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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: buddy on June 05, 2017, 05:06:PM
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For those that are not sure what I mean, It is where the police are sure that a person is guilty of an offence but lack evidence, so make evidence fit the crime.
This has happened lots of times, but we only learn of such cases as the Guilford four, the Birmingham seven ect. There must be a lot more cases where this has happened where the police are desperate to make an arrest. The Michael Stone case is another example.
Stone had the same verdict 10/2, but the public were happy that the police had done a good job.
Problem is a innocent person is in jail.
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For those that are not sure what I mean, It is where the police are sure that a person is guilty of an offence but lack evidence, so make evidence fit the crime.
This has happened lots of times, but we only learn of such cases as the Guilford four, the Birmingham seven ect. There must be a lot more cases where this has happened where the police are desperate to make an arrest. The Michael Stone case is another example.
Stone had the same verdict 10/2, but the public were happy that the police had done a good job.
Problem is a innocent person is in jail.
Were the police sure the the Guildford four and Birmingham six were guilty? I don't think they cared that much, they were Northern Irish and in the vicinity. Totally different kettle of fish.
As for Michael Stone, it hasn't yet been proven that he is innocent - it may well happen but the the evidence in his case wasn't fabricated by the police.
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Were the police sure the the Guildford four and Birmingham six were guilty? I don't think they cared that much, they were Northern Irish and in the vicinity. Totally different kettle of fish.
As for Michael Stone, it hasn't yet been proven that he is innocent - it may well happen but the the evidence in his case wasn't fabricated by the police.
Are you joking?
A file was witheld in the case of the people accused of the Guildford Bombings. The file was clearly labelled with 'do not show to the defence'. The police were well aware who was really responsible for the horrendous crime. But that's ok Caroline because you believe in noble cause corruption
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Are you joking?
A file was witheld in the case of the people accused of the Guildford Bombings. The file was clearly labelled with 'do not show to the defence'. The police were well aware who was really responsible for the horrendous crime. But that's ok Caroline because you believe in noble cause corruption
No Jackie I wasn't joking
The Guildford four (and Birmingham six) were a REAL MOJ which is why I said these cases were a " Totally different kettle of fish" - sorry if it's confusing!
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No Jackie I wasn't joking
The Guildford four (and Birmingham six) were a REAL MOJ which is why I said these cases were a " Totally different kettle of fish" - sorry if it's confusing!
Could you please provide us with the information as to why this is not a MOJ.
if your answer involves any of the following.
A) Nothing tangible
B) Evidence of absence
C) Shifting the burden of proof
It dose not answer anything.
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For those that are not sure what I mean, It is where the police are sure that a person is guilty of an offence but lack evidence, so make evidence fit the crime.
This has happened lots of times, but we only learn of such cases as the Guilford four, the Birmingham seven ect. There must be a lot more cases where this has happened where the police are desperate to make an arrest. The Michael Stone case is another example.
Stone had the same verdict 10/2, but the public were happy that the police had done a good job.
Problem is a innocent person is in jail.
Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
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Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
Hi Maggie
it is horrendous that this is going on in this day and age but most of us believe it is. I agree it is better that a guilty man walks free than society accepting corruption and lying is acceptable in our Judicial System.
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The Christopher Alder case was horrendous. A poor man lying on the floor dying while police ignored him. I remember the case,though don't know when it was but some cases stick in your mind. How his family coped with that I don't know as I don't think he even committed any crime either. It was awful the way he was treated.
You hear very little about the behaviour of the police at the time,which was disgusting.
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Could you please provide us with the information as to why this is not a MOJ.
if your answer involves any of the following.
A) Nothing tangible
B) Evidence of absence
C) Shifting the burden of proof
It dose not answer anything.
Because he's guilty.
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Because he's guilty.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
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Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
Oh for gods sake, the forum is packed full of reasons. His whole story is bollocks and can't be backed up,he relies on spelling mistakes and admin errors to fight his case. No forensics on Sheila but he had time to clean himself up. He has changed his timings to fit in a call from Nevill - it's pathetic! The circumstantial evidence goes on and on. No there isn't much in the way of forensic evidence against him but he had time to make sure there wasn't.
I don't hold with you theory that he's innocent because he would have been 'too tired' - that's possibly the weakkest argument I have heard yet!
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The Christopher Alder case was horrendous. A poor man lying on the floor dying while police ignored him. I remember the case,though don't know when it was but some cases stick in your mind. How his family coped with that I don't know as I don't think he even committed any crime either. It was awful the way he was treated.
You hear very little about the behaviour of the police at the time,which was disgusting.
Hi Lookout. it is still going on for the family, there was more to this case which makes it even worse if that is possible.
Christopher Alder was an ex paratrooper who had served in the Falklands. He died in police custody of suffocation in a dreadful racist physical attack by the police, it was recorded on CCTV so there is no doubt as to the cause of death.
His body was discovered in a morgue in Hull 11 years after he had officially been buried. It turned out a woman had been buried in his grave by 'mistake'.
His family suspect his body had been used for police training, a police watch dog has refused to investigate this.
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Because he's guilty.
How ?
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Hi Lookout. it is still going on for the family, there was more to this case which makes it even worse if that is possible.
Christopher Alder was an ex paratrooper who had served in the Falklands. He died in police custody of suffocation in a dreadful racist physical attack by the police, it was recorded on CCTV so there is no doubt as to the cause of death.
His body was discovered in a morgue in Hull 11 years after he had officially been buried. It turned out a woman had been buried in his grave by 'mistake'.
His family suspect his body had been used for police training, a police watch dog has refused to investigate this.
Good Heavens,Maggie,I hadn't realised all that. I'd vaguely remembered that he'd suffocated,which was awful anyway,but had forgotten the history of what happened to him. What a disgrace to the poor man and his family.
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His whole story is bollocks and can't be backed up
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
No forensics on Sheila but he had time to clean himself up.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
he relies on spelling mistakes and admin errors to fight his case.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
He has changed his timings to fit in a call from Nevill - it's pathetic!
How does that prove he has massacred his family and engineered it into mass murder suicide?
