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Ex-prisoner who did time with Jeremy Bamber says he is innocent on anniversary of Essex tragedy
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A wrongly-convicted prisoner who served time with Jeremy Bamber has claimed he is innocent on the 30th anniversary of the White House Farm murders.
Michael O'Brien, who was imprisoned for eleven years for the Cardiff newsagent murder in 1987, has written a guest blog post for a website run by supporters of 54-year-old Bamber, suggesting that the convicted murderer "stuck out like a sore thumb".
Bamber was convicted in 1986 of the murder of his parents, sister and her two sons in Tolleshunt D'Arcy,but has long protested his innocence.
With today marking the 30th anniversary of the deaths, O'Brien writes: "I met Jeremy in Long Lartin prison between 1989 -1996 and it was so obvious that he did not fit in to prison life.
"He stood out for me, and he seemed lost just like I once was when I first went to prison. I knew something was not right with his case and believed in his innocence from the start. It was a gut feeling I had about him and Jeremy was different to the other prisoners.
"The case was the most important thing to him, and proving his innocence was the main thing on his mind just like it was with me. They say you can spot an innocent man a mile off and they stick out like a sore thumb—Jeremy was certainly in that category.
"Wrongful convictions have a habit of leaving the innocent suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and they may not even know they are suffering from it. I thought I was OK, however experts soon found out that I was far from that.
"Being in prison for a crime you didn't commit leaves many scars and it can only be described like a roller coaster ride. One minute you are angry and you feel you can fight whatever obstacles are placed in your way, and the next you are in total despair.
"Depression seeps into your mind, overwhelming you. The only thing I had on my mind 24 hours a day was to fight the injustice and I lived and breathed the case just like Jeremy is doing now.
"I do not know whether I would have had the strength that Jeremy has got if I had still been in prison for almost 30 years like he has. However, one thing I do know is that I would have fought as hard as I could to obtain justice in the same way as Jeremy has done, and he has to continue fighting until he has been proved innocent because that is exactly what he is.
"When I found out I was going to be released, I had a lot of anxiety not knowing what to expect in the outside world and this was after eleven years. Looking at it from Jeremy's perspective it would be quite frightening with the way society and the outside world has changed in the 30 years he has been incarcerated.
"Fear of the unknown and not knowing how he will adjust back into society can also be a daunting thought. I felt this too, and also wondering what reception you are going to get from the general public. These are just some of the things, which will be going through Jeremys mind.
"We must not lose sight of the fact due to the injustice that has been laid on Jeremy, he has suffered further by losing his family: Nevill, June, Sheila, Nicolas and Daniel. He has not been able to grieve for the loss of his family, as he should have been able to do.
"My thoughts are with Jeremy's family who lost their lives in tragic circumstances and also with Jeremy who not only lost his family but also his freedom, which has been stolen from him. I believe a miscarriage of justice does not lay doormat, Jeremy's case is going to rise up and haunt all those who have taken part in this injustice and the truth will come out."
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The blood grouping evidence obtained by way of the examination of the 'Sound Moderator' (DRB/1) may have been effected by the 'superglue' technique, used to fingerprint the silencer on 23rd August 1985, by 'Ron' Cook, at Sandridge police Research centre as indicated by the contents of the attached report, addressed to DCS 'Mick' Ainsley..
'Chemical reaction is likely to effect bloodgrouping results'..
Cook took the 'Sound Moderator' to the Lab' at Huntingdon, on 13th August 1985. It was provisionally examined by Glynis Howard, who found insufficient blood for grouping purposes! Then on 15th August 1985, Cook fingerprinted the silencer and other items, by flouresent light source. He carried out a further fingerprint test of the silencer and other items on the 23rd August 1985 using 'superglue treatment' (Cynoacrylate fumes)! Then on the 29th August 1985, Cook dismantled the 'Sound Moderator' and rebuilt it, screwing the rebuilt 'Sound Moderator' directly onto the external thread on the end of the anshuzt rifle, exposing the 'Sound Moderator to contamination from blood on the thread of the gun which by a process of dynamic tension could possibly be forced back into the baffle plates of the 'Sound Moderator'. Cook then claims he resubmitted the 'Sound Moderator' back to the lab' at Huntingdon, for the attention of the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, who on 12th September 1985, dismantled the 'Sound Moderator' Cook had resubmitted and he discovered a flake of dried blood, he says that was trapped between the first two baffle plates, which he forwarded to the blood expert (John Hayward) that same date! Hayward made the flake into a solution and various parts of this solution were checked for blood groupings!
