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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on March 19, 2017, 02:25:PM
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Take a long hard look at the end of the gun barrell as it leans against the main bedroom window - does it have it's Parker Hale silencer fitted at that stage?
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Yes,because if it hadn't,it would have slid further to the side without the balance of the extra length to hold it.
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I mentioned this years ago Mike. I remember at the time Hartly said he would be delighted. as it would prove that Sheila had not shot herself.
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Yes,because if it hadn't,it would have slid further to the side without the balance of the extra length to hold it.
I know my maths/spacial awareness is crap, but I'd have thought that the heavier an object, the more likely it would be that it's weight would pull it sideways? Would not a silencer have given it added weight?
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I know my maths/spacial awareness is crap, but I'd have thought that the heavier an object, the more likely it would be that it's weight would pull it sideways? Would not a silencer have given it added weight?
The weight was in the base,not the top ! The shorter the length of something would have caused the base,being heavier, to have shifted but a silencers length would have given it more balance because of the height alone.
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So because that silencer was removed by Sheila,in the bedroom,it must have been found in the bedroom------by whom and whereabouts ? That would account for her blood having been on it ??
Who then put it in the gun cupboard ? Always supposing that's where it was found,which I don't believe.
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The weight was in the base,not the top ! The shorter the length of something would have caused the base,being heavier, to have shifted but a silencers length would have given it more balance because of the height alone.
I'll need to put that into practice :-[
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I'll need to put that into practice :-[
You do that. There's a better balance with a longer,solid-based object leaning against a curtain,than there is with an item which is shorter.
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I have been reliably informed that when cops brought the anshuzt rifle from its original location against the first floor box room window to Sheila's body, after her body had been moved from on top of the bed in that bedroom, brought there as part of 'informatives', where cops were wanting to see if they could account for the only shot to her neck at that stage by claiming that she had shot herself with that rifle (the first shot was from a police weapon in kitchen)! However, it proved that with the silencer fitted to the barrell of the rifle that the distance between the muzzle end of the silencer and the trigger mechanism of the gun was greater than the distance between the position of the solitary entry wound upon Sheila's neck and her extended right arm with trigger finger outstretched!!
This discovery was disheartening to the officers who were huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor! One of them argued that he thought it might be possible at a push to 'squeeze the weapon into the aforementioned gap' so that Sheila could be said to have self inflicted that single shot to herself! The officer in question carelessly repositioned the anshuzt rifle with its silencer attached on her body and arranged the fingers of her right hand in the region of the trigger mechanism! At the time the muzzle end of the silencer was resting under Sheila's chin, about a couple of inches or so, above the solitary bullet wound on her neck at that stage!
Bang!!!
Second shot got inflicted! The path of the bullet traveling up through the base of Sheila's mouth, up through the roof of her mouth, and depositing itself in her brain!
If she hadn't been already dead, she was by the time this second shot had got inflicted! The pathologistgist (Peter Venezis) would conclude that once this shot had been received death would almost certainly have been instantaneously!!
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I don't think it's on. I think the shadowy bit makes it seems longer than it is.
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I don't think it's on. I think the shadowy bit makes it seems longer than it is.
Given how blurred is the picture, it COULD have been doctored. It has been known.
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I recreated this scene in a 3D rendering program. I have no doubts about it. There was no silencer attached.
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This is why grainy pictures aren't reliable for anything.
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The best thing to do would be to look at another photo of it,as admittedly there are a lot of variations on all the pics.
Trouble is,we're going to be hard-pushed to find " truer " pics of them.
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I recreated this scene in a 3D rendering program. I have no doubts about it. There was no silencer attached.
Didn't Bamber take to silencer off after shooting everyone. Then put it away ? This was the reason the gun on Sheila didn't have a silencer on.
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Didn't Bamber take to silencer off after shooting everyone. Then put it away ? This was the reason the gun on Sheila didn't have a silencer on.
Explain what it was doing in the window ? JB was outside,don't forget.
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Explain what it was doing in the window ? JB was outside,don't forget.
No one knows if it's the murder weapon.
If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.
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No one knows if it's the murder weapon.
If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.
So there were two rifles ? Where was the other one ?
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Didn't Bamber take to silencer off after shooting everyone. Then put it away ? This was the reason the gun on Sheila didn't have a silencer on.
No. The silencer was inside the gun cupboard the entire night.
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I have been reliably informed that when cops brought the anshuzt rifle from its original location against the first floor box room window to Sheila's body, after her body had been moved from on top of the bed in that bedroom, brought there as part of 'informatives', where cops were wanting to see if they could account for the only shot to her neck at that stage by claiming that she had shot herself with that rifle (the first shot was from a police weapon in kitchen)! However, it proved that with the silencer fitted to the barrell of the rifle that the distance between the muzzle end of the silencer and the trigger mechanism of the gun was greater than the distance between the position of the solitary entry wound upon Sheila's neck and her extended right arm with trigger finger outstretched!!