The circumstantial evidence goes on and on.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
I don't hold with you theory that he's innocent because he would have been 'too tired' - that's possibly the weakkest argument I have heard yet!
I never said that thou did I? I was simply giving a far more reasonable answer to 'the last trailer' which is in itself not even evidence of anything.
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Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
How does that prove he has massacred his family and engineered it into mass murder suicide?
Having stated an opinion, as opposed to fact, now justify it, back it up with your reasons.
I never said that thou did I? I was simply giving a far more reasonable answer to 'the last trailer' which is in itself not even evidence of anything.
None of your answers are reasonable and you quote yourself as a source of fact. You take parts of what people have sad and try to make it look as though it is their WHOLE argument - you're just like Trump! So, using your own tactics, I will reiterate - him being tired is the weakest excuse for hi not being guilty.
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Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
Thank you Maggie. I am disgusted by anyone who believes it's ok in some cases. There is a legal process that should be followed and nobody has the right to play god with people's lives for their own gain
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you're just like Trump!
Thank you Caroline! ^-^
https://youtu.be/Lu4VUsaxs6E?t=8s (https://youtu.be/Lu4VUsaxs6E?t=8s)
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Thank you Maggie. I am disgusted by anyone who believes it's ok in some cases. There is a legal process that should be followed and nobody has the right to play god with people's lives for their own gain
Jackie well said and I agree with you and Maggie. The Legal process should be followed to the letter.
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Does anyone think that the relatives would have known of the workings of Noble Cause Corruption ? RWB particularly ? Or were told ??
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Noble cause corruption should not take place anywhere.
However I don't know what this has got to do with the Bamber case.
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How would you know,Adam ?
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Strange how after a month of EP having nothing on JB,suddenly have all hands ( relatives inc. ) looking for anything at all that would nail him.
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Strange how after a month of EP having nothing on JB,suddenly have all hands ( relatives inc. ) looking for anything at all that would nail him.
At what point was a statement released in which it was stated that Jeremy was believed to be innocent?
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At what point was a statement released in which it was stated that Jeremy was believed to be innocent?
You must have been asked these questions a few years back.I'm sure you'd have had the answers yourself then when others asked the same questions,so why bother asking ?
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You must have been asked these questions a few years back.I'm sure you'd have had the answers yourself then when others asked the same questions,so why bother asking ?
Unless you care to take the trouble to say differently, I have neither recall of the question being asked, NOR having had answers.
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Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
Hi Maggie, Yes I have heard of the Christopher Alder case, and the police cover up. It was horrendous.
The police were happy with murder/ suicide but were swayed by the family imo..They then made the evidence fit the crime. With holding evidence, and telling downright lies.
The family gained financial security, Mugford gained financially all without a shred of PROOF.
The countless of interviews of Mugford by Jones, and the dropping of bank fraud charges were all worth it to gain a conviction.
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Hi Maggie, Yes I have heard of the Christopher Alder case, and the police cover up. It was horrendous.
The police were happy with murder/ suicide but were swayed by the family imo..They then made the evidence fit the crime. With holding evidence, and telling downright lies.
The family gained financial security, Mugford gained financially all without a shred of PROOF.
The countless of interviews of Mugford by Jones, and the dropping of bank fraud charges were all worth it to gain a conviction.
The Christopher Alder case is totally horrendous, it fills me with shame and horror that such a thing could happen in this country. If it had happened to a white guy I am sure there would have been uproar but because he was black the family are still fighting for justice 15 years later.
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Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
Your last statement is worded poorly. Do u think they are mutually exclusive? But fundamentally I disagree with what u are saying.
Are u basing this on anything or just making a judgemental statement for the sake of it?
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Your last statement is worded poorly. Do u think they are mutually exclusive? But fundamentally I disagree with what u are saying.
Are u basing this on anything or just making a judgemental statement for the sake of it?
I happen to believe the Christopher Alders case is appalling. I probably know more about the horrendous effect this has had on his family. They are all victims imo.
It's up to you whether you agree with me or not petey and as you are qualified in law no doubt you could counter my argument. I still stand by what I wrote which is that corruption in any form should be totally unacceptable in our legal system.
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I happen to believe the Christopher Alders case is appalling. I probably know more about the horrendous effect this has had on his family. They are all victims imo.
It's up to you whether you agree with me or not petey and as you are qualified in law no doubt you could counter my argument. I still stand by what I wrote which is that corruption in any form should be totally unacceptable in our legal system.
I've not said that corruption is acceptable in any guise. I know nothing about the Christopher Alders case so can't comment on that.
I am saying that you cannot possibly link allowing a guilty person to go free, with this meaning society does not close its eyes to lying and corruption. The legal system does not fit neatly into boxes like that and there will also always be grey areas.
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There are NO grey areas when somebody gets fitted up
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I've not said that corruption is acceptable in any guise. I know nothing about the Christopher Alders case so can't comment on that.
I am saying that you cannot possibly link allowing a guilty person to go free, with this meaning society does not close its eyes to lying and corruption. The legal system does not fit nearly into boxes like that and there will also always be grey areas.
I am aware there are always grey areas petey, in every part of life and even on this forum but for all that an acceptance of corruption however 'noble' is unacceptable in my opinion because it is the thin end of the wedge. If the law allows noble cause corruption I still don't agree with it.
I accept that there are two different subjects lumped together in my post and it is a bit unclear, it would have been better as two different posts but it's hardly a hanging offence, do think you are splitting hairs.
May be worth reading up about the Christopher Alder case, it is something to behold.
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I am aware there are always grey areas petey, in every part of life and even on this forum but for all that an acceptance of corruption however 'noble' is unacceptable in my opinion because it is the thin end of the wedge. If the law allows noble cause corruption I still don't agree with it.
I accept that there are two different subjects lumped together in my post and it is a bit unclear, it would have been better as two different posts but it's hardly a hanging offence, do think you are splitting hairs.
May be worth reading up about the Christopher Alder case, it is something to behold.
If Jeremy had walked free having killed 5 people - would that be justice?
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If Jeremy had walked free having killed 5 people - would that be justice?