The problem here, is that in Cooks report (attached) he claims that the 'Sound Moderator' was examined at the lab' (13th August 1985) and blood grouping results obtained (not true) before or prior to him having exposed the 'Sound Moderator' to the harmful chemicals of 'Superglue Treatment' (23rd August 1985) which he knows can adversely effect blood grouping results! The crucial flake was not recovered from the 'Sound Moderator' until after (12th September 1985) Cook had exposed it and the rifle to superglue treatment. Cook brought this to the attention of DCS 'Mick' Ainsley who was put in charge of the fresh investigation, and he asked that it be brought to the attention of counsel dealing with the case in Crown Court! But the Cops and Counsel for the prosecution kept silent about this matter! They did not alert either the blood experts, or the defence, or the court which tried the matter that it was a known scientific fact that any blood grouping results obtained from an item which has been exposed to superglue treatment may be adversely effected, and deemed unreliable!
The court was therefore deceived into accepting that there was no mistaking the blood grouping results obtained from the 'Sound Moderator', despite these being obtained from inside the silencer after it had been exposed to superglue treatment!
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So they got a print from the right ring finger of Sheila's. Could this possibly have explained the mark, scratch or scrape on her hand as Jeremy thrust the weapon into her hand?
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So they got a print from the right ring finger of Sheila's. Could this possibly have explained the mark, scratch or scrape on her hand as Jeremy thrust the weapon into her hand?
Sheila's print was found on the wooden butt of the anshuzt rifle, and I believe another on the barrel, of the same rifle, the shotgun and the BSA .22 air rifle!!
Furthermore, cops thrust Sheila's hand onto the anshuzt rifle when they staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor..
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Sheila's print was found on the wooden butt of the anshuzt rifle, and I believe another on the barrel, of the same rifle, the shotgun and the BSA .22 air rifle!!
Furthermore, cops thrust Sheila's hand onto the anshuzt rifle when they staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor..
The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?
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The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?
But if Jeremy did it why were his prints not on it as well he has not need to wipe them off ?
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But if Jeremy did it why were his prints not on it as well he has not need to wipe them off ?
He had to wipe them off because Nevill's prints got on the weapon alongside during the struggle in the kitchen.
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The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?
Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?
Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
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Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?
Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
And where is all the blood and evidence of the beating ?
Still have seen no statements from Montgomery ?
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Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?
Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
They admit to not wearing gloves, but to moving the Anschutz "using the sling fittings on the butt and under the barrel".
Jeremy had to wipe the gun after Nevill's fingerprints got on the rifle during the kitchen struggle.
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Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?
Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
What person with any sense commits a crime gloveless? No one wants to tell the police of their presence there, surely?
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They admit to not wearing gloves, but to moving the Anschutz "using the sling fittings on the butt and under the barrel".
Jeremy had to wipe the gun after Nevill's fingerprints got on the rifle during the kitchen struggle.
Why would Bamber do that ? It would be no secret there was a huge kitchen fight. He didn't try to hide evidence of a fight in the kitchen when staging the scene.
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What person with any sense commits a crime gloveless? No one wants to tell the police of their presence there, surely?
Why bother ? His prints would be on the gun anyway ?
Do we have any information on whether the gun would be difficult to load and fire with gloves on ?
No fibres found on the gun either ?
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I suppose Bamber could have tried to disguise the fact that Nevill wrestled over the rifle.
Nevill would have used his 8 stone & 9 inch weight advantage in any wrestling match to instantly negate Sheila.
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Why would Bamber do that ? It would be no secret there was a huge kitchen fight. He didn't try to hide evidence of a fight in the kitchen when staging the scene.
I am worried , I am agreeing with Adam
Not about the staging , but if it was Jeremy it would suit his story to have his prints Sheila's and evidence of the fight which was allegedly set up to make it look like sheila?
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Why would Bamber do that ? It would be no secret there was a huge kitchen fight. He didn't try to hide evidence of a fight in the kitchen when staging the scene.
Well he told Julie he'd had a mental blank, he'd "lost it" and used overkill on Nevill. His excuse was he wanted to ensure Sheila's fingerprints appeared unblemished on the rifle.
