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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on February 12, 2016, 12:54:PM
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He knew the number.
He had the phone in his hand.
He didn't know the numbers of any individual police station.
He knew a 999 call is answered straight away.
He knew a 999 call is manned 24/7 and always answered.
He knew a 999 call would deal with his query correctly.
He didn't know which individual police stations would be open.
He did not know which individual police stations would answer straight away.
He decided the situation was serious enough to contact the police. So dialling 999 is the obvious thing to do.
Bamber himself said ringing an individual police station 'would make no difference' to how quickly the police arrived. So there is only a big disadvantage, in having to waste time looking up numbers in the Yellow pages.
A 999 call would direct the call to the correct station straight away.
He had two options to dial 999, after there was no answer from Witham police station.
Dialling 999 would be an instant reaction after getting Neville's call.
He wanted things resolved quickly as he tried to call back Neville after the phone went dead. Being unsuccessful doing this, and with the phone in his hand, he will then do the next best thing. Which was to dial 999.
He did not know if an individual police station would have the correct staff available to assist him.
He was half asleep, so would not be analysing things too much. The action which required the least effort was ringing the 999.
He wouldn't know if the Yellow pages would have correct numbers.
Everyone is taught from a young age to dial 999. In an emergency.
No one is taught from a young age to look for police stations numbers in an emergency.
Bamber said he spoke to Julie after the police. So cannot claim Julie advised him to phone a police station directly.
Neville had rang him for assistance now. If Bamber was not going to go there straight away, he would want to meet the police quickly.
A combination of the above.
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If it had been an emergency then logically Neville would have dialled 999 as that would have been much easier than Jeremy's number. Therefore one could reason that at the time of the call it wasn't an emergency but something that Neville thought he could handle with Jeremy's help... Jeremy didn't agree.
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If it had been an emergency then logically Neville would have dialled 999 as that would have been much easier than Jeremy's number. Therefore one could reason that at the time of the call it wasn't an emergency but something that Neville thought he could handle with Jeremy's help... Jeremy didn't agree.
It just all falls flat really and you have to 'make up' and excuse for why he didn't call 999 - I did the same but I realised that that's what I was doing and if I wasn't convinced, I wouldn't be convincing anyone else. Logically Nevill WOULD have dialled 999, not Jeremy at 03:10. However, if for some unfathomable reason he did call Jeremy - it begs the questions of why Jeremy didn't call 999? Didn't go over as requested? And waited 26 minutes before calling local police?
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A more intelligent way of putting it might have been to ask why Jeremy DIDN'T call 999.
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Because Neville was already ringing 999 when Jeremy couldn't get through to his father because it was engaged.
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Because Neville was already ringing 999 when Jeremy couldn't get through to his father because it was engaged.
Beautifully executed. A plan which makes Jeremy innocent. However, as it didn't happen so therefore can't be proved, you can accuse the police of conspiracy to frame him.......................trouble is you can't come up with an intelligent reason why.
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Because Neville was already ringing 999 when Jeremy couldn't get through to his father because it was engaged.
Really? But Jerey called his father STRAIGHT back - so that would be JUST AFTER (and before) 03:15. The log that is supposed to have been Nevill's call states a time of 03:26 and it wasn't a 999 call, it was called through on the 'exchange line' from CD 1990 - which is West's call sign. People can pretend that Nevill called the police but the evidence PROVES otherwise and dead men can't use the phone.
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Really? But Jerey called his father STRAIGHT back - so that would be JUST AFTER (and before) 03:15. The log that is supposed to have been Nevill's call states a time of 03:26 and it wasn't a 999 call, it was called through on the 'exchange line' from CD 1990 - which is West's call sign. People can pretend that Nevill called the police but the evidence PROVES otherwise and dead men can't use the phone.
Ah, but Lookout insists she's never wrong, Caroline.
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Ah, but Lookout insists she's never wrong, Caroline.
Ah but I insist that 9 times out of 10, she is wrong - but doesn't have the bottle to admit it! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ah but I insist that she 9 times out of 10, she is wrong - but doesn't have the bottle to admit it! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Most of those who insist they're never wrong, don't have.
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Ah but I insist that 9 times out of 10, she is wrong - but doesn't have the bottle to admit it! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Better that than being wrong all the time like you are :o At least my chances are more favourable. ;)
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It just all falls flat really and you have to 'make up' and excuse for why he didn't call 999 - I did the same but I realised that that's what I was doing and if I wasn't convinced, I wouldn't be convincing anyone else. Logically Nevill WOULD have dialled 999, not Jeremy at 03:10. However, if for some unfathomable reason he did call Jeremy - it begs the questions of why Jeremy didn't call 999? Didn't go over as requested? And waited 26 minutes before calling local police?
