibly be, or have been...
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Are the diary entries of Admiral Byrd faked?
Or did he accurately record in his diary, that what he experienced and saw, and did, whilst he was at the south pole on the 19th February, 1947 (between 06.00 hrs on that date, and to 02.30hrs on the 20th February, 1947)?
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Are the diary entries of Admiral Byrd faked?
Or did he accurately record in his diary, that what he experienced and saw, and did, whilst he was at the south pole on the 19th February, 1947 (between 06.00 hrs on that date, and to 02.30hrs on the 20th February, 1947)?
If true, then there must exist other land beneath the flat earth, land which stretches from the north pole all the way to the south pole region, 'land as big as the United States of America, never seen before by a human being'... - such a huge statement to make by Admiral Byrd, but make it he did! How could such a huge piece of land as big as the United States of America never have been seen by a human being?
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If true, then there must exist other land beneath the flat earth, land which stretches from the north pole all the way to the south pole region, 'land as big as the United States of America, never seen before by a human being'... - such a huge statement to make by Admiral Byrd, but make it he did! How could such a huge piece of land as big as the United States of America never have been seen by a human being?
A concealed land, perhaps?
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A concealed land, perhaps?
This is intriguing because en route to the south pole, Byrds expedition circumnavigated the flat earth, all along the wall of ice from north to south (if there had been any land he would have noted it, surely)!
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This is intriguing because en route to the south pole, Byrds expedition circumnavigated the flat earth, all along the wall of ice from north to south (if there had been any land he would have noted it, surely)!
But not note anything you have said about a flat earth in his televised interview?
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Byrd was making a subtle reference to AREA 51 in Nevada, the Alien base inside which a human being had never seen, and the purpose for his expedition to the south pole where he established contact with Aliens inside a hole which was the source of the earth's dome!
How could he be talking about Area 51? Is area 51 the size of the USA - pretty impossible when it's a small percentage OF the USA. He was talking about the unexplored parts of Antartica, beyond his base camp which was called 'Little America'. He never mentioned an alien once.
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How could he be talking about Area 51? Is area 51 the size of the USA - pretty impossible when it's a small percentage OF the USA. He was talking about the unexplored parts of Antartica, beyond his base camp which was called 'Little America'. He never mentioned an alien once.
He actually said 'middle America' ( In the clip we both saw at different Links) and he does mention aliens beneath the surface of the south pole in his diary, as recorded by him on the 19th February, 1947, entries between 06.00 hrs that date, and 02.30hrs, on the following morning:-
Admaril Byrd's Diaries:-
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947
0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight northward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.
0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.
0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pressure indicator seems normal, however.
0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbulence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.
0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.
0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.
0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.
0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!
0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.
0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!
0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.
1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!
1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed – it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.
1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!
1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and starboard wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!
1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: ‘Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.’ I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.
1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.
Admiral Byrd continues
“From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.
The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are received in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short distance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter.One of my hosts speaks. ‘Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master…’ I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my surroundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, ‘I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.’ I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following. ‘We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.’ Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! ‘Yes,” the Master replies with a smile, ‘you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here.
“Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the “Flugelrads”, to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race’s wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.’ I interrupted, ‘But what does this have to do with me, Sir?’ The Master’s eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, ‘Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it…’ I nodded, and the Master continued, ‘In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour.. do you say I am mistaken?’
‘No,’ I answer, ‘it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.’ ‘Yes, my son,’ replied the Master, ‘the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife…and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message…..’ With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream….but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. ‘This way, Admiral,’ motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face.
‘Farewell, my son,’ he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.
Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master’s chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, ‘We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.’ I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expression on his face.
As I approached, I said, ‘It is all right, Howie, it is all right.’ The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was immediately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some distance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.
215 Hours- A radio message comes through. ‘We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!’ We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.
The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts….
ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:
220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond.
We report all conditions normal….normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission…..
END LOG ENTRIES
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March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon.
I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty-nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.
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30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:
These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind…I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.
This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again….and those who are of darkness shall fall in it’s Light…FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd United States Navy 24 December 1956
Editor’s note: One should not read too much into the Germanic connection. The swastika is an ancient religious and Buddhist symbol. Hitler was a black magician and arch enemy of mankind. Both he and Goehring relentlessly pursued occult secrets and artifacts. They even tried to go to ‘the center of the Earth.’ I guess they might of known something of import at psychic levels, if this account by Byrd is true.
There are many types of fields of energy interpenetrating this planet. There are many planes of existence. There are lower realms where demons and entities lie in wait for those who do not have the light to go to etheric realms after death or even at night for that matter. I suggest you ask your favorite angel or saint to take you up to etheric planes as you sleep.
Whose to say that there aren’t different types of civilizations inside the earth as well, Germanic or otherwise. Admiral Byrd could have had a predilection for Nordic myths or several embodiments in the Germanic regions, so his experience could have been seen through the prism of his consciousness.
I find it very interesting that this happened right around the time of the Roswell incident. So here you have Truman and others from the industrial military complex worried about extra-terrestrials and the threat they pose trying to decide what to do with Bryd’s fantastic tale. They put the lid on it just as they did with Roswell. They do not trust us with the truth and do not want us to have the truth.
As fantastic as Admiral Byrd’s tale is, it most be given credence as the master said, because of Byrd’s impeccable character; and this is just the sort of cover-up our government has perpetuated more and more on us in the last 60 years. Without the truth, without true prophecy, without the realization of the Divine nature within, the people cannot be set free and they will not be free of the descent of their own karma.
Is Our Earth Really Hollow?-6/15 by Gerry Forster, This is a fascinating piece discussing the subject from every perspective. Disparate views are brought in from all sorts of sources including, Bulwer-Lytton, Blavatsky, The Roerichs, Admiral Byrd and Buddhist theology regarding Shambhala. Editor
Further reference:
Richard E. Byrd 1888-1957
Alone – Richard Evelyn Byrd
Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd?
Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd And the Quest for the Inner Passage Part I
The Missing Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd: Fact or Fiction?
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But not note anything you have said about a flat earth in his televised interview?
He did note it about the land underneath the south pole in his diary entries!
You have to try to bear in mind the land what he says he saw beneath the ice at the south poleand the type of alien he refers to, and the fact that during his televised interview, he said, Admiral Byrd:-
'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!
Well, he can't hve been talking about 'Little America then could he because there were loads of other human beings camped out there during the expeditions, so when he said, 'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' he must surely have been referring to the land beneath the south pole!
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Also, some time aago when I said that I had seen a different video about Admiral Byrds expedition to the south pole, than Caroline was referring to. This still holds true but is an account of one of his pilots about the expedition in question, who states that the expedition to the south pole was successful but for 'a mishap' on one occasion there, which he wasn't permitted to talk about!
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And in Nevada, and nearby there are these circular facilities in the ground, all over the place including this one:-
Which has a 6 pointed star set in the middle of it..
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The size they appear to an observer on the flat earth is due to perspective..
So when you referred to the observed sizes of the sun and moon, you were merely telling us what we already know - that they appear, due to perspective, to have about the same size? If one could compare the "real size" (for want of a better term) of the sun, moon and Earth, which would be widest, and which would be second widest?
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Admiral Byrd's Diaries:
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947
Admiral Byrd was in the Antarctic; the diary entries you provided are fiction.
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He did note it about the land underneath the south pole in his diary entries!
You have to try to bear in mind the land what he says he saw beneath the ice at the south poleand the type of alien he refers to, and the fact that during his televised interview, he said, Admiral Byrd:-
'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' (continuing) 'and that's beyond the pole on the other side of the south pole from 'Little / middle' America' (continuing) ' an area as big as the United States thats never been seen by a human being'!
Well, he can't hve been talking about 'Little America then could he because there were loads of other human beings camped out there during the expeditions, so when he said, 'that strangely enough in the world today an area as big as the united States of America, which has never been seen by a human being' he must surely have been referring to the land beneath the south pole!
What diary is that? You mean the missing diary? If it's missing, how can someone quote from it? Or do you mean someone's interpretation of it? But back to my point above, if all that happened, why didn't he refer to it in the TV interview? Something as sensational as that and not a peep about it? Hmmmmmmm
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What diary is that? The One I posted up, is the subject behind a published book..You mean the missing diary? Er, no not the missing diary, since if it were missing it couldn't be subject of the published book! If it's missing, Its's the other diary which is missing, the one where the expedtion supposedly high tailed it out of the south pole, being confronted by aliens with far superior aircraft and technology which caused loss of life, a ship, and aircraft, etc...how can someone quote from it? Simply, by reading its contents and making certain assumptions about what Admiral Byrd wrote about...Or do you mean someone's interpretation of it? I can't see how anyone including you could interpret what Admiral Byrd wrote about in that diary, and be way off the truth...But back to my point above, if all that happened, Admiral Byrd wrote about it, and I for one believe that its contents are true, precise, and very informative!why didn't he refer to it in the TV interview? I suppose because he was told that he could not officially talk about it in public, hence why he wrote about it in his personal diaries...Something as sensational as that and not a peep about it? Maybe you should read the book, and then form your opinion...Hmmmmmmm At least try to proceed with an open mind until you have all the facts...
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So when you referred to the observed sizes of the sun and moon, Yes...you were merely telling us what we already know I thought you knew differently? Likewise, there must be others who also think differently, because you have all been indoctrinated to accept that which 'they' say is a scientifically proven fact! - that they appear, due to perspective, to have about the same size? From an observer on the flat earth, the sun and the moon appear to be the same size, yeah, I think most people wwould be in agreement with that presentation... If one could compare the "real size" (for want of a better term) of the sun, moon and Earth, which would be widest, I think you already know the answer, since it depends upon who is observing who, on either the sun, or the moon, or the flat earth, itself, since the observers persective is paramount, and this has a bearing upon the point you are inviting me to explain... and which would be second widest? I can only answer from the perspective of being an observer upon the surface of the flat earth, and the answer to that is that the sun and the moon appear to be of the same size, so there is no bigger or smaller planet, widthwise...
I have never been to the moon, and no-one else has, or to the surface of the sun, so I can't say that the sun or the moon is wider, or bigger than the earth in radius, or in circumference, etc...
But based on my perspective as an observer on the flat earth, I am obviously going to have to say that the flat earth is much wider, that the sun, and the moon...
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Does any body know the date that 'the Pope' visited the south pole?
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Does any body know the date that 'the Pope' visited the south pole?
Also, other heads of state, or their representatives?
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Also, other heads of state, or their representatives?
Prince Harry?
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Prince Harry?
'Buzz' Aldrin?
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Look Here:-
(1) - http://listverse.com/2018/01/05/top-10-chilling-expeditions-to-antarctica/
(2) - https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/12/antarctica-update-strange-visitors/
MORE STRANGE VISITORS…
In the wake of my blogs about the strange goings on in Antarctica lately, several people shared more information about the southern polar continent's list of visitors, and a very strange list it is indeed. And I thought I'd pass along their findings to the readership here, along with a few remarks and high octane speculations of my own. For example, Mr. D.A. sent along the following list; among the list of visitors to Antarctica, we may now add the fact that former President Bill Clinton visited the Christ Church, New Zealand "Deep Freeze" Base in that city:
PRESIDENT CLINTON VISIT TO THE CHRISTCHURCH INTERNATIONAL ANTARCTIC CENTRE AND OPERATION DEEPFREEZE.
Notably, according to this short article, President Clinton spoke via telephone to the American McMurdo base in Antarctica.
But wait... there's more.
The list also includes Great Britain's Prince Harry:
Prince Harry and the Royal Family in the South Pole
According to this article, the visit was a "charity function" for wounded soldiers:
In November 2013, Prince Harry joined one of three teams of wounded servicemen and women to trek to the geographic South Pole for Walking With the Wounded South Pole Allied Challenge.
The three seven-man teams from the UK, Commonwealth and USA departed London for Cape Town on Sunday 17th November to acclimatise at Novolazarevskaya Station, Antarctica.
The expedition to the South Pole began from 87° south on 30th November, with the teams reaching the geographic South Pole on 13th December.
The teams of service personnel, all of whom have physical or cognitive injuries, represented and raised funds for military charities from the constituent nations: Soldier On (Canada); Soldier On (Australia); Soldiers to Summits (United States); and Walking With The Wounded (United Kingdom).
Due to the hostile conditions and the nature of the injuries involved, the expedition teams were followed by a support team, who were on hand in case of emergencies.
Trekking around 15km to 20km per day, the teams endured temperatures as low as -45°C and 50mph winds as they pull their pulks (custom built arctic sledges), each weighing in excess of 70kg, towards the southernmost point on the globe.
As with previous Walking With The Wounded expeditions, the South Pole Allied Challenge aims to highlight the extraordinary courage and determination of the men and women who have been wounded while serving their countries and to draw attention to the need to help in their career transition.
Stop and ponder that one for a moment: a trip to Antarctica to "highlight the extraordinary courage and determination of the men and women who have been wounded while serving their countries and to draw attention to the need to help in their career transition." Uh huh... I know that that event certainly stuck in my mind and made me think immediately of how hard career transitions are for wounded soldiers.
Frankly, a parade down main street would have been more effective, and therefore I question the story, not that the expedition didn't happen, but rather, I question the explanation of why it happened.
Oh, and before he left with his entourage, Prince Harry of course spent a little time at the Palace meeting with his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II at a reception:
Before they set off, The Walking With The Wounded teams and Prince Harry met The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh at a reception at Buckingham Palace as they made their final preparations for the 200 mile expedition.
Now, if you're like me, you will suspect that there was probably a bit more going on here than just a "reception" with grandmum and granddad.
And then finally, we have King Juan Carlos and his Queen making a little trek through the Straits of Magellan on a Chilean navy vessel, before the King "fulfilled an ambition" by visiting Antarctica in 2004:
SPAIN - ROYAL VISIT OF KING CARLOS TO ANTARCTICA
Now, if you're keeping royal Antarctica score cards here, that marks the British Royal House, and the Spanish Royal House, as visitors to the continent, and (just for kicks) let's recall that the House of Windsor, or better put, the House of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha has its own multifaceted connections to the old houses of Hannover, Welf-Este, and of course, the house of Hohenzollern for all you Kaiser Wilhelm II fans. And if we really want to poke around in the family archives a bit, we'd have to include at least historic connections with the House of Orange as well. And the Spanish royal house, similarly, has its own multifaceted historical and biological connections to the Bourbon-Poissons in France, and to the Hapsburgs. One has to wonder, therefore, what the Antarctica gossip was around the royal dinner tables in London and Madrid and in Germany, France, and Austria.
All we're missing here is a visit by the Romanovs, but given all the other high strangeness, perhaps we can figure that Patriarch Kiril's visit might have been that of a "representative."
So adding it all up, we have the following increasingly strange and bizarre list of people that have either visited, or have been connected to, Antarctica:
1) Rudolf Hess (sponsor of 1938-39 Nazi Expedition);
2) Herman Goering(sponsor of 1938-39 Nazi Expedition);
3) Admiral Richard Byrd, visitor, leader of Operation High Jump, 1947, who makes strange remarks for El Mercurio of Santiago de Chile about the USA preparing to defend against "enemy fighters that can fly from pole to pole with tremendous speed";
4) Russian Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow, Kiril III (visitor), to bless an Orthodox chapel;
5) US Secretary of State John Kerry, visitor, to learn about "climate change" (so we're told);
6) Buzz Aldrin, Apollo 11 Moon astronaut, visitor, who tweets about getting ready to "go to the launchpad", who then has to be evacuated and quarantined;
7) Prince Harry of Great Britain, visitor on a "charity" junket to highlight wounded soldiers and difficult career transitions;
8) King Juan Carlos of Spain, visitor, who wants to fulfill a "lifelong ambition" to see beautiful, scenic Antarctica.
And as if all this were not enough, Buzz Aldrin allegedly tweeted "We are all in danger. It is evil itself," (Astronaut Buzz Aldrin Tweets "We are all in Danger. It is evil itself") apparently in reference to the alleged pyramid-mountain found on the continent. I cannot help but to indulge in a little tangential high octane speculation here, since having proposed the most outlandish pyramid theory of them all, namely, that the Great Pyramid may have been built as a weapon of some sort. So if that really is a pyramid down there, and if Aldrin really tweeted that, then one might perhaps be looking at either another such case, or at the original. But, as I said before, I have my doubts about this Antarctic pyramid story(See
ANTARCTICA, JOHN KERRY, PYRAMIDS, AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES…
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Now, there are some who promote the idea that the Pope 'Francis' never visited 'Antarctica' but I will let you make your own minds up, about this...
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Did the Admiral Byrd expedition discover 'GOD' when it visited the south Pole?
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Did the Admiral Byrd expedition discover 'GOD' when it visited the south Pole?
Or, at least the closest thing to 'GOD' that anyone could begin to imagine?
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I would now like to place the following proposition to everybody, along the lines that Byrds expeditions to the south pole were chiefly concerned with, locating and destroying the earths dorm, which was being controlled and regulated, by the aliens
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I would now like to place the following proposition to everybody, along the lines that Byrds expeditions to the south pole were chiefly concerned with, locating and destroying the earths dorm, which was being controlled and regulated, by the aliens..
But, that attempt failed! It was repelled...
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I have no doubt in my mind, that the USA are experts at deception, and mischief!!
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I have no doubt in my mind, that the USA are experts at deception, and mischief!!
I believe (just my opinion) that the USA is now partially, or maybe even fully in control of the deceiving the general public into thinking that the circular facilities viewable in certain parts of Nevada, and the surrounding areas, are nothing but irrigated circular crop growing facilities, when all along these same facilities, have a more sinister purpose...
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I believe (just my opinion) that the USA is now partially, or maybe even fully in control of the deceiving the general public into thinking that the circular facilities viewable in certain parts of Nevada, and the surrounding areas, are nothing but irrigated circular crop growing facilities, when all along these same facilities, have a more sinister purpose...
I have a working theory, which if proven to be true, exposes the USA of the biggest deception of all...
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I have no doubt that everyone of you wants to know wht my theory is, yeah?
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. . . it depends upon who is observing who, on either the sun, or the moon, or the flat earth, itself, since the observer's perspective is paramount
I tried to make it clear that I wasn't asking about apparent sizes that depend on the observer, but instead to the actual dimensions of the sun, moon and Earth.
I can only answer from the perspective of being an observer upon the surface of the flat earth
I wasn't asking about observer-dependent apparent sizes, as I've explained above.
So now can you tell me which is widest and which is second widest in the sense that I intended?
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I tried to make it clear that I wasn't asking about apparent sizes that depend on the observer, but instead to the actual dimensions of the sun, moon and Earth. Earth is widest (as you put it) and the moon and the sun are virtually identical in width..
I wasn't asking about observer-dependent apparent sizes, as I've explained above.
So now can you tell me which is widest and which is second widest in the sense that I intended? Earth widest, moon and sun next widest!
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Looks like NASA is contemplating terminating the ISS in 2020, which comes as no surprise to me because it is a scam!
(1) - https://www.space.com/39505-nasa-potential-international-space-station-end-concerns.html?utm_source=notification
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Looks like NASA is contemplating terminating the ISS in 2020, which comes as no surprise to me because it is a scam!
(1) - https://www.space.com/39505-nasa-potential-international-space-station-end-concerns.html?utm_source=notification
Maybe the deception is finally catching up with them!
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Maybe the deception is finally catching up with them!
It won't be long before NASA is disbanded once everybody realises they have been stealing and misusing public funds to finance their deceptions!
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There's evidence of a big deception in mid America, in the form of projection technology being disguised as irrigation circles in Nevada and surrounding terrain!
I have discovered evidence, for example, that many of the constellations in the earth's 'firmament', can be reproduced from various matrix of these circular facilities which exist in abundance, all over those parts of middle America!
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Earth is widest (as you put it) and the moon and the sun are virtually identical in width.
Most "flat earth" websites I've seen suggest that the sun is a considerable distance away - thousands of miles according to some sites. Do you disagree with that and believe that the sun is less than 100 miles away from Earth?
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Most "flat earth" websites I've seen suggest that the sun is a considerable distance away - thousands of miles according to some sites. Do you disagree with that and believe that the sun is less than 100 miles away from Earth?
It is much closer..
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The various Constellation shapes can be built into the irrigation circles located in various places in 'middle' America..
Check some of these google earth images out against constellation shapes!!!
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I assume you mean the sun is much closer than 100 miles from Earth. How have you arrived at that conclusion?
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I assume you mean the sun is much closer than 100 miles from Earth. How have you arrived at that conclusion?
Size, which is comparable to size of moon in earth's 'firmament', and earth's dome...
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Size, which is comparable to size of moon in earth's 'firmament', and earth's dome...
I don't think the sun's light rays could possibly penetrate Van Allens two (radiation) belts without being distorted (inner ring of Van Allen belt is about 600 miles in altitude above surface of the flat earth, the outer Van Allens belt is roughly 1,700 miles above the flat earths surface)!
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I have captured the images of this circle phenomena all over the place in and around Nevada, but nowhere else on the earth...
It's got to be significant...
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What does anyone make of the following claim:-
(1) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/913279/Aliens-in-UFOs-prevented-nuclear-WW3-between-US-Russia
Please press start arrow in video footage, thank you!
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Can any body hazard a guess, what these are, and more importantly what they remind everyone of?
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Well, the above are images of a radar screen, and look how similar they are in design to the mysterious irrigation circles situated in and around Nevada!
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And then there's similar shapes in the earth's 'firmament':-
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’ ‘Yes, my son,’ replied the Master, ‘the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
Hmmmmm. the words above could have come straight from the movie Lost Horizon starring Ronald Coleman who's character has an audience with the Dali Lama in Shangra-La, a lost city in Tibet.
“You, my son, (said the Master), “will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens … but I see in the great distance a new world starting in the ruins … But in hopefulness, seeking it’s lost and legendary treasures, and they will all be here, my son, hidden behind the mountains under the blue moon, preserved as if by a miracle…”
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Hmmmmm. the words above could have come straight from the movie Lost Horizon starring Ronald Coleman who's character has an audience with the Dali Lama in Shangra-La, a lost city in Tibet.
“You, my son, (said the Master), “will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens … but I see in the great distance a new world starting in the ruins … But in hopefulness, seeking it’s lost and legendary treasures, and they will all be here, my son, hidden behind the mountains under the blue moon, preserved as if by a miracle…”
Maybe the script of that film were based upon the diary entries of Admiral Byrd? When was the movie produced?
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It was released in September of 1937. Its director had previously directed a movie that featured competition between naval fixed-wing and airship pilots to reach the South Pole by air.
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Size, which is comparable to size of moon in earth's 'firmament', and earth's dome...
How did you apply that to conclude that the sun is much closer than 100 miles from Earth?
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It was released in September of 1937. Its director had previously directed a movie that featured competition between naval fixed-wing and airship pilots to reach the South Pole by air.
Oh, South Pole, again, maybe someone else had a similar experience to admiral Byrd, and was told similar things to what was told to admiral Byrd a decade later?
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How did you apply that to conclude that the sun is much closer than 100 miles from Earth?
Clouds behind and in front of the sun...
Highest clouds in altitude, and inner edge of 'firmament' at about 73 mile's, inner Van Allen belt set at around 620 miles in altitude, outer Van Allen belt set at around 1,700 miles in altitude - sun can't be beyond these planes of altitude, the atmosphere is too dense in either of the two Van Allen belts to enable the sun to be seen and felt by an observer on the surface of the flat earth, or the globe earth models!
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Clouds behind and in front of the sun...
Clouds behind, and in front of the moon...
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A great deal has happened since Admiral Byrd's expedition to the South Pole in February, 1947...
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What does anyone make of the following claim:-
(1) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/913279/Aliens-in-UFOs-prevented-nuclear-WW3-between-US-Russia
Please press start arrow in video footage, thank you!
(1) - https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/679045/Aliens-news-WW3-US-Russia-nuclear-weapons-ufo-video-Trump-Putin
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Clouds behind and in front of the sun...
I thought that concept was for the moon. If, however, the sun were closer than the highest clouds, that could be described as much closer than 100 miles, and it would also mean the sun was well below the inner firmament, but you stated earlier (in this post (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8598.msg429727.html#msg429727)) that the sun must be outside the firmament.
Do you agree that if the sun is anywhere above Earth (close or not close), there is a location on Earth that is directly below the sun, so that an observer at that location would have the sun directly above them? The location would vary, depending on the date and time, of course.
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Maybe the script of that film were based upon the diary entries of Admiral Byrd? When was the movie produced?
1937 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029162/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
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1937 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029162/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
It was also filmed and produced in 1973..
Now, which version includes the comments you drew my attention to?
(1) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029162/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
(2) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070337/locations
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I thought that concept was for the moon. It applies to the moon, yes...If, however, the sun were closer than the highest clouds, Which it is at certain times.. that could be described as much closer than 100 miles, Correct, and at other times much further above them...and it would also mean the sun was well below the inner firmament, Sometimes it is, but not at other times.. but you stated earlier (in this post (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8598.msg429727.html#msg429727)) that the sun must be outside the firmament. Correct, and sometimes it is...
Do you agree that if the sun is anywhere above Earth (close or not close), there is a location on Earth that is directly below the sun, The sun is always above that part of the earth that it illuminates... so that an observer at that location would have the sun directly above them? However, it can't be said to be above the earth in the parts of the earth the sun is not illuminating...The location would vary, depending on the date and time, of course. In parts of the flat earth which are illuminated by sunlight the sun is always above all those regions of the earth, only at different altitudes from say the location of an observer on one part of the flat earth, as opposed to another observer in another part of the flat earth, its down to perspective, and density in the atmosphere inside the earths dome (which accounts for sunrise and sunset, to different observers in / at different locations upon the illumuinated and darkened parts of the flat earth)...
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I thought that concept was for the moon. If, however, the sun were closer than the highest clouds, that could be described as much closer than 100 miles, and it would also mean the sun was well below the inner firmament, but you stated earlier (in this post (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8598.msg429727.html#msg429727)) that the sun must be outside the firmament.
Do you agree that if the sun is anywhere above Earth (close or not close), there is a location on Earth that is directly below the sun, so that an observer at that location would have the sun directly above them? The location would vary, depending on the date and time, of course.
As can be seen, or viewed, by an observer on the flat earth, there are clouds behind and in front of the sun at one time or another!
It is inappropriate for anybody to simply say that what is being seen, or what has been seen, is nothing but an optical illusion, but that the sun is really 93 million miles away! The sun is not 93 million miles away, and if anybody chooses to believe that what is being seen, or has been seen, and captured in video footage and on camera being nothing but an optical illusion, then I have this to say to all of such people, I will say to each and everyone of you who believe in the optical illusion phenomena, that the sun itself is an optical illusion, it's not a physical manifestation but rather an illusionary one!
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How remarkable, that during a solar eclipse, that the shadow of the moon takes on the exact same size and shape as the sun itself to an observer upon the earth or from somewhere in altitude inside the earth's dome!!!
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It was also filmed and produced in 1973..
Now, which version includes the comments you drew my attention to?
(1) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029162/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
(2) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070337/locations
Well, Ronald Coleman wouldn't have been in a 1973 movie being as he died in 1958. The line I posted is from the 1937 film which is why I posted the link for it.
However, I am sure you won't take my word for it so here is the Wiki page for the same movie and it contains the same quote.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lost_Horizon_(film)
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Well, Ronald Coleman wouldn't have been in a 1973 movie being as he died in 1958. The line I posted is from the 1937 film which is why I posted the link for it.
However, I am sure you won't take my word for it so here is the Wiki page for the same movie and it contains the same quote.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lost_Horizon_(film)
I don't see anything at this link which proves what your suggesting, or disproves what I am saying!
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. . . it is at certain times... and at other times much further above them... Sometimes it is, but not at other times
Does that apply to the moon as well? How come the moon and the sun always appear to have about the same angular diameter (namely, half a degree) in the sky when they can be seen clearly? Such observations indicate that the distances of both the sun and moon from any observer on Earth don't vary enough to cause an easily noticeable change in the apparent angular diameter of either.
It was very misleading of you to state "the sun must be outside the firmament" if that applies only some of the time... the firmament couldn't reasonably be described as impenetrable if the sun is sometimes below it and sometimes outside it.
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I don't see anything at this link which proves what your suggesting, or disproves what I am saying!
It proved that the quote didn't come from Byrd.
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It proved that the quote didn't come from Byrd.
No, it doesn't because you haven't proved or established that those words were spoken in that version of the film, it is probably the case that if those words were spoken at all, they were spoken in the latter production of the same movie...
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No, it doesn't because you haven't proved or established that those words were spoken in that version of the film, it iss probably the case that if those words were spoken at all, they were spoken in the latter production of the same movie...
So, what your saying is that the whole of Admiral Byrds diary extract from the 19th February 1947, is repeated in that version of the movie which was produced in 1937?
Admaril Byrd's Diaries:-
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947
0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight northward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.
0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.
0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pressure indicator seems normal, however.
0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbulence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.
0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.
0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.
0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.
0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!
0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.
0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!
0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.
1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!
1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed – it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.
1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!
1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and starboard wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!
1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: ‘Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.’ I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.
1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.
Admiral Byrd continues
“From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.
The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are received in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short distance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter.One of my hosts speaks. ‘Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master…’ I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my surroundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, ‘I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.’ I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following. ‘We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.’ Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! ‘Yes,” the Master replies with a smile, ‘you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here.
“Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the “Flugelrads”, to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race’s wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.’ I interrupted, ‘But what does this have to do with me, Sir?’ The Master’s eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, ‘Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it…’ I nodded, and the Master continued, ‘In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour.. do you say I am mistaken?’
‘No,’ I answer, ‘it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.’ ‘Yes, my son,’ replied the Master, ‘the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife…and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message…..’ With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream….but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. ‘This way, Admiral,’ motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face.
‘Farewell, my son,’ he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.
Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master’s chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, ‘We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.’ I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expression on his face.
As I approached, I said, ‘It is all right, Howie, it is all right.’ The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was immediately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some distance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.
215 Hours- A radio message comes through. ‘We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!’ We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.
The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts….
ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:
220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond.
We report all conditions normal….normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission…..
END LOG ENTRIES
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March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon.
I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty-nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.
30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:
These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind…I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.
This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again….and those who are of darkness shall fall in it’s Light…FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd United States Navy 24 December 1956
Editor’s note: One should not read too much into the Germanic connection. The swastika is an ancient religious and Buddhist symbol. Hitler was a black magician and arch enemy of mankind. Both he and Goehring relentlessly pursued occult secrets and artifacts. They even tried to go to ‘the center of the Earth.’ I guess they might of known something of import at psychic levels, if this account by Byrd is true.
There are many types of fields of energy interpenetrating this planet. There are many planes of existence. There are lower realms where demons and entities lie in wait for those who do not have the light to go to etheric realms after death or even at night for that matter. I suggest you ask your favorite angel or saint to take you up to etheric planes as you sleep.
Whose to say that there aren’t different types of civilizations inside the earth as well, Germanic or otherwise. Admiral Byrd could have had a predilection for Nordic myths or several embodiments in the Germanic regions, so his experience could have been seen through the prism of his consciousness.
I find it very interesting that this happened right around the time of the Roswell incident. So here you have Truman and others from the industrial military complex worried about extra-terrestrials and the threat they pose trying to decide what to do with Bryd’s fantastic tale. They put the lid on it just as they did with Roswell. They do not trust us with the truth and do not want us to have the truth.
As fantastic as Admiral Byrd’s tale is, it most be given credence as the master said, because of Byrd’s impeccable character; and this is just the sort of cover-up our government has perpetuated more and more on us in the last 60 years. Without the truth, without true prophecy, without the realization of the Divine nature within, the people cannot be set free and they will not be free of the descent of their own karma.
Is Our Earth Really Hollow?-6/15 by Gerry Forster, This is a fascinating piece discussing the subject from every perspective. Disparate views are brought in from all sorts of sources including, Bulwer-Lytton, Blavatsky, The Roerichs, Admiral Byrd and Buddhist theology regarding Shambhala. Editor
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1937 - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029162/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
LOST HORIZON
Screenplay
by Robert Riskin
based on the novel by James Hilton
Shooting Draft, 1937
Columbia Pictures
FADE IN:
Over the titles we see SUPERIMPOSED the snow-capped
mountains leading to Shangri-La.
CLOSE-UP of an impressive-looking book. The covers open
and the pages turn. The first page reads:
In these days of wars and rumors of wars - haven't you
ever dreamed of a place where there was peace and security,
where living was not a struggle but a lasting delight?
THE SECOND PAGE READS:
Of course you have. So has every man since Time began.
Always the same dream. Sometimes he calls it Utopia -
sometimes the Fountain of Youth - sometimes merely "that
little chicken farm."
THE THIRD PAGE READS:
One man had such a dream and saw it come true. He was Robert
Conway - England's "Man of the East" - soldier, diplomat,
public hero—
THE FOURTH PAGE READS:
Our story starts in the war-torn Chinese city of Baskul,
where Robert Conway has been sent to evacuate ninety white
people before they are butchered in a local revolution.
The fifth and final page reads:
Baskul - the night of March 10, 1935.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. BASKUL FLYING FIELD - NIGHT
1. LONG SHOT
The field is aflare with floodlights - on one side is an
office building - on the other are hangars. The whole field
is filled with Chinese refugees running around wildly. An
Army transport is in front of the office building, motors
going.
2. REVERSE SHOT
Showing in the distance, probably several miles away, the
effect of a burning city, which is Baskul. Over the shot
we hear the steady boom-boom of gunfire. In the f.g., we
see the silhouetted figures of Chinese running away from
Baskul and toward the Camera, their personal packs on their
backs.
