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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: David1819 on December 18, 2016, 05:33:AM

Title: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: David1819 on December 18, 2016, 05:33:AM
Seems we have had samples of Sheila Caffell's handwriting all along. In the form of a letter addressed to 'Peter', dated 5th of November 1982. (You can find the link at the bottom)

I then began to compare the same words from that letter to the alleged suicide note. It was allot harder than I expected to determine anything. Hopefully someone here might know more about handwriting analysis.  :-\

(https://s29.postimg.org/tlil22amf/writing2.jpg)

Link to letter written by Sheila.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1721.msg56390.html#msg56390 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1721.msg56390.html#msg56390)
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 09:33:AM
 That's a new one on me David,but I'll have a bash. Once you pick up the flow of the conversation it's quite easy.
The letter up to where I'm at seems to be written with lucidity so far.

Sheila stated that,in as many words,her form of communication was by writing. That also explains a lot. 
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 10:15:AM
There's no doubt that both are written by Sheila,the latter you can detect a change,so yes.It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to work that one out.
How much do they get paid for doing this ? I think I'll go to the job centre tomorrow !!
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 12:04:PM
There's no doubt that both are written by Sheila,the latter you can detect a change,so yes.It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to work that one out.
How much do they get paid for doing this ? I think I'll go to the job centre tomorrow !!

Rubbish!  ;D
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 12:09:PM
Rubbish!  ;D





That's the only answer I've now come to expect  ::) It bothers me not I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 12:14:PM




That's the only answer I've now come to expect  ::) It bothers me not I'm afraid.

Good then you won't be disappointed then. No one here is a qualified hand writing expert. Lets wait for the results of the analysis before making such claims. It's really not a matter of it being her hand writing, it's NOT a suicide note!
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 12:42:PM
Good then you won't be disappointed then. No one here is a qualified hand writing expert. Lets wait for the results of the analysis before making such claims. It's really not a matter of it being her hand writing, it's NOT a suicide note!





I know this particular letter isn't a suicide one but towards the end of it where it tapers,it compares with the other " oddly written " ones,which are.
There's nothing wrong in guessing,is there ?
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 12:45:PM




I know this particular letter isn't a suicide one but towards the end of it where it tapers,it compares with the other " oddly written " ones,which are.
There's nothing wrong in guessing,is there ?

There's no doubt that both are written by Sheila,the latter you can detect a change,so yes.It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to work that one out.
How much do they get paid for doing this ? I think I'll go to the job centre tomorrow !!

No, nothing wrong in guessing, as long as you make that clear the above doesn't claim to be a guess.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 12:54:PM
I know in my own mind it isn't a guess though,nor a shot in the dark.My powerful magnifying glass worked that one out,along with a smidgen of common sense when Sheila had said that writing was her way of communicating.
Does it not ring a bell ? No ? thought it didn't.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 02:09:PM
I know in my own mind it isn't a guess though,nor a shot in the dark.My powerful magnifying glass worked that one out,along with a smidgen of common sense when Sheila had said that writing was her way of communicating.
Does it not ring a bell ? No ? thought it didn't.

I didn't need a magnifying glass so just goes to show that that note wasn't 'illegible' nor is it the note that was found in the bedroom and given an exhibit reference number. If this is what the CT are going to use as a submission, then they are on a hiding to nowhere.

No bells ringing here - you must have tinnitus
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 02:16:PM
I didn't need a magnifying glass so just goes to show that that note wasn't 'illegible' nor is it the note that was found in the bedroom and given an exhibit reference number. If this is what the CT are going to use as a submission, then they are on a hiding to nowhere.

No bells ringing here - you must have tinnitus





No tinnitus here,or any other kind of us. But I do have a question in which to refresh my memory :
Who was it in the household who used to leave " notes " here and there ?
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 03:49:PM




No tinnitus here,or any other kind of us. But I do have a question in which to refresh my memory :
Who was it in the household who used to leave " notes " here and there ?

June used to leave notes - why? Not sure if they were necessarily to anyone in particular though.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Jane on December 18, 2016, 04:20:PM
June used to leave notes - why? Not sure if they were necessarily to anyone in particular though.

I think June's notes were aides de memoire for her bible study group.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 18, 2016, 04:50:PM
June used to leave notes - why? Not sure if they were necessarily to anyone in particular though.




Okay,thanks,wasn't sure. I'd be interested to read what was on them that's all. In the 70's,I came across someone who did the same thing------------he had a breakdown. Instead of confronting a person face to face,he'd leave notes everywhere.Then there was my late sister-in-law,who,after her parents died,used to scribble notes,some legible,some not---she suffered depression. We know that June suffered from depression so it would appear that this trait is in some depressives,including Sheila herself. Interesting.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Caroline on December 18, 2016, 04:51:PM
I think June's notes were aides de memoire for her bible study group.

Yes, not sure why it's relevant though?
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Jane on December 18, 2016, 04:53:PM



Okay,thanks,wasn't sure. I'd be interested to read what was on them that's all. In the 70's,I came across someone who did the same thing------------he had a breakdown. Instead of confronting a person face to face,he'd leave notes everywhere.Then there was my late sister-in-law,who,after her parents died,used to scribble notes,some legible,some not---she suffered depression. We know that June suffered from depression so it would appear that this trait is in some depressives,including Sheila herself. Interesting.

Most of us who have taken classes write notes we can refer back to.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: David1819 on December 19, 2016, 03:27:PM
The word 'boys' seem to have allot of similarity imo.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 19, 2016, 03:31:PM
 Latterly,her writing would have gone off on a tangent like her mind had,it stands to sense.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Steve_uk on December 19, 2016, 07:25:PM
Leaving aside the note's provenance did we ever get a transcript?
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: Stephanie on December 19, 2016, 07:27:PM
Latterly,her writing would have gone off on a tangent like her mind had,it stands to sense.

In your opinion.
Title: Re: Sheila's Handwriting vs Alleged Suicide Note
Post by: lookout on December 19, 2016, 07:40:PM
In your opinion.





Again,yes,and only mine.