This discovery was disheartening to the officers who were huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor! One of them argued that he thought it might be possible at a push to 'squeeze the weapon into the aforementioned gap' so that Sheila could be said to have self inflicted that single shot to herself! The officer in question carelessly repositioned the anshuzt rifle with its silencer attached on her body and arranged the fingers of her right hand in the region of the trigger mechanism! At the time the muzzle end of the silencer was resting under Sheila's chin, about a couple of inches or so, above the solitary bullet wound on her neck at that stage!
Bang!!!
Second shot got inflicted! The path of the bullet traveling up through the base of Sheila's mouth, up through the roof of her mouth, and depositing itself in her brain!
If she hadn't been already dead, she was by the time this second shot had got inflicted! The pathologistgist (Peter Venezis) would conclude that once this shot had been received death would almost certainly have been instantaneously!!
The silencer was fitted to the anshuzt rifle that morning!
This can be proven because DS 'Stan' Jones seized it (SBJ/1) that morning after returning to the scene before dinner time to recover 'it', and three other exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4! Cook made witness statements and he testified that no-one other than himself, Bird, Davidson, and Hammersley (SOCO) were allowed inside the farmhouse until they had completed their work, but in the hand written logs of the scene, DS Jones returned to the house and seized the aforementioned exhibits! When interviewed by COLP Stan Jones had to be reminded about him having left Jeremy's controversial to back to the farmhouse! When they asked him why, Stan Jones said he had completely forgotten about the matter and could not remember why he had returned to the farmhouse, or what he did whilst he was there!!
Well, he returned to the scene that morning within an hour or more of having left there to go with DC Clark and Jeremy to his cottage! He went back to the farmhouse, and he took possession of four 'SBJ' exhibits, one of which was the silencer 'SBJ/1'...
He later handed the silencer 'SBJ/1' to his boss, DCI 'Taff' Jones, who kept 'it' on his desk until evening of 9th August 1985, at which point it was taken back to the farmhouse and placed inside the gun cupboard - the opportunity to do this arose when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton on that same evening!
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No one knows if it's the murder weapon.
If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.
The rifle in the photograph (number 23) was the same rifle according to DI 'Ron' Cook, and PC 'David' Bird who testified about the matter during the trial! Dealing with Cook first he told the court that he himself had removed the rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against that window once PC Bird had finished taking all the other photographs of the rifle in Sheila's possession! Now, all the photographs taken of Sheila in possession of the rifle are numbered 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33! These details were not told to the court which tried the matter, since all that was said about it was that PC Bird had took all the photo's which showed Sheila in possession of that rifle before he had taken photograph 23 showing the rifle at the main bedroom window! PC Bird simply said that he did not see who had placed the rifle in question at that bedroom window!
Both Cook and Bird described how PC Bird had supposedly taken sequences of photographs which served to mask the truth - for example, PC Bird took photographs of the gun with Sheila in the bedroom, he then left the bedroom and went onto the middle landing of the main stairs and took photograph number 23, photographed the top landing and bathroom, he said, before returning to the main bedroom to photograph Sheila's feet!
Well, that does not accord with what COLP found out regarding the actual sequence that PC Bird had taken photographs of the rifle on Sheila's body!!
They discovered (and as many of you who choose to ignore the truth in this matter can ignore the truth all you like) that PC Bird had taken the photograph of the anshuzt rifle (23) before he had taken the other photographs (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33)! The actual schedule proving this will be posted below! This is evidence that the court which tried the matter did not hear about! In fact, on the contrary, both Ron Cook and David Bird told deliberate lies whilst testifying regarding this! Why did they tell lies about it? Well, because if they had admitted the truth, a truth that did not get exposed until the time of the COLP investigation 1991/1992, it would have proven that cops staged Sheila's body with the anshuzt rifle from the bedroom window!
Why would cops deliberately stage a victims body with a rifle which could not have been found in the possession of the victim? They staged her body because they had done something that they did not want to have to explain publickly!
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You can choose to ignore the damning evidence regarding the location of the anshuzt rifle, prior to it being photographed with Sheila Caffells body as much as you like! The truth is, that PC David Bird, and DI Ron Cook committed perjury regarding the sequence with which the key rifle was photographed at the bedroom window, and upon Sheila Caffells body!!
Was the rifle at the bedroom window, before cops photographed it on Sheila's body, or vice versa?
It was photographed (23) at the bedroom window before it got put with Sheila's body and photographed (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33), that is an absolute fact, one which cannot at this late stage be changed! Imagine if the truth regarding this had been known during the Crown Court trial? Imagine if by the time of the 2002 appeal these facts had been presented? Imagine the situation now, today, 31 years or so down the road, and the truth finally being laid threadbare for all to see!! Jeremy Bamber did not 'state his sister's death scene's, with use of that rifle! He hadn't staged his sister's death with use of that rifle to fool police into thinking that his sister had killed the others then she had shot herself with use of the same rifle! No he hadn't done any of this or that! The Cops staged his sister's body! The cops brought the rifle from the bedroom window (23), and the cops placed the rifle (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) on Sheila's body! That is the 100% truth!! The cops framed Sheila for her own suicide by staging her death scene by introducing the rifle to her body and then taking photographs showing the rifle in her possession!!