MED. CLOSE SHOT
Toward office building. Conway comes out of the building,
followed by a small group of white people with frightened
faces. They have to fight their way through a horde of
milling Chinese.
4. MEDIUM SHOT
As Conway and group finally reach the plane where Conway
forces the white people in. In this he is aided by his
brother, George, a young and vigorous Englishman. The pilot
sticks his head out of the cockpit.
PILOT
Conway, we can't take more than
seven!
Conway pulls a passenger out and gives the pilot a signal
to start.
CONWAY
(to passenger)
All right. I'm sorry. There will
be another plane in a minute. All
right - go on.
5. LONG SHOT
Motors roar, and the plane starts to move, scattering those
of the Chinese who were unfortunately too close to the
ship. Conway and George rush back into the office building.
INT. LARGE OFFICE ROOM
6. FULL SHOT
There are about thirty white refugees, men, women and
several children. They all lift their panicky faces to
Conway and George as they enter. A barrage of questions
are flung at them.
AD-LIB
Are there any more planes? Do you
think the bandits will come here?
Please take my wife next, Mr.
Conway!
CONWAY
Wait, wait! Everybody, wait! There
are plenty of planes coming. Now
everybody have patience. Everything
will be all right.
He crosses to a back room.
GEORGE
You have nothing to worry about.
Leave everything to my brother.
INT. RADIO ROOM
7. MEDIUM SHOT
As Conway enters to speak to operator.
RADIO OPERATOR
Yes, sir - with seven passengers
aboard.
RADIO SPEAKER
Seven passengers? Good.
CONWAY
Get me Shanghai.
OPERATOR
I'm talking to them now, sir.
CONWAY
Hello? Hello?
RADIO SPEAKER
Hello. Hello.
CONWAY
(into mike)
Conway speaking. Is Colonel Marsh
there?
COLONEL'S VOICE
Right here, Conway. Go ahead.
8. CLOSE SHOT
As Conway continues into mike.
CONWAY
Colonel, I need more planes. I've
still about twenty people to get
out. Where are those planes you
promised us?
COLONEL'S VOICE
We sent everything we could find,
Conway.
CONWAY
They better get here soon or I
can't be responsible—
9. WIDER ANGLE
As George rushes in.
GEORGE
Bob! I think I hear motors!
CONWAY
(listening - then
into mike)
Colonel, wait a minute, they may
be here now!
(to George)
Say George, get down on that field
and guide those planes in when
they get here.
GEORGE
Yes.
He starts for the door.
CONWAY
And be sure that none of the natives
get in.
GEORGE
(exiting)
Yes.
CONWAY
Hello? Colonel?
COLONEL'S VOICE
Hello, Conway. Yes?
CONWAY
Thanks - and take care of that
liver of yours.
COLONEL'S VOICE
Oh, ho - my word!
INT. OFFICE ROOM
10. FULL SHOT
As Conway enters.
CONWAY
All right, get ready everybody.
The planes are here.
The people crowd around him pleading for priority.
CONWAY
One at a time. Children first.
Where are they? Come on now, and
stand over here.
A woman pushes some children forward.
CONWAY
Where's the mother?
PRIEST
(standing nearby)
They're orphans, Mr. Conway.
CONWAY
I see. All right.
(directing people
aside - pulling
out an old lady)
Well, you come - right over here -
and you, and you—
(looking off scene)
—come on—
OLD MAN
What about us, Mr. Conway?
CONWAY
Gentlemen, please wait your turn.
11. CLOSE SHOT
A girl slouched in a corner. We meet Gloria Stone, a surly,
wan-looking prostitute.
GLORIA
You'd better take some of those
squealing men with you first. They
might faint on you. I'll wait.
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
Something of a smile crosses his face.
CONWAY
Just as you say!
Just then, a terrific explosion is heard in the distance.
13. FULL SHOT
All the lights go out. Everybody starts screaming.
CONWAY
(sharply)
Whoa! Don't lose your heads now -
I'll see what it is.
He dashes out.
EXT. OFFICE BUILDING
CLOSE SHOT AT DOOR
Conway rushing out, meets George coming back.
GEORGE
The power house - they've blown it
up! The planes can't land without
lights.
CONWAY
(thinking fast)
Come on! We'll burn the hangar.
That will make light for them!
He grabs a lantern and dashes off.
15. MEDIUM SHOT
As they run through the screaming mob toward the hangar.
INTERIOR HANGAR
16. FULL SHOT
It is filled with Chinese refugees clinging to their
household goods. Conway and George enter. Conway speaks to
them in Chinese, ordering them out. Some hesitate, and
they have to push the terror-stricken waiting coolies out.
When they have all left, Conway opens the spigots of several
gasoline tanks, waits for the fuel to spill on the ground,
then tosses a lantern on the fuel, igniting a blaze. At
the same moment, he and George dash for the door.
EXTERIOR FIELD
17. LONG SHOT
Conway and George rush out of hangar. When they are at a
fairly safe distance, the building bursts into flames.
DISSOLVE TO:
18. LONG SHOT
Against a background of the burning hangar, a plane is
just leaving the ground, as another one is landing.
19. MEDIUM SHOT
Of Conway, signalling.
CONWAY
All right, go ahead!
(to George)
We go on to the next plane. Bring
out any people that are left.
GEORGE
Right, Bob.
REVERSE ANGLE - LONG SHOT
Shooting toward the burning city of Baskul in the distance.
We see the bandits coming, flashing bayonets, in pursuit
of screaming refugees.
21. MED. SHOT FRONT OF OFFICE BUILDING
Conway emerges, followed by Gloria, and an American,
Barnard. CAMERA FOLLOWS THEM to the ship just as the pilot,
Fenner, is climbing down from cockpit.
CONWAY
Hello, Fenner.
FENNER
(broad grin)
Hello, Conway. Having a little
trouble?
CONWAY
You never mind me. Get this gadget
off the ground.
George is pushing off Chinese.
GEORGE
Bob, these are all that are left.
CONWAY
(to George)
Come on! Quick! This way.
MED. SHOT AT PLANE
When Conway and others approach, George helps Gloria Stone
up, while Conway faces the mob, punching at those who try
to wedge their way forward. Finally one of them manages to
get his foot on the step, and Conway pushes him violently.
CLOSE SHOT - MAN
Who staggers back and falls, sprawling. As he hits the
ground, he yells:
MAN
You can't leave me here, you
blighter.[2] I'm a British subject!
We meet Alexander P. Lovett.
24. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway looks his surprise and lifts him off the ground.
CLOSE SHOT - A CHINAMAN
Glaring off toward Conway, picks up a board and starts
toward Conway.
26. MED. CLOSE SHOT ENTRANCE TO SHIP
George emerges in time to see the Chinese lift the board
and about to clout Conway on the head. George moves quickly,
puts out his left hand, wards off the blow and with his
right he punches the Chinese, who reels out of the scene.
GEORGE
Look out, Bob!
27. MEDIUM SHOT
A shadowy figure materializes in the cockpit, and clubs
Fenner from behind. He shoves Fenner aside and takes his
place.
28. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway pushes George up and starts to mount himself. He
looks off - and what he sees startles him.
CONWAY
(yells off)
All right, Fenner! Go ahead!
29. LONG SHOT
Of what Conway sees. Several trucks loaded with bandits -
in makeshift uniforms - come tearing up the road - come to
a stop. Some fire toward plane - others are setting up
machine guns. Droves of refugees scramble to cover.
INT. PLANE
30. FULL SHOT
Already present are Barnard, an American; Gloria Stone,
the prostitute; and Lovett, whom we saw dressed as a
Chinese. Conway slams the door shut - looks off - then
cries:
CONWAY
Get down on the floor, everybody.
Go ahead, Fenner!
They all fall on their faces.
GEORGE
Fenner, let's go!
MED. CLOSE SHOT
Of the new pilot setting the controls and lifting the plane
into flight.
EXT. FIELD
32. LONG SHOT
As the plane swings around - taxies crazily - and leaves
the ground, accompanied by gunfire of the bandits.
INT. PLANE
33. FULL SHOT
The occupants are still on the floor. Conway rises and
glances out of a window, warily.
CONWAY
(mumbling)
Well, I guess we're out of range.
(to others)
Everybody all right?
There are murmurs of "Yes" - "I'm all right" - as they
raise themselves.
GEORGE
Whew! That was close.
34. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway starts for the back seat and suddenly sees Lovett.
CONWAY
Where did you come from?
LOVETT
I'm Alexander P. Lovett, sir.
CONWAY
Why aren't you registered through
our office?
GEORGE
(chiming in)
It would serve you right if you
were left behind.
LOVETT
(high-pitched voice)
How could I know that a war was
going to break out right over my
head!
(a grave injustice)
Right over my head. Oh, my word! I
tell you, those Chinese were
pouncing on me from every direction.
I had to get into these ridiculous
clothes in order to escape.
CONWAY
Where were you hiding?
LOVETT
Hiding? Oh, no. Hunting - I was in
the interior - hunting fossils.
This morning I looked up suddenly—
CONWAY
I know - and a war broke out right
over your head.
GEORGE
The next time you're in wild country
like this, keep in touch with the
British Consul.
CONWAY
Aha - very good, Freshie.[3] Very
good. You'd better put his name on
the list and make out a report
later.
He proceeds to the back seat. Barnard, the American, who
is in front of Lovett, leans over toward him.
MED. CLOSE SHOT - THE TWO
Barnard and Lovett.
BARNARD
I beg your pardon, brother. What
did you say you were hunting?
LOVETT
Fossils.
BARNARD
Fossils, huh?
LOVETT
I'm a paleontologist.
BARNARD
(blankly)
A what?
LOVETT
A paleontologist.
BARNARD
Oh, I see.
Lovett produces a small box clutched under his arm.
LOVETT
I have here a discovery that will
startle the world. It's the
vertebrae from the lumbar of a
Megatherium,[4] found in Asia.
BARNARD
Well, what do you know about that!
LOVETT
Found in Asia!
BARNARD
Uh-huh.
LOVETT
When I get home I shall probably
be knighted for it.
BARNARD
Knighted! You don't say. Do you
mind if I take a look at it?
LOVETT
(proudly)
Not at all.
He lifts the lid and Barnard peeks inside.
INSERT: OF BOX
Wrapped carefully in absorbent cotton is something that
resembles a dry chicken bone.
BACK TO SCENE:
Barnard reaches for the box, but Lovett pulls it away from
him.
BARNARD
Sorry.
LOVETT
This is the only thing I was able
to save when those heathens
surrounded me.
BARNARD
(he is allowed to
take it out and
examine it -
unimpressed)
Uh-huh.
LOVETT
You see, from this vertebrae I
shall be able to reconstruct the
entire skeleton.
BARNARD
Wait a minute, you expect to be
knighted for finding that soupbone?
LOVETT
It was the vertebrae of a
Megatherium - found in Asia.
BARNARD
Yeah, I remember. You said that
before.
LOVETT
Sir Henry Derwent was knighted,
and he never got beyond the mesozoic
era.
Barnard stares at Lovett unbelievingly.
BARNARD
Ah, poor fellow.
Lovett glares at him resentfully, and snaps the lid shut
on his box.
LOVETT
Yes, it just shows—
(taking offense)
I don't know why I'm talking to
you. I don't know you. Who are
you?
BARNARD
(turns away)
Okay, brother.
LOVETT
Don't call me brother.
BARNARD
Okay, sister.
(chuckles to himself)
No offense. No offense!
36. CLOSE SHOT - GLORIA AND BARNARD
Gloria sits slumped in her seat, looking glumly out. Barnard
glances at her curiously. Finally he makes a friendly
overture.
BARNARD
Cigarette?
Gloria turns her head, surveys Barnard coldly, and without
responding, turns back.
BARNARD
I say, will you have a cigarette?
GLORIA
No.
BARNARD
(unabashed)
Say, you're an American, aren't
you?
GLORIA
(irascibly)
Say, listen - will you go and annoy
the rest of your playmates? Let me
alone!
He shrugs his shoulders and slides back into his seat.
37. FULL SHOT
All is silent for a moment. Conway is writing on a small
pad - which he rests on an uplifted knee. George is
rummaging through a closet - rear of the cabin.
38. MED. SHOT - GEORGE AND CONWAY
Conway still writes, undisturbed. George reaches into the
closet and emerges with a bottle of whiskey. His face lights
up.
GEORGE
(holds up bottle)
Hello! Look what I found!
He crosses to Conway.
GEORGE
Just what I needed too.
CONWAY
(looks up - smiling)
You?
GEORGE
Just this once, Bob. I feel like
celebrating. Just think of it, Bob -
a cruiser sent to Shanghai just to
take you back to England. You know
what it means.
(hands him cup)
Here you are. Don't bother about
those cables now. I want you to
drink with me.
(holds his cup up)
Gentlemen, I give you Robert Conway -
England's new Foreign Secretary.
Conway watches him, amused. George gulps down his drink.
CONWAY
(after a slight
hesitation - downing
his drink)
Hurray!
GEORGE
How I'm going to bask in reflected
glory!
(dreamily)
People are going to point to me
and say, "There goes George Conway -
brother of the Foreign Secretary."
CONWAY
Don't talk nonsense. Give me the
bottle.
Conway takes the bottle from him and pours himself a second
drink.
GEORGE
That's why they're sending for
you, Bob. With all these foreign
entanglements, it was bound to
happen. They need you.
Conway, with a poured drink in hand, laughs.
GEORGE
All right, you can laugh if you
want to. But who else can they
get? Who else is there in all of
England half the fighter, half the
diplomat, who has half your
knowledge of the foreign situation?
They can't stop you now, Bob.
-
Conway moodily pours himself a third. He downs the drink
as we
DISSOLVE TO:
INT. PLANE
CLOSE SHOT OF CONWAY
We find Conway, asleep in his seat, his head on his hands.
George approaches and tenderly spreads a jacket over his
shoulders. Conway stirs, opens an eye.
CONWAY
(drunkenly)
Hello, Freshie. Did you make that
report out yet?
GEORGE
Yes, Bob.
CONWAY
Did you say we saved ninety white
people?
GEORGE
Yes.
CONWAY
Hurray for us. Did you say that we
left ten thousand natives down
there to be annihilated? No, you
wouldn't say that. They don't count.
GEORGE
You'd better try to get some sleep,
Bob.
CONWAY
Just you wait until I'm Foreign
Secretary. Can't you just see me,
Freshie, with all those other
shrewd, little Foreign Secretaries?
(confidentially -
screws up face)
You see, the trick is to see who
can out-talk the other. Everybody
wants something for nothing, and
if you can't get it with smooth
talk, you send an army in. I'm
going to fool them, Freshie. I'm
not going to have an army. I'm
going to disband mine. I'm going
to sink my battleships - I'm going
to destroy every piece of warcraft.
Then when the enemy approaches
we'll say, "Come in, gentlemen -
what can we do for you?" So then
the poor enemy soldiers will stop
and think. And what will they think,
Freshie? They'll think to themselves -
"Something's wrong here. We've
been duped. This is not according
to form. These people seem to be
quite friendly, and why should we
shoot them?" Then they'll lay down
their arms. You see how simple the
whole thing is? Centuries of
tradition kicked right in the pants—
(pause - drily)
—and I'll be slapped straight into
the nearest insane asylum.
He starts to pour himself another drink.
GEORGE
You'd better not drink any more,
Bob. You're not talking sense.
Conway downs the drink, and then chuckles cynically.
CONWAY
Don't worry, George. Nothing's
going to happen. I'll fall right
into line. I'll be the good little
boy that everybody wants me to be.
I'll be the best little Foreign
Secretary we ever had, just because
I haven't the nerve to be anything
else.
GEORGE
Do try to sleep, Bob.
CONWAY
Huh? Oh, sure, Freshie. Good thing,
sleep.
He grunts and squirms. George tucks him in.
CONWAY
Did you ever notice the sunrise in
China, George? Ah, you should.
It's beautiful.
He gets settled. George relaxes and, leaning back, shuts
his eyes.
LONG SHOT OF CABIN
It is quiet. All are asleep. CAMERA MOVES FORWARD SLOWLY
until it reaches the glass panel leading to the cockpit.
The pilot's face turns. Instead of Fenner we see a strange,
Mongolian face - with sharp, piercing eyes. A half-smile
plays across his mouth.
EXT. SHOT OF PLANE
LONG SHOT OF PLANE
Flying at high speed against a moonlit sky. We stay on the
shot until it vanishes, a mere speck, over the horizon.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. SHOT - DAWN
42. LONG SHOT
The morning sun peeks over a mountain top. From the same
direction, as if arriving with the sun, the ship looms up,
and comes roaring toward us.
INT. PLANE
43. FULL SHOT
All are asleep except Lovett, who fidgets on his seat.
Then Barnard stirs - opens his eyes - and stretches. As he
does so, he sees that Lovett is awake.
BARNARD
Good morning, Lovey.
LOVETT
I beg your pardon.
BARNARD
I say, good morning, Lovey.
LOVETT
Good morning—
(CATCHES HIMSELF)
Look here, young man.
BARNARD
Eh?
LOVETT
I didn't care for 'sister' last
night, and I don't like 'Lovey'
this morning. My name is Lovett -
Alexander, P.
BARNARD
I see.
LOVETT
I see.
BARNARD
Well, it's a good morning, anyway.
LOVETT
I'm never conversational before I
coffee.
Barnard glances out of the window, looks around outside
thoughtfully.
BARNARD
Wait a minute. Is it a good morning?
Say, we're supposed to be traveling
east, aren't we?
LOVETT
Why, of course. Yes.
BARNARD
Well, it looks to me as if we're
traveling west.
LOVETT
That's ridiculous.
BARNARD
Is it?
LOVETT
It certainly is.
BARNARD
Look here—
LOVETT
Any child knows how to tell
direction. Any child. I don't care
where the child is - in the air,
on the earth, or in the sea. If
you face the rising sun, your right
hand is the north, and your left
hand is the south—
BARNARD
I always get it twisted because
I'm left-handed.
LOVETT
Oh, really?
BARNARD
Yes.
LOVETT
Well, you just reverse it. Your
left hand is—
(tries to explain -
gets confused and
irritated)
What difference does it make what
'hand' you are? The north is the
north!
BARNARD
Uh-huh. All I know is - the sun
rises in the east, and we're going
away from it.
LOVETT
Now you're irritating and absurd!
CLOSE SHOT - LOVETT
As he sulks by himself, looks around - locates the sun in
back of him - smiles - satisfied he's right, throws a
condescending glance over at Barnard - then suddenly his
face clouds - the whole thing dawns on him.
LOVETT
(jumps up shrieking)
Oh, my word - of course - yes.
Boy! Boy, we're traveling in the
wrong direction! Wake up! We're
going in the wrong direction!
45. FULL SHOT
Conway is still asleep.
GEORGE
(concerned for Conway)
Couldn't you arrange to make a
little less noise?
LOVETT
I tell you, we're going west, and
Shanghai is east of here!
GEORGE
Be quiet! Fenner's the best pilot
in China. He knows what he's doing.
LOVETT
(not quite reassured)
It's Fenner.
BARNARD
He might have lost his way.
LOVETT
Of course. That's what I told them
last night. You can't expect a man
to sail around in the dark.[5]
During this George has been looking
around - he rises.
GEORGE
All right, all right. Calm yourself.
I'll talk to Fenner.
He crosses to panel leading to cockpit, CAMERA FOLLOWING
HIM. When he gets there he knocks on the window.
GEORGE
Fenner! I - I say—
George knocks again. From the cockpit side - the small
shade suddenly snaps up - and George finds himself staring
into the face of the mysterious pilot. He takes an
instinctive step backward. The pilot turns his head. CAMERA
ANGLE WIDENS as George keeps backing up until he gets to
Conway. George turns to Conway and shakes his shoulder.
GEORGE
Bob! Bob!
Conway stirs in his sleep, slowly opens his eyes, yawns
and stretches. Throughout it, George speaks.
GEORGE
Wake up! Something's happened! It
isn't Fenner in the cockpit!
Conway looks at him, glances off toward the others, and
back at George.
CONWAY
(dismissing him
with a gesture)
Oh, stop it!
GEORGE
The bloke up there looks a Chinese,
or a Mongolian, or something.
BARNARD
We're nowhere near Shanghai. We're
going in the opposite direction.
This interests Conway and he looks out of the window.
CONWAY
We're over the desert. That's funny.
Then rising, he crosses to cockpit. The others watch him
expectantly.
46. GROUP SHOT - AROUND COCKPIT
Conway pounds on the panel. The face of the pilot appears
in sight. Conway tries to ask him something in Chinese.
The pilot glares at them for a second, then a gun is shoved
out at them. Instinctively they back away.
CONWAY
Charming chap.
BARNARD
(not being funny)
Nice puss to meet in a dark alley.
The ship lurches - and they are thrown off balance. The
panel has been snapped shut.
CONWAY
Well, that's that, I guess.
BARNARD
Wonder what's happened to Fenner.
LOVETT
Yes. And who is he ? How'd he get
there?
BARNARD
Do you suppose we stopped someplace
during the night and changed pilots?
CONWAY
No. That's not possible! If we had
landed, we all would have been
awakened.
LOVETT
Of course. We never left the air.
I know - I didn't sleep the whole
night long.
CONWAY
(with finality)
That fellow got on at Baskul.
LOVETT
What's he doing? Where's he taking
us? He may be a maniac for all we
know.
George, who has disappeared during the above, now returns,
with a monkey wrench in his hand. Conway stops him.
CONWAY
George, what are you going to do?
GEORGE
I'm going to drag him out and force
him to tell us what his game is.
LOVETT
Good.
CONWAY
What if he refuses?
LOVETT
We'll smash his face in. That's
what we'll do.
CONWAY
Brilliant!
(a sweeping gesture)
Can anyone here fly a plane?
There is a general chorus of "no—not I," etc.
CONWAY
(takes wrench from
George's hand)
Well, George, that's no good.
Conway throws the monkey wrench into a corner.
CONWAY
I guess we're in for it.
LOVETT
In for what?
CONWAY
I don't know. He must have had
some purpose in taking the plane
away from Fenner.
(starts for his
seat)
When he lands, we'll find out.
LOVETT
You mean to tell me you're not
going to do anything until we land?
CONWAY
What do you suggest?
LOVETT
Why, you - you— Look here - he may
dash us to pieces!
CONWAY
It might afford you a great deal
of relief.
(sitting)
Now gentlemen, I'm going back to
sleep. Oh, and I was having such a
peaceful dream.
(curling up)
As soon as he lands, let me know.
He shuts his eyes and leans back. The others watch him for
a second - and wander back to their seats.
47. CLOSE SHOT - GLORIA AND BARNARD
Gloria is apparently indifferent to their predicament. As
Barnard watches her, a little bitter smile plays around
her mouth.
CLOSE SHOT - GEORGE
He stares out of the window and is suddenly startled.
EXT. SHOT OF PLANE
49. LONG SHOT
Of the plane with its nose turned downward in a sharp
descent.
INT. CABIN OF PLANE
50. MEDIUM SHOT
George is on his feet.
GEORGE
(excited)
We're heading down! We're going to
land!
Everyone looks out. George rushes to Conway and nudges
him.
GEORGE
(breathlessly)
Bob, we're landing!
(pointing out)
Bob, we're coming to a village!
Conway sits up and looks out.
EXT. SHOT OF PLANE
-
51. MEDIUM SHOT
Plane starting toward ground. All we can see are mountain
tops.
INT. PLANE
52. MEDIUM SHOT
They all stare out of the windows. Conway peers intently.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. SHOT FROM AIRPLANE
53. LONG SHOT
From angle in cabin of plane. Through the window, directly
below we see a large open space at the foot of the hills.
The plane is headed for it.
54. LONG SHOT
We see a swarm of strange-looking natives, scantily attired,
but bearing bayonets, running toward the plane.
INT. PLANE
MEDIUM CLOSE SHOT
Of George and Conway, as the ship hits the ground, bouncing
and swaying perilously.
EXT. MOUNTAINOUS COUNTRY
56. MEDIUM SHOT
As the plane taxies across the uninhabited space.
INTERIOR PLANE
57. MED. CLOSE SHOT AT DOOR
Conway and George ready to get out. As Conway turns to
open the door, he looks off and is startled by something
he sees. George follows his gaze, and a bewildered
expression comes into his eyes, too.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
58. LONG SHOT
Shooting through door. The strange-looking natives have
surrounded the plane and are closing in.
INTERIOR PLANE
59. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway and George both instinctively wheel around toward
the opposite side. But from that direction too, a horde of
natives dash toward them. Conway hesitates a second, and
like a flash springs for the door. But he stops again, as
he opens the door.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
60. MEDIUM SHOT
To include door of plane. Conway finds himself staring
into the threatening mouths of half a dozen rifles, and
quickly shuts the door.
GEORGE
What are these people?
CONWAY
I don't know. I can't get the
dialect.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
61. MEDIUM SHOT THROUGH WINDOW
We see the pilot and several natives in single file as
they come toward the plane, buckets in hand. In b.g., one
of them lowers a bucket into a well in the ground.
GEORGE
Look - they're loading up with
gasoline.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
62. SEVERAL SHOTS
The gas is being loaded. Natives on horseback dash back
and forth shouting and signalling. Camels can be glimpsed
among the horses. There is tremendous disorder and
commotion.
63. LONG SHOT
The ship leaves the ground. The natives stand around,
curiously watching.
INTERIOR PLANE
64. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway is pacing. The occupants sit by their open windows.
CONWAY
Imagine having all that fuel there,
waiting for us!
(he sits down)
George, something tells me our
journey is just beginning.
LOVETT
Where are we going? Huh?
BARNARD
(pointing)
If you ask me, we're heading
straight for those mountains.
EXTERIOR SHOT
65. LONG SHOT
We see the plane against the sky. In the b.g., there is
nothing but snow-covered mountains.
DISSOLVE TO:
INSERT: A sign reading "Shanghai Municipal Airport."
INT. AIRPORT
MEDIUM CLOSE SHOT
A Chinese officer is on the phone.
CHINESE OFFICER
A Douglas plane from Baskul with
Conway and four others aboard are
missing. Unreported between here
and Baskul.
QUICK SHOTS OF:
A switchboard operator besieged by calls.
A telegraph secretary furiously typing.
Newspapers being run off a press.
INT. FOREIGN OFFICE
67. CLOSE SHOT
Of a high official of the British Foreign Office.
HIGH OFFICIAL
(holding forth to
his secretary)
Make it very emphatic that His
Majesty's Government will hold the
Chinese government and all Chinese
governors of Chinese provinces
responsible for the complete safety
of Robert Conway.
THE CAMERA PULLS BACK to reveal other foreign department
officials and functionaries arriving in the midst of his
speech.
HIGH OFFICIAL
Good morning, gentlemen.
FUNCTIONARIES
(ad-libbing)
Good morning, etc.
OFFICIAL
No news yet, sir?
HIGH OFFICIAL
It's fantastic. The plane couldn't
disappear into thin air.
(turning to secretary
of the group)
And cable Lord Gainsford at
Shanghai. Leave no stone unturned
to find Conway.
(turning back to
foreign officials)
And Robertson?
ROBERTSON
Yes, sir?
HIGH OFFICIAL
Better get a postponement of the
Far East conference. We can't afford
to meet those nations without
Conway.
INT. PLANE
68. MED. SHOT
The occupants are hunched up in the corner of their seats.
What little clothes they have, and what few blankets, are
bundled around them. All the windows are shut.
INSERT: ALTOMETER
Registering a height of 10,000 feet.
69. FULL SHOT
There is silence for a moment before Barnard speaks.
BARNARD
It can't be kidnapping. They
wouldn't be taking us so far on
such a dangerous trip. No sense to
it.
No one responds to his speculation and he lapses into
silence.
70. MED. SHOT
To include George, Conway and Lovett.
GEORGE
What do you make of it, Bob? You
must have some idea?
Conway shrugs.
CONWAY
Huh? I give it up. But this not
knowing where you're going is
exciting anyway.
LOVETT
Well, Mr. Conway, for a man who is
supposed to be a leader, your do-
nothing attitude is very
disappointing.
GEORGE
What do you want him to do?
LOVETT
I don't know. I'm a paleontologist,
not a Foreign Secretary.
Lovett slips back into his corner and pulls his coat over
his face.
INSERT: OF ALTOMETER
Registering above 10,000 feet. We STAY on it as it climbs
and climbs to 15,000 feet.
EXT. MOUNTAINOUS COUNTRY
71. SHOWING THE PLANE HIGH OVER MOUNTAIN PEAKS.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. SHOT OF PLANE - NIGHT
72. LONG SHOT
Against a moonlit sky, we see a lone speck - the plane as
it flies high above the mountains. It appears to be
traveling through endless space.
INT. PLANE
73. MED. SHOT
The atmosphere is pervaded with a feeling of utter futility.
The occupants are still slumped in the corners of their
seats.
74. CLOSE SHOT - GLORIA AND BARNARD
Gloria has a fit of coughing. She grabs her throat - as
she gasps for breath. Barnard, himself feeble and exhausted,
glances over at her sympathetically.
75. WIDER SHOT
Including Lovett, George, and Conway. Lovett sits with his
chin helplessly on his chest, his mouth ludicrously open,
his eyes popping. George, his teeth clenched, struggles
against a desire to sob. Conway looks at him feelingly.
76. CLOSE SHOT - GEORGE AND CONWAY
Conway's eyes never leave George, who finally unable to
control himself, emits a sob - and rather ashamed, slaps
his hand over his mouth and turns away.
CONWAY
Oh George, come on.
GEORGE
(suddenly - tensely)
It's not knowing that's so awful,
Bob. Not knowing where you're going,
or why, or what's waiting when you
get there.
George, with an effort, stifles another outbreak.
CONWAY
We got above that storm.
INSERT: OF ALTOMETER
At 20,000 feet - and while we stay on it - keeps mounting.
INTERIOR CABIN
77. FULL SHOT
Deathly silence. Gloria has her hands to her ears, rocking
in pain. Suddenly her voice rents the air.
GLORIA
Oh! Oh! I can't stand it any longer!
She jumps up and moves about frantically.
GLORIA
(screaming)
Take us down! I can't stand this
pain any longer! Let me out of
here I say! I can't stand it any
longer!
She runs to one of the ship's doors and pounds on it with
her fist, then tries to shove it open. A blast of frigid
air throws her back. George and Conway manage to pry her
off and pull her away. Sobbing pitifully, she lets Conway
steer her back to her seat, where she bundles up in
torturous pain. For a moment nothing is heard but her
stifled moans.
BARNARD
Take it easy, sister.
Unexpectedly the cockpit panel opens, and the pilot tosses
something out in Gloria's direction.
CONWAY
(grabbing for it)
It's oxygen!
(he rigs it up for
her)
Now take it with your teeth. That's
right - bite.
GLORIA
(struggling)
Let me alone.
CONWAY
Now, now. Come on now. That's right.
Now, bite.
She resumes her sobbing quietly.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. PLANE
78. LONG SHOT
Of the plane at twilight, fading into deepest night.
INT. PLANE
79. FULL SHOT
Of the cabin at night, everyone frozen in despair. All of
a sudden there is a loud, sputtering noise from the outside.
They all react - listen for a moment - until the noise
dies completely. Now nothing is heard - not even the motor.
AD-LIB
(breaking the silence)
What's that! What's happening?
CONWAY
(immediately on his
feet)
He must have run out of fuel.
BARNARD
Look! Look down there!
EXT. PLANE
-
80. LONG SHOT
The plane gradually tilting downward.
INT. PLANE
81. FULL SHOT
The ship sways several seconds and finally rights itself.
EXT. PLANE
82. LONG SHOT
Of what they see from plane. Vast snow-covered mountain
peaks, with no sign of a stretch big enough to land.
83. LONG SHOT
The plane sways perilously in the cross wind.
INTERIOR PLANE
84. MEDIUM SHOT
They are all silent - waiting prayerfully. Conway turns to
the others - his voice electric with authority.
CONWAY
George - everybody - better get
back towards the tail! He may nose
her over. Into the corner, quick!
George - cushions, blankets!
They obey his command.
EXTERIOR SHOT OF PLANE
85. LONG SHOT
We see the plane nearing the ground, sailing over some
smaller hills.
INTERIOR PLANE
86. MED. CLOSE SHOT
With Conway in front of them, the others are crouching in
the corner. There are ad-libs of fearful assurances while
they hand around cushions and blankets.
EXTERIOR SHOT OF PLANE
87. LONG SHOT
Just as the ship hits the ground for the first time.
INTERIOR PLANE
88. MED. CLOSE SHOT
The occupants brace themselves for the jolt. The ship hits
and bounces several times and finally stops. Its nose seems
to bury itself in the ground. The people are lifted high
into the air where they remain, suspended for a few seconds,
terror-stricken. Then, accompanied by grinding, crackling
sounds, the ship flops back and falls on its side. For a
moment there is stark silence - while the people do not
stir. A look of relief spreads over their faces.
CONWAY
Everybody all right?
The passengers offer dazed replies: "Okay - yeah - I think
so." Meanwhile, Conway has opened the door. A swirling
mass of snow greets them, so that they have to force their
way out.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
89. MEDIUM SHOT
George and Conway fight their way down from the plane in
the blinding snow. George quickly runs around to the other
side. Conway crosses to the cockpit, and clambers aboard.
CLOSE SHOT IN THE COCKPIT
Lit only by the dashboard light. Conway sticks his head in
from the outside. His eyes which have been flashing with
determination suddenly sober. CAMERA PANS OVER to pilot,
who is slumped over, his chin resting on his chest.