He didn't kill 5 people
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He didn't kill 5 people
That isn't an answer to the question. IF he did kill 5 people, would it be justice if he's walked free?
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That isn't an answer to the question. IF he did kill 5 people, would it be justice if he's walked free?
Well if there was no evidence against him he should have walked, that's what innocent until proven guilty means doesn't it.
You can't go licking people up because you think they are guilty Caroline, enough people are being locked up that are innocent, we don't need any more.
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Well if there was no evidence against him he should have walked, that's what innocent until proven guilty means doesn't it.
You can't go licking people up because you think they are guilty Caroline, enough people are being locked up that are innocent, we don't need any more.
Then, IF, as you suggest, there was no evidence against Jeremy, how come 10 out of 12 jurors believed he was guilty? I'm inclined to believe they heard enough evidence to convince them he was guilty.
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Then, IF, as you suggest, there was no evidence against Jeremy, how come 10 out of 12 jurors believed he was guilty? I'm inclined to believe they heard enough evidence to convince them he was guilty.
Circumstantial evidence Jane. And who tells the best story on the day. How else do you believe mojs happen
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That isn't an answer to the question. IF he did kill 5 people, would it be justice if he's walked free?
You are obviously aware there is a legal process
Innocent people are sent to prison and guilty people walk free
We need a better legal system to hear appeals quicker
Absolutely no room for noble cause corruption
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Well if there was no evidence against him he should have walked, that's what innocent until proven guilty means doesn't it.
You can't go licking people up because you think they are guilty Caroline, enough people are being locked up that are innocent, we don't need any more.
There are over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. So it had to be Bamber.
Although there have been suggestions from Mike, Sherlock & even Bamber of a third party commiting the massacre.
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You are obviously aware there is a legal process
Innocent people are sent to prison and guilty people walk free
We need a better legal system to hear appeals quicker
Absolutely no room for noble cause corruption
That's not the answer - it's a yes/no question. If Jeremy killed 5 people and walked free - is that JUSTICE?
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Don't be ridiculous, I know Jeremy is innocent so it doesn't apply to him
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Don't be ridiculous, I know Jeremy is innocent so it doesn't apply to him
Too scared to look at the question objectively, Jackie?
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There are over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. So it had to be Bamber.
Although there have been suggestions from Mike, Sherlock & even Bamber of a third party commiting the massacre.
Adam can you please clarify exactly how many pieces of "evidence" you have? ::)
200 pieces of forensic and circumstantial evidence.
Only 100+ pieces. But since when was that enough for supporters ?
There are over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. So it had to be Bamber.
28 pieces of forensic evidence.
30 pieces of forensic evidence incriminating Bamber.
Well there are 19 pieces of foremsic evidence
33 forensic points which link Bamber to the crime.
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Then, IF, as you suggest, there was no evidence against Jeremy, how come 10 out of 12 jurors believed he was guilty? I'm inclined to believe they heard enough evidence to convince them he was guilty.
What was your reasoning behind the ten jurors verdict for the 29 or so years when you believed Sheila was the killer Jane J?
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Adam can you please clarify exactly how many pieces of "evidence" you have? ::)
Well the library has well over 40 threads. Some of the threads relate to more than one piece.
Recently points 47 - 51 of the COA had over 20 pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila did not fire a weapon, re load or fight.
So I would say well over 50.
In criminal cases, just one piece is needed.
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What was your reasoning behind the ten jurors verdict for the 29 or so years when you believed Sheila was the killer Jane J?
I THINK I was probably dismissive of them, as in "What do they know"? You know how it is with conspiracy theories. All that's reasonable gets ignored in favour of the extraordinary.
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Don't be ridiculous, I know Jeremy is innocent so it doesn't apply to him
You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.
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You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.
Try and keep up Caroline
There is a justice system where many murderers walk free and many innocent people are locked up when they are innocent
You have to live with it
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You know nowt about this case but have been spouting how Jeremy will be free soon for YEARS. How can you campaign for Bamber when your Twitter account is private? Preaching to the converted isn't campaigning! ::)
Your posts aren't weak, they couldn't be described as being even THAT good. I'll give you credit though because what you don't know, you just make up!
Your time would be better spent on a desert island surrounded by man eating sharks. God forbid they ever swallowed you though - that would be one mighty belly ache! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
My account is not private to my 2000 followers
Deal with it
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You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.
Would that be Beyond Reasonable Doubt ??
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You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.
well we would never know if it was justice or not because if there wasn't enough evidence to convict your left with only your own opinions.
It has to be proven doesn't it? Or what else have we got
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My account is not private to my 2000 followers
Deal with it
And that's who you campaign to? You preach to the converted - that's NOT CAMPAIGNING! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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well we would never know if it was justice or not because if there wasn't enough evidence to convict your left with only your own opinions.
It has to be proven doesn't it? Or what else have we got
You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
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You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
I think we all know the answer. Had it not been for the abolition of double jeopardy, the killers of Stephen Lawrence would have gotten away with it. Is that Justice?
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You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
And that's who you campaign to? You preach to the converted - that's NOT CAMPAIGNING! ;D ;D ;D ;D
You obviously do not have the intelligence to realise how Twitter works or how many people it reaches
Please name one single thing you did to help Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
Absolutely nothing
You don't even understand what campaigning means
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I think we all know the answer. Had it not been for the abolition of double jeopardy, the killers of Stephen Lawrence would have gotten away with it. Is that Justice?
That's our legal system and sometimes it goes wrong
What's your bright idea then?
Give the police cart blanche to fit anyone up who they 'think' was responsible for the crime
Why don't you right to the powers to be and tell them you think we should stop using the jury system
It's hilarious, kangeroo courts everywhere
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You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
no
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You obviously do not have the intelligence to realise how Twitter works or how many people it reaches
Please name one single thing you did to help Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
Absolutely nothing
You don't even understand what campaigning means
If the only people who can see your tweets are the people who follow you then you are already preaching to the converted and not to new people who wouldn't be able to see what you have said.
What did I do for Jeremy when I thought he was innocent? The same as most other people here - your point being?