Fact!!!
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You can choose to ignore the damning evidence regarding the location of the anshuzt rifle, prior to it being photographed with Sheila Caffells body as much as you like! The truth is, that PC David Bird, and DI Ron Cook committed perjury regarding the sequence with which the key rifle was photographed at the bedroom window, and upon Sheila Caffells body!!
Was the rifle at the bedroom window, before cops photographed it on Sheila's body, or vice versa?
It was photographed (23) at the bedroom window before it got put with Sheila's body and photographed (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33), that is an absolute fact, one which cannot at this late stage be changed! Imagine if the truth regarding this had been known during the Crown Court trial? Imagine if by the time of the 2002 appeal these facts had been presented? Imagine the situation now, today, 31 years or so down the road, and the truth finally being laid threadbare for all to see!! Jeremy Bamber did not 'state his sister's death scene's, with use of that rifle! He hadn't staged his sister's death with use of that rifle to fool police into thinking that his sister had killed the others then she had shot herself with use of the same rifle! No he hadn't done any of this or that! The Cops staged his sister's body! The cops brought the rifle from the bedroom window (23), and the cops placed the rifle (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) on Sheila's body! That is the 100% truth!! The cops framed Sheila for her own suicide by staging her death scene by introducing the rifle to her body and then taking photographs showing the rifle in her possession!!
Fact!!!
Now, as for the silencer, if cops went to the trouble of planting the rifle from the window on her body and staging Sheila Caffells death scene, as outlined, and DS Stan Jones returned to the farmhouse that first morning of the investigation to recover a silencer (SBJ/1) how does a presence of Sheila Caffells blood inside the silencer make Jeremy Bamber guilty of the murders of the other four murders, and Sheila's (if she did not shoot herself)?
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There would not have been any silencer inside the gun cupboard for David Boutflour to find on 10 August 1985, if Jones hadn't returned the silencer (SBJ/1) to the farmhouse on the occasion when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton, and had given the relatives a tour of the farmhouse, the night before!
David Boutflour found the silencer (SJ/1-DB/1) Jones had returned to the cupboard (SBJ/1) the evening before!
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So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?
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There would not have been any silencer inside the gun cupboard for David Boutflour to find on 10 August 1985, if Jones hadn't returned the silencer (SBJ/1) to the farmhouse on the occasion when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton, and had given the relatives a tour of the farmhouse, the night before!
David Boutflour found the silencer (DB/1) Jones had returned to the cupboard (SBJ/1) the evening before!
Ron Cook knew that Stan Jones had originally seized the silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on the first morning of the incident! The alternative beggars belief, that being that Stan Jones removed four exhibits from a crime scene (SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4) without the knowlege of the entire SOC team knowing anything at all about it!!
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So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?
Not so much " working together ",but SJ putting words into the mouths of the family which they'd accepted,as coming from the law it must be right, so they went along with it because it comfortably fitted in with their own " planned motives " which was to see the back of Jeremy if they'd been honest.
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What nice people to have as your family. If this is what actually happened then no wonder they never want JB released.
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So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?
Stan Jones did help to frame Jeremy Bamber for these murders!
But it wasn't Stan Jones decision to stage Sheila's body with the rifle from the main bedroom window, he didn't have anything to do with that, other than he saw Sheila's and June's bodies on top of the bed before he left the scene in the first instance to go with DC Clark to Jeremy's cottage! Upon arriving there and meeting Ann Eaton, they told her that Neville Bambers body had been found downstairs in the kitchen, and that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed side by side, and a rifle laid upon the bed between them both, with a Bible on Sheila's chest! Jones and Clark would not have told Ann Eaton this, if they had not themselves seen the two bodies on top of the bed before they had left the scene for the first time that morning (remember Stan Jones returned to the scene that same morning to seize the four exhibits including the silencer SBJ/1)! Stan Jones states in one of his statements that when he saw Sheila's body for the first time, how she looked so peaceful as though she was just sleeping! Well, when he saw Sheila's body she had only been shot once! There was not a second bullet wound in her throat by that stage! There was not all the blood which is depicted in the photographs that were taken much later! She only had one bullet wound when Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed!
Stan Jones helped the relatives frame Jeremy Bamber with use of the silencer, and ballistics! How can his signature which is present on several 'General Examination Records' at the lab' be explained, or even justified, unless he had direct involvement with some of the batch of crime scene ammunition? So, yes, Stan Jones aided the relatives and helped them to secure financial rewards by way of Mabel Speakmans, and the Bamber estates, by going along with the false story that David Boutflour had found the only silencer in the case, the one he found in the gun cupboard on Saturday, 10 August 1985. When if the truth be known, Stan had seized it (SBJ/1) from the scene during the first morning of the police investigation, and returned it to the gun cupboard on evening prior to Boutflour re-finding it!