MEDIUM CLOSE SHOT
George pops into view on the opposite side, just as Conway
has found the pilot's gun beside him on the seat.
GEORGE
What is it? Has he fainted?
CONWAY
It looks like it.
(sniffing)
Smell those fumes?
Conway hops up beside the pilot. George follows suit.
CONWAY
(handing gun to
George)
Here George, take the gun. Hold
the lights. I'm going to search
him before he comes to.
(while searching)
We might find something interesting.
(finds something)
Hello - what's this? A map!
(hands it to George)
He resumes his search
enthusiastically.
Suddenly he stops. The utter limpness of the pilot's body
gives him pause. He lifts up his chin, stares into his
face - pulls up his eyelid and then places a hand over his
heart. He turns slowly toward George, who has been watching
his brother intently.
CONWAY
He's dead.
GEORGE
Dead?
George stares unbelievingly.
CONWAY
It must have happened the moment
he hit the ground.
(a pause)
Let's take a look at this map.
Conway holds the map under the dashboard light. He studies
it painstakingly, and his tense expression changes to one
of deep concern. George's eyes are glued on him.
GEORGE
What is it?
CONWAY
See that spot?
GEORGE
Yes.
CONWAY
That's where we were this morning.
He had it marked. Right on the
border of Tibet. Here's where
civilization ends. We must be a
thousand miles beyond it - just a
blank on the map.
GEORGE
(afraid to ask)
What's it mean?
CONWAY
It means we're in unexplored country -
country nobody ever reached.
George stares at him, wide-eyed, the gravity of their
situation slowly penetrating his terrorized mind. Conway's
thoughts are interrupted by a knock on the panel, and he
looks up.
92. MED. CLOSE SHOT THROUGH GLASS PANEL
We see the faces of Barnard and the others. We hear their
voices inquiring - "Hey, Conway, what's happening?" -
"What's up?" - "Where are we?" - "What'd you find out?"
93. CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY AND GEORGE
Conway turns to George.
CONWAY
George, our chances of getting out
of this are pretty slim. But it's
up to us.
(a nod toward cabin)
We can't have three hysterical
people on our hands.
He enters the cabin through the cockpit.
INT. CABIN OF PLANE
94. MEDIUM SHOT
As Conway enters, he is met by a volley of questions.
AD-LIB
What do you say? What'd you find
out?
CONWAY
(interrupting -
cheerily)
Everything's all right. The pilot
won't trouble us any more. He's -
he's dead.
This is met by a series of exclamations.
AD-LIB
Dead? How did it happen?
CONWAY
Probably a heart attack.
BARNARD
What are we going to do?
CONWAY
Well, there's nothing we can do
until the morning.
95. CLOSE SHOT
Taking in George as he enters from cockpit. His terror-
stricken eyes look dully before him. He stops in the
doorway.
CONWAY
The storm will probably die down
by then. My suggestion is that we
better all try and get a good
night's rest.
96. MEDIUM SHOT
Over the shoulders of Gloria, Barnard and Lovett as they
face Conway, who sits down.
GEORGE
(fiercely)
Why don't you tell them the truth?
97. FULL SHOT
They all wheel around and face George.
GEORGE
Why don't you tell them we're a
million miles from civilization,
without a chance of getting out of
here alive? It's slow starvation -
that's what it is. It's a slow,
horrible death!
When the significance of this outburst finally sinks into
the chaotic minds of his listeners, they turn to Conway
hopefully, certain he will refute it. But Conway looks
beyond them at George. From his noncommittal silence, they
realize that George's statement is the truth. They slip
into their seats. The place is heavy with a fatalistic
silence. George slowly crosses to his seat near Conway,
avoiding his accusing eyes. Suddenly the air is rent with
harsh, bitter laughter from Gloria. They all look up.
GLORIA
Well, that's perfect! Just perfect!
What a kick I'm going to get out
of this!
She emits another outburst of semi-hysterical laughter.
CLOSE SHOT - GROUP
Favoring Gloria. The bitterness of a lifetime in her voice.
GLORIA
(grimly satisfied)
A year ago a doctor gave me six
months to live. That was a year
ago! I'm already six months to the
good. I'm on velvet. I haven't got
a thing to lose—
(SEMI-HYSTERICAL)
But you! - you, the noble animals
of the human race, what a kick I'm
going to get out of watching you
squirm for a change.
(her voice cracks
completely)
What a kick!
She flops into her seat and buries her head in her hands.
For quite a while all we hear are her stifled sobs.
99. CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY AND GEORGE
George throws sidelong glances at his brother, feeling his
guilt.
100. FULL SHOT
Shooting from front of plane, taking in entire cabin. The
only sound that comes in on the tragic quiet is the low
moaning of the wind outside. A feeling of doom has descended
upon the five people.
FADE OUT:
FADE IN:
101. LONG SHOT
Shooting toward the mountains which seem to imprison the
valley below. The snowstorm, treacherous in its fury, seems
to threaten the valley with complete obliteration.
102. MEDIUM SHOT
Of the plane, tilted over on its side. It is fully covered
with snow. CAMERA PANS UP TO LOVETT AND BARNARD, shivering
in their blankets as they pace worriedly.
INTERIOR OF PLANE
103. MEDIUM SHOT
George and Conway are missing. Lovett turns from the window.
LOVETT
They've been gone for three hours.
The others appear disinterested in this observation.
LOVETT
Left us here to rot. That's what
they've done. Heroes of the
newspapers!
BARNARD
All right, all right. Keep quiet.
Lovett sees something through the window.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
104. MEDIUM SHOT - THROUGH WINDOW OF PLANE
George and Conway are seen walking briskly toward the plane,
their few clothes a scant protection against the biting
wind.
INTERIOR PLANE
105. FULL SHOT
LOVETT
Here they come!
The others quickly glance up, just as Conway and George
clamber aboard. Conway has a serious mien, but George is
full of vigor and enthusiasm.
GEORGE
Hello, everybody.
He holds out his hat which he has been carrying, bottom
side up.
GEORGE
Well, we found some food.
Barnard and Lovett rush to him.
GEORGE
No chance of our starving now.
When they see the contents of his hat, their faces fall.
LOVETT
What is it?
GEORGE
Mountain grass. It's good, too.
Here, have some. I've read of people
lasting thirty days on this stuff.
They grab handfuls. He goes on:
GEORGE
Listen, my brother and I have worked
out a plan. If we use our heads,
we should be able to keep alive
for weeks, until he gets back.
LOVETT & BARNARD
Gets back? Where's he going?
GEORGE
He doesn't know. But he's starting
out right away in the direction of
India. Sooner or later he's bound
to run into somebody - a tribe or
something.
BARNARD
Yeah?
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
Throughout the previous scene he has been busily occupied
making preparations. Out of the baggage hold he has brought
some blankets and rope and has been wrapping his feet in
them. As George speaks, he looks up and smiles.
GEORGE
Now here's the idea. We found a
cave over by that small hill. After
we bury the pilot, we're moving
in. We can have a fire there. I
shouldn't be surprised to see Bob
back within a week.
Conway's smile dies on his face. We get a feeling he is
attempting a futile journey, and is fully aware of it. He
resumes the roping of his feet - his movements mechanical.
MED. CLOSE SHOT - GROUP
Barnard and Lovett all attention as George speaks. Gloria,
off to one side, has her eyes peeled on Conway intently.
108. CLOSE SHOT - GLORIA AND CONWAY
GLORIA
You haven't got a Chinaman's chance
of getting out of this country
alive, and you know it.
Conway stares at her blankly.
BARNARD
Cave, eh? Where?
GEORGE
(pointing)
Over by that hill.
Barnard peers out the plane window.
BARNARD
Hey - look!
GEORGE
Look, Bob!
109. FULL SHOT
They all look up and glance out.
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
110. LONG SHOT THROUGH WINDOW
From their angle. In the distance, just appearing over the
top of a hill, we see a caravan of natives approaching.
They are not close enough to distinguish who or what they
are, but that they are human beings is apparent.
INTERIOR PLANE
-
111. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway takes in the unbelievable sight. We hear the exultant
exclamations of the others. Barnard and Lovett start out
of the plane.
LOVETT
(looking around)
Where are they? Do you see them?
BARNARD
Yes!
LOVETT
Do you think they're cannibals?
EXTERIOR OF PLANE
112. MEDIUM SHOT
Where George, Lovett and Barnard wait, a trifle awe-
stricken. Conway joins them. Gloria has stayed inside.
MED. LONG SHOT
The approach of the caravan from the viewpoint of the group.
It comprises some twenty Tibetans, attired in sheepskins,
fur, hats and boots. Somewhere in the middle of the single
file is Chang, an elderly Chinese. Chang steps forward as
their leader.
MED. SHOT (MOVING)
As Conway leaves his group and meets the oncoming party.
He approaches Chang and bowing courteously, greets him in
Chinese. Chang turns his head slowly and speaks in perfect
Oxfordian English.
CHANG
I am from a nearby Lamasery.
(holding out his
hand)
My name is Chang.
115. MEDIUM SHOT
George, Barnard and Lovett.
GEORGE
Why, he's speaking English.
LOVETT
English!
CONWAY
(shaking hands)
And mine's Conway.
CHANG
How do you do?
CONWAY
You've no idea, sir, how unexpected
and very welcome you are. My friends
and I - and the lady in the plane -
left Baskul night before last for
Shanghai, but we suddenly found
ourselves traveling in the opposite
direction—
LOVETT
At the mercy of a mad pilot.
CONWAY
We'd be eternally grateful if you—
CHANG
(interrupting)
Where is your mad pilot?
CONWAY
He must have had a heart attack,
or perhaps the fumes. When the
plane landed he was dead.
GEORGE
We were just going to bury him
when you came along.
CHANG
(preoccupied)
Pardon me—
Chang turns to some of his men and issues an order in a
foreign tongue, obviously instructions to take care of the
pilot.
CONWAY
(when Chang is
through)
So, if you will be good enough to
direct us to your Lamasery—
MED. CLOSE SHOT - GROUP
Favoring Chang.
CHANG
I shall consider it an honor to
accompany you and your friends.
He issues a command to his men and turns to Conway.
CHANG
You will need suitable clothes for
the journey. It is not particularly
far, but quite difficult.
CONWAY
Thank you.
Several men have hopped into the scene while he has been
speaking. They come forward with boots - sheepskins - fur
caps, etc. As they start to get into these new clothes:
DISSOLVE TO:
117. LONG SHOT
As the caravan starts its journey back up the hill. All
five people are now attired in their newly acquired outfit.
SERIES OF SHOTS
Showing the party on various stages of what looks like a
humanly impossible journey. We see them first climbing -
then across long vastnesses of flat land. Each succeeding
time we see them, their feet drag more wearily. Their
breathing becomes more difficult. These pictures finally
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. NARROW TABLELAND
MED. LONG SHOT
Halfway up a mountainside. The procession is just starting
around a hairpin curve. They are forced to travel on a
narrow ledge overlooking a deep ravine.
120. CLOSE SHOT - LOVETT, BARNARD AND GLORIA
As they cling against the rocky sides and glance
apprehensively down into the abyss below.
CLOSE SHOT - GLORIA
Close by to Barnard. Gloria's face is wan and haggard.
Every upward move seems to require a Herculean effort. She
stops and has a fit of coughing.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. MOUNTAIN TRAIL
122. LONG SHOT
Of the snake-like moving party. They have reached quite a
height although the peak of the mountain they are ascending
towers high above them. The cutting wind moans treacherously
as it caroms off the mountainside. A heavy mist envelops
them.
SERIES OF SHOTS
As the snake-like line approaches a narrow, treacherous
footbridge and makes a slow, difficult crossing in heavy
weather.
EXT. MOUNTAIN TOP
124. MED. SHOT
Of the group. They round a curve and come upon a narrow
crevice which opens up into a passageway. One by one they
step through, assisted by the natives. On the other side,
they sigh relievedly. Oddly, the wind has stopped, the
chill has lessened. They look up to inspect their
surroundings and a startled look comes into their eyes.
MED. CLOSE SHOT
Of Conway as he glances casually around. What he sees leaves
him transfixed. He stares unbelievingly before him for a
long time.
EXT. SHOT OF SHANGRI-LA
125. LONG SHOT
From angle at mountain top.
A sight that is both magnificent and incredible. The eye-
filling horizon before them throws out a softness and a
warmth that is breathless. On the left is a group of colored
pavilions that seem as if suspended on the mountainside.
Down below, in the hazy distance, is a valley which gives
one the impression of a huge tapestry, superb in its
blending of soft colors. In every direction, wherever one
might gaze, there is a feast of strange and heavenly beauty.
MED. CLOSE SHOT
As Chang approaches Conway.
CHANG
Welcome to Shangri-La.
EXT. MOUNTAIN TOP
MED. SHOT - GROUP
Conway's group and Chang. Chang smiles as he watches their
astonished faces. Conway turns from the rare magnificence
of Shangri-La, unhampered by the wind and storm they had
just encountered, and looks backward, in the direction
from which they came to assure himself he is the victim of
a nightmare. Chang, watching him, answers him before he
can express his astonishment.
CHANG
(a wave of his hand)
You see, we are sheltered by
mountains on every side. A strange
phenomena for which we are very
grateful.
DISSOLVE TO:
EXT. A GARDEN
SERIES OF SHOTS
As the group approaches the beautiful and peaceful Shangri-
La.
129. MED. SHOT
At the foot of a wide marble stairway as the caravan stops.
LOVETT
It's magic!
130. CLOSER SHOT
On the group, as they look around and feast their eyes on
the grandeur of the place.
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
Glancing around at his picturesque surroundings.
132. PANNING SHOT
Following Conway's gaze. In an upper window of a tower,
their faces glued to the pane, are two robed Lamas who
stare down curiously. CAMERA PANS OVER to a very narrow
terrace covered almost completely by a floral arbor. In it
stands a statuesque woman of rare beauty. She looks down
at Conway intently.
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
As he returns her gaze, impressed by her beauty.
GEORGE'S VOICE
Come along, Bob. Coming, Bob?
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
His eyes still on the girl above. He starts up the steps,
staring at her, then stumbles.
CLOSE SHOT - THE GIRL
Laughing at his embarrassment.
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
He smiles up at her.
DISSOLVE TO:
INT. A DINING ROOM
137. FULL SHOT
It suggests nothing we might expect to see in this forsaken
place. The motif is neither Oriental nor religious - but
rather a delicately appointed room, subdued in tones. At
the moment, no one is present except servants who silently
set the table.
INT. A CORRIDOR
MED. TRUCKING SHOT
Of Lovett peering worriedly toward dining room door. He
sees two servants who flank the entrance and steps back
hesitantly. Barnard emerges from a room across the hall,
and Lovett beckons to him. Both are attired in flowing
robes not unlike the one worn by Chang.
LOVETT
Mr. Barnard, I do not like this
place. I definitely do not like
this place.
BARNARD
Will you stop squawking!
LOVETT
Look at me. Look at what they gave
me to wear.
BARNARD
You never looked better in your
life. As soon as our clothes are
cleaned, they're going to give
them back to us, Lovey.
They have reached the doorway of the dining room and halt.
Two servants bow and scrape and lead them in.
BARNARD
Something tells me this means food.
Come on!
LOVETT
I just feel as though I'm being
made ready for the executioner.
INT. DINING ROOM
139. MEDIUM SHOT
As the servants show Lovett and Barnard to their places.
BARNARD
(taking in the food)
Yeah? If this be execution, lead
me to it.
LOVETT
That's what they do with cattle
just before the slaughter. Fatten
them.
BARNARD
Uh-huh. You're a scream, Lovey.
LOVETT
Please don't call me Lovey.
At this moment Conway and George enter.
CONWAY
That was refreshing! Oh, ho - the
food looks good!
He takes something off the table and nibbles at it.
BARNARD
Some layout they got here. Did you
get a load of the rooms? You
couldn't do better at the Ritz.
LOVETT
All the conveniences for the
condemned, if you ask me.
Conway looks at him and smiles.
BARNARD
Don't mind Lovey. He's got the
misery.
LOVETT
Mr. Conway, I don't like this place.
I don't like it. It's too
mysterious.
CONWAY
It's better than freezing to death
down below, isn't it?
BARNARD
I'll say.
INT. GLORIA'S ROOM
140. FULL SHOT
It is in semi-darkness. The moon sends a stream of light
through the windows. Outside we see the outline of towering
mountains. Spread across the bed - her clothes unchanged -
is the body of Gloria - her face sunk deep in the pillows.
MED. CLOSE SHOT
Gloria emits wracking coughs. After a few moments - she
sits up. Her cheeks are wet - her hair disheveled - her
eyes bloodshot. We get an impression of someone who has
suffered for hours. Finally, her coughing begins again -
and unable to stand it, she rises and paces the floor -
then she crosses to the window and looks down, CAMERA
PANNING WITH HER - and into her eyes has come a grim,
determined expression.
142. LONG SHOT
From Gloria's point of view.
She is staring at the chasm below her.
CONTINUATION SCENE 141
Gloria continues to peer below - and her coughing resumes.
INT. CORRIDOR
143. MEDIUM SHOT
As Chang comes down the corridor - hears the coughing and
stops.
INT. GLORIA'S ROOM
144. FULL SHOT
Chang enters and watches Gloria for a moment before
speaking.
CHANG
Is there something I can do for
you?
Gloria wheels around and glares at him.
GLORIA
What do you want?
CHANG
I've offered you some warm broth.
I thought perhaps-
GLORIA
You get out of here! If any of you
men think you can come busting in
here-
She cannot finish as she is attacked by a fit of coughing.
CHANG
Please calm yourself. You'll soon
be well if you do.
GLORIA
(through fits of
coughing)
I don't need any advice from you!
Get me a doctor!
CHANG
I'm sorry, but we have no doctors
here.
GLORIA
(looks up quickly)
No doctors?
(bitterly)
That's fine. That's just fine.
CHANG
Please let me help you.
GLORIA
Sure, you can help me! You can
help me jump over that cliff! I've
been looking and looking at the
bottom of that mountain, but I
haven't got the nerve to jump!
CHANG
(quietly)
You shouldn't be looking at the
bottom of the mountain. Why don't
you try looking up at the top
sometimes?
GLORIA
(her voice cracking)
Don't preach that cheap, second-
hand stuff to me!
(a sob escapes)
Go on, beat it. Beat it!
She flings herself across the bed, coughing uncontrollably.
Chang watches her sympathetically for a few seconds.
CHANG
(before turning
away)
Peace be with you, my child.
INT. DINING ROOM
145. FULL SHOT
They all look up as Chang enters. He is escorted to his
place at the head of the table by two servants who stand
on either side of his chair.
CHANG
(jovially)
Good evening. Good evening, my
friends. Oh no, no, no, please sit
down. I hope you found everything
satisfactory.
BARNARD & CONWAY
Swell. Excellent.
CHANG
(sees that no one
has started)
You shouldn't have waited for me.
BARNARD
Where's the girl? Miss Stone.
CHANG
She's remaining in her room. She
isn't feeling very well.
(to others)
Now please go on without me. I eat
very little.
146. MEDIUM SHOT
Shooting down the long table toward Chang. He sits up
straight - studying them - as the others bend over their
food.
DISSOLVE TO:
INT. DINING ROOM
147. MEDIUM SHOT
The meal is over. Conway sips from a wine glass.
BARNARD
Well, there's certainly nothing
wrong with that meal!
CHANG
Thank you.
CONWAY
And the wine - excellent.
CHANG
I'm glad you like it. It's made
right here in the valley.
LOVETT
Now that dinner is over, if you'll
excuse us, we're very anxious to
discuss ways and means of getting
back home.
GEORGE
The first thing we want to do is
to cable the Foreign Office. All
of England is waiting to hear about
my brother. There's a cruiser at
Shanghai ready to take him back.
CHANG
Really? Well, as regards cabling,
I'm afraid I can't help.
Unfortunately, we have no wireless
here. As a matter of fact, we have
no means of communication with the
outside world.
George stares at him suspiciously - and then turns to Conway
for his reaction - but Conway is apparently disinterested
in the whole conversation.
BARNARD
Not even a radio?
CHANG
It's always been a source of deep
regret, but the mountains
surrounding us have made reception
almost impossible.
GEORGE
In that event, we better make
arrangements to get some porters
immediately. Some means to get us
back to civilization.
CHANG
Are you so certain you are away
from it?
GEORGE
As far away as I ever want to be.
CHANG
Oh, dear.
LOVETT
Of course, the porters will be
very well paid - that is, within
reason.
CHANG
I'm afraid that wouldn't help. You
see, we have no porters here.
LOVETT
No porters here!!
CHANG
No.
BARNARD
What about those men we met this
morning?
CHANG
Yes. Those are our own people.
They never venture beyond the point
where you were met this morning.
It is much too hazardous.
CLOSE SHOT - CONWAY
To intercut with above speech.
He has remained quiet throughout the scene, apparently
interested only in a paper in front of him, upon which he
has been writing.
INSERT: What has been occupying Conway's interest. It is a
picture of Chang which he has been listlessly drawing.
BARNARD
How do you account for all this?
Who brought it in?
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149. FULL SHOT
They all turn to Chang expectantly.
CHANG
Oh, yes. There is a tribe of porters
some five hundred miles from here.
That is our only contact with the
outside world. Every now and again,
depending upon favorable weather
of course, they make the journey.
GEORGE
How can we get in touch with them?
CHANG
In that respect, you are exceedingly
fortunate. We are expecting a
shipment from them almost any time
now—
LOVETT
What exactly do you mean by "almost
any time now"?
CHANG
Well, we've been expecting this
particular shipment for the past
two years.
BARNARD
Two years!?
CHANG
Yes.
Barnard and Lovett look shocked. George starts to say
something, but the words choke in his throat.
CHANG
But I can assure you, gentlemen,
if there is a prolonged delay,
Shangri-La will endeavor to make
your stay as pleasant as possible.
(rising)
And now if you will excuse me, it
is getting late. I do hope you all
sleep well. Good night.
The servants move his chair back. Before he goes, however,
he turns to Conway.
CHANG
Good night, Mr. Conway.
Conway, a little surprised at the distinction in his behalf,
nods.
CONWAY
Good night, sir.
Chang exits. There is a hushed silence following Chang's
departure.
LOVETT
That's what I mean - mysterious.
Mr. Conway, I don't like that man.
He's too vague.
GEORGE
(concerned)
We didn't get much information out
of him, did we Bob?
CONWAY
It seems to me we should be
grateful. We were in a bad mess
this morning.
(a wave of his hand)
After all, this is quite pleasant.
Why not make ourselves comfortable
until the porters do arrive?
While he was speaking, the muted strains of a violin float
into the room. Conway rises.
150. MEDIUM SHOT
As Conway crosses to a balcony door.
BARNARD
That's what I say. What do you say
to a rubber of bridge? I saw some
cards in the other room.
CONWAY
Not for me, thanks. No, I'm too
weary.
He disappears onto the balcony. George watches him go.
BARNARD
(slightly effeminate)
How about you Lovey? Come on. Let's
you and I play a game of honeymoon
bridge.
LOVETT
(distractedly)
I'm thinking.
BARNARD
Thinking? What about some double
solitaire?
LOVETT
As a matter of fact, I'm very good
at double solitaire.
BARNARD
No kidding?
LOVETT
Yes.
BARNARD
Then I'm your man.
(starts away)
Come on, Toots.
Lovett detests the pet names, but follows. George thinks a
moment - and crosses to balcony.
EXT. BALCONY
151. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway is listening moodily to the soulful music. George
wanders in beside him.
CONWAY
Hello, George.
(looking out)
Cigarette?
GEORGE
Thanks.
(lights the cigarette -
after a pause)
I suppose all this comes under the
heading of adventure.
CONWAY
We've had plenty of it the last
few days.
GEORGE
It's far from over, from what I
can see. This place gives me the
creeps, hidden away like this - no
contact with civilization. Bob,
you don't seem concerned at all.
CONWAY
Oh, I'm feeling far too peaceful
to be concerned about anything.
(moodily)
I think I'm going to like it here.
GEORGE
You talk as though you intend on
staying.
CONWAY
(turns to him)
Something happened to me, when we
arrived here, George, that - well -
did you ever go to a totally strange
place, and feel certain that you've
been there before?
GEORGE
What are you talking about?
CONWAY
(back to earth)
I don't know.
GEORGE
You're a strange bird. No wonder
Gainsford calls you the man who
always wanted to see what was on
the other side of the hill.
152. TWO SHOT - CONWAY AND GEORGE
Conway's point of view, studying George.
CONWAY
Don't you ever want to see what's
on the other side of the hill?
GEORGE
What could there be except just
another hill? In any event, I'm
not curious. At the moment, it
seems to me we should be concerned
about getting home. I'd give
anything to be in London right
now.
CONWAY
Of course you would. If ever we
get out of this place, the thing
for you to do is to take that job
with Helen's father.
GEORGE
What do you mean if we should get
out?
CONWAY
(evasively)
Did I say "if"?
GEORGE
(interrupting)
That's what you said.
CONWAY
Well - I mean—
GEORGE
What's on your mind, Bob? You talk
as though we're going to have
trouble getting out of here.
153. CLOSE TWO SHOT - FAVORING CONWAY
CONWAY
George, I've been putting things
together. Do you notice the
resemblance between those natives
and the pilot? And why did those
clothes materialize so conveniently
when they met us at the plane?
Chang himself just said that they
never venture beyond that point.
What brought them there? Unless it
was to meet us?
GEORGE
(catching on)
Chang's first question was about
the pilot.
CONWAY
Uh-huh.
GEORGE
There must be some connection
between the plane and this place.
They must have deliberately brought
us here. Why, Bob? What reason
could they have for doing a thing
like that?
CONWAY
That's what's on the other side of
the hill.
FADE OUT:
FADE IN:
EXT. OF VALLEY - DAY
154. LONG SHOT FROM A TOWER ROOM
Shooting over shoulders of two men in f.g.
We see a beautiful picture of the valley below. There is a
tranquility here that is beatific. CAMERA PULLS BACK. The
two men are revealed as Conway and Chang. They stand on a
terrace of one of the tower rooms.
CHANG
It's three thousand feet,
practically straight down to the
floor of the valley. The Valley of
the Blue Moon, as we call it. There
are over two thousand people in
the Valley besides those here in
Shangri-La.
CONWAY
Who and what is Shangri-La? You?
CHANG
Goodness, no!
CONWAY
So there are others?
CHANG
Oh, yes.
CONWAY
Who, for instance?
CHANG
In time you will meet them all.
155. CLOSE SHOT - THE TWO - FAVORING CONWAY
He watches Chang's face searchingly, then smiles.
CONWAY
For a man who talks a great deal,
it's amazing how unenlightening
you can be.
CHANG
(laughs)
There are some things, my dear
Conway, I deeply regret I may not
discuss.
CONWAY
You know, that's the fourth time
you've said that today. You should
have a record made of it.
CHANG
(evasively)
Shall we go inside? I should so
like to show you some of our rare
treasures.
INT. A TOWER
FOLLOW SHOT WITH GEORGE
On a spiral staircase. Looking surreptitiously around, he
backs his way up. CAMERA FOLLOWS HIM as he reaches the top
of the landing. Here he stops and glances around the corner
down a corridor.
INT. CORRIDOR
157. MEDIUM SHOT
CAMERA FOLLOWS GEORGE as he peers into several rooms
searchingly. He finally arrives at one and enters.
INT. A ROOM
158. FULL SHOT
George enters and looks around. It is dimly lit and
apparently unoccupied. He crosses to a desk and picks up
several objects, scrutinizing them closely.
159. CLOSE SHOT OF THE GIRL, MARIA - IN ALCOVE
She sits, a tapestry board on her lap, watching George
with keen interest.
CLOSE SHOT - GEORGE
He opens a book and glances at its contents.
MED. SHOT TO INCLUDE BOTH
Maria surveys his back appraisingly.
MARIA
Good afternoon.
George wheels around, startled, and stares at her intently.
GEORGE
(starts backing out)
EXCUSE ME–
MARIA
(appealingly)
Please don't go.
George hesitates at door.
MARIA
Tea will be served any moment.
CLOSE SHOT - GEORGE
He watches her with grave speculation for a long moment,
then slowly moves toward her.
MARIA
(a winning smile)
Won't you come in?
George still maintains a serious mien, as their eyes meet.
MARIA
My name is Maria. Won't you sit
down?
INT. LIBRARY
163. FULL SHOT
It is a huge room. The walls are lined with impressive
tomes. Chang is showing Conway around.
164. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway has just finished browsing through one of the books.
CONWAY
By the way, what religion do you
follow here?
CHANG
We follow many.
A look of surprise spreads over Conway's face.
CHANG
(thoughtfully)
To put it simply, I should say
that our general belief was in
moderation. We preach the virtue
of avoiding excesses of every kind,
even including—
(he smiles)
—the excess of virtue itself.
CLOSER SHOT - THE TWO
CONWAY
That's intelligent.
CHANG
We find, in the Valley, it makes
for better happiness among the
natives. We rule with moderate
strictness and in return we are
satisfied with moderate obedience.
As a result, our people are
moderately honest and moderately
chaste and somewhat more than
moderately happy.
CONWAY
How about law and order? You have
no soldiers or police?
CHANG
Oh, good heavens, no!
CONWAY
How do you deal with incorrigibles?
Criminals?
CHANG
Why, we have no crime here. What
makes a criminal? Lack, usually.
Avariciousness, envy, the desire
to possess something owned by
another. There can be no crime
where there is a sufficiency of
everything.
CONWAY
You have no disputes over women?
CHANG
Only very rarely. You see, it would
not be considered good manners to
take a woman that another man
wanted.
CONWAY
Suppose somebody wanted her so
badly that he didn't give a hang
if it was good manners or not?
CHANG
(smiling)
Well, in that event, it would be
good manners on the part of the
other man to let him have her.
166. CLOSE SHOT - THE TWO - FAVORING CONWAY
CONWAY
That's very convenient. I think
I'd like that.
CHANG
You'd be surprised, my dear Conway,
how a little courtesy all around
helps to smooth out the most
complicated problems.
MED. CLOSE SHOT - THE TWO
Chang smiles. Conway scarcely hears the last speech, for
his attention has been caught by the playing of a piano.
He stops to listen. Chang has walked out of scene.
168. MEDIUM SHOT
Conway locates the direction whence the music comes, goes
to a doorway where he stops.
CLOSE SHOT - CHANG
He realizes Conway did not follow him and turns. When he
sees Conway, his face clouds - and he starts toward him.
CLOSE SHOT AT DOOR
Conway watches someone through door with grave interest.
Chang enters scene and follows his gaze.
INT. MUSIC ROOM
171. FULL SHOT
From doorway. It is a spacious, high-ceilinged room, oddly
shaped, and except for a piano, a harp and several chairs,
is otherwise sparsely furnished. At the extreme end, the
room is set off by an alcove of stained glass extending
from the ceiling to the floor, where it finishes with a
deep window seat. At the piano we see an old man - and by
his side is the girl Conway saw last night. They finish
playing and both laugh heartily.
CLOSE SHOT AT DOORWAY
Conway finds her laughter infectious - and smiles.
173. CLOSE SHOT - GIRL AND MAN AT PIANO
In the midst of her laughter, the girl sees Conway, off
scene, and her face sobers - self-consciously.
CLOSE SHOT AT DOORWAY
Chang quickly takes Conway by the arm.
CHANG
At some time in the future you
will have the pleasure of meeting
her.
Conway turns for one last glimpse of the girl, and then
turns to Chang, looking up at his face, puzzled and amused.
CONWAY
Some man had better get ready to
be very courteous to me.
CLOSE-UP - THE GIRL
She continues to stare off toward the door, her eyes alight
with a keen interest.
DISSOLVE TO:
INT. CORRIDOR
176. FOLLOW SHOT WITH CONWAY AND CHANG
CONWAY
But Mr. Chang, all these things -
books, instruments, sculpture - do
you mean to say they were all
brought in over those mountains by
porters?
CHANG
They were.
CONWAY
Well, it must have taken–
CHANG
Centuries.
CONWAY
Centuries! Where did you get the
money to pay for all those
treasures?
CHANG
Of course we have no money as you
know it. We do not buy or sell or
seek personal fortunes because,
well, because there is no uncertain
future here for which to accumulate
it.
INT. A ROOM
CLOSE SHOT - THE TWO
They have arrived in a small room, where they pause. Chang
reaches into a bowl of large nuts, cracks one, and hands
the nut to Conway. Then he does the same for himself. During
the following scene, both are eating nuts from the bowl.
CONWAY
That would suit me perfectly. I'm
always broke. How did you pay for
them?
CHANG
Our Valley is very rich in a metal
called gold, which fortunately for
us is valued very highly in the
outside world. So we merely . . .
CONWAY
—buy and sell?
CHANG
Buy and - sell? No, no, pardon me,
exchange .
CONWAY
(chuckling)
I see. Gold for ideas. You know
Mr. Chang, there's something so
simple and naive about all of this
that I suspect there has been a
shrewd, guiding intelligence
somewhere. Whose idea was it? How
did it all start?
CHANG
That, my dear Conway, is the story
of a remarkable man.
CONWAY
Who?
CHANG
A Belgian priest by the name of
Father Perrault, the first European
to find this place, and a very
great man indeed. He is responsible
for everything you see here. He
built Shangri-La, taught our
natives, and began our collection
of art. In fact, Shangri-La is
Father Perrault.
CONWAY
When was all this?