Because, as I have already postulated, at the time of that call it wasn't yet an emergency. Jeremy knew this because Neville didn't dial 999.
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Because, as I have already postulated, at the time of that call it wasn't yet an emergency. Jeremy knew this because Neville didn't dial 999.
Right, so getting someone out of bed to answer the phone in the small hours to tell them a family member has gone mad and got hold of a gun doesn't constitute an emergency?
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I'm sure that Neville in his wildest dreams never thought that Sheila would have used the " gun ". The call didn't include that she'd used it at that point.
Do we know how Sheila had been on other occasions when Neville used to ring Jeremy for his assistance with her ?
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I'm sure that Neville in his wildest dreams never thought that Sheila would have used the " gun ". The call didn't include that she'd used it at that point.
Do we know how Sheila had been on other occasions when Neville used to ring Jeremy for his assistance with her ?
Here you go again!! ;D ;D ;D Name ONE other occasion when Nevill rang Jeremy for assistance? ::)
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I'm sure that Neville in his wildest dreams never thought that Sheila would have used the " gun ". The call didn't include that she'd used it at that point.
Do we know how Sheila had been on other occasions when Neville used to ring Jeremy for his assistance with her ?
Er, WHAT occasions would those have been?
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Er, WHAT occasions would those have been?
The ones Lookout has imagined.
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Er, WHAT occasions would those have been?
I don't know the actual occasion/s or specific dates/times,but Jeremy had been requested by his father,in the past,to assist him in calming Sheila down during one of her " episodes ". It's more than likely in Scott Lomax's book because it's quite some time ago that I read about it.
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I don't know the actual occasion/s or specific dates/times,but Jeremy had been requested by his father,in the past,to assist him in calming Sheila down during one of her " episodes ". It's more than likely in Scott Lomax's book because it's quite some time ago that I read about it.
Would it be presumptive to ask how Scott Lomax knows this "fact"? I believe we've previously cleared up that authors who weren't there at the time have NO way of knowing what went on. This would seem to be yet another "fact" which must be taken with a large pinch of salt.
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Would it be presumptive to ask how Scott Lomax knows this "fact"? I believe we've previously cleared up that authors who weren't there at the time have NO way of knowing what went on. This would seem to be yet another "fact" which must be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Because I rather feel that this author knows Jeremy better than the others do or did. His book contains far more facts,so much so that he's on his second one-----------is anyone else ?
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Because I rather feel that this author knows Jeremy better than the others do or did. His book contains far more facts,so much so that he's on his second one-----------is anyone else ?
Again, this is only your opinion, isn't it? I seem to recall that you saying that you don't read any of the books written about the case.
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Again, this is only your opinion, isn't it? I seem to recall that you saying that you don't read any of the books written about the case.
Snippets,not the whole book.I've NEVER read one of them right through,because one sounds,and is,much the same as another because after all it's only the author's personal view,because none of them were there as it happened and each version serves those who lean towards either guilty or innocent,with nothing new in 30 years. So what more do any of them know,that we don't ? Not a lot !
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Snippets,not the whole book.I've NEVER read one of them right through,because one sounds,and is,much the same as another because after all it's only the author's personal view,because none of them were there as it happened and each version serves those who lean towards either guilty or innocent,with nothing new in 30 years. So what more do any of them know,that we don't ? Not a lot !
If we pooled what we know -naturally sorting the fact from fiction- we could write a book, probably at least on a par with, and maybe better than, some which have been written.
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I don't know the actual occasion/s or specific dates/times,but Jeremy had been requested by his father,in the past,to assist him in calming Sheila down during one of her " episodes ". It's more than likely in Scott Lomax's book because it's quite some time ago that I read about it.
Didn't think so ::)
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Snippets,not the whole book.I've NEVER read one of them right through,because one sounds,and is,much the same as another because after all it's only the author's personal view,because none of them were there as it happened and each version serves those who lean towards either guilty or innocent,with nothing new in 30 years. So what more do any of them know,that we don't ? Not a lot !
Then perhaps you should start reading the whole book and you wouldn't get half the story.