David Boutflour would later tell Anthony Pargeter that cops had given the silencer back to the family, a fact which Pargeter alludes to in one of his witness statements, but a fact which David Boutflour denies ever telling him! This suggests to me that the relatives had been forwarded by Stan Jones not to mention anything about him seizing the silencer (SBJ/1) on the first morning of the investigation, because otherwise the silencer evidence introduced by the relatives would be excluded as unreliable and tainted evidence!!
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Of course they don't want him released. Their excuse over the years is sounding like a cracked record------" he's a danger and we're all scared ". Said often enough even police are convinced.
Yes,I'll bet they're scared------but not because the man's dangerous !
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Stan Jones did help to frame Jeremy Bamber for these murders!
But it wasn't Stan Jones decision to stage Sheila's body with the rifle from the main bedroom window, he didn't have anything to do with that, other than he saw Sheila's and June's bodies on top of the bed before he left the scene in the first instance to go with DC Clark to Jeremy's cottage! Upon arriving there and meeting Ann Eaton, they told her that Neville Bambers body had been found downstairs in the kitchen, and that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed side by side, and a rifle laid upon the bed between them both, with a Bible on Sheila's chest! Jones and Clark would not have told Ann Eaton this, if they had not themselves seen the two bodies on top of the bed before they had left the scene for the first time that morning (remember Stan Jones returned to the scene that same morning to seize the four exhibits including the silencer SBJ/1)! Stan Jones states in one of his statements that when he saw Sheila's body for the first time, how she looked so peaceful as though she was just sleeping! Well, when he saw Sheila's body she had only been shot once! There was not a second bullet wound in her throat by that stage! There was not all the blood which is depicted in the photographs that were taken much later! She only had one bullet wound when Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed!
Stan Jones helped the relatives frame Jeremy Bamber with use of the silencer, and ballistics! How can his signature which is present on several 'General Examination Records' at the lab' be explained, or even justified, unless he had direct involvement with some of the batch of crime scene ammunition? So, yes, Stan Jones aided the relatives and helped them to secure financial rewards by way of Mabel Speakmans, and the Bamber estates, by going along with the false story that David Boutflour had found the only silencer in the case, the one he found in the gun cupboard on Saturday, 10 August 1985. When if the truth be known, Stan had seized it (SBJ/1) from the scene during the first morning of the police investigation, and returned it to the gun cupboard on evening prior to Boutflour re-finding it!
David Boutflour would later tell Anthony Pargeter that cops had given the silencer back to the family, a fact which Pargeter alludes to in one of his witness statements, but a fact which David Boutflour denies ever telling him! This suggests to me that the relatives had been forwarded by Stan Jones not to mention anything about him seizing the silencer (SBJ/1) on the first morning of the investigation, because otherwise the silencer evidence introduced by the relatives would be excluded as unreliable and tainted evidence!!
Let us also remember the influence that Stan Jones had over Julie Mugford, and the typed composite witness statements he created in her name?
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I have come to realise that it does matter what 'mindset' a police officer has, as to whether he seized evidence, or paraphrases a witnesses statement! DS Stan Jones had a mindset right from the beginning which was 'disturbed'...
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I have come to realise that it does matter what 'mindset' a police officer has, as to whether he seized evidence, or paraphrases a witnesses statement! DS Stan Jones had a mindset right from the beginning which was 'disturbed'...
His mindset was disturbed, because of the fact that during the first days and weeks of the police investigation, his boss and other senior officers who attended the incident sought to keep him and other officers in the dark regarding what had taken place, and how they had set about presenting the facts at the Coroner's court! Remember this, please...
Stan Jones visited the main bedroom twice on that first morning of the police investigation - on the first occasion the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber were laid on top of the bed! Sheila on the left of the teddy bear, June on the right! A rifle laid on the bed between both of their bodies! A Bible on Sheila's chest! Sheila had only been shot once! Stan Jones described her as looking so peaceful in death, as though she had just been sleeping! (She may have still been alive at this time)!! Then Stan Jones returned back to the scene just before dinner time and saw the two bodies of June and Sheila! June on the floor by the door, and Sheila laid on the floor alongside the edge of the bed! By this stage Sheila had got an additional bullet wound beneath her chin, blood had run from the corners of her mouth, blood had run from one of her nostrils! Blood had pooled in her left eye! Blood had run diagonally across her neck from the additional soundly There was a huge triangular bloodstain on the upper right of her Nightdress! There was what appeared to be bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right of her light blue Nightdress! None of these had been visible on Sheila when he had viewed her body! And now, the rifle which had been laid on the bed between June and Sheila was resting against the main bedroom window!
He must have pondered, 'what the hell happenned after he had left the scene' in the first instance!
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Are these the reasons that Taff Jones always said that JB was innocent? Did he know what had actually happened here? How many of members of the police force would have been involved in this cover up? Hard to believe that they have all kept silent about it for over 30 years.
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His mindset was disturbed, because of the fact that during the first days and weeks of the police investigation, his boss and other senior officers who attended the incident sought to keep him and other officers in the dark regarding what had taken place, and how they had set about presenting the facts at the Coroner's court! Remember this, please...