CHANG
Oh, let me see - way back in 1713,
I think it was, that Father Perrault
stumbled into the Valley, half
frozen to death. It was typical of
the man that, one leg being frozen,
and of course there being no doctors
here, he amputated the leg himself.
CONWAY
(shocked)
He amputated his own leg?
CHANG
Yes. Oddly enough, later, when he
had learned to understand their
language, the natives told him he
could have saved his leg. It would
have healed without amputation.
CONWAY
Well, they didn't actually mean
that.
CHANG
Yes, yes. They were very sincere
about it too. You see, a perfect
body in perfect health is the rule
here. They've never known anything
different. So what was true for
them they thought would naturally
be true for anyone else living
here.
CONWAY
Well, is it?
CHANG
Rather astonishingly so, yes. And
particularly so in the case of
Father Perrault himself. Do you
know when he and the natives were
finished building Shangri-La, he
was 108 years old and still very
active, in spite of only having
one leg?
CONWAY
108 and still active?
CHANG
You're startled?
CONWAY
Oh, no. Just a little bowled over,
that's all.
CHANG
Forgive me. I should have told you
it is quite common here to live to
a very ripe old age. Climate, diet,
mountain water, you might say. But
we like to believe it is the absence
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This virus has taken serious hold!!!
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This virus has taken serious hold!!!
I was hoping that, by the time I got back from holiday, it would have rescinded, but I comfort myself with the hope that because your 'belief' about the happenings at WHF are generating little by way of debate, you've done a segway to something more controversial. Congratulations! It has. Jeremy's assessment of you was correct ;)
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Please be patient and bear with me, I'm just checking the script of the 1937 movie, 'LOST HORIZON' to confirm or to disprove that Admitral Byrds Diary extrats are taken from the movie 10 years previously, to 19th February, 1947, between 06.00hrs that day, and 002.30hrs on the following morning, when Admiral Byrd wrote out his Diary entries...
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Please be patient and bear with me, I'm just checking the script of the 1937 movie, 'LOST HORIZON' to confirm or to disprove that Admitral Byrds Diary extrats are taken from the movie 10 years previously, to 19th February, 1947, between 06.00hrs that day, and 002.30hrs on the following morning, when Admiral Byrd wrote out his Diary entries...
Conway! We can't take more than seven. All right. I'm sorry. Another plane in a minute. All right. Wait, everybody. Plenty of planes are coming. Have patience, we'll be all right. - It won't be long! - Don't worry. Leave everything to my brother. - Yes, sir, 10 passengers aboard. - 10 passengers. Good. Say, get me Shanghai. - Is Colonel Marsh there? - Right here, Conway. Go ahead. I need more planes. I've still about 30 people to get out. - Where are the planes you promised? - We sent all we could find. They better get here, or I can't be responsible- - I think I hear motors. - Wait a minute, they may be here now. George, get down on the field and guide those planes in. Be sure none of the natives get in. - Hello, Colonel? - Hello, Conway. - Thanks, and take care of your liver. - My word! Get ready, everyone. Planes are here. One at a time. Children first. Where are they? Come stand over here. Where's the mother? - They're orphans. - I see. You come here, and you- - What about us, Mr. Conway? - Wait your turn. Come on, you. Take some of those squealing men with you first. They might faint on you. I'll wait. Just as you say. You, madam. Come through here. Wait on one side. - Don't lose your heads! - What was that explosion? They've blown up the powerhouse! The planes can't land without lights. We'll burn the hangar. That will make light for them. There's going to be a big fire. All right. Go ahead! We go on the next plane. Bring out any people that are left. - Hello, Fenner. - Hello, Conway. Having a little trouble? Never mind me. Get this gadget off the ground. - Bob, these are all that are left. - Quick. You can't leave me here, you blighter! I'm a British subject. Look out, Bob! All right, Fenner. Go ahead! Down on the floor! Go ahead, Fenner! Let's go! I guess we're out of range. - Everybody all right? - That was close. I've never been in a situation like this in my life. - Where do you come from? - I'm Alexander P. Lovett. - Why aren't you registered? - It'd serve you right to be left behind. How could I know a war was going to break out over my head? Right over my head. My word! Those Chinese were pouncing on me. I had to get into these ridiculous clothes in order to escape. - Where were you hiding? - Hiding? No. Hunting. I was in the interior hunting fossils. - This morning I looked up suddenly- - And a war broke out right over your head! Next time you're in wild country like this, keep in touch with the British consul. Very good, Freshie. Put his name on the list and make out a report later. I beg your pardon, brother. - What did you say you were hunting? - Fossils. - Fossils? - I'm a palaeontologist. - A what? - A palaeontologist. I see. I have here a discovery that will startle the world. It's the vertebra from the lumbar of a Megatherium, found in Asia. - What do you know about that? - Found in Asia. When I get home, I'll probably be knighted for it. You don't say! - Do you mind if I take a look at it? - Not at all. Sorry. This is the only thing I was able to save when those heathens surrounded me. From this vertebra, I'll be able to reconstruct... ...the entire skeleton- You expect to be knighted for finding that soup bone? This is the vertebra of a Megatherium found in Asia. I remember. You said that before. Sir Henry Derwent was knighted. He never got beyond the Mesozoic era. - Poor fellow! - Yes, it just shows... I don't know why I'm talking to you. Who are you? - Okay, brother. - Don't call me "brother. " Okay, sister. No offence. Cigarette? - I say, will you have a cigarette? - No. You're an American, aren't you? Go and annoy the rest of your playmates. Let me alone. Look what I found. Just what I needed, too. You. Just this once, Bob. I feel like celebrating. Think of it. A cruiser sent to Shangha just to take you back to England. You know what it means? Here you are. Don't bother about those cables now. I want you to drink with me. Gentlemen, I give you Robert Conway, England's new Foreign Secretary. Hooray! How I'm going to bask in reflected glory. People will point to me and say: "There goes George Conway, brother of the Foreign Secretary. " - Don't talk nonsense. Give me the bottle. - That's why they're sending for you. With all these foreign entanglements, it was bound to happen. You can laugh if you want to. But whom else can they get? Who else in England is half the fighter and half the diplomat... ...who has half your knowledge of the foreign situation? They can't stop you now. Hello, Freshie. - Did you make that report out yet? - Yes, Bob. - Did you say we saved 90 white people? - Yes. Hooray for us. Did you say that we left 10,000 natives down there to be annihilated? No, you wouldn't say that. They don't count. You'd better try to get some sleep. Just you wait until I'm foreign secretary. Can't you just see me with all those other shrewd little foreign secretaries? The trick is to see who can outtalk the other. Everybody wants something for nothing. If you can't get it with smooth talk, you send your army in. I'm going to fool them. I'm not going to have an army. I am going to disband mine. I'm going to sink my battleships. I'm going to destroy every piece of warcraft. When the enemy approaches, we'll say: "Come in, gentlemen. What can we do for you?" So then the poor enemy soldiers will stop and think. And what will they think? They'll say, "Something's wrong here, we've been duped! "This is not according to form. "These people seem quite friendly. Why should we shoot them?" Then they'll lay down their arms. You see how simple the whole thing is? Centuries of tradition kicked right in the pants. And I'll be slapped straight into the nearest insane asylum. You'd better not drink anymore. You're not talking sense. Don't worry, George, nothing's going to happen. I'll fall right into line. I'll be the good little boy that everybody wants me to be. I'll be the best little foreign secretary we've ever had. Just because I haven't the nerve to be anything else. - Do try to sleep, Bob. - Yes. Good thing, sleep. Ever notice the sunrise in China? You should. It's beautiful. Good morning, Lovey. - I beg your pardon? - I say, "Good morning, Lovey. " Good morning. Look here, young man. I didn't care for "sister" last night, and I don't like "Lovey" this morning. - My name is Lovett, Alexander P. - I see. - It's a good morning, anyway. - I'm never conversational before coffee. Wait a minute. Is it a good morning? We're supposed to be travelling east, aren't we? - Of course. - It looks to me as if we're travelling west. - That's ridiculous. - Is it? It certainly is. Any child knows how to tell direction. I don't care where the child is, in the air, on the earth, or in the sea. If you face the rising sun, your right hand is north, your left hand is south. I get it twisted because I'm left-handed. - Really? - Yes. Just reverse it. Your left hand is... What difference does it make? The north is the north. All I know is the sun rises in the east, and we're going away from it. Now you're irritating and absurd. Of course. Boy! We're travelling in the wrong direction. - We're going in the wrong direction. - Couldn't you make less noise? We're going west, and Shanghai is way east of here. Quiet! Fenner's the best pilot in China. - It's Fenner. - He may have lost his way. That's what I told him. You can't expect him to sail in the dark. Calm yourself. I'll speak to Fenner. Fenner! I say- - Bob, it isn't Fenner in the cockpit! - Stop it. The bloke up there looks Chinese or Mongolian. We're nowhere near Shanghai. We're going in the opposite direction. We're over the desert. That's funny. Charming chap. Nice puss to meet in a dark alley. - That's that. - I wonder what happened to Fenner. Who is he? How'd he get there? Do you think we stopped last night and changed pilots? That's not possible. If we'd landed, we would've awakened. We never left the air. I didn't sleep the whole night long. - That fellow got on at Baskul. - Where's he taking us? He may be a maniac for all we know. What are you going to do? - I'll make him tell us his game. - What if he refuses? - We'll smash his face in. - Brilliant! Can anyone here fly a plane? That's no good. - I guess we're in for it. - In for what? I don't know. He must have had some purpose in taking the plane. - When he lands, we'll find out. - You won't do anything till we land? - What do you suggest? - Why, you... - He may dash us to pieces. - It might afford you a great deal of relief. I am going back to sleep. I was having such a peaceful dream. As soon as he lands, let me know. We're heading down! We're going to land. We're coming to a village. - What are these people? - I don't know. I can't get their dialect. They're loading up with gasoline. Imagine having that fuel there, waiting for us! Something tells me our journey is just beginning. Where are we going? If you ask me, we're heading straight for those mountains. Douglas plane from Baskul with Conway and four others aboard still missing. Unreported between here and Baskul. Make it very emphatic that His Majesty's government... ...will hold the Chinese government and all governors of Chinese provinces... ...responsible for the complete safety of Robert Conway. Good morning, gentlemen. - No news yet, sir? - It's fantastic. The plane couldn't disappear into thin air. Cable Lord Gainsford at Shanghai. Leave no stone unturned to find Conway. - Robertson? - Yes, sir. Postpone the Far East conference. We can't meet those nations... ...without Conway. This can't be kidnapping. They wouldn't be taking us so far on such a dangerous trip. No sense to it. What do you make of it, Bob? You must have some idea. I give it up. Not knowing where you're going is exciting anyway. Mr. Conway, for a man who's supposed to be a leader... ...your do-nothing attitude is very disappointing. - What do you want him to do? - I don't know. I'm a palaeontologist, not a foreign secretary. - George, come on. - It's not knowing that's so awful. Not knowing where you're going, why, or what's waiting when you get there. We got above that storm. I can't stand it any longer! Take us down! I can't stand the pain any longer. Let me out of here! I can't stand it any longer! Let me out of here! It's oxygen. - Take this in your teeth. - Let me alone. Come on. That's right. Bite on that. What's that? - What's happening? - He must have run out of fuel. Look! Look down there! George! Everybody! Better get back towards the tail. He may nose her over. Into the corner! Quick, George! Cushions! Blankets! Take that behind you. - Everybody all right? - Yeah. - He's fainted? - Looks like it. You smell those fumes? Here, George, take the gun. Hold the light. I'll search him before he comes to. We might find something interesting. There's a map. - He's dead. - Dead? It must have happened when he hit the ground. Let's take a look at this map. What is it? - See that spot? - Yes. That's where we were this morning. He had it marked. Right on the border of Tibet. Here's where civilisation ends. We must be 1,000 miles beyond it. Just a blank on the map. - What does it mean? - It means we're in unexplored country. Country nobody ever reached. Conway! What's happening? Our chances of getting out of this are slim, but it's up to us. We can't have three hysterical people on our hands. - What do you say? - Everything's all right. The pilot won't trouble us anymore. He's dead. - Dead? - Probably a heart attack. What are we going to do? Nothing until the morning. The storm will probably die down before then. My suggestion is that we better all try and get a good night's rest. Why not tell them the truth. We're a million miles from civilisation... ...without a chance of getting out of here alive? It's slow starvation. It's slow horrible death. That's perfect. Just perfect. What a kick I'm going to get out of this. A year ago, a doctor gave me six months to live. That was a year ago. I'm already six months to the good. I'm on velvet. I haven't got a thing to lose. But, you, the noble animals of the human race... ...what a kick I'll get out of watching you squirm for a change. What a kick! They've been gone for hours. Left us here to rot. That's what they've done. - Heroes of the newspapers. - All right. Keep quiet. Here they come. Hello, everybody. We found some food. No chance of starving now. - What is that? - Mountain grass. It's good. Have some. I've read of people lasting 30 days on this stuff. My brother and I have worked out a plan. If we use our heads we'll keep alive for weeks, till he gets back. - Gets back? - Where's he gone? He's starting out right away in the direction of India. Sooner or later, he's bound to run into a tribe or something. Here's the idea. We found a cave over that small hill. As soon as we bury the pilot, we'll move in. We can have a fire. I shouldn't be surprised to see Bob back within a week. You haven't a Chinaman's chance of getting out of here alive. You know it. - Cave? Where? - Over by that hill. Hey, look! Look, Bob! - Where are they? Do you see them? - Yes. Do you think they're cannibals? I am from the nearby lamasery. My name is Chang. He's speaking English. - And mine's Conway. - How do you do? You've no idea how unexpected and very welcome you are. My friends and I, and the lady in the plane... ...left Baskul the night before last for Shanghai. But we were travelling in the opposite direction. At the mercy of a mad pilot. - We'd be eternally grateful if you- - Where is your "mad" pilot? He must have had a heart attack, or perhaps the fumes. When the plane landed he was dead. We were going to bury him when you came along. Pardon me. If you will be good enough to direct us to your lamasery- It is an honour to accompany you and your friends. You'll need suitable clothes for the journey. - It is not particularly far, but quite difficult. - Thank you.
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Welcome to Shangri-La. You see we are sheltered by mountains on every side. A strange phenomenon for which we are very grateful. It's magical. - I definitely do not like this place. - Will you quit squawking? - Look at what they gave me to wear. - You never looked better. As soon as our clothes are cleaned, they'll give them back to us, Lovey. Something tells me this means food. Come on. I just feel as though I'm being made ready for the executioner. If this be execution, lead me to it. That's what they do with cattle just before the slaughter. Fatten them. - You're a scream, Lovey. - Please don't call me "Lovey. " That was refreshing. The food looks good. Some layout they got here. You see the rooms? Couldn't do better at the Ritz. All the conveniences for the condemned. - Don't mind Lovey. He's got the misery. - I don't like this place. It's too mysterious. It's better than freezing to death down below, isn't it? Is there something I can do for you? - What do you want? - I've ordered you some warm broth. - I thought perhaps- - Get out of here! If any of you men think you can come busting in here... Please. Please calm yourself. You'll soon be well if you do. I don't need any advice from you. Get me a doctor. - I'm sorry, we have no doctors here. - No doctors. Well, that's just fine. - Please let me help you. - You can help me jump over that cliff. I've been looking at the bottom of that mountain... ...but I haven't got the nerve to jump. You shouldn't be looking at the bottom of the mountain. Why don't you try looking up at the top sometime? Don't preach that cheap, second-hand stuff to me. Go on, beat it! Beat it! Peace be with you, my child. Good evening, my friends. Please sit down. - I hope you found everything satisfactory. - Swell. Excellent. - You shouldn't have waited for me. - Where's the girl? Miss Stone. She's remaining in her room. She isn't feeling very well. Please go on without me. I eat very little. There's certainly nothing wrong with that meal. Thank you. - And the wine is excellent. - I'm glad you like it. It's made right here in the valley. Now that dinner is over, we're very anxious... ...to discuss ways and means of getting back home. First, we want to cable the Foreign Office. England's waiting for news of my brother. There's a cruiser at Shangha to take him back. Really? As regards cabling, I'm afraid I can't help. Unfortunately we have no wireless here. As a matter of fact, we have no means of communication with the outside world. - Not even a radio? - It's been a source of deep regret... ...but the mountains surrounding us have made reception almost impossible. We'd better make arrangements to get some porters immediately. Some means to get us back to civilisation. - Are you so certain you are away from it? - As far away as I ever want to be. The porters will be very well paid. That is, within reason. I'm afraid that wouldn't help. We have no porters here. No porters here? What about those men we met this morning? Those are our own people. They never venture beyond where you were met this morning. It's much too hazardous. How do you account for all this? Who brought it in? There is a tribe of porters some 500 miles from here. That is our only contact with the outside world. Every now and again, depending upon favourable weather, they make the journey. - How can we get in touch with them? - In that respect you are very fortunate. We are expecting a shipment from them almost any time now. What do you mean by "almost any time now"? We've been expecting this particular shipment for the past two years. - Two years? - Yes. Well... But I assure you, gentlemen, if there is a prolonged delay... ...Shangri-La will endeavour to make your stay as pleasant as possible. And now, if you will excuse me, it is getting late. I do hope you all sleep well. Good night. Good night, Mr. Conway. Good night, sir. That's what I mean, mysterious. I don't like that man. He's too vague. We didn't get much information out of him, did we? It seems we should be grateful. We were in a bad mess this morning. After all, this is quite pleasant. Why not make ourselves comfortable until the porters do arrive? That's what I say. What do you say to a rubber of bridge? - I saw some cards in the other room. - Not for me, thanks. I'm too weary. How about you, Lovey? Come on. Let's you and I play a game of honeymoon bridge. - I'm thinking. - Thinking? - What about some double solitaire? - In fact, I'm very good at it. - No kidding? - Yes. Then I'm your man. Come on, Toots. - Hello, George. Cigarette? - Thanks. I suppose all this comes under the heading of adventure. There's been plenty of it in the last few days. It's far from over from what I can see. This place gives me the creeps. Hidden away like this, no contact with civilisation. You don't seem concerned at all. I'm feeling far too peaceful to be concerned about anything. I think I'm going to like it here. You talk as if you intend on staying. Something happened to me when we arrived here that... Did you ever go to a strange place and feel sure you'd been there before? - What are you talking about? - I don't know. You're a strange bird. No wonder Gainsford calls you: "The man who always wanted to see the other side of the hill. " Do you ever want to see what's on the other side? What else could there be, except another hill? In any event, I'm not curious. It seems to me we should be concerned about getting home. - I'd give anything to be in London now. - Of course you would. If ever we get out of this place, you should take that job with Helen's father. What do you mean, "If"? - Did I say, "If"? - That's what you said. Well, I mean- You talk as though we're going to have trouble getting out of here. I've been putting things together. Do you notice the resemblance between those natives and the pilot? Why did those clothes materialise so conveniently when they met us? Chang himself just said that they never venture beyond that point. What brought them there, unless it was to meet us? Chang's first question was about the pilot. There must be some connection between the plane and this place. They must have deliberately brought us here. What reason could they have for doing a thing like that? That's what's on the other side of the hill. It's 3,000 feet practically straight down to the floor of the valley. The Valley of the Blue Moon, as we call it. There are over 2,000 people in the valley besides those here in Shangri-La. Who and what is Shangri-La? You? Goodness, no. - So there are others? - Yes. - Who, for instance? - In time you will meet them all. For a man who talks a lot, it's amazing how unenlightening you can be. There are some things, my dear Conway, I deeply regret I may not discuss. That's the fourth time you've said that. You should record it. Let's go inside. I'd like to show you our rare treasures. - Good afternoon. - Excuse me, I- Please, don't go. Tea will be served any moment. Won't you come in? My name is Maria. Won't you sit down? By the way, what religion do you follow here? To put it simply, I should say that our general belief was in moderation. We preach the virtue of avoiding excesses of every kind. Even including excess of virtue itself. That's intelligent. In the valley, it makes for better happiness among the natives. We rule with moderate strictness... ...and in return, we are satisfied with moderate obedience. As a result, our people are moderately honest, moderately chaste... ...and somewhat more than moderately happy. How about law and order? You have no soldiers or police? Good heavens, no! How do you deal with incorrigibles, criminals? We have no crime here. What makes a criminal? Lack, usually. Avariciousness, envy. The desire to possess something owned by another. There can be no crime when there is a sufficiency of everything. You have no disputes over women? Only very rarely. It wouldn't be considered good manners to take a woman that another man wanted. Suppose he wanted her so badly that he didn't give a hang... ...if it was good manners or not. In that event, it would be good manners on the part of the other man... ...to let him have her. That's very convenient. I think I'd like that. You'd be surprised how a little courtesy all around... ...helps to smooth out the most complicated problems. At some time in the future you wilI have the pleasure of meeting her. Some man had better get ready to be very courteous to me. Mr. Chang, all these things, books, instruments, sculpture... ...were they all brought in over those mountains by porters? They were. - That must have taken- - Centuries. Centuries. Where did you get the money to pay for all these treasures? We have no money as you know it. We do not buy or sell or seek personal fortunes... ...because there is no uncertain future here for which to accumulate it. That would suit me perfectly. I'm always broke. How did you pay for them? Our valley is very rich in a metal called gold... ...which, fortunately for us, is valued very highly in the outside world. - So, we merely- - Buy and sell. Buy and sell... Pardon me. Exchange. I see. Gold for ideas. There's something so simple and naive about all this... ...that I suspect there's been a shrewd guiding intelligence somewhere. Whose idea was it? How did it all start? That, my dear Conway, is the story of a remarkable man. Who? A Belgian priest by the name of Father Perrault. The first European to find this place and a very great man indeed. He is responsible for everything you see here. He built Shangri-La, taught the natives... ...and began our collection of art. In fact, Shangri-La is Father Perrault. When was all this? Way back in 1713, I think it was... ...that Father Perrault stumbled into the valley, half-frozen to death. It was typical of the man that one leg being frozen... ...and there being no doctors here, he amputated the leg himself. He amputated his own leg? Oddly enough, when he had learned to understand their language... ...the natives told him he could have saved his leg. It would've healed without amputation. - They didn't actually mean that? - Yes. They were very sincere about it, too. You see, a perfect body in perfect health was the rule here. They've never known anything different. What was true for them, they thought would be true for anyone else living here. Well, is it? Rather astonishingly so, yes. Particularly in the case of Father Perrault himself. When he and the natives had finished building Shangri-La... ...he was 108 years old and still very active... ...in spite of having only one leg. 108 and still active? You're startled. No, I'm just a little bowled over, that's all. Forgive me. I should've told you it's quite common here to live to a very ripe old age. Climate, diet, mountain water, you might say. But we like to believe it is the absence of struggle in the way we live. In your countries, on the other hand, how often do you hear the expression: "He worried himself to death," or, "This thing or that killed him"? - Very often. - And very true. Your lives are, therefore, as a rule, shorter. Not so much by natural death, as by indirect suicide. That's all very fine if it works out. A little amazing, of course. You surprise me. I surprise you! Now, that's news. I mean your amazement. I could've understood it in any of your companions, but you... ...who have dreamed and written so much about better worlds. Or is it that you fail to recognise one of your own dreams when you see it? If you don't mind, I think I'll go on being amazed... - ... in moderation, of course. - Then everything's quite all right? It's terrific! I just saw something that'd make your hair stand on end. You see those hills over there? Gold. Popping right out of them. Tons of it. You keep this under your hat. If the others hear about it, they'll declare themselves in. But if I can mine that stuff, I'll throw a bombshell into Wall Street. Now look, I've got a plan and if I- Say, honey... ...you ain't feeling so well, are you? Don't pay attention to what those doctors tell you. I've seen a lot of people fool 'em. And I've got a hunch this place is gonna be good for you. Honest I have. Come on, you be a good kid and snap out of it. And I'll cut you in on the gold deal. I'm going up and make a deal with Chang right now. Oh, my! - Good morning. - Good morning, Mr. Conway. - You speak English? - Yes, sir. - Would you like to take a ride? - No, thanks. Not just now. Well, I think I'll take that ride. Fossils! Why? What for? Running around digging up a lot of old bones. You didn't dig yourself out of one of those holes by any chance? You seem gay. Did you find out anything? I heard that if you want a man's wife, she's yours if he's got any manners. - Nothing about the porters yet? - Porters? We've been here two weeks and we haven't found out a thing. Well, we haven't been murdered in our beds yet, have we? I'm afraid the porters are just a myth. Guess we'll never know why we're here or how long we'll be held prisoners. Hurry up, you slowpokes. I'm starved. "Please, do not wait for me. "I eat so very little. " - Good evening. - Good evening. I'm glad to see us all finally organised. Okay, handsome. Dish it out and make it snappy. - What's happened to you? - Nothing. Why? You look beautiful. That's unkind. Miss Stone always looks beautiful. I got it. It's your make-up. You've got none on. Honey, you look a million percent better. Wholesome, kind of, and clean. Take a tip from me, don't ever put that stuff on your face again. It's like hiding behind a mask. Who're you to talk about a mask? What do you mean? You've been wearing a mask ever since we met you. Have I? Strange, you've never told us anything about yourself. Who are you, anyway? Why not take your mask off for once? Unbosom yourself, Mr. Hyde. All right, I will. I'll let my hair down. Why not? It can't make any real difference now. Lovey... - ... were you ever chased by the police? - Certainly not! Believe me, it's no fun. When you picked me up at Baskul, they were on my tail for a year. The police? Did you ever hear of Chalmers Bryant? Chalmers Bryant? Bryant Utilities. That's me. I knew it. I knew I had a reason for hating you. Sir, you're a thief! He never stole from you, did he? I have 500 shares of Bryant Utilities I bought with money... ...I'd saved for 20 years, teaching school. Now, I couldn't sell it for postage stamps. That's too bad. I got a half million shares. My whole foundation. Now look at me. The nerve you have sitting there, talking about it so calmly. The swindler of thousands of people. That's what makes the whole thing so funny. A guy like me, starts out in life as a plumber. An ordinary, everyday slew-footed plumber. And by the use of a little brains, he builds up a gigantic institution. Employs thousands of people. Becomes a great civic leader. Then the crash comes. Overnight, he's the biggest crook the country ever had. You're a thief and a swindler... ...and I'll be glad to turn you over to the police when we get back. "When we get back! " What makes you think we'll ever get back? You're all prisoners here. We were kidnapped and brought here and nobody knows why. I don't want to be a prisoner. I'm finding out when we're leaving here. I'll make that Chinese talk if it's the last thing I do. Where's Chang? Where's Chang or I'll blow your brains out? - What do you think you're doing? - Let me go. Come here! Come here, you! You idiot! Had to sock him? - Let me up. - You all right? Sorry. Is it true about us being kidnapped? I say, is it true about us being kidnapped? Mr. Chang! Do you mind stepping in here for a moment? Won't you sit down? You have been very kind to us and we appreciate it. But for some reason we're being held prisoners here... ...and we want to know why. Personally, I don't mind at all. I'm enjoying every minute of it. But my brother is not of the same opinion, nor are the others. It's time we were told what it's all about. We want to know why we were kidnapped, why we're being kept here... ...but most important of all, do we get the porters and when? Until we get this information... ...I'm very much afraid we cannot permit you to leave this room. You know, it's very strange... ...but when you saw me in the corridor, I was actually on my way to you. I bring the most amazing news. The High Lama wishes to see you. - The High Lama? Who in blazes is he? - I thought you ran this joint. High lamas or low lamas, do we get the porters? The High Lama is the only one from whom any information can come. - Don't believe him. - Sounds like a stall to me. - Better have him talk- - One moment. You say the High Lama's the only one who can give us information? The only one. And he can arrange for the porters to take us back? The High Lama arranges everything. Then he's the man I want to see. Will you come along? Better wait here until I get back. We'll soon know where we stand. Good evening. Please, come in. Sit here, near me. I'm an old man and can do no one any harm. Are you the High Lama? Yes. I trust you've been comfortable at Shangri-La, since your arrival. Personally, I've enjoyed your community very much. But my friends do not care for this mystery. They are determined to leave as soon as... It's astonishing and incredible, but... What is it, my son? You're the man. Chang told me. You're the first who... Two hundred years ago. You're still alive, Father Perrault. Sit down, my son. You may not know it, but I've been an admirer of yours... ...for a great many years. Not of Conway, the empire builder and public hero. I wanted to meet the Conway who in one of his books said: "There are moments in every man's life when he glimpses the eternal. " That Conway seemed to belong here. In fact, it was suggested that someone be sent to bring him here. That I be brought here? Who had that brilliant idea? Sondra Bizet. The girl at the piano? Yes. She has read your books and has a profound admiration for you. As have we all. Of course, I've suspected that our being here was no accident.