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Well he told Julie he'd had a mental blank, he'd "lost it" and used overkill on Nevill. His excuse was he wanted to ensure Sheila's fingerprints appeared unblemished on the rifle.
Really ? That did not work then .
Sounds more like a story to fit a scene .
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Really ? That did not work then .
Sounds more like a story to fit a scene .
He was probably in a hurry to leave, noting the blunder of the two shots needed to kill. He would wash his hands via the shower head in the bathroom and take his leave through the kitchen window.
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He was probably in a hurry to leave, noting the blunder of the two shots needed to kill. He would wash his hands via the shower head in the bathroom and take his leave through the kitchen window.
Or perhaps Sheila washed her sins away in preparation for suicide and washed her hands .
No proof that either thing happened .
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Well he told Julie he'd had a mental blank, he'd "lost it" and used overkill on Nevill. His excuse was he wanted to ensure Sheila's fingerprints appeared unblemished on the rifle.
oh dear..
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oh dear..
So far Jeremy has put on socks shot them all with gloves on , wiped the gun because his plan has not worked , picked up the casings and put Sheila's prints on them put them back where they came out of the gun washed himself. Removed the socks to get out of the window , destroyed his clothes and meticulously cleaned the bike. .
And yet mike is vilified .
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So far Jeremy has put on socks shot them all with gloves on , wiped the gun because his plan has not worked , picked up the casings and put Sheila's prints on them put them back where they came out of the gun washed himself. Removed the socks to get out of the window , destroyed his clothes and meticulously cleaned the bike. .
And yet mike is vilified .
He didn't bother to clean the bike. It was left covered in yellow, sulphurous mud for a month.
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oh dear..
I too wish you weren't defending a child murderer David, but then life is never perfect.
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I too wish you weren't defending a child murderer David, but then life is never perfect.
I think that is very rude Steve because not one poster on here would deliberately defend Jeremy if they really thought he was guilty .
It's obvious why we are interested in the case because it could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a long time .
If something new comes up that is definitive PROOF he was the murderer I would be the first one on here to apologise , but if it turns out to be the opposite I bet some posters will disappear in a flash of smoke .
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I think that is very rude Steve because not one poster on here would deliberately defend Jeremy if they really thought he was guilty .
It's obvious why we are interested in the case because it could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a long time .
If something new comes up that is definitive PROOF he was the murderer I would be the first one on here to apologise , but if it turns out to be the opposite I bet some posters will disappear in a flash of smoke .
I'm very certain it's true of you, Jan. I have my doubts about others who I believe have erased that FACT from their mind. IF it should emerge that I've been wrong all this time, unlike some, I don't see it as a sign of weakness to admit to being wrong, but I'll take a bet that there would be supporters who would crawl away sooner than apologize.
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I think that is very rude Steve because not one poster on here would deliberately defend Jeremy if they really thought he was guilty .
It's obvious why we are interested in the case because it could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a long time .
If something new comes up that is definitive PROOF he was the murderer I would be the first one on here to apologise , but if it turns out to be the opposite I bet some posters will disappear in a flash of smoke .
No I'd rather the kids were killed out of love rather than hate, but it won't bring them back. I don't like posts aimed at humiliation and as David's offered nothing but implied sanctimony I replied in kind.
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So far Jeremy has put on socks shot them all with gloves on , wiped the gun because his plan has not worked , picked up the casings and put Sheila's prints on them put them back where they came out of the gun washed himself. Removed the socks to get out of the window , destroyed his clothes and meticulously cleaned the bike. .
And yet mike is vilified .
I don't see you supporting Mike's assertions, Jan?
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I think that is very rude Steve because not one poster on here would deliberately defend Jeremy if they really thought he was guilty .
It's obvious why we are interested in the case because it could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice for a long time .
If something new comes up that is definitive PROOF he was the murderer I would be the first one on here to apologise , but if it turns out to be the opposite I bet some posters will disappear in a flash of smoke .
I agree, and could pretty much guess who they would be.
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I don't see you supporting Mike's assertions, Jan?
Nope I don't but I do respect the hours he has put in gathering documents and timings . I don't have to agree with his conclusions but for whatever reason he certainly has put a huge amount of effort in .