I understand that a campaign it to get a message out to people who may not know about the subject. It is to drum up support - you won't do that if such people can't see what your message is.
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That's our legal system and sometimes it goes wrong
What's your bright idea then?
Give the police cart blanche to fit anyone up who they 'think' was responsible for the crime
Why don't you right to the powers to be and tell them you think we should stop using the jury system
It's hilarious, kangeroo courts everywhere
And sometimes it goes right and the killer of 5 people gets a whole life tariff.
You asked me a question and answered it yourself so I won't bother
I don't think we should stop using the jury system - where did I say that? I am happy with the jury's decision in this case - they found him guilty!
I don't think kangaroo's should be allowed in court :-\
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If the only people who can see your tweets are the people who follow you then you are already preaching to the converted and not to new people who wouldn't be able to see what you have said.
What did I do for Jeremy when I thought he was innocent? The same as most other people here - your point being?
I understand that a campaign it to get a message out to people who may not know about the subject. It is to drum up support - you won't do that if such people can't see what your message is.
I cannot believe that I have found someone who doesn't understand twitter
At least you have admitted you weren't capable of helping Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
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If Jeremy had walked free having killed 5 people - would that be justice?
Of course it's a huge argument Caroline, I'm not disputing that and of course no one should walk free after committing any murder.
For all that guilt or innocence has to be proven without corruption imo honesty in the judicial system is paramount. As I said any corruption noble or not is the thin edge of the wedge imo.
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Of course it's a huge argument Caroline, I'm not disputing that and of course no one should walk free after committing any murder.
For all that guilt or innocence has to be proven without corruption imo honesty in the judicial system is paramount. As I said any corruption noble or not is the thin edge of the wedge imo.
Maggie Justice is not just about a guilty man walking free but also about an innocent man given a whole life tariff for a crime he did not commit a case should go to Court with genuine evidence available.
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Maggie Justice is not just about a guilty man walking free but also about an innocent man given a whole life tariff for a crime he did not commit a case should go to Court with genuine evidence available.
No, justice is not just about a guilty man going free - but that 'was' my question!
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Noble cause corruption is cited on Wikipedia using Arthur Allan Thomas as a prime example. In this case, Len Demmler shot his son in law Harvey Crewewith a one shot 22, then bludgeoned his daughter Jeanette before reloading and shooting her in the face. He killed them because Jeanette had just visited the family lawyer and seen her mother's will her father had forged in his favour. She phoned him demanding a meeting, she got it alright.
The plods would not fooled by this straightforward crime theory and arrested a neighbouring farmer, and planted a cartridge case under the window of the house to bolster their non case. The garden had been meticulously seive searched previously and the cops were busted. Arthur spent only 9 years in jail, which is a pretty light internment for cases of this nature. Ask Jeremy Bamber.
"Obviously I can't help gloating at the prospect of the execrable kitty heels being bundled from Tory leadership on the back of her profoundly arrogant and disastrous foray into power mongering.
Her handling of Bamber alone makes this moment sweet.
(I have saved this post for my own enjoyment later, since it may have a short half life here)."
The last two paragraphs I posted on Red, but John will remove the post, so I place it here also.
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Noble cause corruption is cited on Wikipedia using Arthur Allan Thomas as a prime example. In this case, Len Demmler shot his son in law Harvey Crewewith a one shot 22, then bludgeoned his daughter Jeanette before reloading and shooting her in the face. He killed them because Jeanette had just visited the family lawyer and seen her mother's will her father had forged in his favour. She phoned him demanding a meeting, she got it alright.
The plods would not fooled by this straightforward crime theory and arrested a neighbouring farmer, and planted a cartridge case under the window of the house to bolster their non case. The garden had been meticulously seive searched previously and the cops were busted. Arthur spent only 9 years in jail, which is a pretty light internment for cases of this nature. Ask Jeremy Bamber.
"Obviously I can't help gloating at the prospect of the execrable kitty heels being bundled from Tory leadership on the back of her profoundly arrogant and disastrous foray into power mongering.
Her handling of Bamber alone makes this moment sweet.
(I have saved this post for my own enjoyment later, since it may have a short half life here)."
The last two paragraphs I posted on Red, but John will remove the post, so I place it here also.
I'm not taking your post down. It's quite a night.
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I'm not taking your post down. It's quite a night.
I have a lot of difficulty making people understand the buck stops with Home secretaries and Prime ministers.
Rob Muldoon as prime minister of New Zealand, same parliamentary system, pardoned and released Arthur Allan Thomas. Theresa May should pardon and release Jeremy Bamber if she had any guts.
Even my friend Holly fails to see this.
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No, justice is not just about a guilty man going free - but that 'was' my question!
Caroline no it would not be justice if a guilty man walked free.
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How come a guilty man walks free,anyway ? What prompts that ?
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Caroline no it would not be justice if a guilty man walked free.
It would not be moral justice but would be legal justice as things stand.
If our legal justice system was built on the moral justice demanded by the injured parties then surely we are moving towards sharia law or am I missing the point? Bit bleary this morning!!
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Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ?
My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?
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It would not be moral justice but would be legal justice as things stand.
If our legal justice system was built on the moral justice demanded by the injured parties then surely we are moving towards sharia law or am I missing the point? Bit bleary this morning!!
It also wouldn't be justice for any other person who suffered as a result of a guilty man (or woman) walking free. Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you are saying but the concept of justice isn't clear cut. If someone is found not guilty we generally accept that and think the court has done it's job but those involved in the case (police, victims, etc.) see anther sid of it and if they KNOW the person is guilty it must be VERY frustrating to se them walk.
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Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ?
My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?
Why would he support Bamber? He has made no comments about it whatsoever. Not that it makes any difference now.
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Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ?
My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?
It has occurred to me that if they get into power they may look at it. Corbyn is a generous and empathetic man who may listen to both sides of the argument with an open mind.
Labour has just gained Kensington, London.. (Not Kensington Liverpool Lookout ;D). That is an increduble result! :o :o
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Of course it's a huge argument Caroline, I'm not disputing that and of course no one should walk free after committing any murder.