Stan Jones visited the main bedroom twice on that first morning of the police investigation - on the first occasion the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber were laid on top of the bed! Sheila on the left of the teddy bear, June on the right! A rifle laid on the bed between both of their bodies! A Bible on Sheila's chest! Sheila had only been shot once! Stan Jones described her as looking so peaceful in death, as though she had just been sleeping! (She may have still been alive at this time)!! Then Stan Jones returned back to the scene just before dinner time and saw the two bodies of June and Sheila! June on the floor by the door, and Sheila laid on the floor alongside the edge of the bed! By this stage Sheila had got an additional bullet wound beneath her chin, blood had run from the corners of her mouth, blood had run from one of her nostrils! Blood had pooled in her left eye! Blood had run diagonally across her neck from the additional soundly There was a huge triangular bloodstain on the upper right of her Nightdress! There was what appeared to be bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right of her light blue Nightdress! None of these had been visible on Sheila when he had viewed her body! And now, the rifle which had been laid on the bed between June and Sheila was resting against the main bedroom window!
He must have pondered, 'what the hell happenned after he had left the scene' in the first instance!
Two days later, his boss gave him the silencer (SBJ/1) back and told him to slip it into the gun cupboard whilst they were showing the Eaton's around the farmhouse when they gave them the keys back! Silencer wasn't needed because it was agreed that Sheila had shot herself with the rifle, after shooting dead the other four!
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Are these the reasons that Taff Jones always said that JB was innocent? Did he know what had actually happened here? How many of members of the police force would have been involved in this cover up? Hard to believe that they have all kept silent about it for over 30 years.
They have not kept silent about it, that's just it!
The vast majority of the 6/8 man raid party which were the first armed officers to enter the farmhouse, have all been granted immunity from prosecution for allowing their names to be used in edited composite typed witness statements made in their names by other officers where it falsely states that they found only the body of Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen, and four bodies upstairs! This presentation is a falsehood! They originally were confronted by Sheila as they tried to enter the kitchen, and she got shot! They thought she had been killed, and reported two dead bodies in the kitchen upon entry! An officers report exists regarding this shooting incident! In that report it is being argued that Sheila pulled the muzzle of the police weapon into towards her throat at the time the shot got discharged! It states that the sudden thrust of the barrel into towards her throat inadvertently caused the trigger to be activated involuntarily - hence why her death was reported by 7.45am, as a suicide! Many of the original 6/8 officers who first entered the main bedroom allowed typed composite statements to be created falsely stating that Sheila's body had been found on the main bedroom floor in possession of the rifle! It is all a pack of lies!!!
Ann Eaton and the other relatives spoke to Stan Jones about Sheila's body having been moved from on the bed, to the floor!
They reminded him that he had told Anne and the others, on the first morning of the shootings, that he had seen Sheila's and June Bambers bodies laid on the bed side by side, with the rifle in-between their bodies, and a Bible on Sheila's chest! They wanted to know how June's and Sheila's bodies had ended up on the bedroom floor either side of the bed, and how the rifle had ended up in Sheila's possession!!!
Stan Jones was caught between a rock and a hard place!!!
At first he was helpless to explain to the relatives! Stan Jones felt like he was in the firing line, over something he could not answer about! Senior officers initially froze him out of the loop! But when it became obvious that Stan Jones was not going to keep quiet about the matter, they had to divulge the truth eventually!
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So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.
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So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.
"On top"? Where?
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"On top"? Where?
ON TOP OF THE BED.Oh dear do I have to spell it out for you ? Read her statement,it's there ::)
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So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.
In fairness, Stan Jones and Mick Clark told Ann Eaton That the bodies of Sheila and June were found 'on the bed', laid side by side to one another, with 'the rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies', and 'a bible on top of Sheila's chest'. Yes, Stan Jones was involved, and Ann Eaton knows its was him! She refrained from naming him because it was this very evidence which the relatives used and relied upon as leverage to get Essex police on board mid to late September 1985, to help them to 'frame Jeremy Bamber' as the killer!!
Ann Eaton knows full well that Mick Clark and Stan Jones had seen the two bodies on the bed with the rifle between them, and a bible on Sheila's chest!!!
Fact, not fiction...
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I have previously referred to the silencer which David Boutflour found in the cupboard on 10th August 1985, as exhibit 'SJ/1' and 'DB/1'...
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Well being that guilters believe in what AE had stated,it's plain to see that she'd repeated what she'd been told by an officer ( whose name had slipped her mind,koff ) that both women were found on top of the bed.
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I have previously referred to the silencer which David Boutflour found in the cupboard on 10th August 1985, as exhibit 'SJ/1' and 'DB/1'...
Only one of these exhibit references relate to that silencer!
The other, was the exhibit reference which Essex police gave to the 'flake of blood' (DB/1), which David Boutflour confessed to the COLP investigators, he had scraped off the silencer using a razor blade!!!
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Only one of these exhibit references relate to that silencer!