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Nope I don't but I do respect the hours he has put in gathering documents and timings . I don't have to agree with his conclusions but for whatever reason he certainly has put a huge amount of effort in .
He's certainly done a lot of work. No argument from me, there.
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He didn't bother to clean the bike. It was left covered in yellow, sulphurous mud for a month.
Steve surely the fact that Jeremy did not attempt to clean the bike indicates he had no reason to do so it was forensically tested anyway.
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Steve surely the fact that Jeremy did not attempt to clean the bike indicates he had no reason to do so it was forensically tested anyway.
Well he thought he'd got away with it by then..
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Well he thought he'd got away with it by then..
I find that very hard to believe Steve, I'm sure he would have been a bit more careful than blatantly leaving the bike outside his house covered in evidence.
I know I read in one of the books that there was yellow sulpherous mud in the farmyard and up the Lane at WHF and that June had used the bike around there before deciding biking wasn't for her and giving the whole thing up. I am not posting this as fact because I have nothing to back it up but it could possibly be true. Too may possibilities are picked up and used as proof of guilt when they have no more substance than a quote from a book which is often hearsay.
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I am worried , I am agreeing with Adam
Not about the staging , but if it was Jeremy it would suit his story to have his prints Sheila's and evidence of the fight which was allegedly set up to make it look like sheila?
Jan Ron Cook's statement stated he was of the opinion no fight took place in the kitchen the main reason being Neville was too badly injured.
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I find that very hard to believe Steve, I'm sure he would have been a bit more careful than blatantly leaving the bike outside his house covered in evidence.
I know I read in one of the books that there was yellow sulpherous mud in the farmyard and up the Lane at WHF and that June had used the bike around there before deciding biking wasn't for her and giving the whole thing up. I am not posting this as fact because I have nothing to back it up but it could possibly be true. Too may possibilities are picked up and used as proof of guilt when they have no more substance than a quote from a book which is often hearsay.
Maggie the bike was examined for evidence of Jeremy using it for his trip to the farm.
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There is no evidence at all to suggest that the bicycle was used that night. If responsible for the crimes, it is to be expected that Bamber should have blood upon his hands. The murderer was close enough to the victims for the blood to enter the sound moderator. If responsible Bamber would also have had to have staged the suicide scene, moving Sheila's body in to an appropriate position and also placing the gun on her chest. With Sheila having been covered in blood ultimately Bamber's hands, if he were the killer, would have become blood stained. It is therefore interesting to note that the bicycle was subjected to forensic examination with no evidence being found.
Additionally Robert Boutflour carried out extensive examination of the countryside surrounding White House Farm. He went to extraordinary lengths to try and locate wheel tracks. With the weather having caused muddy terrain, such tracks would certainly have been left should a bicycle have been moving in the area. No tracks from June Bamber's bicycle were discovered. With his determination to uncover evidence, if tracks existed he would have found them. Police officers also spent time looking for tracks, but to no avail. Soil samples were taken and matched against soil found on the tyres of the bicycle. These showed that no soil from the vicinity of the crime scene was present on the tyres.
It would therefore appear that the bicycle was not used in the crime. This further undermines Mugford's claims and the prosecution's argument.
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There's no need for the bicycle to have been used for Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. Julie was relating what Jeremy told her, which doesn't have to be gospel truth. As far as the blood is concerned there were specks of blood found on one of his jackets in the wardrobe at Bourtree Cottage. Most men don't shave and nick themselves wearing a jacket. I believe that had the crime scene been preserved, the jacket found earlier and with today's modern techniques he could have been tied to the crime scene.
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There's no need for the bicycle to have been used for Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. Julie was relating what Jeremy told her, which doesn't have to be gospel truth. As far as the blood is concerned there were specks of blood found on one of his jackets in the wardrobe at Bourtree Cottage. Most men don't shave and nick themselves wearing a jacket. I believe that had the crime scene been preserved, the jacket found earlier and with today's modern techniques he could have been tied to the crime scene.