For all that guilt or innocence has to be proven without corruption imo honesty in the judicial system is paramount. As I said any corruption noble or not is the thin edge of the wedge imo.
thank you Maggie perfect reply
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Maggie Justice is not just about a guilty man walking free but also about an innocent man given a whole life tariff for a crime he did not commit a case should go to Court with genuine evidence available.
Thank you Susan, there is no room for nobel cause corruption, no grey areas
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This thread is locked until I have time to edit it once again. Have just moved some abuse and now there's a whole bunch more. Please try to stick to the thread and leave personalities out of it. Cheers.
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Hi buddy
IMO Noble Cause Corruption is never acceptable. We are supposed to have one of the best justice systems in the world because of habeas corpus, innocent before proven guilty etc. Even so we still should be aware of corruption in our legal system.
Have you read about the appalling case of Christopher Alder and the massive cover up by police?
It's the thin end of the wedge and we should never accept any kind of corruption in our legal system.
Better that one guilty person goes free than we close our eyes to corruption, manipulation and lying in the legal system.
Your post is so far from actual reality that I had to log in after a few months break to correct you !
You said "We are supposed to have one of the best legal systems in the world" - how naïve are you ?
We have one of the worst legal systems in the entire world.
Miscarriages of justice happen hundreds of times a day in this country.
That includes civil as well as criminal miscarriages.
We live in a system corrupt from the absolute top down.
If Ted Heath was still alive he would be interviewed under caution for killing children.
Thatcher was extremely close friends with Jimmy Saville.
Do you think our more recent leaders were allowed into power without our rulers already having holds on them ?
We live in an extremely corrupt society.
Actually go to any Court in this country and open your eyes.
You will see after a short time that I am 100% correct - we have one of the worst Court systems on the entire planet.
There is an illusion of justice in this country - but it is just that - an illusion.
Go to a few Court houses before answering this with opinions you have been given by our tightly controlled media.
You probably think we have a free media in this country ?
We absolutely do not.
Try to start an independent newspaper in this country and see what they do to you.
There is no free press in England - they are too scared of it to allow it.
If their secrets got out they would be finished in minutes.
I know 100% what I am talking about through huge life long experience of these things.
And remember when you come to realise how shockingly appalling our current Court system is then just remember it was a lot worse in 1985.
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There are over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. So it had to be Bamber.
Although there have been suggestions from Mike, Sherlock & even Bamber of a third party commiting the massacre.
Hello Adam - don't forget Julie Mugford from your list - she also said a third party committed the massacre ...
The Yorkshire Ripper was arrested and released to kill more victims - because he had an "unshakeable" alibi - he isn't the only UK serial killer that this has happened to either - does anyone anywhere actually know what Malcoms "unshakeable alibi" actually was ?
If his alibi was ever disproved then every thing in this case would make perfect sense to me - I would have no more unanswered questions ...
WPC Jeaves almost certainly saw a rifle in the window that was not there later -( add that to the possible "movement" spotted in another window ) - in my mind there was someone else in the farm alive when Jeremy was outside - was it Malcolm ?
Every body makes mistakes - including plenty of Police Officers - but when a firearms INSTRUCTOR says she thought she saw a gun in a window then you can bet your life that she thought she saw a gun in that window and that she almost certainly actually did see a gun in that window ...
Firearms INSTRUCTORS just don't make mistakes like that easily ...
There is a very strong possibility indeed that she was correct ...
Ask yourself this one question Adam :
What specific reasons absolutely convince you that WPC Jeaves was wrong ?
If WPC Jeaves was right then it does not mean that Jeremy is guilty or innocent - but it would mean that a third party other than Jeremy was involved in the murders ...
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Great point Sherlock. I have often wondered how cast iron his alibi was. He was a bit of a jack the lad and a bit of a bullshitter by all accounts but that doesn't mean he could not have committed the crimes. The only thing against this scenario is that if he was still in the house when JB and the police arrived how did he get out without being seen? Did he hide in the loft? Surely the police would have looked in there but how well did they check it. Was he the famous hunch-backed man seen walking away? Was this the reason that JB was selling loads of items in order to pay him off? So who was the lady who gave him this alibi?
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Hello Adam - don't forget Julie Mugford from your list - she also said a third party committed the massacre ...
The Yorkshire Ripper was arrested and released to kill more victims - because he had an "unshakeable" alibi - he isn't the only UK serial killer that this has happened to either - does anyone anywhere actually know what Malcoms "unshakeable alibi" actually was ?
If his alibi was ever disproved then every thing in this case would make perfect sense to me - I would have no more unanswered questions ...
WPC Jeaves almost certainly saw a rifle in the window that was not there later -( add that to the possible "movement" spotted in another window ) - in my mind there was someone else in the farm alive when Jeremy was outside - was it Malcolm ?
Every body makes mistakes - including plenty of Police Officers - but when a firearms INSTRUCTOR says she thought she saw a gun in a window then you can bet your life that she thought she saw a gun in that window and that she almost certainly actually did see a gun in that window ...
Firearms INSTRUCTORS just don't make mistakes like that easily ...
There is a very strong possibility indeed that she was correct ...
Ask yourself this one question Adam :
What specific reasons absolutely convince you that WPC Jeaves was wrong ?
If WPC Jeaves was right then it does not mean that Jeremy is guilty or innocent - but it would mean that a third party other than Jeremy was involved in the murders ...
Yes, weeks after the massacre Bamber did say Nevill might have said 'she' rather than 'Sheila'. As well as saying Crispy could have fired the second shot.
This was when the police said Sheila couldn't have shot herself twice.
Not sure why Nevill would ring Bamber if the killer was an unknown person. I thought Nevill rang Bamber because Bamber knew Sheila. Although so did June.
Bamber told the police he didn't like Sheila & she didn't like him. So big mistake by Nevill.
Nugs has suggested Bamber couldn't have cycled to WHF as he could have got lost, which supports his theory someone hid in the loft. Although he won't say who.
Anyway, the police checked the loft.
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Your post is so far from actual reality that I had to log in after a few months break to correct you !
You said "We are supposed to have one of the best legal systems in the world" - how naïve are you ?