The other, was the exhibit reference which Essex police gave to the flake of blood, which David Boutflour confessed to the COLP investigators, he had scraped off the silencer using a razor blade!!!
By 12th September 1975, the 'flake', had already been received at the lab'!!!
The flake, therefore had to be exhibit 'DB/1', which was sent to the lab' on or by 30th August 1985 (not the silencer)!
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By 12th September 1975, the 'flake', had already been received at the lab'!!!
The flake, therefore had to be exhibit 'DB/1', which was sent to the lab' on or by 30th August 1985 (not the silencer)!
Flake (DB/1) was made into a solution (12 September, 1985), and separated into 5 different pots, and each pot tested for specific blood group activity, in 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985! The silencer (SJ/1) submitted to the lab' on 20th September, 1985, to 'be checked for blood and fibres'...
Bingo!!!
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No. The silencer was inside the gun cupboard the entire night.
So RB did shoot himself with the silencer on ?
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The blood group activity (A, EAPBA, AK1, HP2-1) that was relied upon to convict Jeremy Bamber, was obtained from the flake of blood David Boutflour scraped off the silencer (according to what he says)! It did not come from a flake found inside the silencer! How do I know this? I know this because the silencer did not arrive at the lab' until 20 September 1975, too late for any flake to be found inside it, and already analysed producing the key blood group activity - the flake from which the results were obtained coming from the flake Boutflour scraped from the outside of the silencer, not the inside of it!!!
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I am 100% right!!
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Cops framed Bamber for the murders by them staging Sheila's body with the anshuzt rifle from the bedroom / box room window, then they took photographs claiming this was how they had originally found her body in possession of the rifle!!!
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Cops framed Bamber for the murders by them staging Sheila's body with the anshuzt rifle from the bedroom / box room window, then they took photographs claiming this was how they had originally found her body in possession of the rifle!!!
But, the contents of police radio message logs timed at 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am, and 8.10am, prove this false representation has to be inaccurrate!
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Only 3 bodies upstairs then, by 8.10am...
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Only 3 bodies upstairs then, by 8.10am...
Lets examine who said there were only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?
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Raid team, and the occupants of CA07 - their words, nobody elses!!!
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How can somebody like PS Bews hold his head high when he knows that two bodies were downstairs by 7.37am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?
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How can somebody like PS Bews hold his head high when he knows that two bodies were downstairs by 7.37am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?
OK, lets go for the juggler - it wasn't PS Bews who passed these messages, it was PC Myall!!!
It wasn't PC Myall, it was PS Saxby!!
Who else can we blame!!!!
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OK, lets go for the juggler - it wasn't PS Bews who passed these messages, it was PC Myall!!!
It wasn't PC Myall, it was PS Saxby!!
Who else can we blame!!!!
Let's blame PC Collins!
If it wasn't him it was PS Woodcock!!
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Let's blame PC Collins!
If it wasn't him it was PS Woodcock!!
If it wasn't PS Woodcock, it was PC Rozga!
How about PC Webb!
How about APS Manners!!
How about PC Delgado!!
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They all know the role they played in the passing of these messages!
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They all know the role they played in the passing of these messages!
Then there were the staff back in Chelmsford police station Incident Room, like Malcom Bonnett, and in the control room, like PC West, and others who received these messages - none of them have ever challenged the contents of key radio messages that were passed, received and recorded between 7.37am and 8.10am, that morning!
Two bodies downstairs, one male and one female!!
A further three bodies, found upstairs!!
Five dead in total!
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Now, we have heard about the mix up involving PC Collins which the cops have thrown into the mix! A story which the jury never got to hear about or contemplate! They kept the contents of these logs from the defence, the court, the jury and the public! You see the story about Collins reporting that he could see the body of a female behind the kitchen door was made before cops forced there way into the farmhouse! Funny how there is no mention of these key facts in any disclosed police radio message logs!! How come such vital information is missing from any log kept of the operation?
It's missing because it didn't happen like Collins and Rozga are saying!
If it had happened there would be mention of it in the logs! There is none! They introduced this excuse by way of witness statements! Typed Composite statements which the named officers probably did not even know they existed or had been made in their names!!
However, since as it states in the story line, the body which Collins reports to be the body of a female from his vantage point outside the kitchen window, turns out to be the body of Neville Bamber upon entry to the kitchen, then why does it state in the police message logs that upon entry to the kitchen, two bodies have been found? 'The body of one dead male, and, the body of one dead female' (7.37am)? Since, if there had only been the one body, that issue would have certainly been resolved upon entry to the kitchen, with a basic message of 'one dead body found in kitchen', or 'the body of be dead male', end of!!!
But, it is recorded that there were two bodies found in the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female'(7.37am)!
If there had been a mistake regarding the sex of a body from outside the kitchen window, rectified once entry had been gained, the truth would have been recorded in the logs! You would not get cops reporting two bodies, if there was only one! Not only that, but given the storyline by Collins and Rozga that the mistake over the sexual orientation of the body they had seen through the kitchen window, was immediately rectified once they got into the kitchen, why does it state in the police log that there was an additional body, a female body found in the kitchen, as well as a male body? If there had been a mix up as alluded to regarding the sexuality of one body, which got resolved as soon as the blighters entered the kitchen, why mention the discovery of two bodies, making mention of one dead male body first, along with one dead female body?