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Didn't think so ::)
PLEEESE don't say this means we've got to read it word for word to find out :o :o :'( :'(
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PLEEESE don't say this means we've got to read it word for word to find out :o :o :'( :'(
Nah, I'm not going to bother. It's he person that make the claim who should be looking to prove their post has merit.
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Nah, I'm not going to bother. It's he person that make the claim who should be looking to prove their post has merit.
Think Lookout is going to have to change her mind about reading books about Jeremy..................although I guess she could get it straight from the horse's mouth. I expect he could remember how many times Nevill rang him for assistance with Sheila.
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Snippets,not the whole book.I've NEVER read one of them right through,because one sounds,and is,much the same as another because after all it's only the author's personal view,because none of them were there as it happened and each version serves those who lean towards either guilty or innocent,with nothing new in 30 years. So what more do any of them know,that we don't ? Not a lot !
It's probably harder to pore through all the four million documents, try to make sense of them and make up your own mind than it is to settle down to Clare Powell's book(to name but one) and have much of the hard work done for you.
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It's probably harder to pore through all the four million documents, try to make sense of them and make up your own mind than it is to settle down to Clare Powell's book(to name but one) and have much of the hard work done for you.
At this stage,I'd rather study the dangers of anti-psychotic medications and the urge to kill through the use of them. There are heaps of medications on the market which " treat " depressives,psychotics,bi-polar and post-natal illnesses which have the opposite effect to what they were prescribed for. Multiple shootings and mass murders in America were mostly carried out by those who were taking some form of anti-psychotic or anti-depressive medication.
The guy/pilot who flew his plane into a mountain in the French Alps was taking anti-psychotic medication,making his already depressive condition into a dangerous urge to kill rather than treating his depression. He would have been in denial of his condition before murdering all those innocent people.
Those who withdraw from such medications should be monitored and supported for at least 12 months because their illness can return far worse than before they were prescribed their medication.
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Really? But Jerey called his father STRAIGHT back - so that would be JUST AFTER (and before) 03:15. The log that is supposed to have been Nevill's call states a time of 03:26 and it wasn't a 999 call, it was called through on the 'exchange line' from CD 1990 - which is West's call sign. People can pretend that Nevill called the police but the evidence PROVES otherwise and dead men can't use the phone.
Perfect point, Caroline. Lookout claims that when Jeremy phones his Dad back he was unable to get through because of his Dad being on the phone to 999.
Ignoring that the time of the calls don't come close to matching up.
As for why Bamber would have dialled 999 that night, I think so because.
IN BAMBERS WORDS. His Dad sounded terrified and really scared.
IN BAMBERS WORDS. His Dad told him Sheila had a gun.
And lets not forget Bambers words to the police outside later on that night, where he rather unclinically described Sheila's mental health problems.
I personally don't beleive that anything of it is true, if it was true that after getting THATphonecall and knowing what he says he knew about the mental health of Sheila - he would use a phonebook to call the local station AFTER phoning his GF
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At this stage,I'd rather study the dangers of anti-psychotic medications and the urge to kill through the use of them. There are heaps of medications on the market which " treat " depressives,psychotics,bi-polar and post-natal illnesses which have the opposite effect to what they were prescribed for. Multiple shootings and mass murders in America were mostly carried out by those who were taking some form of anti-psychotic or anti-depressive medication.
The guy/pilot who flew his plane into a mountain in the French Alps was taking anti-psychotic medication,making his already depressive condition into a dangerous urge to kill rather than treating his depression. He would have been in denial of his condition before murdering all those innocent people.
Those who withdraw from such medications should be monitored and supported for at least 12 months because their illness can return far worse than before they were prescribed their medication.
Have any of you bothered to find out why Sheila was having such a HIGH dose of intra-Haldol ?
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Have any of you bothered to find out why Sheila was having such a HIGH dose of intra-Haldol ?
Pre or post reduction?
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Pre or post reduction?
Pre,because post was at Sheila's request which the doctor foolishly followed.
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Pre,because post was at Sheila's request which the doctor foolishly followed.
Having searched various sites about what is considered to be a safe dose of haloperidol, not one recommends exceeding 100 mg. This suggests that 200 mg was way too high. Sheila wasn't under section. Possibly 200 mg was the old way of thinking?
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Having searched various sites about what is considered to be a safe dose of haloperidol, not one recommends exceeding 100 mg. This suggests that 200 mg was way too high. Sheila wasn't under section. Possibly 200 mg was the old way of thinking?
Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed.
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Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed.