We have one of the worst legal systems in the entire world.
Miscarriages of justice happen hundreds of times a day in this country.
That includes civil as well as criminal miscarriages.
We live in a system corrupt from the absolute top down.
If Ted Heath was still alive he would be interviewed under caution for killing children.
Thatcher was extremely close friends with Jimmy Saville.
Do you think our more recent leaders were allowed into power without our rulers already having holds on them ?
We live in an extremely corrupt society.
Actually go to any Court in this country and open your eyes.
You will see after a short time that I am 100% correct - we have one of the worst Court systems on the entire planet.
There is an illusion of justice in this country - but it is just that - an illusion.
Go to a few Court houses before answering this with opinions you have been given by our tightly controlled media.
You probably think we have a free media in this country ?
We absolutely do not.
Try to start an independent newspaper in this country and see what they do to you.
There is no free press in England - they are too scared of it to allow it.
If their secrets got out they would be finished in minutes.
I know 100% what I am talking about through huge life long experience of these things.
And remember when you come to realise how shockingly appalling our current Court system is then just remember it was a lot worse in 1985.
I said SUPPOSED I did not say we HAD. Don't you understand the difference? In fact your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
I am far from naïve and well aware there is as much corruption in our Establishment as in any other and don't need a lecture from you thanks very much.
Anyway your theory is ridiculous and I don't think even you believe it.
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Hello Adam - don't forget Julie Mugford from your list - she also said a third party committed the massacre ...
The Yorkshire Ripper was arrested and released to kill more victims - because he had an "unshakeable" alibi - he isn't the only UK serial killer that this has happened to either - does anyone anywhere actually know what Malcoms "unshakeable alibi" actually was ?
If his alibi was ever disproved then every thing in this case would make perfect sense to me - I would have no more unanswered questions ...
WPC Jeaves almost certainly saw a rifle in the window that was not there later -( add that to the possible "movement" spotted in another window ) - in my mind there was someone else in the farm alive when Jeremy was outside - was it Malcolm ?
Every body makes mistakes - including plenty of Police Officers - but when a firearms INSTRUCTOR says she thought she saw a gun in a window then you can bet your life that she thought she saw a gun in that window and that she almost certainly actually did see a gun in that window ...
Firearms INSTRUCTORS just don't make mistakes like that easily ...
There is a very strong possibility indeed that she was correct ...
Ask yourself this one question Adam :
What specific reasons absolutely convince you that WPC Jeaves was wrong ?
If WPC Jeaves was right then it does not mean that Jeremy is guilty or innocent - but it would mean that a third party other than Jeremy was involved in the murders ...
Was Peter Sutcliffe arrested and then released? I understand that he was questioned along with others but that's all. He was arrested eventually but not released.
I'd be interested in MM's alibi too - we don't hear much about that.
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I think a third party was mentioned because JM didn't want to implicate Jeremy. It usually happens that way when one looks to someone else to blame.
If Jeremy had had relatives on his side JM would have sided with them instead of the others. It's how it goes.
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Kaldin, Peter Sutcliffe was interviewed many times by various police departments but was never arrested for any of the murders and then released. When he was finally caught he was taken into custody due to false number plates on his car. How they never arrested him prior to this has always amazed me. The photofit pictures done by people who survived were so much like him it was unbelievable that he was never arrested, they were so much like him.
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Kaldin, Peter Sutcliffe was interviewed many times by various police departments but was never arrested for any of the murders and then released. When he was finally caught he was taken into custody due to false number plates on his car. How they never arrested him prior to this has always amazed me. The photofit pictures done by people who survived were so much like him it was unbelievable that he was never arrested, they were so much like him.
Exactly, he was never arrested and then released.
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Kaldin, Peter Sutcliffe was interviewed many times by various police departments but was never arrested for any of the murders and then released. When he was finally caught he was taken into custody due to false number plates on his car. How they never arrested him prior to this has always amazed me. The photofit pictures done by people who survived were so much like him it was unbelievable that he was never arrested, they were so much like him.
You are correct - my wording could have been better.
He was not arrested but was interviewed as a suspect 9 times.
If he had refused to be interviewed then they would have arrested him.
He had no choice but to take part in the interviews - he was a strong suspect.
They ruled him out initially because of his false alibi.
Did you know Jimmy Saville was also a suspect in the Ripper case ?
They made a cast of his teeth to match against a victim.
Many people say he was friends with the Ripper before he was caught.
He certainly became friends with him after in Broadmoor.
One victim was found yards from Savilles house.
Allegedly Saville was supplying children to Ted Heath to murder on his yacht.
This is one reason why Saville was above the law and could not be arrested.
Maybe this protection extended to his friend the Ripper ?
Maybe they were not able to cover up the number plate incident ?
Saville was given the keys to Broadmoor and certainly looked after his friend the Ripper in there ...
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I said SUPPOSED I did not say we HAD. Don't you understand the difference? In fact your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
I am far from naïve and well aware there is as much corruption in our Establishment as in any other and don't need a lecture from you thanks very much.
Anyway your theory is ridiculous and I don't think even you believe it.
I do apologise Maggie - it shows how confusing words can be.
You are very obviously not naïve and you are not under any illusions about our Establishment.
Many rulers in history use the tactic of having holds on every one below them in the hierarchy.
Hitler did this but he is far from the only one in history to do so.
Did you see what happened in Barcelona recently ?
The states violent reaction was not because they want to form an independent nation.
It was because they want to form a Republic ie without the Royal family in charge.
The first 10 times I went to Spain Hitlers mate and fellow dictator Franco was still in charge.
I take nothing for granted.
If you think you can start an independent newspaper in this country then you would be surprised at what would happen to you in my honest opinion.
I genuinely believe it would be a lot more possible in Russia or Zimbabwe for example.
This honest view is based on my very extensive experience in this country.
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Your post is so far from actual reality that I had to log in after a few months break to correct you !
You said "We are supposed to have one of the best legal systems in the world" - how naïve are you ?
We have one of the worst legal systems in the entire world.
Miscarriages of justice happen hundreds of times a day in this country.