Why not mention the body of one dead female first, followed by something along the lines, 'female body now identified as the body of one dead male'?
The matter doesn't end there, either, because we have DCI Harris giving instruction from the scene to inform the incident room regarding the discovery of two bodies, for a police surgeon, and Coroner's officer, to be notified! He being one of the top Detectives working for Essex police at the time! So, here he was instructing other officers to contact the incident room, to confirm that two bodies had been found upon entry, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female'! A further message, 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am)! If there had only been one body present downstairs in the kitchen at this stage, somebody would have noticed the error and taken measures to rectify the mistake, by saying something like, ' only one body downstairs, not two, Copy'...
By 8.10am, only three bodies found upstairs!!
If there had been a mistake downstairs with the initial body count, of say one, not two, then you would think that DCI Harris, top Essex cop would get the body count right upstairs, or at least those acting under his authority at the scene and elsewhere, at that time, would be able to count beyond the number three!!
Only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, then!!
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Crucial parts of the police message logs are missing, and being deliberately withheld!
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Crucial parts of the police message logs are missing, and being deliberately withheld!
Key information was being relayed from the kitchen inside the farmhouse, back and forth to the incident room at Chelmsford, between 8.10am and 8.44am, which relates to DCI Harris, PI Ivor Montgomery, and DCI Gibbons, all being trapped in a state of panic inside the kitchen which by that stage contained the dead body of Neville Bamber! During this time, a message was relayed to Harris in the kitchen for him to contact ACC Simpson using the kitchen phone! The call in question lasted approximately 15 minutes, culminating with the body of Sheila Caffell being relocated upstairs on the bed of the main bedroom, apparently collapsed and dead (again)! Within about another 14 minutes or so, the police surgeon attended the incident and pronounced five persons dead! It must have been puzzling for Dr Craig to discover five dead, when he had only been told there were two bodies!!!
Similarly, the Coroner's officer, who was told about two bodies about an hour previously, arrived at the scene at 9.30am, to be greeted by five dead bodies!!
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The police surgeon, and Coroner's officer were assured by those managing the incident that Sheila had run amok and killed the others, then taking her own life! It must have dawned on both of them that at least three of the five bodies had been shot and had died after they were notified of only two bodies, having been found!
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The police surgeon, and Coroner's officer were assured by those managing the incident that Sheila had run amok and killed the others, then taking her own life! It must have dawned on both of them that at least three of the five bodies had been shot and had died after they were notified of only two bodies, having been found!
Both Craig and the Coroners officer, PC Wright, must have seen evidence in at least one of the five bodies, that the person in question had died very recently! For Example, that at least one of the five had been shot post them both being notified (7.35am to 7.42am, and afterwards) that there were two dead bodies to deal with!
That person would have been Sheila Caffell!
Why, well because by the time Craig and Wright arrived at the scene respectively (8.44am, and 9.30am), Senior officers were saying that it was a clear case of four murders and a suicide, where Sheila had ran amok shooting and killing the others, and then taking her own life!
That's why!!
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Both Craig and the Coroners officer, PC Wright, must have seen evidence in at least one of the five bodies, that the person in question had died very recently! For Example, that at least one of the five had been shot post them both being notified (7.35am to 7.42am, and afterwards) that there were two dead bodies to deal with!
That person would have been Sheila Caffell!
Why, well because by the time Craig and Wright arrived at the scene respectively (8.44am, and 9.30am), Senior officers were saying that it was a clear case of four murders and a suicide, where Sheila had ran amok shooting and killing the others, and then taking her own life!
That's why!!
It wasn't Jeremy Bamber who told the police surgeon (Craig) or the Coroners officer (Wright) that the police investigation was one of four murders and a suicide! No Sir, it was Senior police officers who told Craig and Wright that/this!!
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Almost three quarters of an hour had elapsed (7.42am to 8.44am) before the police surgeon arrived at the scene, and pronounced five dead bodies! In the case of the Coroners Officer, (PC Wright), that period was around one and three quarter hours later (7.42am to 9.30am)!
Both the Police Surgeon (Craig) and the Coroners Officer (Wright) must have seen or recognised signs in the body of at least one of the victims that they had been shot and had been killed, post 7.42am!!!
Thats what I am saying...
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Almost three quarters of an hour had elapsed (7.42am to 8.44am) before the police surgeon arrived at the scene, and pronounced five dead bodies! In the case of the Coroners Officer, (PC Wright), that period was around one and three quarter hours later (7.42am to 9.30am)!
Both the Police Surgeon (Craig) and the Coroners Officer (Wright) must have seen or recognised signs in the body of at least one of the victims that they had been shot and had been killed, post 7.42am!!!
Thats what I am saying...
Look very closely!!!
