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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other cases => Topic started by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 02:16:PM
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I think a lot of people will have followed this case because there was certainly a media frenzy. In the minds of many, 'Foxy Knoxy' became the name associated with a sly, intelligent, sexually voracious, young American woman....when it was actually the nick-name given to her as a child for her silky 'soccer' skills back in The States. Here is the latest twist:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Amanda-Knox-Meredith-Kercher-Murder-Appeal-Inmates-To-Give-Evidence-In-Appeal-Court-Rules/Article/201105315996591?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15996591_Amanda_Knox_Meredith_Kercher_Murder_Appeal%3A_Inmates_To_Give_Evidence_In_Appeal%2C_Court_Rules
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Mail article today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004335/Five-inmates-including-convicted-mobster-testify-Amanda-Knox-innocent-British-students-murder-appeal.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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Have not looked into this case really.Do you think Knox was involved Rochford? Regarding the new evidence,if this man was a burglar who was disturbed by Meredith,then why was she found half naked? Definately think that it was a sex crime and nothing but a gut feeling telling me that Knox was involved.
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Have not looked into this case really.Do you think Knox was involved Rochford? Regarding the new evidence,if this man was a burglar who was disturbed by Meredith,then why was she found half naked? Definately think that it was a sex crime and nothing but a gut feeling telling me that Knox was involved.
Not sure Tyler. I read a book about it called Darkness Descending which seemed to lay the blame on the three people who were found guilty. But books are dangerous I think sometimes. It's someone's opinion. We'll see what happens with this Mafia bloke's testimony that it was his 'on the run' brother who killed Meredith. Apparently he applied two years ago for the right to give testimony in this case. I'm not sure how the other two prison inmates fit in to the equation. One is a convicted child killer and the other is some kind of informant who had to give his testimony without having his ID revealed.
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Pinched from Quietlife...
What I do like about the Italian system is that the jury have to explain their decision in what's called a motivations report. Well, it is written by a judge, so there is obviously the allegation that the judge writes it to suit the decision made, but it is a comprehensive document and one can (supposedly) see how the jury came to its conclusion and what weight it gave to what. The Knox/Sollecito report is here http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=259 (that's a 'guilty' forum but is where I found the report).
I am on the fence with this case because it is difficult to find impartial resources as the case is very imotive - basically most of the USA think she is guilty and most of Europe think she isn't and many if not most journalists and authors of books act accordingly and choose a side. A lot of things don't add up for me though, so I can't say that I think that they are innocent, but then again, the whole drug fuelled sex orgy scenario doesn't fit in for me either, as quite a few other things don't.
Gawd, one could discuss that case for decades.
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Can I just correct the obvious error in my post! :-[ I typed it the wrong way round. Most of the USA think she's innocent of course, whereas most of Europe think she's guilty. Of course there are no scientific polls on this but that is the general consensus on those who have an opinion - of course probably the majority don't actually express their opinion, so an obvious caveat applies to what I said.
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Latest...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15103820
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I was following the appeal quite avidly but the media circus surrounding this case in recent days has become quite frankly obscene (irrespective of whether one believes that the appeal should succeed or not), so I have kept away. I'll wait for the motivations report to see how comfortable I am with the outcome. As the US have been so critical of the Italian legal system, I do hope they will maybe reflect for a moment on their own.
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if she wasnt amercan i doubt if so many of them would be saying she was innocent.
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I am with you there nugnug. Also, who would know from the reporting that she had a co defendant in the proceedings?! Has he been mentioned? What I dislike is that in much of the reporting, the actual evidence is a side issue, with many of the US networks treating this like some kind of soap opera. We only have to wait until tomorrow for the result but whatever it is, can we be really confident that the process was untainted by all this sh*t? The US seems in no rush to judge the decisions of its own system, yet they are queueing up to cry fowl here. I have been surprised by what has been allowed in evidence in this case but the motivations report from the original case is hundreds of pages, so they had to justify their findings, as will be the case with the appeal.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/
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i havent really kept up with this case, but has knox and solliceto been released ?
does that just leave guede as guilty?
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Really pleased for Amanda & Rafaelle! Justice prevailed in Italy!!!
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where does that leave the poor kerchers, their nightmare continues.
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she said sshe wasnt there at the time of the murder did she say where she was.
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she said sshe wasnt there at the time of the murder did she say where she was.
Think she originally said she was with her boyfriend the other accused Raffaele Sollecito at his place. But I think they changed their story.
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I welcome this result. The very weak, circumstantial evidence used to convict Knox and Sollecito made their conviction unsafe.
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the proscuter didn't really do his cause any favours when he called her a witch.