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Furthermore, I have a feeling we're never supposed to leave. But that, for the moment, doesn't concern me greatly. I'll meet that when it comes. What particularly interests me at present is why was I brought here? What possible use can I be to an already thriving community? We need men like you here... ...to be sure that our community will continue to thrive. In return for which Shangri-La has much to give you. You are still, by the world's standards, a youngish man. Yet in the normal course of existence... ...you can expect 20 or 30 years... ...of gradually diminishing activity. Here, however, in Shangri-La... ...by our standards, your life has just begun. And may go on and on. To be candid, Father, a prolonged future doesn't excite me. It would have to have a point. I sometimes doubted whether life itself has any. If that is so, then long life must be even more pointless. I'd need a much more definite reason for going on and on. We have reason. It is the entire meaning and purpose of Shangri-La. It came to me in a vision... ...long ago. I saw all the nations strengthening... ...not in wisdom, but in the vulgar passions and the will to destroy. I saw their machine power multiplying... ...until a single-weaponed man might match a whole army. I foresaw a time when man, exulting in the technique of murder... ...would rage so hotly over the world... ...that every book, every treasure would be doomed to destruction. This vision was so vivid and so moving... ...that I determined to gather together all things of beauty... ...and culture that I could and preserve them here... ...against the doom toward which the world is rushing. Look at the world today. Is there anything more pitiful? What madness there is, what blindness, what unintelligent leadership. A scurrying mass of bewildered humanity crashing headlong against each other... ...compelled by an orgy of greed and brutality. The time must come, my friend... ...when this orgy will spend itself. When brutality and the lust for power... ...must perish by its own sword. Against that time is why I avoided death and am here... ...and why you were brought here. For when that day comes, the world must begin to look for a new life. And it is our hope that they may find it here. For here, we shall be with their books... ...and their music and the way of life... ...based on one simple rule: Be kind. When that day comes... ...it is our hope that the brotherly love of Shangri-La... ...will spread throughout the world. Yes, my son, when the strong have devoured each other... ...the Christian ethic may at last be fulfilled... ...and the meek shall inherit the earth. I understand you, Father. You must come again, my son. Good night. Well? - What did you find out? - We thought you were never coming back. - When do we leave? - What about the porters? Porters? - Didn't you find out about the porters? - Why, I'm sorry, but I- What were you doing all this time? What's the matter with you? You went there- Do you mind? I'm sorry, but I can't talk about it tonight. Hello. Good morning. "Lay thee down now, and rest "May thy slumber be blessed "Lullaby, and good night "Thy mother's delight "Bright angels around "My darling shall sound "They will guard thee from harm" Do you mind? "They will guard thee from harm "Thou shall wake in my arms" This is Mr. Conway, children. Good morning, Mr. Conway. - How do you do? - Very well, thank you. Children, Teacher is going to be very busy this afternoon. So, school's dismissed. Please. I hope you're not going to run away this time. My name's Sondra. I hope you'll forgive me for... You know, each time I see you, I hear that music. What is it? You mean my pigeons. It's these little flutes that I attached to their tails. See? Come along with me and I'll show you how I put them on. This is how we tie them on. By varying the size of the flutes, I can get any notes I wish. The wind does the rest. Here's a little fellow who has lost his. - Was this your idea? - Yes. Hold this pigeon. You suggested my being brought here, didn't you? What gave you the idea I'd fit in? - That was easy. I'd read your books. - You've read my books? You do more things. What have my books got to do with it? I saw a man whose life was empty. "A man whose life was empty. " I know, it was full of this and full of that. But you were accomplishing nothing. You were going nowhere and you knew it. As a matter of fact, all I saw was a little boy whistling in the dark. "A little boy whistling... " Do you realise that there was a British cruiser waiting at Shanghai... ...smoke pouring out of its funnels, tugging at its moorings... ...waiting to take Mr. Conway back to London. Do you know right now there are headlines shrieking the news... ...that Conway's missing? Does that look like a man who's life was empty? Yes. You're absolutely right. I had to come to a pigeon house in Shangri-La to find the only other person... ...who knew it. May I congratulate you? I only brought you here to show you my pigeons. Don't worry about them. Now you can put flutes on my tail and bells on my feet. I've so many questions I'd like to ask, I don't know where to begin. I'll help you. To begin with, you'd like to know what I'm doing here. - That I was born here. - Thank you. Well, I was almost born here. It took place in that wild country beyond the pass. My parents were in a party of explorers who got lost and wandered for a year. When Chang found us only father and I were alive. He was too weak to climb the pass. He died on the way. I was brought up by Father Perrault. I envy you. - I talked to him last night. - I know. I can't quite get used to this age thing. I'm 30. You're going to make life very simple. It's inconceivable. - What? - All of it. Father Perrault and his magnificent history. This place, hidden away from the rest of the world... ...with its glorious concepts. And now you come along and confuse me entirely. I'm sorry. I thought I was to be the light. Why do I confuse you? Am I so strange? On the contrary, you're not strange. And that in itself is confusing. I had the same idea about Shangri-La. The sense I've been here before, that I belonged here. I'm so glad. I can't quite explain it, but everything is somehow... ...familiar. The very air that I breathe. The lamasery... ...with its feet rooted in the good earth of this fertile valley... ...while its head explores the eternal. All the beautiful things I see, these cherry blossoms, you... ...all somehow are familiar. I've been kidnapped and brought here against my will. A crime, a great crime, yet I accept it amiably. With the same amiability one tolerates only from a very dear and close friend. Why? Can you tell me why? Maybe 'cause you've always been part of Shangri-La without knowing it. - I wonder. - I'm sure of it. I've never seen the outside world, but I understand there are many people... ...who are supposed to be mean and greedy. I just know that secretly they are all hoping to find a garden spot... ...where there is peace and security. Where there's beauty and comfort. Where they wouldn't have to be mean and greedy. I just wish the whole world might come to this valley. Then it wouldn't be a garden spot for long. I don't know why I associate with you, Mr. Barnard or Mr. Chalmers Bryant... ...or Mr. Embezzler, or whatever your name may be. - Just call me Barney. - Barney? Why should I? Never, we have nothing in common. What effrontery! Okay, Lovey. And this trip to the valley. Why did I allow you to drag me here? You don't know anything about these people. We're not even armed. They're very nice people, except that they've got horns. - Horns? - You know. Horns. What kind of horns? Come on. They won't hurt you. All I want is a glass of wine. - Thanks. - Sit down. Now this is fine. This is swell. No, thanks, just a drink. I've been walking and I'm a little thirsty. That's all right. I just don't happen to be very hungry. All I asked for was a glass of wine. Look here, I've got to have some help with this. Where is Lovey? Look! Mr. Barnard! Come here! I asked for a glass of wine, look what I got. Come on, sit down. This is where you are. I might have known. - No wonder you couldn't hear me. - Relax and have a glass of wine. - Sit down! - And be poisoned out here in the open? - Won't you please have a glass of wine? - I never drink wine, in the daytime. - There you are. - This doesn't obligate me in any way. No. The bears came right into the bedroom and the little baby bear said: "Somebody's been sleeping in my bed. " And then the mama bear said: "Somebody's been sleeping in my bed. " And then the big papa bear, he roared: "And somebody's been sleeping in my bed. " You have to admit, the poor little bears were in a quandary. Well, I'm going to sleep in my bed. Come on, Lovey. - They were in a quandary. - Come on, Lovey. Why, "Come on" all the time? What's the matter, you going to be a fuss-budget all your life? Drink it up. Aren't you having any fun? - Where was I? - In a quandary. I'm telling this story. The poor little bears... ...they didn't know what to do. Somebody had been sleeping in their beds. Who slept in their beds? Who was it, Lovey? You called me "Lovey"? Look at those eyes. There's the devil in those eyes. "Here we go gathering nuts in May "Here we go gathering nuts in May Early on Tuesday morning "Here we go, Shangri-La, Shangri-La "Here you are in Shangri-La" Hello, Maria. You promised to come for tea yesterday. I waited for so long. Sorry. - I haven't got any cigarettes left. - I'll make some for you. You will come today? Perhaps. Please say you will. The days are very long and lonely without you. Please. All right, I'll be there. Thank you. You'll tell me the things I want to know, right? Who's in charge? Why we were kidnapped and what will happen to us? Chang's been lying about those porters, hasn't he? Beautiful. - I'm waiting for the bump. - "Bump"? When the plane lands at Shangha and wakes us all up. You see. It's not a dream. I sometimes think that the other is the dream. The outside world. - Have you never wanted to go there? - Goodness, no! From what you tell me, it doesn't sound very attractive. It's not so bad really. Some phases of it are sordid, of course. That's only to be expected. Why? Usual reasons. - A world of people struggling for existence. - Struggling? Why? Everyone naturally wants to make a place for himself. - Accumulate a nest egg and so on. - Why? If you keep on asking that, we're not going to get anywhere. - And don't ask me why. - I was just going to. It's the most annoying word in the English language. Ever hear a child torture his parent with it? "If Mother's little darling doesn't take her fingers... "... out of the salad bowl this instant, Mother's going to wring her little neck. " - Would you like to wring my little neck? - I'd love it. Why? I'm sorry. I've thought about it for years. I knew you'd come. And I knew when you did, you'd never leave. Am I forgiven for sending for you? Forgiven. When we were on that plane... ...I was fascinated by the way its shadow followed it. That silly shadow... ...racing along over mountains and valleys... ...covering 10 times the distance of the plane. Yet always there to greet us with outstretched arms when we landed. I've been thinking that somehow you're that plane... ...and I'm that silly shadow. That all my life, I've been rushing up and down hills... ...leaping rivers, crashing over obstacles... ...never dreaming that one day, that beautiful thing in flight... ...could land on this earth and into my arms. This place is amazing. That marble quarry in the valley is simply magnificent. I've looked around. I've seen everything. Your woodworkers and your cloth weavers are all so happy. You may not know it, but right here you have Utopia. - You're very kind. - I don't mean it in that sense. I only give credit where credit is due. I'm very anxious to have you realise that I never for a moment believed... ...that ridiculous kidnapping story. - I'm so glad. - Simply preposterous. Do you know what I did last night? I held a sort of a self inventory. I said to myself last night, "Lovey, Mr. Lovett... " - I said, "You are an ungrateful fool. " - No. Those are my very words to myself last night. "These people here are doing everything to make your stay comfortable... "... and I haven't done one single thing to show my appreciation. " What would you like to do? I thought with your permission and while I'm waiting for these porters... ...I'd like to organise classes for the children in the valley... ...and teach them something practical and something useful. Geology. - Splendid. - Isn't it? I was a professor for 20 years. - And a very good one. - I'm sure you were. - When would you like to start? - Immediately. Then it's done. Thank you. You get the idea? From this reservoir here, I can pipe the whole works. I'm going to get a kick out of this. It's just to keep my hand in. With the equipment we have here... ...I can put a plumbing system in the whole village. Rig it up in no time. Do you realise those people are still going to the well for water? - It's unbelievable. - Think of it! In times like these! What about that gold deal? - Gold, you know- - Oh, that. That can wait.
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Nobody's going to run off with it. I've got to get busy. I want to show this layout to Chang. - Don't you take any wooden nickels. - All right. You're acting like a child. You haven't talked for two weeks. There's nothing to say. - I'm afraid that does it. - I'm afraid it does. Shall we have another? Not tonight, if you don't mind. Come in, my dear. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. I thought Mr. Conway's brother was here. Excuse me. Charming, isn't she? Yes. Charming. Your brother seems quite fascinated by her. Why not? She's an attractive young woman. Young? She arrived here in 1888. She was 20 at the time. She was on her way to join her betrothed... ...when her carriers lost their way in the mountain. The party would've perished, but for meeting some of our people. Amazing. Still doesn't look over 20. When is she likely to grow old in appearance? She'd quickly revert in appearance to her actual age. It's weird. How old are you? Age is a limit we impose upon ourselves. Each time you Westerners... ...celebrate your birthday, you build another fence around your minds. - But you know you'd tell 'em not to. - My dear boy- You've been lying since we arrived. It's worked for some people. Because they lack the courage to do something. But not me. You're up against the wrong man. I'll leave, even if I have to blow this place into the valley. I'll get out, porters or no porters! You must prevail upon him not to attempt the journey. He could never get through that country alive. I can't let him go alone. It's suicide. Yes, of course your brother is a problem. It was to be expected. I knew you'd understand. That's why I came to you for help. You must not look to me for help. Your brother is no longer my problem. He is now your problem. Mine? Because, my son, I'm placing in your hands... ...the future and destiny of Shangri-La... ...for I am going to die. I knew my work was done, when I first set eyes upon you. I've waited for you, my son, for a long time. I've sat in this room and seen the faces of newcomers. I've looked into their eyes and heard their voices... ...always in hope that I might find you. My friend, it is not an arduous task that I bequeath... ...for our order knows only silken bonds. To be gentle and patient. To care for the riches of the mind. To preside in wisdom... ...while the storm rages without. Do you think this will come in my time? You, my son, will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history... ...and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens. But I see at a great distance... ...a new world stirring in the ruins... ...stirring clumsily... ...but in hopefulness... ...seeking its lost and legendary treasures... ...and they will all be here, my son. Hidden behind the mountains... ...in the Valley of the Blue Moon... ...preserved as by a miracle. We run the pipes through here and connect with the main waterline here. Where are you going to get pipes? That's a cinch. I'll show them how to cast pipes out of clay. There you are. You'd better get your things together. We're leaving. - Leaving? - The porters are taking us back. We've got clothing, food, everything. When are you going to start? This very minute. They're waiting for us on the plateau. That Chinaman thought he could stop me. Come along. I think I'll stick around. I'll leave with the porters on the next trip. You mean you don't want to go? Well, I'm- You're afraid of going to jail. You see I've got this plumbing business. If you insist being an idiot, I won't coax you. How about you? You don't want to go yet, honey. She'll stick around, too. That right? If you want me to. Sure. Don't you worry. I'll take care of you. All right, suit yourself, but just remember you had your chance. - How about you? Do you want to go? - Where? Home. I've got porters to take us back. I'm sorry. That's impossible. I have my classes. I don't care what you've started. Do you want to go? No, I think I'd better wait. - Yes, I'll wait. - You'll wait until you rot! - Hello, Gloria. - Hello. I've just finished translating an interesting old tablet. It told me of the origin of the Masonic symbols- - That's swell. - What? I want to show you something. Isn't that pretty. What is it? Plumbing. Everything modern. I'm going to run pipes all through the village. Hello, George. You can stop worrying now. I've made arrangements to leave. If you let me close that window, I can talk to you. That noise is driving me crazy. I said we're getting out of here. Back to civilisation. I made a deal with the porters. They're leaving tomorrow at dawn. They're waiting for us outside the valley. Get your things together. - Where's your topcoat? - You can't leave. What's going to stop me? - You've got to stay here now. - Stay here? What's the matter with you? You've acted strangely since we came. I've never seen you like this. What's stopping us from leaving? Something grand and beautiful. Something I've been searching for all my life. The answer to the confusion and bewilderment of a lifetime. I've found it and I can't leave it. You mustn't either. I don't know what you're talking about. You're carrying around a secret that's eating you up. - Tell me about it. - I want to tell you. I'll burst with it if I don't. It's weird and fantastic and unbelievable... ...but so beautiful. As you know, we were kidnapped and brought here... And that's the whole story. He died, as peacefully as the passing of a cloud's shadow. His last words were: "I place in your hands, my son... "... the future and destiny of Shangri-La. " Now you know why I can't leave. I really don't know what to say. You've been hypnotised by fanatics. I wouldn't believe it in England. Why should I swallow it here in Tibet? How do you know these things are true? - Did they show you proof? - I don't need proof. I knew there was a reason why I hated this place. I'd love to fly over it with bombs for what they've done to you. All this talk about lamas being hundreds of years old. How do you know? Did you see their birth certificates? I can't believe it. A bunch of old men sit around and dream about reforming the world... ...and you, two-feet-on-the-ground Conway, want to join them. It's horrible. Is that all my story meant to you? What else could it mean to me? It's obviously a lot of bunk.
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Then you'd better go. This is no place for you. It's no place for you. Think of what's waiting for you. Do you want to stay here till you're half dead? Till your mind starts corroding like the rest of them? - I don't want to talk about it anymore. - You've got to talk. And me? They stole the plane to bring you here. I didn't want to come. You owe me some responsibility. I'm tired of owing you things. You're free to go. Go ahead. It's that girl. - That girl has twisted and turned- - That's enough. Never mind the girl. Why don't you go? Look here. Ever since I can remember you've looked after me. Now, you're the one that needs looking after. I'm your brother. If there's something wrong with you... ...let me help you. I don't feel like making that trip alone. You couldn't possibly stay here, could you? I'd go mad. I may be wrong. I may be a maniac... ...but I believe in this and I'm not going to lose it. You know how much I want to help you... ...but this is bigger, stronger if you like, than brotherly love. I'm sorry. I'm staying. I can't think of anything more to say. Goodbye. Are you sure the porters will take care of you? It's all set. - Maria made the arrangements. - Maria? - The little Russian girl. - How's she involved? - She's going with me. - You're crazy. - You can't take her away from here. - Why not? You can't. Do you know what will happen if she leaves Shangri-La? She's fragile and can only live where fragile things are loved. Take her out of this valley and she'll fade away like an echo. What do you mean, "Fade away like an echo"? She came here in 1888. This'd be funny, if it weren't so pathetic. She isn't a day over 20. - You're wrong. - I'm not wrong. She told me so. Besides, she wouldn't have to tell me. I'd know anyway. I found out a lot of things last night. I'm not ashamed of it. It's one of the few decent things... ...that's ever happened in this hellish place. Everyone is happy in Shangri-La. Nobody would ever think of leaving. It's all just rot! She's pleaded with me since I came to take her away from this place. She's cried in my arms, for fear I'd leave her here. She's made two trips to the plateau to bribe the porters. For me! I don't believe a word of it. All right, I'll prove it to you. You've believed everything they're told you without proof. I'll prove my story. Come in a minute. I've got some bad news for you. My brother and I've decided we can't take you along. You can't take me? You promised to take me with you! It's all your fault. It was all arranged until he spoke to you. Why can't you leave us alone? - You want to leave Shangri-La? - I'll die if I have to stay another minute. I've waited a long time for this chance and you're not going to stop me now. If I have to, I'll go alone. I brought the porters. If it weren't for me, you'd never get out. The High Lama told them not to take anyone. The High Lama! Who pays any attention to him? The porters laugh at the High Lama. They only want to know how much gold he'll give. I gave them more gold. I've been stealing it for a year. I'd do anything to leave this place. To leave the High Lama, who calls himself Father Perrault. He's been insane for years. - Father Perrault is dead. - He's dead! That's fine. You won't see me shedding any tears over him. You must take me with you. Aren't you afraid to leave? You don't want to look like an old woman, do you? Old woman? - Chang told you that, didn't he? - Yes. I thought so. He tells everyone I'm old. He wants them to stay away from me. He gets mad when anyone comes near me. He's punished me for every minute I've spent with George. If it weren't for him, I'd have left long ago. But he always stops me. Six months ago I tried to escape and he locked me in a dark room. I nearly went crazy. Look at me! Do I look like an old woman? Is this the skin of an old woman? Look into my eyes. Are these the eyes of an old woman? She was kidnapped and brought here two years ago just as we were. I don't believe it. I can't believe it. She's lying. You're lying. Every word you've been saying is a lie. Say it! You're lying, aren't you? No, I'm not lying. What reason could I have for lying? Chances are we'll never come out of that horrible trip alive. But I'd rather die out there in a snowstorm, be buried alive... ...than to stay here one more minute. - You say the porters are waiting for us? - Yes. - Clothes? - Yes, everything. What about the others? I've asked them. They're afraid to make the trip. We'll have to send an expedition back after them. Come on, we're wasting time. - Are you taking me? - Certainly. Come on. It won't be long before we're in London. Can't you just see everyone when we pop in out of the blue? We'll have them breathless when we tell them our story. You had me worried for a while. I thought you were gone completely. Lucky for me you snapped out of it. You saved my life. - I never could have made it alone. - What was that? - I was saying- - Shut up! Must you go on babbling? - What's happened? Where's Bob? - He's going, my child. - Going? - But he will return. No! I can't stand it. I can't go on anymore. I've got to rest. How long is this going to go on? I can't stand it. Can't you get them to wait for us? They're leaving us farther behind every day. There's nothing that would suit 'em more than to lose us, but we must go on. - Come on, darling. - I can't. You've got to let me rest. Target practice again.
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One of these days they're going to hit us. As long as they keep on aiming at us, we're safe. Come now. Look at her face! "Dropping from nowhere after a year! " - Cable from Gainsford. - Read it! "Leaving today for London with Conway aboard S.S. Manchuria. "Conway can tell nothing of his experiences. Let me have it. "Aboard S.S. Manchuria. "Last night Conway recovered his memory. Talked about Shangri-La. "Telling a fantastic story about a place in Tibet. "Insisted upon returning there at once. "Locked him in, but he escaped and jumped ship at Singapore. "I'm leaving ship to overtake him, as fearful of his condition. "Wrote down details of Conway's story about Shangri-La, which I am forwarding. "Lord Gainsford. " Here's Gainsford now. - It's good to see you back. - Glad to see you. - It's good to see you again. - Thought you would never come. - Sit down. Have a drink. - Scotch and soda. I'm parched. Here you are. Ready and waiting. - Any news of Conway? - We're eager to know what you discovered. Where is he? Gentlemen, you see before you a very weary old man... ...who has just ended a chase that lasted nearly 10 months. You never caught up with him? Since that night he jumped off the ship, till two weeks ago... - ... I've been missing him by inches. - You don't mean it. - Was he that determined to get back? - Determined? Gentlemen, in the whole course of my life, I've never encountered anything so grim. During those last 10 months, that man has done the most astounding things. He learned how to fly, stole a plane, got caught, put in jail, escaped... ...in an amazingly short space of time. This is only the beginning of his adventure. He begged and fought, pushing forward to the Tibetan frontier. Everywhere I heard these amazing stories of the man's adventures. Positively astounding. Till eventually... ...I trailed him to the most extreme outpost in Tibet. Of course, he had already gone. But his memory... His memory will live with those natives for the rest of their lives. "The man who was not human," they called him. They won't forget the stranger who tried six times... ...to climb a mountain pass that no other human being dared to travel. And six times was forced back by the severest storms. They won't forget the madman who stole their food and clothing. Who they locked up in their barracks and who fought six guards to escape. Their soldiers are still talking about their pursuit to overtake him... ...and shuddering at the memory. He led them the wildest chase through their own country. Finally, he disappeared over that very mountain pass... ...that they themselves dared not travel. And that, gentlemen... ...was the last that any known human being saw of Robert Conway. That's what I call fortitude. - Think of it. - Tell me something, Gainsford. What do you think of his talk about Shangri-La? Do you believe it? Yes. I believe it. I believe it, because I want to believe it. I give you a toast. Here's my hope... ...that Robert Conway will find his Shangri-La. Here's my hope... ...that we all find our Shangri-La.
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=lost-horizon
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No Admiral Byrd transcript here then..
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Does that apply to the moon as well? How come the moon and the sun always appear to have about the same angular diameter (namely, half a degree) in the sky when they can be seen clearly? Such observations indicate that the distances of both the sun and moon from any observer on Earth don't vary enough to cause an easily noticeable change in the apparent angular diameter of either. It's because the earth is flat, not a globe...
It was very misleading of you to state "the sun must be outside the firmament" if that applies only some of the time... Its not misleading at all, its quite natural...the firmament couldn't reasonably be described as impenetrable if the sun is sometimes below it and sometimes outside it. Yes, it can, and it does, made possible by the technology being adopted to project its image, within the earths 'firmament', partially outside of it, and sometimes completely outside of it...
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Secrets of the Flat Earth...
The ring growths concealed inside the barked trunks of trees are representative of the Geocentric module of the flat earth...
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(1) - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/antarctica/antartica11.htm
by Erich J. Choron
from GreyFalcon Website
In 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd led 4,000 military troops from the U.S., Britain and Australia in an invasion of Antarctica called “Operation Highjump”, and at least one follow-up expedition.
That is fact. It is undeniable. But... the part of the story that is seldom told, at least in “official” circles, is that Byrd and his forces encountered heavy resistance to their Antarctic venture from “flying saucers” and had to call off the invasion.
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(1) - http://exopolitics.org/did-us-navy-battle-ufos-protecting-nazi-antarctic-sanctuary-in-1947/
Did US Navy battle UFOs protecting Nazi Antarctic sanctuary in 1947?
Written by Dr Michael Salla on October 25, 2012. Posted in exopolitics research, world politics
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Nazi Uboats reaching Antarctica with accompanying UFOs. Artwork, Jim Nichols.
An extraordinary 2006 Russian documentary was recently translated into English revealing new information about a US Navy Antarctica expedition in 1946/47. Originally scheduled for a six month period, the “scientific” expedition was officially called “The United States Navy Antarctic Development Program,” and given the operational name Highjump. The naval component of Operation Highjump was known as Task Force 68 and comprised 4700 military personnel, one aircraft carrier (the USS Philippine Sea among the largest of all carriers of the time), and number of naval support ships and aircraft. The Naval expedition was headed by famed polar explore Admiral Richard Byrd, who had been ordered to: “to consolidate and extend American sovereignty over the largest practical area of the Antarctic continent.” Byrd’s expedition ended after only 8 weeks with “many fatalities” according to initial news reports based on interviews with crew members who spoke to the press while passing through Chilean ports. Rather than deny the heavy casualty reports, Admiral Byrd revealed in a press interview that Task Force 68 had encountered a new enemy that “could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds.”
Admiral Byrd’s statements were published in the Chilean Press but never publicly confirmed by US authorities. Indeed Byrd did not speak again to the Press about Operation Highjump, leaving it for researchers to speculate for decades over what really happened, and why Byrd was silenced. After the Soviet collapse in 1991, the KGB released previously classified files that cast light on the mysterious Byrd led Naval expedition to Antarctica. A 2006 Russian documentary, recently translated, made public for the first time a 1947 secret Soviet intelligence report commissioned by Joseph Stalin of Task 68’s mission to Antarctica. The intelligence report, gathered from Soviet spies embedded in the US, revealed that the US Navy had sent the military expedition to find and destroy a hidden Nazi base. On the way, they encountered a mysterious UFO force that attacked the military expedition destroying several ships and a significant number of planes. Indeed, Operation Highjump had suffered “many casualties” as stated in initial press reports from Chile. While there is a possibility the report resulted from US disinformation fed to a known Soviet mole, the more likely explanation is that the report exposes the first known historical incident involving a battle between US naval forces and an unknown UFO force stationed near Antarctica.
It is a historical fact that Nazi Germany devoted significant resources to the exploration of Antarctica, and established a prewar presence there with its first mission in the Antarctic summer of 1938/1939. According to a statement by Grand Admiral Donitz in 1943, “the German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Führer, in another part of the world, a Shangri-La land, an impregnable fortress." If the fortress was in Antarctica, was it built by the Nazis, or discovered there? After the defeat of Nazi Germany, according various sources, elite Nazi scientists and leaders escaped to this impregnable fortress by Uboats, two of which experienced difficulties and surrendered in Argentina.
In the Soviet intelligence report, never before known testimony by two US Navy servicemen with Operation Highjump was revealed. A recent article in New Dawn by Frank Joseph gives a detailed analysis of the two eyewitness accounts, only the latter of which was mentioned in the 2006 Russian documentary. John P. Szehwach, a radioman stationed on the USS Brownson, gave testimony of how UFOs appeared dramatically out of the ocean depths. On January 17, 1947 at 0700 hours, Szehwach said:
I and my shipmates in the pilothouse port side observed for several minutes the bright lights that ascended about 45 degrees into the sky very quickly… We couldn’t i.d., the lights, because our radar was limited to 250 miles in a straight line.[Our Real “War of the Worlds"]
Over the next several weeks, according to the Soviet report, the UFOs flew close over the US naval flotilla which fired on the UFOs which did retaliate with deadly effects. According to Lieutenant John Sayerson, a flying boat pilot:
The thing shot vertically out of the water at tremendous velocity, as though pursued by the devil, and flew between the masts [of the ship] at such a high speed that the radio antenna oscillated back and forth in its turbulence. An aircraft [Martin flying-boat] from the Currituck that took off just a few moments later was struck with an unknown type of ray from the object, and almost instantly crashed into the sea near our vessel…. About ten miles away, the torpedo-boat Maddox burst into flames and began to sink… Having personally witnessed this attack by the object that flew out of the sea, all I can say is, it was frightening.”[Our Real “War of the Worlds"]
There is a major problem with Sayerson’s quote. There has been no torpedo boat named Maddox in the US Navy. In the Russian documentary, the incident described by Sayerson (misspelt Sireson) refers instead to the destroyer “Murdoch.” There was, however, no destroyer named “Murdoch” active in the US Fleet in 1947. Instead there was a destroyer named “Maddox” (DD-731), but it did not serve in Operation Highjump. In fact, the USS Maddox was the destroyer fired upon in the Gulf of Tonkin incident of 1964.
According to Frank Joseph the USS Maddox was “either a torpedo boat, or torpedo-carrying destroyer.” He goes on to explain what may have happened to the Maddox mentioned in the Soviet report:
A USS Maddox was indeed sunk by enemy action, but five years earlier by a German dive-bomber during the Allied invasion of Sicily. Actually there were at least three American destroyers known by that name (DD-168, DD-622 and DD-731) all of them contemporaneous. The US Navy has long been notorious for falsifying the identity of its ships and re-writing their histories if they embarrass official policy…. So too, the “Maddox” cited by Soviet espionage was similarly consigned to an official memory hole.[Our Real “War of the Worlds"]
If Joseph is correct, then it is very possible that a USS Maddox was destroyed during Operation Highjump, and the US Navy changed official records to hide this. An alternative explanation is that the 1947 Soviet report contained U.S. orchestrated disinformation that was being conveyed to Soviet authorities by a Soviet mole known by the US intelligence community. Though plausible, this is highly unlikely given that the US and USSR were still allies at the time of Operation Highjump, and had a common interest in finding and destroying any hidden Nazi base(s) in the South Atlantic.
(2) - https://youtu.be/MwUpPwyyvLw
The destructive technology used by the UFOs in the Soviet intelligence report was not something that had been developed by the defeated Nazis who had only shortly before been forced to retreat to the South Atlantic. It appears the UFOs were not intent on destroying Task Force 68, but forcing it to turn back. Were the UFOs protecting the retreating Nazis and/or their own presence in Antarctica? Was the Stalin era report disinformation deliberately fed to Soviet authorities by US intelligence? What is the most likely answer is that the Soviet era report released in the 2006 Russian Documentary was substantially correct. This suggests that Admiral Byrd’s initial press report was accurate – a new enemy that could fly from pole to pole at “incredible speeds” had emerged. Most importantly, the UFO force had inflicted heavy casualties on the US Navy that was powerless to oppose it. The world’s first known battle between the United States military and an unknown UFO fleet based near Antarctica very likely occurred in 1947, and the general public has never learned about it until now.
© Copyright 2012. Michael E. Salla. Exopolitics.org
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Further Reading
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Are Extraterrestrials the Enemy?
"Foundations for Globally Managing Extraterrestrial Affairs – The Legacy of the Nazi Germany-Extraterrestrial Connection."
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It's because the earth is flat, not a globe...
It's related to the distances of the sun and moon from the observer, not whether the earth is flat or round.
made possible by the technology being adopted to project its image
Even a projected image would have a different angular width as measured by observers at different distances. Such observers could be at different locations on Earth or one could be on Earth and another in an aircraft in flight above Earth. This applies regardless of Earth's shape, as it's just a matter of distance. For a very distant sun and moon (or sun image and moon image), the difference in angular width would be so small that it wouldn't be noticed.
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No Admiral Byrd transcript here then..
Admiral Byrd didn't make such transcript, someone had a vivid imagination after watching Lost Horizon and made their own Shangri La using Byrd and Antartica. Maybe your transcript doesn't contain the lines
"You, my son, “will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens … but I see in the great distance a new world starting in the ruins stirring clumsily but in hopefulness, seeking it’s lost and legendary treasures, and they will all be here, my son, hidden behind the mountains under the blue moon, preserved as if by a miracle…”
BUT the actual movie DOES - move the time bar to about 1.18.00 and let it play. The sound isn't exactly high quality but it's good enough!
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It's related to the distances of the sun and moon from the observer, not whether the earth is flat or round. It's related to an observer stood on a flat earth, rather than an observer stood on the earth being a globe...
Even a projected image would have a different angular width as measured by observers at different distances. Which is what happens when the powers that be deflect the projected images of the sun and the moon off the inner edge of the earths 'firmament' using laser technology...Such observers could be at different locations on Earth Yeah, they could be...or one could be on Earth Yeah, that's what happens...and another in an aircraft in flight above Earth. Yeah, quite true...This applies regardless of Earth's shape, No, it doesn't...as it's just a matter of distance. The distance would be the same for occasions where it was only one observer, but when there are two or more, the distances would be different because of the alleged curvature of the earth, as opposed to the flat earth...For a very distant sun and moon (or sun image and moon image), the difference in angular width would be so small that it wouldn't be noticed. It would, because of the instrumentation of the curved earth, as opposed to the flat earth and perspective...
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Admiral Byrd didn't make such transcript, someone had a vivid imagination after watching Lost Horizon and made their own Shangri La using Byrd and Antartica. Maybe your transcript doesn't contain the lines
"You, my son, “will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens … but I see in the great distance a new world starting in the ruins stirring clumsily but in hopefulness, seeking it’s lost and legendary treasures, and they will all be here, my son, hidden behind the mountains under the blue moon, preserved as if by a miracle…”
BUT the actual movie DOES - move the time bar to about 1.18.00 and let it play. The sound isn't exactly high quality but it's good enough!
Opps - for got the link ;D ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiNVerU1hBA
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It's related to an observer stood on a flat earth, rather than an observer stood on the earth being a globe
If the observer is in an aircraft, why would the shape of Earth below affect his observation of the angular width of the sun or moon?
Which is what happens . . . when there are two or more, the distances would be different because of the alleged curvature of the earth, as opposed to the flat earth
Observers at different locations could both be flying, and the observers' distances could then vary appreciably, regardless of whether the ground (or sea) below was curved or flat. Why would the shape of Earth below prevent observers from being at quite different distances from what they're observing? Even if the observers' distances from the sun (or moon) differ by only a few miles, that would have a significant affect on the angular width for the sun (or moon) that they observe.
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If the observer is in an aircraft, why would the shape of Earth below affect his observation of the angular width of the sun or moon? The perspective of the observer in the aircraft would be different to the observer on the flat earth, or god forbid on a globe earth... Observers at different locations could both be flying, These observers would have the same perspective if they were flying together in the same plane at the same altitude, but if they were in different planes at different altitudes their perspectives would be different, this would also apply for this same argument if you introduced an observer on the flat earth, observers on the flat earth, an observer on a globe earth, or observers on a globe earth - each observer would have their own perspective...and the observers' distances could then vary appreciably, Yeah, which can be put down to 'relative perspective'regardless of whether the ground (or sea) below was curved or flat. Er, no it would matter whether an observer was airborne, or if an observer was standing somewhere on the curve of the earth, or stood somewhere on a flat earth, except for cases which involved comparisons of two observers in the same aeroplane flying at the same altitude, or two observers standing at the same point on the earth irrespective of whether you believed in a flat earth, or a globe one... Why would the shape of Earth below prevent observers from being at quite different distances from what they're observing? Altitude, and perspective...Even if the observers' distances from the sun (or moon) differ by only a few miles, that would have a significant affect on the angular width for the sun (or moon) that they observe. That would depend upon whether one observer was airborne and the other observer stood below on the flat earth, or if the two observers were stood on the earth a few miles apart, since in the first instance it would be a matter of altitude and perspective, whereas in the latter case, it would just be a simple matter of perspective...
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Admiral Byrd didn't make such transcript, someone had a vivid imagination after watching Lost Horizon and made their own Shangri La using Byrd and Antartica. Maybe your transcript doesn't contain the lines The words in Byrds Diary read, '’ ‘Yes, my son,’ replied the Master, ‘the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race....
"You, my son, “will live through the storm. You will preserve the fragrance of our history and add to it a touch of your own mind. Beyond that, my vision weakens … but I see in the great distance a new world starting in the ruins stirring clumsily but in hopefulness, seeking it’s lost and legendary treasures, and they will all be here, my son, hidden behind the mountains under the blue moon, preserved as if by a miracle…”
BUT the actual movie DOES - move the time bar to about 1.18.00 and let it play. The sound isn't exactly high quality but it's good enough!
The sentences are not the same, and in any event how do you know that Admiral Byrd himself had not seen the movie in question, or that it was what contributed to his desire to carry out an expedition in and around the south pole? Additionally, how do you know that the 'MASTER' hadn't seen the film himself and utilized part of the script when he eventually spoke to Admiral Byrd?
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[Why would the shape of Earth below prevent observers from being at quite different distances from what they're observing?] Altitude, and perspective
I didn't ask about observers at the same altitude. I asked why the shape of Earth would prevent observers (who could be at different altitudes and locations) from being at quite different distances from what they're observing. Hence "altitude and perspective" doesn't answer that question.
What I asked is logically similar to asking about two observers who may or may not be equidistant from Sheffield. If Leeds can be seen by both observers, the proportion of each observer's field of view that Leeds occupies is unaffected by the shape of Sheffield, but is affected by the distance of each observer from Leeds, and these distances from Leeds aren't necessarily equal.
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The sentences are not the same, and in any event how do you know that Admiral Byrd himself had not seen the movie in question, or that it was what contributed to his desire to carry out an expedition in and around the south pole? Additionally, how do you know that the 'MASTER' hadn't seen the film himself and utilized part of the script when he eventually spoke to Admiral Byrd?
Oh come on Mike, you know they are enough the same, which is why you asked about the movie. I thought you didn't like people trying to pull the wool? The guy who said the diary is from Admiral Byrd is clearly full of it!
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Oh come on Mike, you know they are enough the same, which is why you asked about the movie. I thought you didn't like people trying to pull the wool? The guy who said the diary is from Admiral Byrd is clearly full of it!
I disagree...
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The truly remarkable thing which springs to my mind, is the fact that on 19th February 1947, Admiral Byrd is engaged on a meeting as per his Diary entries of that particular date, but that a week later his fleet was attacked and sent packing from the south pole altogether (with loss of hardware and personnel)...