Honestly! ::)
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Old way or not,it proves to me that nobody had a clue. In the 50's,rigorous tests weren't performed on anti-psychotic drugs and Haldol was an unknown quantity 30 years from then,in the 80's.It was a drug to use with great caution and whatever Sheila first suffered,the strength of the drug that was injected very likely exacerbated her condition increasing symptoms that it was supposed to have allayed.
We don't know when she received her last injection prior to leaving hospital, and I note that nothing was said about her being poorly during the time Christine was with her. They appeared to have spent quite a lot of time with Colin. Was anything said about her condition during this time? However, from the information we have, it appears as if she either A) never had another high dose injection or B) only had one more high dose before the reduction. It's considered that the lower dose is no less efficacious that the higher dose.
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We don't know when she received her last injection prior to leaving hospital, and I note that nothing was said about her being poorly during the time Christine was with her. They appeared to have spent quite a lot of time with Colin. Was anything said about her condition during this time? However, from the information we have, it appears as if she either A) never had another high dose injection or B) only had one more high dose before the reduction. It's considered that the lower dose is no less efficacious that the higher dose.
I'd like to know what gave rise to the reason why a high dose was necessary and also whether Sheila had been a "severely resistant psychiatric patient ". Both would then give everyone a better understanding of how ill or out of control she was. It's these factors which will be hidden within the medical notes.
Whether medics at the time ever thought of switching her medication,nobody knows,as the differing variants of psychosis are very hit and miss to treat.
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I'd like to know what gave rise to the reason why a high dose was necessary and also whether Sheila had been a "severely resistant psychiatric patient ". Both would then give everyone a better understanding of how ill or out of control she was. It's these factors which will be hidden within the medical notes.
Whether medics at the time ever thought of switching her medication,nobody knows,as the differing variants of psychosis are very hit and miss to treat.
The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.
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The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.
That's 100% right, nail on the head - it's ALL about fit, if it doesn't quite fit, Lookout will try and SQUEEZE it in. Luckily, there are people here who don't just want Bamber to be innocent, they want the truth!
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That's 100% right, nail on the head - it's ALL about fit, if it doesn't quite fit, Lookout will try and SQUEEZE it in. Luckily, there are people here who don't just want Bamber to be innocent, they want the truth!
Aww TA Caroline. There's an occasional flash of brilliant insightfulness ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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The dose administered whilst Sheila was in hospital may have been for a, no deeper reason, than historically, 200 mg was the dose given. I hear that you really do NEED Sheila to be "out of control". If she isn't, it doesn't fit with your belief of murder/suicide.
I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows
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I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows
You could always read the statements by DR MYRTO ANGELOGLOU, DR HUGH CAMERON FURGUSEN & DR ANN FIONA ROSEMARY WILKINSON.
Which can be found here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html)
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If Sheila had been heavy ( addicted ) on the cocaine,then withdrawal from that wouldn't have been pleasant. Symptoms much the same as her illness itself,angry outbursts,restlessness,hyper,anxiety and paranoia. Did the drugs cause her paranoia or did she have paranoia before drug-taking ?
I doubt that cocaine would have been available at WHF when she and the boys were there.
Possibly why Neville had been reluctant for Sheila to go to an NHS hospital,as in the 80's,drug taking was frowned upon and such a case could have made headlines.
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You could always read the statements by DR MYRTO ANGELOGLOU, DR HUGH CAMERON FURGUSEN & DR ANN FIONA ROSEMARY WILKINSON.
Which can be found here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html)
I think her doctors knew more about her condition and the correct treatment for her condition than Lookout does posting on a forum 30 years later. So I shall trust her doctors. Lookout can't even read an autopsy report without adding things.
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I didn't " NEED Sheila to be out of control " at all. My argument all along has been did she NEED all the crap that was being administered to her ? Such as having a wrong diagnosis,therefore having medication that wasn't warranted. Having a bad-temper ( such as Sheila had displayed and Colin had mentioned ) doesn't fall in the category of being schizophrenic,nor do behavioural problems like mood swings and highs and lows
I'd hardly refer to her reaction to some of Colin's "escapades" as "bad temper", more a natural reaction. As it simply isn't possible to see a random specialist on a whim, a doctor's referral is necessary, therefore one must assume that Sheila MAY have had a previous consultation with a psychiatrist to be able to ask Colin to make her an appointment with one. It's therefore ALSO possible that a GP MAY have had her on something for anxiety OR an anti depressant PRIOR to her seeing a specialist. IMO, this WOULD have been the appropriate time for her to have been referred to a counsellor. You may rest assured that whatever it is you hope to learn from her records, it unlikely to be that she wasn't schizophrenic but they medicated her as such, just in case.