In the case of the Coroners officer, PC Wright, I am saying this was the state of play when at 9.30am he viewed Sheila Caffells body...
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According to the Coroners Officer, PC Wright, the gun had been removed from Sheila's body by the time he visited the main bedroom at 9.30am!
That being the case, what this suggests in the strongest possible terms, is that Sheila had died very recently prior to the time this particular photograph of the blood flow from the upper wound upon Sheila Caffells neck had been taken - and that this particular image (above) had been taken before the arrival of PC Wright (Coroners Officer) at 9.30am!!!
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According to the Coroners Officer, PC Wright, the gun had been removed from Sheila's body by the time he visited the main bedroom at 9.30am!
That being the case, what this suggests in the strongest possible terms, is that Sheila had died very recently prior to the time this particular photograph of the blood flow from the upper wound upon Sheila Caffells neck had been taken - and that this particular image (above) had been taken before the arrival of PC Wright (Coroners Officer) at 9.30am!!!
Whilst being falsely incarcerated I took a course on philosophy, it was the greatest decision I have ever made or taken!
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In order to get to the bottom of any problem, or issue, you have got to start with the truth (as told by any participant)! I know this is true! The participant initially in this case, was Jeremy Bamber, himself!
If he thought that by lying to me, was somehow going to propel me into the status of being a 'Bamber is innocent campaigner', he was sadly mistaken!!
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In order to get to the bottom of any problem, or issue, you have got to start with the truth (as told by any participant)! I know this is true! The participant initially in this case, was Jeremy Bamber, himself!
If he thought that by lying to me, was somehow going to propel me into the status of being a 'Bamber is innocent campaigner', he was sadly mistaken!!
We clashed over the death of Sheila!!!
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He, for example, is adamant that 'Sheila killed herself', but I believe her death was clearly at the hands of another!
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He, for example, is adamant that Sheila killed herself, but I believe her death was clearly at the hands of another!
Start with the truth, then look at everything afresh...
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I have sat face to face with hundreds of convicted prisoners, many of which or whom have been convicted of the most heneous of crimes! Some of them to their credit have accepted that the verdict of the jury got it right! But, there has been a lot of cases, where the prisoners I have come into contact with, have been adamant that the verdicts of a jury were wrong!
I am not here to name names, other than my 'interaction in prison', and further, 'outside of prison', where I have volunteered to put myself in the firing line, of the cases which are 'in my view', miscarriages of justice - Jeremy Bambers case, is one of those cases!!!
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I have sat face to face with hundreds of convicted prisoners, many of which or whom have been convicted of the most heneous of crimes! Some of them to their credit have accepted that the verdict of the jury got it right! But, there has been a lot of cases, where the prisoners I have come into contact with, have been adamant that the verdicts of a jury were wrong!
I am not here to name names, other than my 'interaction in prison', and further, 'outside of prison', where I have volunteered to put myself in the firing line, of the cases which are 'in my view', miscarriages of justice - Jeremy Bambers case, is one of those cases!!!
From my perspective, Sheila did not shoot herself dead in the incident!
She was shot twice by someone else!!
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From my perspective, Sheila did not shoot herself dead in the incident!
She was shot twice by someone else!!
I don't know if this is good or bad, from Bambers point of view, but what 'I do know' is that he could not have shot and killed his sister, because the existing photographic evidence, proves she had been shot a second time by refrence to 'this' photograph, and the the evidence does not support the claim that the second shot which killed Sheila had been inflicted as long ago as 3.30am, or there abouts!
If Sheila had been shot a second time, from as early as round 3.30am, then plrease, why does the blood which is flowing from the upper wound appear so 'fresh looking'?
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I don't know if this is good or bad, from Bambers point of view, but what 'I do know' is that he could not have shot and killed his sister, because the existing photographic evidence, proves she had been shot a second time by refrence to 'this' photograph, and the the evidence does not support the claim that the second shot which killed Sheila had been inflicted as long ago as 3.30am, or there abouts!
If Sheila had been shot a second time, from as early as round 3.30am, then plrease, why does the blood which is flowing from the upper wound appear so 'fresh looking'?
The second shot which killed Sheila Caffell, was not inflicted until 'after the TFG entered the farmhouse' after, 7.37am!!!
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The second shot which killed Sheila Caffell, was not inflicted until 'after the TFG entered the farmhouse' after, 7.37am!!!
Look at the image!!
Who took this photograph? Certainly not PC 'David' Bird, because according to his testimony, he did not start taking Crime Scene Photographs, until after 10pm!!
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Look at the image!!
Who took this photograph? Certainly not PC 'David' Bird, because according to his testimony, he did not start taking Crime Scene Photographs, until after 10pm!!
What we 'do know' is that a different SOC, 'took images', before PC Bird took over that role (10 am) - the evidence which supports this is contained in PC Birds trial transcipt!!!"
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Key information was being relayed from the kitchen inside the farmhouse, back and forth to the incident room at Chelmsford
It was the information room, not the incident room. Also, the rifle was an Anschütz, not an anshuzt.