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I didn't ask about observers at the same altitude. I asked why the shape of Earth would prevent observers (who could be at different altitudes and locations) from being at quite different distances from what they're observing. Hence "altitude and perspective" doesn't answer that question.'relativity'...
What I asked is logically similar to asking about two observers who may or may not be equidistant from Sheffield. If Leeds can be seen by both observers, the proportion of each observer's field of view that Leeds occupies is unaffected by the shape of Sheffield, but is affected by the distance of each observer from Leeds, and these distances from Leeds aren't necessarily equal. it's a matter of 'relativity'...
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Now, there can be very little doubt that Admiral Byrd's south pole expedition met with a force which not only caused the loss of life and limb, but also that it sent his depleted armada scurrying out of the region!
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I disagree...
I knew you would but that doesn't matter.
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Now, there can be very little doubt that Admiral Byrd's south pole expedition met with a force which not only caused the loss of life and limb, but also that it sent his depleted armada scurrying out of the region!
There is not only 'doubt' - it just didn't happen and there is no secret diary.
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There is not only 'doubt' - it just didn't happen and there is no secret diary.
It did happen, and the Diary existed and was referred to...
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Admiral Byrd's Antarctica expedition met with strange disks which attacked his fleet as reported in a Russian Documentary...
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I disagree...
Well, you would, wouldn't you.
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It did happen, and the Diary existed and was referred to...
That would be the same, then, as all the 'stuff' about Jeremy which you refer to and claim existence of?
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Well, you would, wouldn't you.
You don't know what your talking about, you simply haven't got a clue!
The missing Diaries relate to the attack made upon Admiral Byrds fleet on the 26th February, 1947, when the fleet came under attack and had to flee from the south pole. A Battleship was sunk during this attack upon Byrds contingent, and many lives were lost! Video footage exists to confirm this to be true! His Diary entries for the 19th February 1947 exist and I have posted a transcript of them...
Neither you or anybody else can prove that the 19th February 1947 Diary entries do not exist, you can only speculate because you don't want it to be true and real. You have got a shallow mind that is incapable of accepting anything outside the scope your intelligence has been conditioned to - when you lose any argument or debate you resort to ridicule...
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That would be the same, then, as all the 'stuff' about Jeremy which you refer to and claim existence of?
There you go, your at it again....
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It is understood that after his meeting with the 'Alien Master' inside the hole of the flat earth at the south pole (19th February, 1947), that upon returning to his base, and contacting the powers that be in America, that Byrd was ordered to continue with his mission 'to locate the Nazi base' in the south pole and 'to destroy it'...
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It is understood that after his meeting with the 'Alien Master' inside the hole of the flat earth at the south pole (19th February, 1947), that upon returning to his base, and contacting the powers that be in America, that Byrd was ordered to continue with his mission 'to locate the Nazi base' in the south pole and 'to destroy it'...
This was the purpose behind the attack upon his fleet, an attack which involved disked flying machines looming out of the sea and which could fly at phenomenal speed and inflict damage using weaponry not known about at that stage, or heard about previously...
Here is the account of an experienced pilot regarding that attack by disc shaped craft which attacked and destroyed part of the fleet on that particular date (26th February, 1947) his name was / is 'JOHN SIRESON'...
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These still images are taken from real life video footage taken at the time of the attack upon the fleet by the flying disks...
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There can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Admiral Byrds fleet, of warships, boats and aircraft and personnel were attacked on the 26th February 1947, resulting in loss of life and hardware, and that Byrd and his armada were sent packing out of the south pole - and the really interesting thing is, the powers that be kept silent about this...
Here is more footage of the attack by flying disks upon Byrds fleet on the 26th February, 1947:-
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In general, the vast majority of the public at large do not appear capable of recognising the truth in most things! This is because they are chiefly victims of brainwashing and conditioning by the so called elite amongst us! These people who call themselves elite, or who like to be thought of as being elite, better than you, better than me, better than them, or us, are actually lower than all of us - they are the real criminals deceiving almost everybody!
More still images from the video of the attack by flying disks on Admiral Byrd's contingent at the south pole on 26th February, 1947!
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Seems to me, to be a clear case of the vast majority of the pubic do not want to hear the truth, they do not want to have to accept something that is the truth - brainwashed by the system that governs them, and everybody else...
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Seems to me, to be a clear case of the vast majority of the pubic do not want to hear the truth, they do not want to have to accept something that is the truth - brainwashed by the system that governs them, and everybody else...
Now, if any of you don't want to believe a word I am saying, then at least go and watch the Russian Documentary with the real to life footage of what I have been posting here - Our Governments, and those who control the public at large do not want ordinary people to know the truth if that truth differs from those in power, or the powers that be!
Do you always want to be a brainwashed subject of the powers that be? Thinking like they want you to think? Doing precisely what they want you to do?
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Now, if any of you don't want to believe a word I am saying, then at least go and watch the Russian Documentary with the real to life footage of what I have been posting here - Our Governments, and those who control the public at large do not want ordinary people to know the truth if that truth differs from those in power, or the powers that be!
Do you always want to be a brainwashed subject of the powers that be? Thinking like they want you to think? Doing precisely what they want you to do?
Try thinking for yourselves, outside the parameters that the powers that be, have set for you and almost every one of us...
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Ever wondered 'why' that 'all those countries' which have signed up to the south pole treaty, and no-one has broken that contract?
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Ever wondered 'why' that 'all those countries' which have signed up to the south pole treaty, and no-one has broken that contract?
We have almost universal peace at the south pole, yet there are so many wars between so many different nations?
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Admiral Byrd did make contact with an Alien race at the south pole on the 19th February, 1947 (see his Diary for this date), and he was ordered to remain at the south pole to complete his mission (which was to locate and destroy the Nazi base understood to be located in that region). This escalated the matter, and an attack was implemented upon Byrds fleet to force them out of the region...
Loss of hardware, loss of life...
The American powers that be 'hid the truth' from the world, from all Americans (save for those involved)...
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America did not land on the moon (another big lie), the moon landing was faked....
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There are no satellites (another big lie)!!!
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Aeroplanes did not fly into the WTC on 9/11 (another big lie)...
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Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister, and stage her death scene (yet, another big lie)!
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People, individuals, in positions of power cannot always be relied upon to tell the truth, unless it somehow favours them, and the system they subscribe to!
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What those in these positions of power must realise by now, is that there are / is something more powerful than anything they can begin to image that they themselves are, who can bring the lot of 'em to their knees, and when that day (or night) arises, the meek shall truly inherit the earth!
Those in power live a lie, and their duty is to brainwash the population into going along with that deception, whatever that deception might entail!
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People in power only know one version of the truth, and that is their own truth, which they preach to the masses as though what they say and believe in is gospel!
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Those who comply with the system being advocated are rewarded, with promotions in status, an increase in cash, and a good standard of living!
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Those who comply with the system being advocated are rewarded, with promotions in status, an increase in cash, and a good standard of living!
Those who for whatever reason choose not to confirm, are treated as sub human beings with little or any entitlement to any of the aforementioned benefits! Such individuals shall never be rewarded, shall never be promoted, and shall never have a better or improved standard of living!
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God didn't create, or invent money!
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God didn't create, or invent money!
The powers that be did!
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'Money, is the route of all evil'..
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'Money, is the route of all evil'..
Or, so the saying goes..
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Or, so the saying goes..
It therefore, must follow, that 'money' is the god of the powers that be!!!
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The truth is not decided upon or by who is most likely to be telling the truth, but rather how money, and who can benefit best of most, in finding in favour one way, or another!
Money talks, affiliations talk, being indoctrinated talks, it's all so false!
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NASA lies...
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NASA lies...
It's existence survives on the back of a huge scam, laundering monies, stealing funding from taxes paid for by the American people's!
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'relativity'...it's a matter of 'relativity'...
Can you explain clearly what you mean? The word "relativity" on its own has no specific meaning, just as the shape of Sheffield has no connection to whether Leeds can be seen.
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The truth ...
What do you mean by "the truth"? Could it be just anything you find using Google?
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Can you explain clearly what you mean? The word "relativity" on its own has no specific meaning, just as the shape of Sheffield has no connection to whether Leeds can be seen.
Yes, it's quite simple, the view of an object seen by an observer, and their perspective, is relative to what they see in their event horizon! If two people were stood in the same place upon the earth, whether the earth is flat or a globe has no bearing upon what they both can see (considering that they have the same quality of eyesight)! However, if the two people concerned were stood on different parts of the earth, let's say in Sheffield or Leeds, the view of each in respect of the same object would depend upon whether person (a) was standing on a flat earth, and person (b) was standing on a globes earth (and vice versa)!Alternatively, both (a) and (b) might be considered to be standing on a flat earth, or as the case may be, both deemed to be standing on a globed earth!
In all examples, and all things being equal, the view of person (a), and / or, (b) would be relative to their location and position upon the earth!
The sun or the moon would not look any bigger or smaller if viewed at the same (fact) time by person (a) or (b), because it's relative to the fact that let's say the person at (a) in the centre of Sheffield, the exact position of the sun and the moon in altitude and latitude can never be reconciled with one another, theycan never be in the exact same position in the sky as viewed by person (b) in the centre of Leeds (at let's say some 35 miles away) because of 'time'. If it were possible to measure the radius and the circumference of the sun and the moon at 4.25pm on a given date by an observer in the centre of Sheffield, and at that precise moment in time by an oversee Dr in the centre of Leeds, there like obviously be either an increase in radias and circumference of both by a value equal to 35 miles in distance between both locations! The further observers are from one another at a specific time, the measurements would be lesser (if closer than 35 miles) or greater (if !interested than 35 miles distant)!...
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It did happen, and the Diary existed and was referred to...
A diary was referred to but it wasn't written by Bryd.
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https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/power-lines-curvature-earth-04233/
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https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/power-lines-curvature-earth-04233/
Idiots, mistaking 'perspective' for curvature of earth!
You will believe anything just so long as it opposes the truth!
Can't you think for yourself?
Your trapped...
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The vast majority of the public at large are trapped, and indoctrinated into the way and methods of the powers that be!
Those outside this paradigm, are classed as revolutionists, criminals, etc...
But...
The real criminals are those in power!
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The vast majority of the public at large are trapped, and indoctrinated into the way and methods of the powers that be!
Those outside this paradigm, are classed as revolutionists, criminals, etc...
But...
The real criminals are those in power!
The really sad thing, is that the vast majority of the public, think that free thinkers, and revolutionaries, are the criminals, they ignore the criminalisation of those in power (who are the real criminals)!!!
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The really sad thing, is that the vast majority of the public, think that free thinkers, and revolutionaries, are the criminals, they ignore the criminalisation of those in power (who are the real criminals)!!!
The elite, do not want the general public to be able to think for themselves!!
If they did, if they could, then those in power would be strung up and quartered!
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Those in power, are responsible for introducing laws and regulations that God never ordained, or would ever sanction...
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Those in power, are responsible for introducing laws and regulations that God never ordained, or would ever sanction...
These criminals see themselves as God, but basically they are all wankers, and tossers!
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These criminals see themselves as God, but basically they are all wankers, and tossers!
They should bring back the gallows and hang the lot of them, in god's name!
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Idiots, mistaking 'perspective' for curvature of earth!
You will believe anything just so long as it opposes the truth!
Can't you think for yourself?
Your trapped...
Mistaking perspective for curvature - that doesn't make sense, yes it's a perspective picture that beds at the horizon, showing the curvature of the earth. It's on water, there wouldn't be any bend if the earth was flat.
I ALWAYS think for myself - never trapped!
There isn't even a decent reason for why such a lie would be promoted.
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If it were possible to measure the radius and the circumference of the sun and the moon at 4.25pm on a given date by an observer in the centre of Sheffield, and at that precise moment in time by an oversee Dr in the centre of Leeds, there like obviously be either an increase in radias and circumference of both by a value equal to 35 miles in distance between both locations! The further observers are from one another at a specific time, the measurements would be lesser (if closer than 35 miles) or greater (if !interested than 35 miles distant)!...
So differently located observers (with equally good vision) could well see the sun at a somewhat different elevation and/or in a somewhat different direction, and observe that the sun had a noticeably different angular diameter, even though they had made their observations simultaneously and each had a clear view of the sun. Is that correct?
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So differently located observers (with equally good vision) could well see the sun at a somewhat different elevation and/or in a somewhat different direction, and observe that the sun had a noticeably different angular diameter, they can't see the sun and the moon at the same time, and therefore no realistic comparison can be made, since in order for the second observer to see the sun or the moon at the same angle and altitude time would need to elapse between one and the other, so in those circumstances, a sighting of the sun and moon could never be exact or identical, not only because of individual perspective, or altitude, but because of the difference in time when the sun and moon were at the same point in the sky, separated by the time it takes the sun and the moon to travel the distance above the earth between both locations of observer (a) and observer (b),even though they had made their observations simultaneously they can't make an observation simultaneously to one another in time.. and each had a clear view of the sun. they can't have the same view of the sun and the moon at the same time, it's impossible!Is that correct?No, as I say, they both cannot have the same view simultaneously to one another!
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Mistaking perspective for curvature - that doesn't make sense, yes it's a perspective picture that beds at the horizon, showing the curvature of the earth. The earth has no curvature, your talking nonsense!It's on water, there wouldn't be any bend if the earth was flat. water finds its own level, it is always flat when it comes to rest! If the earth were a globe all the water would fall to the bottom of the earth and off into space! The earth is flat and the waters of the earth are retained in position by the masses of ice which serve to retain it!
I ALWAYS think for myself - never trapped! Oh yeah, so you still believe that Admiral Byrd's fleet didn't flee from the south pole after being attacked by circular flying machines which destroyed ships and planes, and the loss of life, on the 26th February, 1947? Yeah, of course you do! Seems to me you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you bang smack in the face! Admiral Byrds fleet got attacked on the 26th February, 1947, because although he relayed back to Washington the circumstances of his meeting beneath the flat earth on 19th February, 1947, the powers that be ordered Byrd to remain at the south pole to carry out his mission which was to locate the Nazi base and destroy it! Those orders backfired, and part of Byrd's fleet was destroyed, and many lives lost, as a result of being attacked by disk shaped balls of light that emerged from the deep waters in a fury, and which moved with tremendous velocity and manoeuvrability, and vented laser type devastation from unknown weaponry - Byrd and his crew were sent packing, terrified regarding what happened to them, and what might happen to them had they decided to remain at the south pole for another three or four months further! Now, you can try to make light all of this but the truth is what I have reported! The Russians have got video footage of the attack upon Byrd's fleet on the 26th February, 1947, by those flying disks! Ships were sunk, planes destroyed, lives lost, and America kept quiet about it all!.
There isn't even a decent reason for why such a lie would be promoted
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There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Nazis have a base at the south pole!
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What do you mean by "the truth"? In what context are you asking this question?Could it be just anything you find using Google? or anything you find using Google, or what you read in books, or see on the tv, or what someone once told you, or something you once overheard?
There may be several versions of the truth, depending on who participated, what was seen by one observer, what a participant did at the time of the event, and the outcome of the aftermath of such an event! When you ask what do I mean by 'the truth', it might depend on what your on about, rather than what my truth is on the same matter! There are basically three types of truth in most situations, your truth, my truth, and the actual truth somewhere in-between your truth and my truth! Nevertheless, you will continue to maintain what you believe to be your truth, and I will endeavour to maintain my truth, each refusing to budge!
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Watch the Documentary here (44 minutes duration), for a better insight into the matter:-
(1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw
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The earth has no curvature, your talking nonsense
It's not me who is guilty of that - although I will agree, there is a lot of it having been spoke recently!
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. . . they can't have the same view of the sun and the moon at the same time, it's impossible! . . . I say, they both cannot have the same view simultaneously to one another!
My question wasn't intended to be about the moon at all, and the question didn't intend to refer to any comparison between the sun and the moon or between an observation of the sun and an observation of the moon. I didn't suggest anything was the same about the observations. I specifically stated that the observers have different locations, so one observer could well observe the sun to have a somewhat different elevation, direction and angular width from the elevation, direction and angular width of the sun as observed by the other observer. I used the phrase "somewhat different", as it's obvious that observers who happened to be located very near each other might make very nearly the same observations. The observers could be, say, 70 miles apart from each other, and they could also be at different altitudes. They make their observations at about the same time (I didn't need to state simultaneously), and on the same day, and their observations needn't be exceptionally precise, but precise enough for "somewhat different" to mean more different than could be due merely to "experimental error" or a slight difference in time. I didn't suggest that both observers have the same view of the sun, but they both have a clear view, so that they can make observations of its direction, elevation and angular width. They both have good eyesight and good measuring instruments. I'm not asking whether their observations can be identical or nearly identical, but whether they can all be somewhat different in the circumstances described. Is that possible? If not, why not?
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It's not me who is guilty of that - although I will agree, there is a lot of it having been spoke recently!
Yeah, by people who say or believe that Admiral Byrds expedition did not get attacked by so called 'UFOs' at the south pole and that a destroyer, other boats and planes, and lives lost in that confrontation - it clearly did happen, and those of you who pretend it didn't are not being entirely honest! It seems your taking the stance of America in not reporting it, not wanting to acknowledge that this event really had and did take place on the 26th February, 1947, a week after Admiral Byrd himself wrote out his Diary entries 19th / 20th February, 1947! Now, you can try to twist and distort anything you want regarding the 'missing' Admiral Byrds Diaries, by claiming there suppose to be missing, and try to make as much fun as possible over your absurd claim that 'if the Diaries are missing, how come the one dated 19th / 20th February, 1947 has surfaced'? You know as well as I do that because his Diary entries 19th / 20th February, 1947 have surfaced that they can't be 'missing'! The 'missing' Diary entries of real significance and importance are the ones he pencilled on the 26th February 1947, and shortly afterwards...
I have already provided you with the necessary links, to read the Diary entries for 19th / 20th February 1947, and the other link which contains real time footage of the UFO attack upon Admiral Byrds fleet on the 26th February, 1947! You can choose to ignore the compelling evidence provided as much as you like, that's your problem not mine - You don't want to believe anything that challenges the system that has conditioned you, and indoctrinated you, you are in my opinion restricted in the ability to reason logically! You are so far indoctrinated by the system that you will do and say anything to oppose any view or evidence which puts the powers that be (that you and people like you idolise) at peril of being exposed as a sham, a deception, a lie, people who have these traits can never contribute to changing the world as we know it, you are stuck, you are trapped in your own mind, and no matter what you believe in, that everything the system has taught you, and continues to bombard you with!
The earth is flat, is can't be a globed module, its impossible. I have worked this out using my own intelligence, I don't really need to rely upon YOU TUBE videos to back up what my own intelligence tells me, but I do so because that appears to be the medium that you and those like you can relate to - the problem is even when you are faced off with such evidence you choose to dismiss it without any of your own examples put forward! All your doing is trying to protect the status quo, the view and indoctrination of the powers that be, that has been controlling you, and others like you, all of your lives!
Your trapped, your indoctrinated, your set in your ways, you haven't got a clue what the truth is, other than a biased one!
You can't think for yourself!
I don't hold that against you, or anybody else, since the system which has controlled you, and is controlling you, that has looked after you, and made you feel 'well off' and given you a good standard of living, makes you feel safe, and comfortable!
Great!
Long may it continue (in your reality)...
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Yeah, by people who say or believe that Admiral Byrds expedition did not get attacked by so called 'UFOs' at the south pole and that a destroyer, other boats and planes, and lives lost in that confrontation - it clearly did happen, and those of you who pretend it didn't are not being entirely honest! It seems your taking the stance of America in not reporting it, not wanting to acknowledge that this event really had and did take place on the 26th February, 1947, a week after Admiral Byrd himself wrote out his Diary entries 19th / 20th February, 1947! Now, you can try to twist and distort anything you want regarding the 'missing' Admiral Byrds Diaries, by claiming there suppose to be missing, and try to make as much fun as possible over your absurd claim that 'if the Diaries are missing, how come the one dated 19th / 20th February, 1947 has surfaced'? You know as well as I do that because his Diary entries 19th / 20th February, 1947 have surfaced that they can't be 'missing'! The 'missing' Diary entries of real significance and importance are the ones he pencilled on the 26th February 1947, and shortly afterwards...
I have already provided you with the necessary links, to read the Diary entries for 19th / 20th February 1947, and the other link which contains real time footage of the UFO attack upon Admiral Byrds fleet on the 26th February, 1947! You can choose to ignore the compelling evidence provided as much as you like, that's your problem not mine - You don't want to believe anything that challenges the system that has conditioned you, and indoctrinated you, you are in my opinion restricted in the ability to reason logically! You are so far indoctrinated by the system that you will do and say anything to oppose any view or evidence which puts the powers that be (that you and people like you idolise) at peril of being exposed as a sham, a deception, a lie, people who have these traits can never contribute to changing the world as we know it, you are stuck, you are trapped in your own mind, and no matter what you believe everything the system has taught you, and continues to bombard you with!
The earth is flat, is can't be a globed module its impossible, I have worked this out using my own intelligence, I don't really need to rely upon YOU TUBE videos to back up what my own intelligence tells me, but I do so because that appears to be the medium that you and those like you can relate to - the problem is even when you are faced off with such evidence you choose to dismiss it without any of your own examples put forward! All your doing is trying to protect the status quo, the view and indoctrination of the powers that be, that has been controlling you and others like you all of your lives!
Your trapped, your indoctrinated, your set in your ways, you haven't got a clue what the truth is, other than a biased one!
You can't think for yourself!
I don't hold that against you, or anybody else, since the system which has controlled you, and is controlling you, has looked after you and made you feel 'well off' and given you a good standard of living!
Great!
Long may it continue...
I honestly don't think you believe any of this stuff. Still, it's a free country, if you want to continue posting this nonsense, carry on. I'm done with this thread. By the way, my standard of living is achieved by working hard and SFA to do with the shape of the SPHERICAL planet.
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Your view of reality, and those just like you - 'The earth is a globe', at anyone time there are observers stood on the face of the curved earth, who are standing the right way up, who are standing sideways on to the right, who are standing upside down, and who are standing sideways on to the left, and varying degrees the right way up, to the right, upside down, and to the left! Not only that / this, but depending upon who is doing the observing, an observer upon any part of the curved earth, can be the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of these positions! Lets take it further, just so we have the fuller picture, birds on one part of the curved earth, as opposed to and in relation to the position of birds upon or in another part of the curved earth. Birds flying the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, sideways on to the left, and varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left! It rains (according to the chosen masses, the special ones amongst us) the right way up in one part of the world, it rains sideways on to the right in another part of the world, it rains upside down in yet another part of the world, and it rains sideways on to the left in yet another different part of the world, or varying degrees of it raining down, sideways on to the right, up, and sideways on to the left! Lets take another example, of the nonsense which those who subscribe to the earth being a globed module commit their entire conscious mind to...
Aeroplanes fly the right way up, they fly sideways on to the right, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of flying the right way up, or flying sideways to the right, or flying upside down, and flying sideways onto the the left, all at the same time! Lets hit the nail on the head, an aeroplane could be flying the right way up, be flying sideways on to the right, be flying upside down, be flying sideways on to the left, at one and the same time, depending upon who is observing who?
The list is endless, insects walking, crawling, hopping, flying, and plants, shrubs and trees, growing and flourishing, not to mention the sun and the moon rising or falling the right way up, rising or falling sideways on to the right, rising or falling upside down, and or rising and falling sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left!
You are all 'nutcases'...
In the flat earth module - up is up, to the right is to the right, upside down is upside down, to the left sideways, is to the left sideways, and any varying degree of being upright, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, is simply just as it says or could be suggested that it is!
Those who believe in a globed earth module are absolutely bonkers!
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I honestly don't think you believe any of this stuff. Still, it's a free country, if you want to continue posting this nonsense, carry on. I'm done with this thread. By the way, my standard of living is achieved by working hard and SFA to do with the shape of the SPHERICAL planet.
Run away from the truth - that''s all you people can do, you have not been indoctrinated to accept the actual truth, you resort to tactics of ridicule to try and attack an opponent or somebody speaking about things which you are not suppose to know about, or take an interest in...
The following is true...Your view of reality, and those just like you - 'The earth is a globe, at anyone time there are observers stood on the face of the curved earth, who are standing the right way up, who are standing sideways on to the right, who are standing upside down, and who are standing sideways on to the left, and varying degrees the right way up, to the right, upside down, and to the left! Not only that / this, but depending upon who is doing the observing, an observer upon any part of the curved earth, can be the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of these positions! Lets take it further, just so we have the fuller picture, birds on one part of the curved earth, as opposed to and in relation to the position of birds upon or in another part of the curved earth. Birds flying the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, sideways on to the left, and varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left! It rains (according to the chosen masses, the special ones amongst us) the right way up in one part of the world, it rains sideways on to the right in another part of the world, it rains upside down in yet another part of the world, and it rains sideways on to the left in yet another different part of the world, or varying degrees of it raining down, sideways on to the right, up, and sideways on to the left! Lets take another example, of the nonsense which those who subscribe to the earth being a globed module commit their entire conscious mind to...
Aeroplanes fly the right way up, they fly sideways on to the right, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of flying the right way up, or flying sideways to the right, or flying upside down, and flying sideways onto the the left, all at the same time! Lets hit the nail on the head, an aeroplane could be flying the right way up, be flying sideways on to the right, be flying upside down, be flying sideways on to the left, at one and the same time, depending upon who is observing who?
The list is endless, insects walking, crawling, hopping, flying, and plants, shrubs and trees, growing and flourishing, not to mention the sun and the moon rising or falling the right way up, rising or falling sideways on to the right, rising or falling upside down, and or rising and falling sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left!
You are all 'nutcases'...
In the flat earth module - up is up, to the right is to the right, upside down is upside down, to the left sideways, is to the left sideways, and any varying degree of being upright, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, is simply just as it says or could be suggested that it is!
Those who believe in a globed earth module are absolutely bonkers!
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Nobody can be standing the right way up, or be standing sideways to the right, or standing upside down, and or, standing sideways to the left, or be standing at varying degrees of standing the right way up, standing sideways on to the right, standing upside down down, or standing sideways on to the left, at one and the exact same time, to suggest otherwise is total bunkum!
'Your Having a Laugh, surely'?
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Ok, you experimental subjects of the powers that be, so we have data being transferred via 'different types of technology', from different parts of the world to another!
Pictures, video, spread sheet, intelligence, almost anything you can begin to image possible (maybe the indoctrinated can't even think that far a head). This 'data', in the globed module, in whatever format, is supposedly transmitted, the right way up, it is transmitted sideways on to the right, it is transmitted upside down, it is transmitted sideways on to the left, all at the same time, or varying degrees of it being transmitted the right way up, being transmitted sideways on to the right, being transmitted upside down, and being transmitted sideways on to the left, all at the same time - 'Are you people for real?
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Ok, you experimental subjects of the powers that be, so we have data being transferred via 'different types of technology', from different parts of the world to another!
Pictures, video, spread sheet, intelligence, almost anything you can begin to image possible (maybe the indoctrinated can't even think that far a head). This 'data', in the globed module, in whatever format, is supposedly transmitted, the right way up, it is transmitted sideways on to the right, it is transmitted upside down, it is transmitted sideways on to the left, all at the same time, or varying degrees of it being transmitted the right way up, being transmitted sideways on to the right, being transmitted upside down, and being transmitted sideways on to the left, all at the same time - 'Are you people for real?
Could somebody from the indoctrinated side please explain to me in plain and basic English what programming exists in 'Information Technology' which switches data of this nature so that it is always received 'THE RIGHT WAY UP' at every location upon the earth by an observer, at one and the same time!!!
Please don't quote 'GRAVITY' because there no such thing as defined by the powers that be, and believed and accepted by the indoctrinated!!
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Could somebody from the indoctrinated side please explain to me in plain and basic English what programming exists in 'Information Technology' which switches data of this nature so that it is always received 'THE RIGHT WAY UP' at every location upon the earth by an observer, at one and the same time!!!
Please don't quote 'GRAVITY' because there no such thing as defined by the powers that be, and believed and accepted by the indoctrinated!!
WE are truly talking about 'electromagnetic forces' when Gravity is being spoken about!
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WE are truly talking about 'electromagnetic forces' when Gravity is being spoken about!
Lets put it this way, if every time the word 'gravity' is mentioned, you substituted it, and replaced 'it' by reference to 'ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE', that would be more accurate than what the powers that be have indoctrinated the masses, to believe and accept...
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There exists an 'ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD' around everything in existence upon the earth!, no matter how big, or how small...
'Gravity' doesn't exist in the format the masses have been brainwashed by...
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There exists an 'ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD' around everything in existence upon the earth!, no matter how big, or how small...
'Gravity' doesn't exist in the format the masses have been brainwashed by...
Any 'ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD' can be 'enhanced', or 'reduced' by technology which the powers that be (in whatever format, or presentation) affecting its existence in the real / true world...
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Nazi Germany 'had Scientists' and 'various experts' in different fields of expertise, working on this technique, 'before', and 'during' World War two...
The 'technique' in question related to the alteration of an objects 'electromagnetic field'..
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Nazi Germany 'had Scientists' and 'various experts' in different fields of expertise, working on this technique, 'before', and 'during' World War two...
The 'technique' in question related to the alteration of an objects 'electromagnetic field'..
There exists around and involving everything in existence having an 'electromagnetic field' around it, and relating to it...
The 'manipulation' of this 'electromagnetic field' of say one object or another, can 'merge' two or more objects into the same event horizon as easily as using a dial on a piece of equipment at their disposal...
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There exists around and involving everything in existence having an 'electromagnetic field' around it, and relating to it...
The 'manipulation' of this 'electromagnetic field' of say one object or another, can 'merge' two or more objects into the same event horizon as easily as using a dial on a piece of equipment at their disposal...
'WHO' are they?
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'WHO' are they?
'THEY' are those who I refer to as, 'the powers that be'...
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That's 13 successive posts that you've made, mostly just repeating what you've already stated, and ignoring my previous post. Nobody has ever suggested here or anywhere else that the earth is a globe module.
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That's 13 successive posts that you've made, mostly just repeating what you've already stated, and ignoring my previous post. Nobody has ever suggested here or anywhere else that the earth is a globe module.
It's rather difficult to properly debate something on which one has so little personal understanding that the best one can do is rely on what others have previously said. It helps though, to establish intellectual superiority, if it's possible to suggest that all previous knowledge is wrong.
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Your view of reality, and those just like you - 'The earth is a globe', at anyone time there are observers stood on the face of the curved earth, who are standing the right way up, who are standing sideways on to the right, who are standing upside down, and who are standing sideways on to the left, and varying degrees the right way up, to the right, upside down, and to the left! Not only that / this, but depending upon who is doing the observing, an observer upon any part of the curved earth, can be the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of these positions! Lets take it further, just so we have the fuller picture, birds on one part of the curved earth, as opposed to and in relation to the position of birds upon or in another part of the curved earth. Birds flying the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, sideways on to the left, and varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left! It rains (according to the chosen masses, the special ones amongst us) the right way up in one part of the world, it rains sideways on to the right in another part of the world, it rains upside down in yet another part of the world, and it rains sideways on to the left in yet another different part of the world, or varying degrees of it raining down, sideways on to the right, up, and sideways on to the left! Lets take another example, of the nonsense which those who subscribe to the earth being a globed module commit their entire conscious mind to...
Aeroplanes fly the right way up, they fly sideways on to the right, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of flying the right way up, or flying sideways to the right, or flying upside down, and flying sideways onto the the left, all at the same time! Lets hit the nail on the head, an aeroplane could be flying the right way up, be flying sideways on to the right, be flying upside down, be flying sideways on to the left, at one and the same time, depending upon who is observing who?
The list is endless, insects walking, crawling, hopping, flying, and plants, shrubs and trees, growing and flourishing, not to mention the sun and the moon rising or falling the right way up, rising or falling sideways on to the right, rising or falling upside down, and or rising and falling sideways on to the left, or varying degrees of the right way up, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left!
You are all 'nutcases'...
In the flat earth module - up is up, to the right is to the right, upside down is upside down, to the left sideways, is to the left sideways, and any varying degree of being upright, sideways on to the right, upside down, and sideways on to the left, is simply just as it says or could be suggested that it is!
Those who believe in a globed earth module are absolutely bonkers!
Yadda, yadda, yadda!
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Yadda, yadda, yadda!
You are brain dead!!!
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What pathetic individuals are all those who can't see the truth regarding the expedition to the south pole by Admiral Byrd, warships, reconnaissance aircraft, a destroyer, and just under 5,000 personnel, on their way to the south pole, to search for coal, oil, and other minerals? Are you joking? These trained American service men and the hardware they took to the south pole, went there to locate the Nazi base, and their objective was to destroy it! But, hey guess what, they were sent packing frightened out of their wits after being confronted by technology they knew nothing about!
Its about time people opened their eyes to what really took place!
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Do I think it was the Nazis that repelled Admiral Byrds expedition, on the 26th February, 1947?
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Do I think it was the Nazis that repelled Admiral Byrds expedition, on the 26th February, 1947?
No, I don't...
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Admiral Byrds expedition was sent packing by what can only be described in human terms as 'the force we all refer to', as 'god'!
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Admiral Byrds expedition was sent packing by what can only be described in human terms as 'the force we all refer to', as 'god'!
The Universal force that all religions refer to as 'GOD', repelled Admiral Byrds fleet from the south pole, and it was done for good reason, something which was not applied to the Nazis who fled there after the war, or as world war two was coming to an end (different motives between the Nazis, and the Americans, being present at the south pole)...