That includes civil as well as criminal miscarriages.
We live in a system corrupt from the absolute top down.
If Ted Heath was still alive he would be interviewed under caution for killing children.
Thatcher was extremely close friends with Jimmy Saville.
Do you think our more recent leaders were allowed into power without our rulers already having holds on them ?
We live in an extremely corrupt society.
Actually go to any Court in this country and open your eyes.
You will see after a short time that I am 100% correct - we have one of the worst Court systems on the entire planet.
There is an illusion of justice in this country - but it is just that - an illusion.
Go to a few Court houses before answering this with opinions you have been given by our tightly controlled media.
You probably think we have a free media in this country ?
We absolutely do not.
Try to start an independent newspaper in this country and see what they do to you.
There is no free press in England - they are too scared of it to allow it.
If their secrets got out they would be finished in minutes.
I know 100% what I am talking about through huge life long experience of these things.
And remember when you come to realise how shockingly appalling our current Court system is then just remember it was a lot worse in 1985.
Thatcher was close to Jimmy Saville so that means she knew he was a perv? I doubt he introduced himself in a manner that relieved himself (literally or not). Do you imagine she was setting him up with rent boys? Bloody hell, youre the one who sounds naive and frankly a bi cranky! Ted Heath murdered children?
I guess you believe this load of old crap? http://yournewswire.com/ted-heath-exposed-as-a-paedophile-murderer-and-satanist-video/
FFS!
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Hello Adam - don't forget Julie Mugford from your list - she also said a third party committed the massacre ...
The Yorkshire Ripper was arrested and released to kill more victims - because he had an "unshakeable" alibi - he isn't the only UK serial killer that this has happened to either - does anyone anywhere actually know what Malcoms "unshakeable alibi" actually was ?
If his alibi was ever disproved then every thing in this case would make perfect sense to me - I would have no more unanswered questions ...
WPC Jeaves almost certainly saw a rifle in the window that was not there later -( add that to the possible "movement" spotted in another window ) - in my mind there was someone else in the farm alive when Jeremy was outside - was it Malcolm ?
Every body makes mistakes - including plenty of Police Officers - but when a firearms INSTRUCTOR says she thought she saw a gun in a window then you can bet your life that she thought she saw a gun in that window and that she almost certainly actually did see a gun in that window ...
Firearms INSTRUCTORS just don't make mistakes like that easily ...
There is a very strong possibility indeed that she was correct ...
Ask yourself this one question Adam :
:o
What specific reasons absolutely convince you that WPC Jeaves was wrong ?
If WPC Jeaves was right then it does not mean that Jeremy is guilty or innocent - but it would mean that a third party other than Jeremy was involved in the murders ...
"Almost certainly"? Doesn't that just mean 'possibly maybe'? Where did this 'third party go'? Did they de-materialise, beamed up by aliens that are already present on earth and living among us or were they part of the HUGE paedo ring that the establishment nurtures - and as a result, they just walked free. Maybe it was Jimmy Saville? :o
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I said SUPPOSED I did not say we HAD. Don't you understand the difference? In fact your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
I am far from naïve and well aware there is as much corruption in our Establishment as in any other and don't need a lecture from you thanks very much.
Anyway your theory is ridiculous and I don't think even you believe it.
I think he does ;D
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I think a third party was mentioned because JM didn't want to implicate Jeremy. It usually happens that way when one looks to someone else to blame.
If Jeremy had had relatives on his side JM would have sided with them instead of the others. It's how it goes.
If Julies witness statements were false then this would make sense.
It would be dangerous to directly blame Jeremy in case he could prove he was elsewhere at the time.
This is what actually happened apparently with Malcolm.
At least with Malcolm they could put it down as the one detail that was a lie by Jeremy.
If Julie was lying then I am sure she was put up to it by the relatives.
It was her statement and the silencer that put him under suspicion.
Without those 2 things he never would have even been a suspect let alone convicted.
If DC Jones was convinced that it was Jeremy then he would be happy to help coach Julie in her false statement - noble cause corruption was rampant in Essex in the 1980's.
If anyone doesn't believe me then research why they had to bring in the PACE Act of 1984.
It was because noble cause corruption was so absolutely rampant in the UK.
The PACE Act 1984 made it a lot harder for them to get away with it.
But the reason the Act was necessary was because it was so rampant at that time.
It was almost standard Police procedure at that time.
Luckily because of the PACE Act 1984 noble cause corruption is now a lot rarer.
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You are correct - my wording could have been better.
He was not arrested but was interviewed as a suspect 9 times.
If he had refused to be interviewed then they would have arrested him.
He had no choice but to take part in the interviews - he was a strong suspect.
They ruled him out initially because of his false alibi.
Did you know Jimmy Saville was also a suspect in the Ripper case ?
They made a cast of his teeth to match against a victim.
Many people say he was friends with the Ripper before he was caught.
He certainly became friends with him after in Broadmoor.
One victim was found yards from Savilles house.
Allegedly Saville was supplying children to Ted Heath to murder on his yacht.
This is one reason why Saville was above the law and could not be arrested.
Maybe this protection extended to his friend the Ripper ?
Maybe they were not able to cover up the number plate incident ?
Saville was given the keys to Broadmoor and certainly looked after his friend the Ripper in there ...
Dear god! ::)
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Kaldin, Peter Sutcliffe was interviewed many times by various police departments but was never arrested for any of the murders and then released. When he was finally caught he was taken into custody due to false number plates on his car. How they never arrested him prior to this has always amazed me. The photofit pictures done by people who survived were so much like him it was unbelievable that he was never arrested, they were so much like him.
9 times - shoddy!
http://www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/005.htm
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I do apologise Maggie - it shows how confusing words can be.
You are very obviously not naïve and you are not under any illusions about our Establishment.
Many rulers in history use the tactic of having holds on every one below them in the hierarchy.
Hitler did this but he is far from the only one in history to do so.
Did you see what happened in Barcelona recently ?
The states violent reaction was not because they want to form an independent nation.
It was because they want to form a Republic ie without the Royal family in charge.
The first 10 times I went to Spain Hitlers mate and fellow dictator Franco was still in charge.