The relatives immersed themselves in the crime scene at every available opportunity, maybe this was deliberate on the part of one or more of them, to disguise the presence of the victims blood on their clothing and footwear! Anthony Pargeters rifle was definately at the farmhouse at the time of the shootings! Jeremy told me it was kept in the downstairs toilet, but Pargeter claims he took it home the penultimate week-end prior to the shootings! I don't believe what Pargeter has said! His Bruno rifle had the same number of lands and grooves as the anshuzt rifle, and he could have altered the lining of the barrel of his gun by using harsh cleansing tools after the shootings to alter the courseness or otherwise of the lining of the barrel! His rifle could have been used in the shootings and cops tampered with at least 11 possibly 12 of the crime scene cartridge cases! The COLP investigation was a whitewash, designed to conceal the truth, not to expose it to the benefit of Jeremy Bamber!
You can't trust the police investigating themselves!!
Jeremy Bamber did not kill anyone, and there is no positive evidence to support the claim that he did! Cops were responsible for shooting dead Sheila and staging her death scene on the bedroom floor, and they got away with convincing the jury that Jeremy had done what the cops themselves had done! Jeremys conviction by the jury got the cops out of the shit for what they did! You can't go around treating the bodies of victims in such a major crime scene like props in a theatre production and blame somebodyelse for staging the scene! But in this case, that is precisely what has occurred! If the Jury had known cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene it would have made a significant difference to their verdict!
Its a disgrace that Jeremy Bamber has remained incarcerated for nigh on 32 years, or thereabouts, when it is absolutely certain that cops tampered with the crime scene, and staged Sheila Caffells death as a suicide, and took photographs which were presented as though they showed her body in possession of the rifle undisturbed from over two and a half hours beforehand! We all know that this presentation was a dishonest one! All but the jury which convicted Jeremy Bamber, in the belief that the photographic evidence they were bombarded with was honest and accurate, showing what Jeremy had done, in an attempt to fool the police into supposedly accepting that his sister had committed suicide!
If the police radio message logs had been disclosed to the defence pre-trial, it would have been possible to show the jury or at least to alert them to the fact that Cops presented Sheila's death as a suicide all by themselves, downstairs in the kitchen certainly by as early as 7.45am - remember 'LINDA' in the control room contacting DS Davidson at his home address at this time, requesting him to come on duty to the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and 'a suicide'! Two bodies in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am, two bodies by 7.37am, two bodies by 7.38am, and two bodies by 7.42am! How the 'fuck' can Jeremy Bamber be responsible for staging his sisters death scene upstairs on the main bedroom floor, when cops had her body downstairs in the kitchen, dead by way of her own suicide at a much earlier time, as quoted?
By 8.10am, the seige was apparently over!
So why did it take one hour and fifty minutes before the supposedly only SOCO team (Cook, Bird, Hammersley and Davidson) took control of the crime scene at 10am?
Think about it long and hard, because cops have deceived everybody!
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Maggie the bike was examined for evidence of Jeremy using it for his trip to the farm.
You keep saying that.
Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?
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You keep saying that.
Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?
why a month later ? Anne said she was aware of the bike immediately and was watching Jeremy.
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There is no evidence at all to suggest that the bicycle was used that night. If responsible for the crimes, it is to be expected that Bamber should have blood upon his hands. The murderer was close enough to the victims for the blood to enter the sound moderator. If responsible Bamber would also have had to have staged the suicide scene, moving Sheila's body in to an appropriate position and also placing the gun on her chest. With Sheila having been covered in blood ultimately Bamber's hands, if he were the killer, would have become blood stained. It is therefore interesting to note that the bicycle was subjected to forensic examination with no evidence being found.
Additionally Robert Boutflour carried out extensive examination of the countryside surrounding White House Farm. He went to extraordinary lengths to try and locate wheel tracks. With the weather having caused muddy terrain, such tracks would certainly have been left should a bicycle have been moving in the area. No tracks from June Bamber's bicycle were discovered. With his determination to uncover evidence, if tracks existed he would have found them. Police officers also spent time looking for tracks, but to no avail. Soil samples were taken and matched against soil found on the tyres of the bicycle. These showed that no soil from the vicinity of the crime scene was present on the tyres.
It would therefore appear that the bicycle was not used in the crime. This further undermines Mugford's claims and the prosecution's argument.
He doesn't have to have used the bike to be guilty and it doesn't undermine their argument at all. If Jerey could still have told Julie he used the bike or intended to, just like he told her about a fictitious hitman.
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He doesn't have to have used the bike to be guilty and it doesn't undermine their argument at all. If Jerey could still have told Julie he used the bike or intended to, just like he told her about a fictitious hitman.