'GOD' as understood by all nations intervened and repelled Admiral Byrds expedition to the south pole, and the reason 'GOD' repelled them, rather than those, was based on motive! The Nazis were seeking a p[lace to retreat to in peace, whereas, the Americans went to the south pole to 'DESTROY'...
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The Universal force that all religions refer to as 'GOD', repelled Admiral Byrds fleet from the south pole, and it was done for good reason, something which was not applied to the Nazis who fled there after the war, or as world war two was coming to an end (different motives between the Nazis, and the Americans, being present at the south pole)...
'GOD' as understood by all nations intervened and repelled Admiral Byrds expedition to the south pole, and the reason 'GOD' repelled them, rather than those, was based on motive! The Nazis were seeking a p[lace to retreat to in peace, whereas, the Americans went to the south pole to 'DESTROY'...
Now, its about time you all recognised the reason why so many countries have signed up to the south pole treaty!
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Now, its about time you all recognised the reason why so many countries have signed up to the south pole treaty!
No country as 'breached' that treaty, yet some of its members have disputes with other countries away from the region of the south pole...
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No country (including the UK) dare not break such a treaty, because they know and are aware that if an American fleet compromising of Ships, reconnaissance aeroplanes, and just under 5,000 personnel were sent packing from that region of the south pole, that it is well advisable that lesser powerful countries than America do not dare to try and interfere!!!
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No country (including the UK) dare not break such a treaty, because they know and are aware that if an American fleet compromising of Ships, reconnaissance aeroplanes, and just under 5,000 personnel were sent packing from that region of the south pole, that it is well advisable that lesser powerful countries than America do not dare to try and interfere!!!
Here's my take on the matter, the situation - 'RESPECT THE FORCE' that to almost every nation, or religion, is referred to as 'GOD'...
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Here's my take on the matter, the situation - 'RESPECT THE FORCE' that to almost every nation, or religion, is referred to as 'GOD'...
If you try to tamper with 'GODLY' things, you are asking for trouble, for conflict, and you are as good as volunteering to die, or to be destroyed!
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It is not very often, that the 'GOD FORCE' interferes directly in human matters, but on the 26th February, 1947, 'it' did...
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It is not very often, that the 'GOD FORCE' interferes directly in human matters, but on the 26th February, 1947, 'it' did...
And the reason 'it' did, was because in Admiral Byrds expedition fleet ('its' purpose and 'its' goal), nurtured 'malice aforethought'...
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And the reason 'it' did, was because in Admiral Byrds expedition fleet ('its' purpose and 'its' goal), nurtured 'malice aforethought'...
In a nutshell, Byrds expedition fleet set out to locate the Nazi base, and to destroy it...
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In a nutshell, Byrds expedition fleet set out to locate the Nazi base, and to destroy it...
The attack upon Byrds fleet (26th February, 1947) was arguably one of the most significant events during the expedition, yet no ship log contents, no aeroplane log contents have ever yet been disclosed! Moreover, the names of all the personnel who ended up being killed during the so called UFO attack has, for whatever reason or purpose, never yet been officially acknowledged...
This failure by the powers that be, demonstrates in the clearest possible terms that the powers that be don't give a flying fuck about any victim because what is utmost in their goal is to retain power, over everybody else!!!
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The attack upon Byrds fleet (26th February, 1947) was arguably one of the most significant events during the expedition, yet no ship log contents, no aeroplane log contents have ever yet been disclosed! Moreover, the names of all the personnel who ended up being killed during the so called UFO attack has, for whatever reason or purpose, never yet been officially acknowledged...
This failure by the powers that be, demonstrates in the clearest possible terms that the powers that be don't give a flying fuck about any victim because what is utmost in their goal is to retain power, over everybody else!!!
Maybe somebody could acquire a comprehensive list of all personnel that set out in the expedition, and all those who returned, and the date of the deaths of all the victims (only then will it be possible to flush out the truth from the so called powers that be)!
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You are brain dead!!!
I'm not the one posting about the earth being flat, something i don't even think you believe. You know nothing about me so your opinion on my intellect holds about as much water and credibility as your repeated posting in respect to a flat earth and claims that Bryd encountered the X files in Antarctica!
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On 11th January, mike tesko posted "it is the earth which spins on its own axis".
On 13th January, mike tesko posted "It is a deception to say that the earth turns and spins on its own axis".
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On 11th January, mike tesko posted "it is the earth which spins on its own axis".A misinterpretation of what I was referring to, since the sun and the moon rotate around the flat earth in a circular motion, the stars are set around the 'north Star'. There is a link between the position of the 'north Star' in the 'firmament', and the middle section of the flat earth around which the sun and the moon rise and fall. It is the stars which appear to turn upon the axis of the 'north Star', which creates an impression that the flat earth is turning on its own axis...
On 13th January, mike tesko posted "It is a deception to say that the earth turns and spins on its own axis As I have just explained, and another way of putting it, is that a spinning flat earth is merely illusional, for the reasons explained above!
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I'm not the one posting about the earth being flat, something i don't even think you believe. You know nothing about me so your opinion on my intellect holds about as much water and credibility as your repeated posting in respect to a flat earth and claims that Bryd encountered the X files in Antarctica!
The earth is flat, and it's well documented that Admiral Byrd and his depleted fleet scurried from the South Pole on the 26th February 1947, and video footage of the attack upon his fleet exists which I have drawn your attention to, but like all other things where evidence exists to prove what I say, you choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit in with the way you have been brainwashed to think by the system!
Furthermore, Admiral Byrd and his depleted fleet with the loss of many lives, scurried away from the south pole after being attacked, by the ship's which survived and the planes which survived, and the personnel who survived, sailing, flying, and all standing 'the right way up' until they got to safety! Nobody was sailing upside down, nobody was flying upside down, and nobody was standing upside down! The disks which emerged out of the seas did not emerge downward from the seas above them, which on a globed earth module would need to be the case! Ships sailed away from the south pole the right way up, planes flew the right way up, and people stood the right way up, in accordance with the earth being flat!
The globed earth module is too complicated!
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A misinterpretation of what I was referring to, since the sun and the moon rotate around the flat earth in a circular motion
If the sun and the moon rotate around the earth in a circular motion, why did you write "making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth" on 11th January?
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video footage of the attack upon his fleet exists
Are you saying that someone made a video recording of that attack while it was occurring? Who did that?
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If the sun and the moon rotate around the earth in a circular motion, why did you write "making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth" on 11th January?
Because its an 'illusion', the earth is not a globe and the sun and the moon do not rotate around the earth (as in the earth is a globe), they circulate above the flat earth, another way of putting it would be to say that the sun and the moon rotate above the flat earth, and some people could be easily confused into believing or thinking that this somehow establishes that the earth is a globe, and that it is not flat in orientation...
Sometimes, it may not be possible to give the full meaning and interpretation to what is said, what needs to be said, or what could be said, in a sentence! Where such issues fall to be interpreted it may require a paragraph of words and sentences to get the intended message across - the instances you have sought to point out here, are examples of such a matter in question...
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Are you saying that someone made a video recording of that attack while it was occurring? Who did that?
Why, 'YES' of course, try to find time to watch the video footage which forms part of the Russian Documentary about the 'UFO attack upon Admiral Byrds Fleet' on the '26th February 1947'...
Here is the link, the documentary lasts about 44 minutes...
I think the 'Americans themselves videoed the attack', and 'Russia' by one means or another 'obtained access to it'
(1) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw
I think you will find that The UK, Russia and America were all signed up to the south pole treaty, banning military activity in Antarctica, and this is how Russia obtained access to the footage of the attack upon Admiral Byrds fleet on the 26th February, 1947...
Here's a link confirming this:-
(2) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System
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Because its an 'illusion', the earth is not a globe and the sun and the moon do not rotate around the earth (as in the earth is a globe), they circulate above the flat earth, another way of putting it would be to say that the sun and the moon rotate above the flat earth, and some people could be easily confused into believing or thinking that this somehow establishes that the earth is a globe, and that it is not flat in orientation...
That doesn't explain why "making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth" is immediately followed by "but it is the earth which spins on its own axis".
Your original sentence began with the words "The flat earth", so it was very unlikely that someone would make the misunderstanding that you were somehow suggesting a globe-shaped earth later in the same sentence. Adding that "but" clause has no connection with your explanation and simply added an assertion that you later described as deceptive and incorrect. The impression given is that either you wanted to confuse others or you accidentally became confused and didn't write what you were thinking.
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That doesn't explain why "making it appear that the sun, moon and planets rotate around the body of the earth" is immediately followed by "but it is the earth which spins on its own axis".
Your original sentence began with the words "The flat earth", so it was very unlikely that someone would make the misunderstanding that you were somehow suggesting a globe-shaped earth later in the same sentence. Adding that "but" clause has no connection with your explanation and simply added an assertion that you later described as deceptive and incorrect. The impression given is that either you wanted to confuse others or you accidentally became confused and didn't write what you were thinking.
It's very easy for one to become confused when one is trying to confuse others with information about which one has little or no understanding.
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. . . the Russian Documentary . . .
To search for further information, search for "Tretiy reykh: Operatsiya 'NLO'", but there seems to be limited information.
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Many of my responses are being interfered with by the powers that be, but they will not deter me from pursuing the truth!
I have listed several in depth responses which never get posted, and which cannot be retrieved! In some instances, words are being changed and sentences made incomplete - I therefore reserve the right to be able to rectify that which does get posted, to which anybody tries to hold me accountable for! I can think for myself, and talk for myself...
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From now on, this day forward, I will try to answer any points or queries, with attachments in my own handwriting for the purpose of the powers that be, or those responsible for interfering with my responses, replies, from doing that which they appear to be experts at altering! I still (also) shall endeavour to reply from time to time in the so called 'normal manner',...
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(1) - http://nesaranews.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/antarctica-nazi-base-during-ww-ii-aliens.html
Wednesday, August 13, 2014
ANTARCTICA - A NAZI BASE DURING WW II - Aliens??!!!
2014-08-13
ANTARCTICA - A NAZI BASE DURING WW II - Aliens??!!!
Vatic Note: This is a must watch videos, this one above in my VN and one below after the first article. The last one is the most detailed and it was produced by Russians with subtitles in english and covers the period of 1945 to later, and covers the potential existance of aliens. Watch this video in the VN from one source and then read this article below from another source and see how much it matches...... I have been fascinated with this whole issue of Hitler and the Antarctic for a long time and I put up a series of blogs on it way back when, and many had disappeared from the blog, so, since the evil ones care so much about it, then I thought I would do it again.
The LAST VIDEO IS THE COUP DE GRACE and well worth the watch.
I have much to say about all this, since our people did project paper clip and took these nazi scientists in to this country after WW II. So what else did the nazi's give them? Alien technology? Is this why Hitler was preoccupied with the Aryan race? Were they either aliens or hybrids? I don't know but something triggered his involvement with the Thule Society and the Vril society as well, which were both occult and some what spacey secret societies.
Is this why the khazars appear to be inhuman? Is this why the geoengineering in our earth atmospheric space? Who knows, but this information is fascinating enough to put up for my regular readers and those visiting for the first time. Remember, the air force announced about a year ago and we posted it on here, that they now had anti-gravity technology for space ships. In fact, they admitted that they had a space ship in space that was the size of a full air craft carrier. Enjoy. Our space division is under the US Navy, as is NASA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t6k06bOjse8
Anyway, watch the video above and read this below and decide for yourselves.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/antarctica/antartica24.htm
by Jim Marrs
from GreyFalcon Website
With the current mysterious happenings in Antarctica concerning Lake Vostok, an old theory is being resurrected - that German Nazis as early as the 1930s may have built a secret base at the South Pole.
While this idea undoubtedly will strike most people as absurd, there is tantalizing evidence to suggest that something along this line might have some truth to it.
Long-standing banking and business connections allowed high-ranking German leaders in 1944 to forge a formidable Nazi-controlled organization for postwar activities.
Author Jim Keith wrote,
"...in researching the shape of totalitarian control during this century, I saw that the plans of the Nazis manifestly did not die with the German loss of World War II. The ideology and many of the principal players survived and flourished after the war, and have had a profound impact on postwar history, and on events taking place today."
Orvis A. Schmidt, the U.S. Treasury Department’s director of Foreign Funds Control, in 1945 offered this description of a Nazi flight-capital program:
"The network of trade, industrial, and cartel organizations has been streamlined and intermeshed, not only organizationally but also by what has been officially described as ‘Personnel Union’.
Legal authority to operate this organizational machinery has been vested in the concerns that have majority capacity in the key industries such as those producing iron and steel, coal and basic chemicals. These concerns have been deliberately welded together by exchanges of stock to the point where a handful of men can make policy and other decisions that affect us all." (VN: it appears he is talking about the 13 bloodlines, since they control chemical (Dupont), stock brokerage houses,(Rothschild/JP Morgan etc, natural resources extractions such as coal, oil, iron, then converting it to steel.)
Could one of those "decisions" have been the creation of a Nazi base connected to the development of UFOs? While this notion may superficially appear to be sheer nonsense, the public record offers compelling - if incomplete - evidence to support this idea.
One theory is that Martin Bormann and other top Nazis escaped to South America and on to a secret base in Antarctica where they built UFOs so sophisticated that their secret Nazi empire has exerted significant control over world events and governments to this day.
While there can be no question that the business and financial network created by Bormann wields a certain amount of power even today, evidence for the existence of a major Nazi base containing UFOs is virtually nonexistent, consisting primarily of the known exploration of Antarctica’s Queen Maude Land - renamed Neuschwabenland by the Germans - in 1938 and some unverified statements.
Reportedly, German Navy Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz stated in 1943:
"The German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Führer in another part of the world a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress."
And it has been reported that U.S. Admiral Richard Byrd, upon his return from an expedition to Antarctica in 1947, stated it was,
".....necessary for the USA to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that America could be "attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole to the other with incredible speed."
Advancing the idea that the Nazis continually shipped men and material to the South Pole throughout the war years, author R. A. Harbinson wrote:
"Regarding the possibility of the Germans building self-sufficient underground research factories in the Antarctic, it has only to be pointed out that the underground research centers of Nazi Germany were gigantic feats of construction, containing wind tunnels, machine shops, assembly plants, launching pads, supply dumps and accommodation for all who worked there, including adjoining camps for slaves - and yet very few people knew that they existed."
But, while tales of a secret Nazi base in Antarctica may appear plausible to some, the idea that a warm water location at the South Pole has remained undiscovered and no one has escaped or deserted the place in more than 50 years stretched belief to the breaking point in years past.
But with the new revelations of 60-70 degree temperature water, magnetic anomalies suggesting the possibility of a hidden city or base and the obvious back out taking place concerning current events at the pole, the idea of a secret base is no longer so far fetched.
Rumors began to circulate that whilst Germany had been defeated, a selection of military personnel and scientists had fled the fatherland as allied troops swept across mainland Europe, and had established themselves at a secret base on the Antarctic continent, from where they continued to develop their advanced aircraft technology.
Furthermore, it is interesting to note that at the end of the war, the allies determined that there were 250,000 Germans unaccounted for - even taking into account casualties and deaths.
Could Neu Schwabenland have been a permanently manned German base at that time?
The brackish water of the warm (30 degrees) lakes virtually confirmed that all had an outlet to the sea and would thus have been a haven for U-boats. The two ice-free mountain ranges in Neu Schwabenland presented no worse an underground tunneling project for Organization Todt than anything they had encountered and overcome in Norway.
The Germans were the world's experts at building and inhabiting underground metropolis.
At the end of the war the United States gave anything concerning Ohrdruf a top secret classification for 100 years upwards. The fact that there had been substantial underground workings there, and Ohrdruf was the location of the last Redoubt, was concealed absolutely. Fortunately for researchers, in 1962 the DDR had taken sworn depositions from all local residents during an investigation into wartime Ohrdruf, and upon the reunification of the two Germanys in 1989, these documents became available to all and sundry at Arnstadt municipal archive.
From the Arnstadt documents it is clear that the Charite Anlage unit operated in a three-story underground bunker with floors 70 by 20 meters.
When working, the device emitted some kind of energy field which shut down all electrical equipment and non-diesel engines within a range of about eight miles. For this reason, even though Ohrdruf was crawling with SS, it was never photographed from the air nor bombed. Declassified USAF documents dated early 1945 admit the existence of an unknown energy field over Frankfurt/Main "and other locations" which "fantastic though it may appear" were able to "interfere with our aircraft engines at 30,000 feet."
Ohrdruf rebuilt below Neu Schwabenland during the last two years of the war would not have been difficult, and since Charite Anlage had the highest priority of anything in the Third Reich, it seems likely that it must have been.
Such a base would have been impregnable, for the suggestion is that the force-field worked in various ways favorable to the occupants.
Scary Secrets of the Third Reich's Base in Antarctica
A remarkable event occurred in 1999, but only specialists paid adequate attention to it.
A research expedition discovered a virus in Antarctica; at that, neither people nor animals had immunity to the virus. After all, Antarctica is far away, for this very reason the virus cannot be dangerous for the rest of the planet, especially since the dangerous discovery was deep in the permafrost.
However, scientists say that against the background of a global warming threatening the Earth, the unknown virus can cause an awful catastrophe on the planet.
Expert Tom Starmerue from the University of New York also shares the pessimistic forecasts of his colleagues.
"We don't know what the mankind will face in the South Pole in the nearest time due to the global warming. It is not ruled out that an unbelievable catastrophe may break out. Viruses protected with a protein cover survive even in the permafrost; as soon as the temperature gets warmer they will immediately start reproducing."
American scientists treated the Antarctica discovery very seriously and even organized a special expedition that currently tests the ice for unknown viruses in order to develop an antidote in good time.
What is the source of the virus in Antarctica where only penguins can survive in the ice? There is no answer to the question, specialists are at a loss. However, several theories concerning the problem have been put forward.
A majority of scientists are inclined to believe that prehistoric forms of life probably survived in the permafrost. But some specialists blame bonzes of the Third Reich for delivery of a secretly developed bacteriological weapon to Antarctica. And this theory arose not in a vacuum. It is known that already in 1938 Nazis suddenly became interested in Antarctica, they organized two expeditions to the area in 1938-1939.
At first, planes of the Third Reich took detailed pictures of unexplored territories and then they dropped several thousands of metal pennons with swastika there. The whole of the explored territory was called Neuschwabenland and was considered a part of the Third Reich.
After the expedition, Captain Ritscher reported to Field-Marshal Göring:
"The planes dropped the pennons 25 kilometers apart; we covered the area of about 8.600 thousand square meters. 350 thousand square meters of them were photographed."
In 1943, Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz dropped a remarkable phrase:
"Germany's submarine fleet is proud that it created an unassailable fortress for the Führer on the other end of the world."
It highly likely means that Nazis were building a secret base in Antarctica within 1938-1943.
Submarines were mostly used for transportation of necessary freight to the place. As specialists for the Third Reich wrote, at the end of WWII the submarines were relieved of their torpedo arms in the port of Kiel and then were loaded with containers with different goods. The submarines also received passengers whose faces were hidden behind surgical bands.
Wilhelm Bernhard was commander of one of the submarines, U-530; the submarine left the port of Kiel on April 13, 1945. When it reached the shores of Antarctica, 16 members from the crew built an ice cave and put boxes into the cave; it was allegedly said that the boxes contained relics of the Third Reich, including Hitler's documents and personal stuff. The operation was code named Valkyrie-2. (VN: I believe Wilhelm Bernhard was the creator of the Bilderberg group, or he has the same name as the person who did do it.)
When the operation was over on July 10, 1945, the submarine U-530 entered the Argentinean port of Mar-del-Plata and surrendered to the authorities.
It is also supposed that another submarine from the formation, U-977, under the command of Heinz Schäffer delivered the remains of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun to Neuschwabenland. It followed the route of the U-530 submarine and called at Antarctica. The submarine arrived in Mar-del-Plata on August 17, 1945.
But the version of Wilhelm Bernhard and Heinz Schäffer saying that the submarines delivered relics to the Antarctica shores (both captains told it at the interrogations held by the American and British intelligence services) seems rather dubious. It is unlikely that the serious operation was designed only for the sake of delivery of the Third Reich documents and relics.
Later, special services seized a confidential letter of Captain Schäffer to his friend, Captain Wilhelm Bernhard who obviously planned to publish his memoirs. The letter was dated with June 1, 1983.
It runs as follows:
"Dear Willy,
I was thinking if it is reasonable to publish your manuscript concerning the U-530. The three submarines that took part in that operation (U-977, U-530 and U-465) are currently at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Isn't it better to leave them there? My old friend, think about it! Think please how then my book will look when you publish your memoirs (after, WWII Heinz Schäffer wrote a book named "U-977").
We all made an oath to keep the secret; we did nothing wrong, we just obeyed the orders and fought for our loved Germany and its survival. Please think again: isn't it better to picture everything as a fable? What results do you plan to achieve with your revelations?
Think about it, please. "
Even 40 years after the events, Heinz insisted that Bernhard mustn't say the truth. Is it possible that the submarines delivered something more dangerous to the continent, not Hitler's documents?
Could it be the bacteriological weapon traces of which were discovered in Antarctica as unknown viruses in the permafrost last year?
NEUBERLIN
If you had been a Wehrmacht soldier at the bombed-out railroad station in Poltava, a city in the Ukraine, during the summer of 1942, you may have seen a very strange-looking military unit on the march, heading for a waiting passenger train.
The unit consisted of women, all of them blond and blue-eyed, between the ages of 17 and 24, tall and slender, their sensational figures encased in striking sky-blue uniforms.
Each woman wore an Italian-style garrison cap, an A-line skirt with the hem below the knee, and a form-fitting jacket with the insignia of the SS. You might have thought the SS had recruited a platoon of high-class call girls, but the truth was far stranger than that. You would have been looking at Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler's latest brainstorm - the Antarktische Siedlungnsfrauen [Antarctic Settlement Women or ASF].
The story actually begins in 1938, when the German seaplane carrier Schwabenland sailed across the South Atlantic, bound for Queen Maud's Land in Antarctica.
According to Russian ufologist Konstantin Ivanenko,
"The Schwabenland sailed to Antarctica, commanded by Albert Richter, a veteran of cold-weather operations. The Richter expedition's scientists used their large Dornier seaplanes to explore the polar wastes, emulating Admiral Richard E. Byrd's efforts a decade earlier.
The German scientists discovered ice-free lakes (heated by underground volcanic features) and were able to land on them. It is widely believed that the Schwabenland's expedition was aimed at scouting out a secret base of operations."
A German base was established in the Muhlig-Hofmann Mountains, just inland from the Princess Astrid Coast. The area was renamed Neuschwabenland (New Swabia) and "the base was known only as Station 211.
From the movie Schindler's List, people have gotten the idea that killing Jews was the Nazis' main concern. But in actual fact, Hitler and the SS were just as ruthless with the rest of the population in their eastern European empire, thinking nothing of shuffling large numbers of people around in their quest for a more perfect Aryan race.
This shuffle was accomplished by a little-known office of the SS called the Rasse und Siedlungshauptamt (German for Race and Settlement Bureau) or RuSHA. In the Ukraine alone, RuSHA drafted 500,000 women for forced labor in the munitions factories of Nazi Germany.
It was RuSHA which selected women for Himmler's unit of Antarktische Siedlungsfrauen (Antarctic Settlement Women) About half of the "recruits" were Volksdeutsch-ethnic Germans whose ancestors had settled in the Ukraine in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries. The others were native Ukrainians whom RuSHA had "upgraded" to full Aryans.
This process was called Eindeutschung (Germanization).
According to Ivanenko,
"There is increased popularity for the idea of a 'German-Slavonic Antarctic Reich.' It is said that 10,000 of the 'racially most pure' Ukrainians, out of half a million deported in 1942 by Martin Bormann, were transported to the German Antarctic bases during World War II, in the proportion of four Ukrainian women to one German man."
If true, this would mean that Himmler transferred 2,500 Waffen-SS soldiers, who had proven themselves in combat on the Russian front, to Station 211 - now Neuschwabenland - in Antarctica. This may be the source of the myth of the "Last SS Battalion."
An ASF training camp was set up in Estonia, on a peninsula near Ristna on Hiiumaa Island in the Baltic Sea. It was a combination finishing school and boot camp, where the ladies took lessons in charm and housekeeping along with their courses in polar survival. Himmler kept the camp's existence a closely-guarded secret. For "unhappy campers," the only escape consisted of a one-way train ticket to Auschwitz.
(There is one known instance of an ASF "deserter." In 1943, Auschwitz guard Irma Griese, 22, the off-and-on girl friend of Dr. Josef Mengele, took to wearing a sky-blue ASF uniform, which she had scavenged from a pile of inmate clothing. Griese was hanged in 1946 for war crimes. The uniform's original owner must have had serious second thoughts about a permanent move to Antarctica).
The failure of Grossadmiral Karl Dönitz's U-boat offensive by May 1943 freed up dozens of "milk cow" U- boats. These were large submarines, almost as big as tramp steamers, which Dönitz had used to supply his U- boat "wolf packs" in remote seas of the world. Himmler now put them to work carting supplies and personnel to Antarctica.
Himmler's rationale for sending thousands of settlers to Antarctica can only be understood within the context of his mystic beliefs. As a result of his youthful reading of New Age books, his association with the occultist Dr. Friedrich Wichtl, and his membership in the Artamen, Himmler became a believer in the Hindu concept of world-ages or yugas. He believed that the current age, or Kali Yuga, would end in a global cataclysm, thereby giving birth to a new world-age called the Satya Yuga.
By sending a Nazi colony to Antarctica, Himmler was ensuring that a remnant of the "pure Aryan race" would survive the coming cataclysm with its society and culture intact. They would then take possession of Antarctica when the cataclysm melted the south polar ice cap.
According to believers, the Neuschwabenland colony survived not only the end of World War II, but a full on battle with the 3,500 Marines and aircraft of Operation High Jump.
In 2003 Ivanenko wrote:
"The total population of Nazis in Antarctica now exceeds two million and that many of them have undergone plastic surgery in order to move about with greater ease through South America and conduct all manner of business transactions."
He called the Antarctic Reich,
"one of the most militarily powerful states in the world because it can destroy the USA several times over with its submarine-based nuclear missiles, remaining itself invulnerable to U.S. nuclear strikes because of the two-mile-thick ice shield."
Further, he claims that the city of Neu Berlin, the colony's capital, sprawls through "narrow sub-glacial tunnels" under an unnamed mountain range, heated by "volcanic vents."
The ufologist also makes the claim that Neu Berlin adjoins,
"the prehistoric ruins of Kadath, which may have been built by settlers from the lost continent of Atlantis well over 100,000 years ago."
Still other fringe researchers claim that the actual ruins of Atlantis have been found - and possibly reoccupied - under the Antarctic ice. Some say that Atlantis is located near one of the 70 or so warm water lakes that have been discovered miles beneath the Polar Ice Sheet, such as Lake Vostok near the Russian base at the Pole of Inaccessibility.
Another of the oft made claims about Neuberlin is that the city has an Alien Quarter, where Pleiadians, Zeta Reticulans, Reptoids, Men In Black, Aldebarani and other visitors from the stars dwell. As we have seen, the Nazis were working on some very advanced aircraft, some of which may have been capable of leaving the earth's atmosphere.
Some researchers are convinced that the Nazis did indeed make it to the moon, and even Mars. Could they have made contact with space aliens once they left the earth? Or, could their rockets, foo-fighters and disk aircraft have attracted aliens to visit them?
A claim floats around in modern U.F.O. lore that an extraterrestrial craft with anti-gravity propulsion crashed in the Schwarzwald in the summer 1936, and was recovered by the Nazis who back-engineered it, thus explaining their flying saucer program. This parallels stories of a similarly recovered crashed "saucer" near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, the American back-engineering of which supposedly led to the discovery of the transistor (patented by Bell Laboratories the following year), fiber-optics and other exotic technologies.
Ivanenko reported that talk about the Antarctic Reich is "becoming more and more popular" in Russia, Poland, the Ukraine, Belarus and other countries in eastern Europe.
He writes,
"In the May 10, 2003 issue of the (newspaper) 'Frankfurter Allgemeine', Polish journalist A. Stagjuk criticized Poland's decision to send troops to Iraq" to assist with the Allied occupation.
"At the end, he said, 'The next Polish government will sign a treaty with Antarctica and declare war on the USA.'"
Ivanenko added that Stagjuk's words were broadcast on the shortwave radio station Deutsche Welle the same week.
"Some analysts compared this sentence to famous code phrases which started wars in the Twentieth Century, such as 'Over all of Spain, the sky is cloudless' in 1936, and 'Climb Mount Niitaka' in 1941.
("Climb Mount Niitaka" was the signal Admiral Yamamoto sent to Kido Butai, the Imperial Japanese Navy's fleet, to begin the attack on Pearl Harbor.)"
It is strange to think of a large population living under the ice of Antarctica, totally divorced from the "mainstream" world.
Then again, there are Jivaro indigenous people living on Lago de Yanayacu (lake), less than 50 kilometers (30 miles) east of Iquitos, Peru, who have never heard of Courtney Love.
· So, is there a city under the ice inhabited by the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the original SS settlers?
· Or is it just an urban legend stemming from the chaotic conditions that prevailed in Europe during World War II?
Some day we may know for certain.
NASA AND US NAVY CONDUCT A CLANDESTINE SEARCH IN ANTARCTICA
On December 30, 1946, a U.S. Navy patrol plane with a crew of nine, mapping the Antarctic coast as part of a military effort called Operation High Jump crashed in a snowstorm after its radar failed to detect a slope not shown on the charts.
Now the U.S. Navy, piggybacking on scientific explorations of western Antarctica, has begun an effort to locate the plane and recover the remains of the crew members who died.
The crew members and their plane were part of what remains to this day the largest expedition ever in Antarctica, Operation High Jump, which was led by the renowned polar explorer, Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, and consisted of 13 ships, 23 aircraft and 4,700 men.
According to a 1946 Navy memorandum, the mission's goal was 'consolidating and extending U.S. sovereignty over Antarctic areas, investigating possible base sites and extending scientific knowledge in general.'
With the Cold War turning more frigid by the month, the venture unnerved the Soviet Union. The Soviet whaling fleet had just begun plying Antarctic waters, and a military publication called Red Fleet warned darkly that the operation was proof 'American military circles are seeking to subject the polar regions to their control.'
Argentina and Chile were none too happy, either. Both countries had their own overlapping claims to areas extending from the tip of South America. Their fears of an American incursion were heightened when Chile asked Washington's permission to send an observer along, but was turned down.
In their books, written in the 1970s, Wilhelm Landig and "outcast ufologist" Ernst Zündel claimed that Operation High Jump was literally "the last battle of World War II."
In Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions (1978) and Hitler at the South Pole (1979), Zündel claimed that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had founded an SS colony in Antarctica called Neuschwabenland. The base, known as Point 211, eventually became the Antarctic Reich.
Opinion is sharply divided about the final fate of Neuschwabenland. Some argue that the Nazis abandoned their Antarctic sanctuary in the 1960s and moved to sites in the Andes.
Another group claims that the Antarctic Reich still exists and has grown into "a civilization under the ice," home to about 3 million people of German and Ukrainian descent. It's supposed to be somewhere in the Mühlig-Hoffman Mountains, adjacent to the ruins of Kadath, a city founded by settlers from the lost continent of Atlantis.
The Redemptionists believe that Adolf Hitler escaped from Berlin in April 1945, traveled to southern Argentina in a U-boat, and from there traveled to Neuschwabenland in a Nazi flying saucer. Hitler supposedly lived in Antarctica until 1952, when he reportedly traveled to the moon and met with aliens from space.
These aliens took him to Aldebaran, 68 light-years from Earth. According to the legend, some day Hitler will return with an Aldebarani space armada.
On November 27, 2004, the Navy undertook "the initial flight... to try to locate the wreckage of the George 1," the plane that crashed in 1946.
The search flight,
"was a joint one, conducted aboard a Chilean Navy Orion P-3 aircraft with a Chilean crew and NASA scientists working together."
"This wasn't just a routine task for us," said Capt. Christian Aldunate, the senior Chilean pilot on the recovery flight.
"It was a challenge to find clues that could help locate the plane, even though we knew it would be almost impossible to get at it because of the ice and snow that had piled up over so many years."
During an 11-hour flight from and back to Punta Arenas, in the extreme south of Chile, the search plane dipped as low as 500 feet (150 meters) over Thurston Island so scientists could use radar and laser beams to try to locate the remains of the U.S. Navy PBM (Martin) Mariner seaplane.
"Even today it's not easy, but we can rely on information from satellite photos, GPS systems and wind predictions," Aldunate said, referring to global positioning networks.
"But from the time they took off until the time they arrived in the area, they had no idea what to expect."
Though little known in the outside world, the three men who died in the (1946) crash - Wendell K. Hendersin, Maxwell Lopez and Frederick Williams - are still celebrated in Antarctica as heroes.
At McMurdo Station, a U.S. research base on the edge of the Ross Ice Shelf, there is a plaque to honor the men, the first Americans to die on any of Byrd's many expeditions.
(See the Duluth, Minn. News-Tribune for January 2, 2005, "Navy tries to find plane lost in Antarctica 58 years ago").
There are lines of magnetic force emanating from the South Magnetic Pole. What is strange about the North and South Poles is the way in which the magnetic lines of force move.
The magnetic lines of force originate from a "hole" just off the coast of Antarctica.
There are Chilean and Peruvian scientists/bases being near or along the route of UFOs emanating from inside the Earth.