I take nothing for granted.
If you think you can start an independent newspaper in this country then you would be surprised at what would happen to you in my honest opinion.
I genuinely believe it would be a lot more possible in Russia or Zimbabwe for example.
This honest view is based on my very extensive experience in this country.
That's OK and I don't disagree with what you say in the above post. I too visited Spain a few times when Franco was still in power and I remember his police and how frightening they were. I have family members living in the SW and I visit every year so I do have a fair idea about Spanish politics etc. and what a tragedy it must be to free thinking people in Spain. The shadow of Franco still lingers over the country.
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Thatcher was close to Jimmy Saville so that means she knew he was a perv? I doubt he introduced himself in a manner that relieved himself (literally or not). Do you imagine she was setting him up with rent boys? Bloody hell, youre the one who sounds naive and frankly a bi cranky! Ted Heath murdered children?
I guess you believe this load of old crap? http://yournewswire.com/ted-heath-exposed-as-a-paedophile-murderer-and-satanist-video/
FFS!
I actually believe Wiltshire Police and the Guardian newspaper :
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/30/police-say-there-were-grounds-to-suspect-edward-heath-over-child-abuse-claims
The Telegraph think it is worth reporting as well :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/01/heath-sex-inquiry-allege-former-prime-minister-abused-youngsters/
The report is out on Thursday ...
It is a fact that Saville took many boys onto Heaths Yacht.
Credible witnesses say they did not all come back ...
Lets see what the enquiry discovers ...
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Dear god! ::)
Do you think I made this up ?
The Daily Mail must have helped me if I did :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html
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Do you think I made this up ?
The Daily Mail must have helped me if I did :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html
The DM is renown for playing both ends against the middle. They've made a career of it.
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I actually believe Wiltshire Police and the Guardian newspaper :
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/30/police-say-there-were-grounds-to-suspect-edward-heath-over-child-abuse-claims
The Telegraph think it is worth reporting as well :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/01/heath-sex-inquiry-allege-former-prime-minister-abused-youngsters/
The report is out on Thursday ...
It is a fact that Saville took many boys onto Heaths Yacht.
Credible witnesses say they did not all come back ...
Lets see what the enquiry discovers ...
Reporting is different from believing and what do you mean by 'credible'. Basically if you ever shared breathing space with Saville, you must be a paedo. There is no denying the man was a monster, but many have jumped on the bandwagon and it's spiralled into ridiculousness.
If the enquiry doesn't discover that Ted Heath was a murdering paedo, the same people who believe this will just cry 'cover up' and start claiming members of the enquiry must be involved. ::) Will you accept the finding of the enquiry? If they prove what you are saying, I'll be back here to eat my words - will you if the reverse is true?
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9 times - shoddy!
http://www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/005.htm
The Daily Telegraph agree with me that it was 9 times :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html
The website you quoted ends by stating that the Yorkshire Ripper murders are still continuing ;D
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Do you think I made this up ?
The Daily Mail must have helped me if I did :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html
Oh no, I don't think you made it up, what I can't understand, is why you believe the connotations? How many other casts were made of other people's teeth? How many people were interviewed because they used prostitutes? They are both monsters - we all know that, but are monsters for different and separate reasons.
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jimmy saviles dna was taken and compared to all unsolved murders and his dna did not match on any of them
what ever his done he hasn't killed anybody.
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The Daily Telegraph agree with me that it was 9 times :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229786/Jimmy-Savile-Yorkshire-Ripper-Cast-DJs-teeth-check-bites-left-Peter-Sutcliffes-victims.html
The website you quoted ends by stating that the Yorkshire Ripper murders are still continuing ;D
Errrrrr - I said it was '9 times' - I didn't read the article.
9 times - shoddy!
http://www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/005.htm
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Reporting is different from believing and what do you men by 'credible'. Basically if you ever shared breathing space with Saville, you must be a paedo. There is no denying the man was a monster, but many have jumped on the bandwagon and it's spiralled into ridiculousness.
If the enquiry doesn't discover that Ted Heath was a murdering paedo, the same people who believe this will just cry 'cover up' and start claiming members of the enquiry must be involved. ::) Will you accept the finding of the enquiry? If they prove what you are saying, I'll be back here to eat my words - will you if the reverse is true?
It is within my personal knowledge that there are good and bad people close to that enquiry.
I am confident that the good people have the upper hand on this one.
I am satisfied beyond doubt that Saville took many boys onto Heaths Yacht in Jersey.
Why would the witnesses lie who said some of those boys never came back ?
Wiltshire Police received 40 allegations that Heath had abused them.
They consider at least 7 as entirely credible.
That is why they say if he was alive today they would interview him under caution.
Why would these 7 people lie - why would the Jersey witnesses lie about the boys not coming back.
When confronted Saville said he had never been to Jersey.
Days later this was exposed as a lie by the Press - they produced a photo of him at the childrens home in Jersey - you must remember that surely ?
Why would Saville lie about not going to Jersey unless he was up to no good there ?
Wiltshire Police are not wrong on this one ...
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Oh no, I don't think you made it up, what I can't understand, is why you believe the connotations? How many other casts were made of other people's teeth? How many people were interviewed because they used prostitutes? They are both monsters - we all know that, but are monsters for different and separate reasons.
The local Police already knew at that time that Saville was a sexual weirdo.
One of the victims was found literally under the bushes in front of his apartment.
That is why he was a suspect in that murder and why they took a cast of his teeth.
It is strange how close a friendship he formed with the Ripper in Broadmoor.
Maybe it was a coincidence - maybe not ...
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I know what I'd do with them all,monsters that they are. What a soft society in allowing these creatures to breathe !!
Would you all like one living next door to you ??
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The local Police already knew at that time that Saville was a sexual weirdo.
One of the victims was found literally under the bushes in front of his apartment.
That is why he was a suspect in that murder and why they took a cast of his teeth.
It is strange how close a friendship he formed with the Ripper in Broadmoor.
Maybe it was a coincidence - maybe not ...
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make - is it that you are suggesting that this victim was actually murdered by JS? :-\