Any luck finding the full identity of this mysterious "other Mcdonald" that RWB and Barlow mentioned in late August. Before Julie 'came forward' ?
(https://s11.postimg.org/6gqs93ulv/lying2.jpg)
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Any luck finding the full identity of this mysterious "other Mcdonald" that RWB and Barlow mentioned in late August. Before Julie 'came forward' ?
(https://s11.postimg.org/6gqs93ulv/lying2.jpg)
David any luck in finding the source that Sheila had left her fingerprints all over the shell casings?
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You keep saying that.
Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?
That's why you understand nothing about forensics .
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David any luck in finding the source that Sheila had left her fingerprints all over the shell casings?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8339.0;attach=48765 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8339.0;attach=48765)
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If I've got this right these are Robert Boutflour's notes regarding him needing proof of Sheila's fingerprints on the shell casings. Since 25 bullets were fired it's really a worthless source.
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If I've got this right these are Robert Boutflour's notes regarding him needing proof of Sheila's fingerprints on the shell casings. Since 25 bullets were fired it's really a worthless source.
David I expected better from you.
I agree that is ambiguous but a strange note to take whilst in a conversation with the police ?
So you read it as he is telling the police they should be checking for her prints?
But he makes notes about prints on specific casings ?
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Found this
I read that until recently [2008] it was very difficult to retrieve fingerprints from spent bullet casings because of the high temperature during firing.
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I agree that is ambiguous but a strange note to take whilst in a conversation with the police ?
So you read it as he is telling the police they should be checking for her prints?
But he makes notes about prints on specific casings ?
I have read that source before. What I object to is David dressing it up as proof that all bullets fired that morning were loaded by Sheila.
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The answer to Mike's thread question is 'yes'. Obviously it would mean -
The police were corrupt & mightily efficient in creating false evidence.
The experts lied through perjury & forgery to create false evidence.
The relatives were greedy & created false WS's.
Julie was jealous & psychotic.
Mary Mugford was protective & brave.
James Richards was mistaken when testifying.
Bamber's expensive defence team were not good enough.
The huge amount of accepted evidence were just coincidences.
The judge was biased.
The COA is out of date.
The police complaints commission were wrong which justifies Bamber's dirty protest.
The CCRC are scared.
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The answer to Mike's thread question is 'yes'. Obviously it would mean -
The police were corrupt & mightily efficient in creating false evidence. - not necessarily completely true non disclosure can be just as damaging
The experts lied through perjury & forgery to create false evidence. - which "experts " specifically? And don't forget about the fact that the forensics were not an independent lab.
The relatives were greedy & created false WS's. They did appear to lie about the benefits to them ? And if you read the Dickinson report they made every effort possible to blacken Jeremy's name , in ways that would not be allowed today .
Julie was jealous & psychotic. She herself threatened to smother Jeremy with a pillow , so yes perhaps a bit jealous ::)
Mary Mugford was protective & brave. Why brave ? She made sure she was with her daughter to seal theNOW deal
James Richards was mistaken when testifying. ?
Bamber's expensive defence team were not good enough. . Well there were definitely a few angles they did not query enough imo
The huge amount of accepted evidence were just coincidences. . Even the Dickinson reported said if it was not for two things , Julie and the silencer then there was no other convincing evidence
The judge was biased. His summing up to the jury was apparently misleading in respect of the silencer evidence , so if he did not understand it then how were the jury supposed to ?
The COA is out of date.
The police complaints commission were wrong which justifies Bamber's dirty protest. Not sure why you keep going on and on about this ?
The CCRC are scared. No. They just cant immediately disbelieve the police , that's not their job .
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So Bamber is innocent.
Shame on EP, the experts, relatives, Julie, Mary Mugford, James Richards, Bamber's lawyers, the judge, the COA, the police complaints commission & the CCRC.
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So Bamber is innocent.
Shame on EP, the experts, relatives, Julie, Mary Mugford, James Richards, Bamber's lawyers, the judge, the COA, the police complaints commission & the CCRC.
No one said the judge was involved ? And the subsequent appeals will always believe the police over a convicted criminal unless there is proof of a cover up .
If there was nothing to hide then they would have realised Everything years ago . And by not doing so they have made themselves look guiltily. There were plenty of ways they could have put an end to all the speculation. They chose not to .