Many UFOs fly directly south-north along South America. If one draws a line from South America, through the Antarctic bases of Chile, etc through the South Pole to the South Magnetic pole - then you get a straight line. What's interesting about this potential "UFO route" is that UFOs coming from Inside the Earth would end up flying over the America South Pole base.
However, the line of flight is such that the only places in the Antarctic where you'd stand a chance of seeing these UFOs is in the "Weddell sea" area where South American countries have their bases and at the Scott Base at the South Pole.
The other parts of the UFO route is somewhat offset from the commonly traveled routes and so there's little chance of running into UFOs by accident at any other places. That would explain why the US Govt doesn't like visitors to the South Pole base: It's not that the hole is AT or NEAR the South Pole base (as we originally thought), but along the route from the real hole in the oceans off the coast.
Bob Borino, in his article, 'UFO Bases Found in Antarctica' (Globe, Jan. 18, 1983) quotes from certain scientists who believe that a subterranean UFO Base is located beneath the strange 'Polynya Sea' in the Antarctica's Weddell Sea region.
The French Agence France Press on 25 September 1946, said:
"The continuous rumors about German U-boat activity in the region of Tierra del Fuego (Feuerland, in German), between the southernmost tip OF LATIN AMERICA AND THE CONTINENT OF ANTARCTICA are based on true happenings."
The newspaper 'France Soir' had the following account:
"Almost 1-1/2 years. AFTER cessation of hostilities in Europe, the Islandic Whaler, "Juliana" was stopped by a large German U-boat. The Juliana was in the ANTARCTIC region around Malvinas [now Falkland] Islands when a German submarine surfaced and raised the German official naval Flag of Mourning -- red with a black edge.
The submarine commander sent out a boarding party, which approached the Juliana in a rubber dinghy, and having boarded the whaler demanded of Capt. Hekla part of his fresh food stocks. The request was made in the definite tone of an order to which resistance would have been unwise. The German officer spoke a correct English and paid for his provisions in U.S. dollars, giving the Captain a bonus of $10 for each member of the Juliana crew.
Whilst the food stuffs were being transferred to the submarine, the submarine commander informed Capt. Hekla of the exact location of a large school of whales. Later the Juliana found the school of whales where designated."
To address that 1947 story. To this day there has never been any Icelandic whaler in the South Atlantic, let alone in the Antarctica. No Icelandic ship has ever been named Juliana and Hekla is an active volcano in Iceland, not a last name.
99% of all Icelandic last names for males end in ”-son”.
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The Hitler-in-Argentina tale is an old one. It first surfaced in a book by Ladislao Szabo entitled "Hitler Esta Vivo" (Spanish for Hitler Is Alive) back in 1947.
A second book by Michael X. Barton was published in 1969 entitled "We Want You: Is Hitler Alive?" Then Ernst Zündel took up the banner in 1974. Out of these books has sprung the "Saucer Nazi" theories.
Both theories agree that Hitler escaped from the Führerbunker in Berlin and fled to Argentina in a U-boat. However, believers in the Antarctic Reich theory contend that Hitler left Argentina in the early 1950s and moved to Neuschwabenland, an SS colony under the ice of Antarctica, right next to the prehistoric ruins of Kadath.
Here, they say, Adolf lived out his life, resuming his artist's career and painting a series of Antarctic icescapes.
Prior to World War II German scientists were obsessed with Antarctica. Far from finding a desolate wasteland covered with ice, the Germans discovered ice-free areas, warm water lakes and cavern systems.
The following passage refers to German efforts to claim a region of Antarctica after Norwegian expeditions in the 1920's and 30's:
"After these expeditions the Germans also got interested in Queen Maud land [or "Neuschwabenland" as referred to by the Germans], and planned an expedition to declare it as theirs... Anyway, it is still lying there as a remote ice-shelf with lots of high mountains over the glacier. Truly a beautiful land.
Queen Maud land is dominated by the giant shelf of ice, flowing slowly from King Haakon VII - plateau over the South Pole, down to the ocean. This area is called "Fenriskjeften" after the mouth of the giant Devil-wolf in Norse mythology. According to this mythology Fenris' (the wolf) teeth were very sharp, and they would kill all people on Earth during Ragnarok - the end of the world.
Most of the mountains in Fenriskjeften have names with analogies to teeth, or to other parts of the Norse."
The use of wolf symbology is interesting as it touches upon a theme in Nazi symbology which used the wolf as a totem of the hunter-killer: Hitler's retreat in Berchtesgaden, Bavaria was nicknamed "Wolf's Lair" and the tactic used by German U-Boats to defeat convoys during the War was called "Wolfpack."
Germany also had allies in South America and South Africa. Many Nazis fled to Argentina following the war and South Africa resembled a Nazi state as racial minorities [including Indians as well as blacks] were subjected to apartheid.
Hitler's dream was of a "Thousand-year Reich." Is this a thinly-veiled counterpart to Jesus' Millennial Kingdom? Allied pilots reported seeing "foo fighters" during the latter stages of the World War II. These craft appeared and vanished at incredible speeds and created electrical and magnetic anomalies when close to allied aircraft. These craft are similar to "flying saucers" that were reported initially in 1947.
Nazi leaders were known for their obsession with the occult, including astrology and ancient relics. Remember the Indiana Jones movies that used Nazi quests for the holiest relics of the Judeo Christian faith? These movies are based on the occultic practices of Nazis. One relic they were fascinated with [and may possess] was the "Spear of Destiny" that pierced Christ's side on Golgotha.
The next movie in the Indiana Jones series is tentatively titled "Indiana Jones and the Lost Continent" an allusion to Atlantis - the antediluvian civilization destroyed by God's flood in Genesis Chapter 6 after the daughters of men were taken by the sons of God as their wives [a reference to "fallen angels"?]
Hitler's corpse was never found. Recent reports of "opened KGB files" assert that Hitler's bones were kept and then destroyed by Soviet intelligence. But the current incarnation of Russia is a wolf in sheep's clothing and there is little faith in the KGB [or FSB, its "successor"] veracity. UFO abductee Barney Hill [who in the 1960's was one of the first publicized abductees] claimed under hypnosis that one of his abductors "look[ed] like a German Nazi". Other abductees have claimed seeing Nazi-style decorations or hearing German or German-accented voices as part of their abduction experience.
Under "Operation Paperclip" Nazi scientists and intelligence officers were integrated into the military, NASA, and the intelligence community. Wernher von Braun is the most famous and is remembered for being the genius behind the Saturn rockets. The most infamous was Reinhard Gehlen, a Major General in the Nazi Abwehr or intelligence agency.
Gehlen was sponsored by the Dulles brothers. John Foster Dulles was a founding member of the CFR and served as President Eisenhower’s Secretary of State; Allen was a president of the CFR, and was the Director of Central Intelligence - head of the CIA - when John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
Not only has the CIA been implicated in the assassination of JFK, Allen Dulles was a member of the Warren Commission - the investigative body JFK researchers argue was the government’s official cover-up of the conspiracy. German wealth [much of it looted from nations conquered during World War II] was spirited out of Germany.
U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce Stuart Eizenstadt reported the following concerning the Nazi Treasury:
"The evidence presented in this report is incontrovertible.
....The Swiss National Bank and private Swiss bankers knew, as the War progressed, that the Reichsbank's (the German central bank) own coffers had been depleted, and that the Swiss were handling vast sums of looted gold." (TRANSCRIPT: EIZENSTAT BRIEFING ON LOOTED NAZI GOLD REPORT" United States Department of Commerce. 8 May 1997).
When World War II ended, and Europe was being overrun by the allies, the country in charge of each sector of Europe. In our sector, we backed trucks up to the former production facilities and hauled off all the documents.
Everyone else did the same thing.
"Some twelve years later the Australians discovered a 16mm film, a technical report, of the German V-7 research project. The V-7 weapons research project involved circular disk-shaped craft. Now, we knew about programs V-1 through V-4, but we had no previous idea about the V-7 program.
The information in this documentary seemed to indicate that the Germans built their first operational disk sometime in the early 1940's in the first production facility in Prague. Then they proceeded to expand their design, development and research teams until by the time the Germans were being driven back into Germany, they had nine research facilities, all with projects under testing.
They successfully evacuated eight of those facilities out of Germany, along with the scientists and the key people. The ninth facility was blown up. Now, this 16mm film showed some pictures of flying vehicles in operation.
We also knew through intelligence, where I was working at the end of the war, that the Germans built eight very large cargo submarines, especially built, and they were all commissioned, launched and proceeded to disappear without a trace. To this day, we have no idea where they went.
They are not on the bottom of the ocean or at any port we know of. It's a mystery, but the mystery might have been solved by this Australian documentary film, which shows large German cargo submarines in the Antarctic with ice flows all around them, and crews standing on deck waiting for tie-up at a quay. We have underground information that some of the research facilities in Germany were taken to a place called "New Schwabenland".
Now, Germany was called "Schwabenland" before it was called Germany. So, we are talking about "New Germany", and it is located in an area at the South Pole formerly called Queen Maude Land.
Back around 1937, we convened an international conference under the League of Nations at the time to decide to restrict new claims to land in Antarctica.
At the time, everyone seemed to have a claim except Germany, who had not staked out a claim but only had some research going on down there. The whole thing was designed to keep Germany from making a land claim as the Nazi's were coming to power. We refused to recognize German claims, which were shown on German maps.
A couple of years ago, National Geographic showed the German claim on a map for the first time. But, back in 1939, Göring led an expedition to the Antarctic, including a submarine force, and they took construction and digging equipment down there and began excavating a tunnel complex, and this activity might have been going on since that time. If that is the case, it could be a sizable complex today.
That may be where the big cargo submarines are.
We believe that at least one or more of the disk research facilities were taken to Antarctica.
We had information that one was taken to the Amazon, and that another was taken to the north coast of Norway, where there is a strong German population. Those were taken into secretly maintained underground facilities.
Before World War II, the Germans had military advisors all over South America, and when we got into the war we persuaded countries in South America to give up German advisors and accept American ones. Down there, they still prefer the Germans and have never liked us. It is quite possible that some of this material and some of these research facilities were de-centralized to South America as the German empire began to collapse.
The big companies like I.G. Farben and the German subsidiary of General Electric opened large subsidiary plants in Rio and Sao Paulo in Brazil, and some of these new facilities became larger that they had been in Germany. So, there would have been support capability for disk research facilities. One has to wonder how much truth there really is to all of this. (VN: ironically, we posted a blog that proved the Queen of England and her husband were major share holders in the GE corporation. Both were German who changed their names to Winsor back in around 1920's, so their last name would sound more british, than German)
It appears that some of the craft we see today are nothing more than further developments of German disk technology. So, we may in fact be visited periodically by Germans.
One has to wonder how much we are observing is man-made, and how much is truly extraterrestrial technology. Certainly there is some of both, but we don't know what the percentages are.
~Wendelle C. Stevens
Thousands of Missiles Fired by Russian and American Forces over Earth's Arctic Regions – completely unannounced
Are we fighting extraterrestrial UFOs?
India Daily
Staff Reporter
Apr. 14, 2005
Report is reaching of a strange behavior by the American and Russian forces in the Earth’s Arctic regions. Completely unannounced, both the super powers are launching thousands of missiles from both land based and aircraft launched these missiles that are being directed out of the earth’s atmosphere into the outer space regions of our planets atmosphere.
From various news services however there is being reported that Russia and the United States are conducting Missile Defense War games. The valid question is why was this separate military exercise not previously announced. Some UFO researchers believe that both the forces are jointly fighting something that they are not saying.
There are also reports that someone is manipulating the earth’s weather systems in a massive scale. Are American and Russians jointly fighting them? (VN: Both countries have massive numbers of Haarp facilities that can manipulate the weather.)
The cosmic bursts hitting the earth are also strange. The Solar flares in recent times have shown extreme abnormal behavior.
The increasing earthquakes, floods, droughts and landslides may have been caused by some artificial agents.
· On the surface the American and Russians are saying these missile launches are part of military exercises but why are they unannounced?
· What triggered this massive launch of terrestrial missiles in thousands?
Photo taken over the Antarctic sky
VIDEO DOCUMENTARIES
Secrets of the 3rd Reich
Secret Nazi Research in Alien Technology
Secrets of the 3rd Reich
21/06/2006
Evidence of the use of extra terrestrial technology. One of the last great mysteries of the 20th century is the occult past of the 3rd Reich, and membership of secret societies by some of its leading exponents.
The question as to whether these people were aware of the existence of lost extraterrestrial technologies, once applied by past advanced cultures, is raised by completely new research, supported by historical documents and original film footage of the period.
Were the disk-shaped flying objects (UFOs), driven by anti-gravitation forces, actually constructed?. Test pilots, engineers and investigators explain the Nazi program for space travel and contact with aliens.
Look at the evidence and decide for yourself.
Here is a video about the "secrets of the Third Reich" since the one above has been taken down. I will give you the link, text and video and you can watch it after reading this piece above. Here it is.
http://beforeitsnews.com/animals-pets/2014/05/nazi-ufo-%E2%98%85-operation-ufo-nazi-base-antarctica-secret-of-the-third-reich-russian-2453322.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AHG14BcI5o0
Text:
The film explores the historical mysteries and rumors of a Nazi secret base in Antarctica, the 1947 flying saucer attack on Admiral Byrd’s ill-fated ‘Operation Highjump’ expedition and the occult origins of Third Reich anti-gravity engines, flying discs and ancient Atlantean technologies viewed through the lens of perhaps the three most mysterious twentieth century German organizations of all: the ‘Thule Society, ‘Vril Society’ and the ‘Ahnenerbe’
One of the core themes of the film is the alleged existence of ‘Base 211?, the legendary underground Nazi base in the Antarctica. Drawing upon the pre-war Nazi interest in Antarctica and the creation of ‘New Swabia’; the testimony of German U-Boat submarine commanders and the alleged disappearance of thousands of Nazi scientists and engineers at the end of the war, personnel that cannot be accounted for by the Vatican and Odessa ‘rat lines’ or American ‘Operation Paperclip’ activities. In addition, the film analyses the actual geo-physical possibilities of an underground base in Antarctica.
The other core theme is the alleged existence of a Nazi flying saucer program and the many evidential strands that this area generates. From the supposed channeling of extraterrestrial engineering schematics by members of the German occult group ‘Thule Society’ in the early part of the twentieth century to the ‘implosion engine’ of Viktor Schauberger and its possible appropriation by the Third Reich.
Bringing us to the the latter part of the twentieth century the documentary illustrates the many sightings of unknown crafts around the Antartic region and the theoretical basis for polar wormholes as entrance and exit points for visiting extraterrestrial spaceships and the possible involvement of HAARP, as well as asking why nearly all American Antarctic bases seem to be populated by agents of the National Security Agency and CIA.
Like the study of any phenomena and/or events that exist at the edges of consensus reality, occupy imaginal realms and are subject to historical revisionism; the interface of myth and reality is a shifting mosaic of fact, speculation, disinformation and fantasy, or to use the phrase of head CIA counter-intelligence spook, James Jesus Angleton, we have entered a “wilderness of mirrors”.
Certainly there are elements in the documentary that give cause for concern such as the alleged “Special Bureau 13?, the Nazi secret flying saucer research group and its similarity to the top secret government agency in the early eighties role playing game “Bureau 13: Stalking the Night Fantastic ” (though equally the RPG title could be an insider homage to this secret Nazi organisation).
Likewise, there is the lack of information on the existence of the US Navy destroyer ‘Murdoch’ in the testimony recounted by pilot ‘John Sireson’ in his description of the flying saucer attack on Admiral Byrd’s fleet (testimony taken from an interview by the late pioneering American researcher Leonard Stringfield).
Equally, the testimony of Admiral Byrd that flying saucers attacked the ‘Operation Highjump’ fleet is of historical record as is his testimony to Congress of enemies that have the ability to fly “pole to pole”. Likewise, the creation of ‘New Swabia’ is as much a historical fact as the ‘impossible’ existence of the ‘Piri Reis’ map.
What sets this documentary apart from most others of its kind is the inclusion of high ranking Russian scientists and military personnel and their testimony should not be discounted.
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(1) - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/antarctica/antartica24.htm
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When you cut and paste text from some anonymous blog, you are not preserving all the embedded links.
As he was born in 1889, Hitler's been dead for a very long while. Any assertion that he's been kept alive by non-human "aliens" is just fiction.
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When you cut and paste text from some anonymous blog, you are not preserving all the embedded links. Yeah, but anyone who clicks on the main link will find the embedded links, surely?
As he was born in 1889, Hitler's been dead for a very long while. Well, there is still some mystery regarding how he died and when he died...Any assertion that he's been kept alive by non-human "aliens" is just fiction. Maybe, maybe not...
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Maybe, maybe not
That's misleading, as "maybe not" would correspond to "I'm ridiculously gullible and naïve".
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That's misleading, as "maybe not" would correspond to "I'm ridiculously gullible and naïve". Or, intelligent and open minded, also it depends upon what you mean by 'death'.
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Polaris (the north star or pole star) isn't visible from Australia, but observers there see that the stars rotate about a point in the sky near the position of the star Sigma Octantis. Why is that?
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Polaris (the north star or pole star) isn't visible from Australia, not surprisingly since it's about 9,443 miles from the UK . This occurs because of the position of the sun rotating on the inner edge of the earth's dome, sometimes partially merged between the earth's dome and the firmament of the earth, and sometimes beyond the edge of the earth's dome, and fixed in the 'firmament' of the earth! If it were possible to be able to see the star contemplations in Australia at midday, the constellations would appear to be rotating around the 'north Star' the same as in the UK at midnight! The reverse would be true of the star constellations at midday in the UK, matching a focal point in the 'firmament' at midnight in Australia! but observers there see that the stars rotate about a point in the sky near the position of the star Sigma Octantis. Why is that I have just tried to explain...
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I have just tried to explain...
No, you've referred to the daytime. Obviously, I was referring to the night sky. What's significant is the star that appears to be approximately on the axis of rotation of the stars. You're not providing a clear explanation at all of why there are two such stars. Instead, you referred to the sun, which I hadn't mentioned.
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The earth is flat, and it's well documented that Admiral Byrd and his depleted fleet scurried from the South Pole . . .
If the earth is flat, how come it has a south pole?
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One thing is self-evident, and this must be that the ISS is simply rotating above the static earth as in the flat earth module, round and round, just like the sun, the moon, and planets, and stars rotate around the 'north star' in the firmament...
You've stated that the sun is sometimes outside the firmament and sometimes not, so how is that consistent with it "simply rotating" above the earth, just like the ISS? Why hasn't the ISS fallen back down to earth?
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You've stated that the sun is sometimes outside the firmament and sometimes not, so how is that consistent with it "simply rotating" above the earth, just like the ISS? Why hasn't the ISS fallen back down to earth?
More importantly why does earths surface look spherical from the ISS?
If mike could look out a window of the ISS then what? is the window fake?
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No, you've referred to the daytime. Obviously, I was referring to the night sky. you can't get a night sky in the UK and Australia at one and the same time. Midnight in UK is Midday in Australia, and vice versa,What's significant is the star that appears to be approximately on the axis of rotation of the stars. You're not providing a clear explanation at all of why there are two such stars. Instead, you referred to the sun, which I hadn't mentioned. I referred to the sun, to differentiate between daylight and night, and the fact that if one could see the star constellations up in the 'firmament' at midday in daylight in the UK, as opposed to being able to see star constellations at midnight in the UK, the apparent shift in the focal point around which the star constellations appear to rotate at night time in the UK and Australia can easily be understood! Reference to the flight of the sun is necessary to help explain the anomaly you have raised, since in either the UK or and Australia, the star constellations would appear to rotate against different focal points above at night time, or in daylight! There would be a gradual shift of this focal point each 24 or so hours in each region as viewed by an observer in that locale! This has nothing to do with the earth being a globe, or the right way up people, or the sideways on people this way, or the upside down people, or the sideways on people that way, it's about the earth being flat and what can be observed in the wake of the sun's journey circling above the flat earth, illuminating one part, and leaving a cloak of darkness behind itself in ever decreasing degrees of darkness! The sun cannot illuminate everywhere upon the flat earth at one and the same time, it can only illuminate those parts which fall within its range of varying degrees of light either side of its position, where daylight increases in quantity directly above that part of the flat earth where the sun is at any given time, and where it's light reduces in its wake, leaving those parts of the flat earth in varying degrees of darkness! Since the star constellations can only be viewed at night, an observer upon the flat earth which is shrouded in darkness of let's say in the UK, will never see the same star constellations in daylight in Australia around the exact same focal point because the backdrop of the star constellations from the vantage point of both places cannot be seen in darkness at one and the same time, when it's dark in the UK it's light in Australia, and vice versa. This focal point against which star constellations appear to revolve fluctuates from one to the other in varying degrees each day and night!
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If the earth is flat, how come it has a south pole? the flat earth has a north and a south pole merely as directional markers for orientation all and navigational purposes, calculated against the flight paths of the sun and the moon which rise in the east, and set in the west. The fact that there exists such places called the north and the south pole does not in any way shape or form serve to prove or establish that the earth is a globe, you only have to look at the way aeroplane flightpaths are orientated to get a better grasp of reality![,/color]
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You've stated that the sun is sometimes outside the firmament and sometimes not, so how is that consistent with it "simply rotating" above the earth, just like the ISS? (http://[color=blue] in a nutshell, 'hologramic', and 'illusional'..[/color]) Why hasn't the ISS fallen back down to earth? Maybe, it's not what it appears to be when viewed by an observer from the earth! Maybe there is no real ISS in so called orbit rotating or circling above the earth, maybe it could simply be 'a projection' using the technology / phenomena at play involving the position and journeys of sun and moon (holographic in nature) in or around the earth's dome and 'firmament'?
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More importantly why does earths surface look spherical from the ISS? it's all faked!
If mike could look out a window of the ISS then what? is the window fake? Airline pilots and crews are not allowed to talk about what can be viewed from the cockpits of the planes they are flying in! Obviously some so called 'astronauts' have come forward and said or claimed that earth is a globe, but it's not! You can make a flat surface look curved simply be looking through different lenses!
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A few mornings ago, I was standing at my back door looking up at the sky and I could see a partially illuminated moon elevated at about 1, O'clock...
In contrast, the sun had just risen and it was low down to the left of my vantage point..
I kept looking at the position of the moon and the sun, and it puzzled me as to why the surface of the moon was not illuminated to reflect the position of the rising sun?
Surely, the baseline of the moon ought really to have been angled rather than appear to be vertical with the moon so high up and the sun so low down in the same sky?
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Then, in a moment of inspiration it suddenly dawned on me that the reason is because of the curvature of the earths dome!
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you can't get a night sky in the UK and Australia at one and the same time.
That's irrelevant, as I wasn't referring to simultaneous observations.
. . . the apparent shift in the focal point around which the star constellations appear to rotate at night time in the UK and Australia can easily be understood!
You haven't provided a clear explanation. You just keep mentioning day and night.
There would be a gradual shift of this focal point each 24 or so hours in each region as viewed by an observer in that locale!
There wouldn't be and there isn't such a gradual shift You've already referred to the north star as fixed, not gradually shifting. That applies regardless of how long the night happens to be, provided that the north star is observable. If it becomes observable during the day (due to a solar eclipse), it's still in the expected position, confirming that it hasn't gradually shifted during the day.
This focal point against which star constellations appear to revolve fluctuates from one to the other in varying degrees each day and night!
That's completely untrue (and not mentioned elsewhere, even by other proponents of a flat earth). Also, you've already contradicted it by describing the north star as fixed.
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Then, in a moment of inspiration it suddenly dawned on me that the reason is because of the curvature of the earths dome!
If it had been possible for me to draw an arc from the position where the sun had risen in the east (0°) and use the baseline of the moon as the mid-point of the arc (90°), and continuing west at the point where later on during the day the sun would set (180°), it formed the basis for showing that the earth's dome really did exist! The reason that the baseline of the moon was visible at a 90° angle, must be because the sunlight had been warped around the inner edge of the dome!
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A few mornings ago, . . .
Can you give the exact date and the time of day (as accurately as you can) when you took the photograph?
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That's irrelevant, as I wasn't referring to simultaneous observations. You haven't provided a clear explanation. You just keep mentioning day and night. There wouldn't be and there isn't such a gradual shift there must be for people in the Southern Hemisphere to view a different focal point against which the star constellations rotate! You've already referred to the north star as fixed, not gradually shifting. Only visible during evenings and at night time from the northern Hemisphere... That applies regardless of how long the night happens to be, provided that the north star is observable. not visible during day time or daylight... If it becomes observable during the day (due to a solar eclipse), there is no evidence that the star constellations are still seemingly rotating around the north star during any solar eclipse viewed in the northern hemisphere, and in any event it might depend upon your position upon the flat earth at the time of such an eclipse. For example, if during such a solar eclipse an observer was located in Australia, they might see the star constellations rotating around the north star focal point! it's still in the expected position, confirming that it hasn't gradually shifted during the day. I think you would find that it's changed... That's completely untrue It might be untrue if your relying upon a globed earth module, but not with the earth being flat...(and not mentioned elsewhere, even by other proponents of a flat earth). Not yet...Also, you've already contradicted it by describing the north star as fixed.Yes, at evening or night, since that is the only time visible from the UK...
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Can you give the exact date and the time of day (as accurately as you can) when you took the photograph?
Yes, here's an attachment showing the general details...
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Then, in a moment of inspiration it suddenly dawned on me that the reason is because of the curvature of the earth's dome!
The "baseline" is called the lunar terminator. Its appearance is not explainable by the curvature of the earth's dome. You've simply made a wild guess, and not shown that it's a good guess.
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The "baseline" is called the lunar terminator. Its appearance is not explainable by the curvature of the earth's dome. You've simply made a wild guess, and not shown that it's a good guess. It's more than a good guess, it's logical, since the moons baseline (or the lunar terminator) is totally and completely out of sync' with the positions of the risen sun and the exalted moon as captured by me in photographs! Everything contained in the photographs I took that morning points to the existence of the domed earth - the sun's rays reflecting off the inner edge of the 'firmament' in a curved fashion, projecting sunlight onto the surface of the moon at an unnatural angle...
I have seen examples of this anomaly thousands and thousands of times, where the sun and the moon are visible in the sky at the same time! It can't be just a coincidence that this phenomena keeps repeating itself over and over!
The moon has to be some technological form of a hologram which absorbs light - the sun a modified version of that hologramic technology which expels heat (radiation) and light!
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Hologramic technology is being used to indoctrinate the masses into believing that the sun is the centre of our galaxy..
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You can tell a great deal from studying the base line of the moon, and an imaginary base line from the point or tips of the crescent moon! In theory, if you were to create an imaginary base line, from tip or the point, to tip or point of a crescent moon, and draw another imaginary line at a 90° angle from the middle of the imaginary baseline toward the illuminated portion of the moon itself and back upon itself so that it extends away from the moon this should always point or give the exact location of the sun in the sky - but sometimes it doesn't. This is because when the sun is particularly low down in the sky it's rays become warped and distorted! The higher up in the sky less distortion, etc, etc..
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. . . the moon's baseline (or the lunar terminator) is totally and completely out of sync' with the positions of the risen sun and the exalted moon as captured by me in photographs!
That's nonsense. The difference in compass direction of the sun and moon when you took the photograph on 7th February was about 94 degrees, which is consistent with your photographed angle of the lunar terminator.
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That's nonsense. The difference in compass direction of the sun and moon when you took the photograph on 7th February was about 94 degrees, which is consistent with your photographed angle of the lunar terminator. no, it's not nonsense, the moons baseline is out of sync'. The angle of projected sunlight absorbed by the moon is all wrong! That 94° of difference in compass angle between the sun and the moon on the day I took the photographs is reproduced at the wrong angle, the baseline should run slightly lopsided in keeping with the actual position of the sun in relation to the moon! That baseline should be slightly inclined from top left to bottom right (at a 94° angle), but it's not. Instead the baseline is vertical and out of sync'...
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The angle of projected sunlight absorbed by the moon is all wrong!
That's also nonsense. The terminator isn't precisely vertical in your photograph. The 94 degrees gives the approximate tilt of the terminator from horizontal, not from vertical. You can demonstrate this easily by simply viewing a tennis ball held just in front of you and lit by an artificial light that's at arm's length to your left.
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That's also nonsense. The terminator isn't precisely vertical in your photograph. The 94 degrees gives the approximate tilt of the terminator from horizontal, not from vertical. You can demonstrate this easily by simply viewing a tennis ball held just in front of you and lit by an artificial light that's at arm's length to your left. the angle is all wrong, the sun was too low and the moon so high you can't get that shape in those / these circumstances...
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the angle is all wrong, the sun was too low and the moon so high you can't get that shape in those / these circumstances
My 3-D visualization was poor, making my previous explanation faulty. However, the following corrected explanation reaches the same conclusion. As the moon's direction is at about 94 degrees from the sun's direction, the lunar terminator is close to halfway across the moon and is only slightly curved. Thus the shape of the terminator in your photograph is what would be expected (a day later, it would have been slightly curved in the opposite direction). In this situation, it's the sun's elevation that is by far the most important factor that affects the tilt of the terminator, causing it to have a slight "clockwise" lean from vertical of about 1.5 degrees. Thus the moon should have appeared as shown below (except that the moon's right side would be too poorly illuminated to be visible and the sky wouldn't be black), which corresponds closely to what is seen in your photograph.
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In a flat-earther's description of the sun as "circulating" above earth, along with a "flat" moon, the moon's phases and eclipses of the moon aren't explained in detail. Hence your need to invent bizarre speculation that the moon is an image projected from earth. Previously, you speculated that it was a projected image of the underside of the earth, so as to account for its cratered appearance. The descriptions you are currently giving are different from those given by any other specific flat-earther or flat-earth website.
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My 3-D visualization was poor, making my previous explanation faulty. However, the following corrected explanation reaches the same conclusion. As the moon's direction is at about 94 degrees from the sun's direction, the lunar terminator is close to halfway across the moon and is only slightly curved. I'm challenging the angle of 94 degrees, since in fairness I took a series of photographs at around the same time...Thus the shape of the terminator in your photograph is what would be expected (a day later, it would have been slightly curved in the opposite direction). In this situation, it's the sun's elevation that is by far the most important factor that affects the tilt of the terminator, Yes, and the sun was really low down in the sky at the time I took the photographs, there was definitely a greater difference than 94 degrees between the position of the sun and the moon which was elevated high up in the sky!causing it to have a slight "clockwise" lean from vertical of about 1.5 degrees. The lean in the shape of the moon should have been anti-clockwise, not clockwise because of the lower position of the sun..Thus the moon should have appeared as shown below (except that the moon's right side would be too poorly illuminated to be visible and the sky wouldn't be black), which corresponds closely to what is seen in your photograph. I disagree, the moons base (terminator) should have been leaning anti-clockwise, showing the illuminated portion of the moon as illuminated by the sun so low down in the sky!
In your diagram, the sun would need to be elevated higher up in the sky (than it was) to produce that angle of the moons baseline (terminator) as shown in your diagram, my photograph, and my own version of your diagram...
Moons baseline (terminator) Dividing line between yellow and grey portions...
Projected position of the sun (shown by red line), yet sun much lower down in sky...
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The actual position of the sun in relation to the moon is shown by the green coloured line in the diagram:-
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The illuminated part of the moons surface in my photograph should have been with the moons baseline (terminator) from 'A' to 'B', in the following diagram...
The sun would be in the general location of the sky by reference to the 'green arrow'...
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You're not allowing for distance. If you stand fairly close to a street lamp that is 40 feet above ground level, you may observe that the lamp has an elevation of, say, 80 degrees. If you look at another lamp 100 yards away that is, say, 45 feet above ground level, you may observe its elevation to be only 7 degrees. From your observation position, the more distant lamp, although higher, has a lower elevation angle. If, however, you raised your eye level to 40 feet, the same height as the nearby lamp, the distant lamp would have an elevation of 1 degree, confirming its greater height above ground level than the nearby lamp's. In that analogy, the moon corresponds to the nearby lamp, and the sun corresponds to the distant lamp. In the case of your photograph, the moon's elevation was about 19 degrees, and the sun's about 1.5 degrees, both as seen from your camera's position. The more distant sun can shine slightly "down" on the moon, so that your green arrow, showing the sun's direction, should point slightly "upwards" (overlapping your red line) rather than slightly "downwards".
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I have got the angle more or less accurate between the sun which had just come up and the moon elevated high in the sky, as per my photograph. It doesn't matter how close I was to the sun or the moon, since at any distance from any observer the sun or the moon was, is, would create an angle relevant to that conjunction of (a) the location of the observer (b) the position of the sun, and (c) the position of the moon - the angle of illumination of say the moon would be relative and proportionate! In my example, the area of the exalted moon illuminated was totally wrong if the sun which was so low down in the sky supposedly was the source of the moon's illuminated surface. .
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The 94 degrees gives the approximate tilt of the terminator from horizontal, not from vertical.
It doesn't work just like that or as simple as what your saying, the distance between the sun and the moon has a bearing, as well as the difference in altitude of one or other, or both, and the speed at which the sun and the moon move above or just inside the earth's dome ..
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It doesn't matter how close I was to the sun or the moon, . . .
I explained in the post immediately before yours why distance does make a difference. The diagram below is not to scale, but suffices to show that the moon can be illuminated from (slightly) above by the sun, yet have a much greater elevation angle (shown in blue) than the sun from the point of view of an observer.
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It doesn't work just like that . . .
I know, thanks. I've already corrected my explanation. The conclusion remained the same.
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https://youtu.be/wClJlarfyhE (https://youtu.be/wClJlarfyhE)
lol