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I agree with Chochokeira. From the limited knowledge I have it seems this case was botched up from the start of the investigation into the murder of Merideth.
I can't help but feel heart sorry for Merideth's family. Where do they go from here? They need the truth about what happened to Meredith.
I hope that the family vent their anger and frustrations in the appropriate direction.
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i havent really kept up with this case, but has knox and solliceto been released ?
does that just leave guede as guilty?
Yes they have both been released, but it's not over just yet. The prosecution wont take the decision lying down and will appeal the decision as a matter of process and principle.
What astounds me is Rudy Guede. He had been convicted of Miss Kercher's murder in a separate trial and was sentenced to 30 years. IF Rudy Guede is guilty then why was his sentence reduced to 16 years. ???
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i havent really kept up with this case, but has knox and solliceto been released ?
does that just leave guede as guilty?
Yes they have both been released, but it's not over just yet. The prosecution wont take the decision lying down and will appeal the decision as a matter of process and principle.
What astounds me is Rudy Guede. He had been convicted of Miss Kercher's murder in a separate trial and was sentenced to 30 years. IF Rudy Guede is guilty then why was his sentence reduced to 16 years. ???
His sentence was reduced because he testified against Knox.
A bit like someone who testified against JB, and got off scott free from any charges that may have been levelled against her.
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I read an article where it stated that Amand Knox and her co accused wont get a penny compensation as it was not a malicious prosecution. ::)
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I read an article where it stated that Amand Knox and her co accused wont get a penny compensation as it was not a malicious prosecution. ::)
I don't think she will worry about that as she has already been offered a million dollars for her story.
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the daily mail really out did themselves this time.
http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2011/10/mailonline-makes-up-events-quotes-from.html
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Sky did the same, well not quite in the same way as the DM, but it was on live TV, so a big mistake. They were all wanting to be first on this story. I think most if not all the papers had a story already prepared for each of the possible outcomes, so they were ready to press the button. They all do it but it doesn't of course make it right.
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/10/03/foto/amanda_skynews_sbaglia_la_traduzione_e_la_condanna_-22647496/1/
I think the decision was the correct one. I feel for the Kerchers and can understand their view that there were 10,000 pages of evidence, but this appeal effectively discredited two huge bits of evidence, a knife possibly used in the commission of the offences with the victim and AK's DNA on it and virtually the only thing that directly linked RS to the crime scene. Those things would have been hugely important to a jury over here considering an initial verdict under the same circumstances. Of course Italy does it the opposite way round to us, Judges at first instance and jurors at the first appeal. Any final hearing will not include lay jurors, I wonder whether that will mean greater/different consideration of the other evidence?
However, I do think the finding relating to the offence of implicating Patrick Lumumba is quite odd. The court increased the sentence and the defence apparently accepted that the allegations were not made due to duress/coercion .... so why would she implicate him? Finding her guilty of that and not of the murder seems odd to me? Was that damage limitation in terms of the sentence already served? to save a civil action?
The media will run with this for weeks/months but the motivations report will be interesting. It should also give some clues as to what the final appeal may/will have to overcome. Mind you the Dr Murray/Michael Jackson trial is in full swing so maybe the US media will move on quicker than we think.
God bless the Kercher family though, an exemplar of dignified behaviour during what must have been a terrible ordeal for them, which unfortunately continues. :(
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they seem convicted just becouse there behavior after the murder was a bit odd.
but people react to trauma in all different ways.
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I read an article where it stated that Amand Knox and her co accused wont get a penny compensation as it was not a malicious prosecution. ::)
I don't think she will worry about that as she has already been offered a million dollars for her story.
She may sell her story but that doesnt guarantee that it will be her own words that are put in print. Suing the people/departments that were responsible for securing a wrongful conviction against them, in my view, is what needs to be done first and foremost, if not miscarriages of justice will continue to occur as people are not being held accountable for their actions, and any wrong doings will be kept out of the public domain.
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oh shes guilty.
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oh shes guilty.
Wichy.......I agree! I actually believe all 3 are guilty.
The prosecution are appealing them being let off,should be heard sometime later this year?
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the Americans had the cheek to say itallys justice system was outdated.
the words pot kettle and black spring to mind there.
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the Americans had the cheek to say itallys justice system was outdated.
the words pot kettle and black spring to mind there.
I actually think that the italian justice system handled the case really well.Until they let 2 of them go free!
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well if they had been convicted in American i think they would still be jail right now.
itally appeal system certainly seemed far superior to ours.
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well if they had been convicted in American i think they would still be jail right now.
itally appeal system certainly seemed far superior to ours.
Totally agree!