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If Sheila had been heavy ( addicted ) on the cocaine,then withdrawal from that wouldn't have been pleasant. Symptoms much the same as her illness itself,angry outbursts,restlessness,hyper,anxiety and paranoia. Did the drugs cause her paranoia or did she have paranoia before drug-taking ?
I doubt that cocaine would have been available at WHF when she and the boys were there.
Possibly why Neville had been reluctant for Sheila to go to an NHS hospital,as in the 80's,drug taking was frowned upon and such a case could have made headlines.
You really are very determined that she was a heavy drug user. IF she was and IF this was the cause of her illness, it had been going on for long enough for her to have had a SERIOUS addiction in which she'd have needed a fix on a daily basis. Not one person has ever suggested such. You can say she could have hidden it until you're blue in the face, but during the time frame we're speaking of - probably NUMEROUS years- someone would have said/noticed something. You seem to be suggesting that Nevill knew about her drug problem? Are you also suggesting that June, too, had a similar problem and this was the reason he paid for them both to have private treatment!!!!!!!!
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You really are very determined that she was a heavy drug user. IF she was and IF this was the cause of her illness, it had been going on for long enough for her to have had a SERIOUS addiction in which she'd have needed a fix on a daily basis. Not one person has ever suggested such. You can say she could have hidden it until you're blue in the face, but during the time frame we're speaking of - probably NUMEROUS years- someone would have said/noticed something. You seem to be suggesting that Nevill knew about her drug problem? Are you also suggesting that June, too, had a similar problem and this was the reason he paid for them both to have private treatment!!!!!!!!
" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.
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" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.
I'm sure you would, Lookout, but he DIDN'T use the word "addiction" and like I said, HAD she been addicted all those years, someone would have said something. Dammit, even Jeremy, accusing her of mass murder, didn't call her a drug addict.
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I'm sure you would, Lookout, but he DIDN'T use the word "addiction" and like I said, HAD she been addicted all those years, someone would have said something. Dammit, even Jeremy, accusing her of mass murder, didn't call her a drug addict.
So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?
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So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?
Sheila described it as smoking cocaine "in a social context".
Dr Ferguson also tells us that Sheilas psychotic condition was NOT drug induced.
See the bottom of page 3 & top of page 4:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1199.0.html)
With the amount of information contained in the various doctors witness statements (many of which were given when Sheila was thought to be responsible for the murders), I'd be surprised if there was anything of further interest in her medical notes.
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So how would you quantify fairly frequent use ?
Not the same as you, obviously. I would have said that HAD he wished to imply addiction, IF he'd felt unable to say the words, he'd have spoken of "regular" use. "Fairly frequent" is loose and I'd say there was a question mark over quantities.
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" Fairly frequently used "- - cocaine usage as described by Dr Ferguson on Sheila's last visit to St Andrews, which I'd have said was an addiction rather than recreational.
You would though.
"Fairly frequent" not exactly an addiction, if you read the rest of her notes I am sure that Ferguson says he problems are not down to taking recreational drugs or something like that.
Edit, sorry just seen you post the page harters.
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To me it's a pretty vague assumption. Its definition is: often occurring. Happening in close succession.
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To me it's a pretty vague assumption. Its definition is: often occurring. Happening in close succession.
Read the rest of the report, Hartley kindly posted for you.
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Read the rest of the report, Hartley kindly posted for you.
I've read it. That's where I got the information from that she was a " frequent user " of cocaine.!! NOT my words.
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It's on number 337.
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It was Sheila herself telling Dr.Ferguson that during that year she had used cocaine frequently.
He was obviously not up to speed ( pun ) with the effects of the stuff,etc etc.
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It was Sheila herself telling Dr.Ferguson that during that year she had used cocaine frequently.
He was obviously not up to speed ( pun ) with the effects of the stuff,etc etc.
Ferguson says that Sheila told her that she used it "fairly frequently" and in a "social context".
Whatever that means. :-\
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Ferguson says that Sheila told her that she used it "fairly frequently" and in a "social context".
Whatever that means. :-\
"And " in a social context,which tells me that she also used it in her own surroundings where she lived at the time as well as at parties ( social context ) Quite some usage. As well as cannabis which she must have alternated with the cocaine it being not as readily available.
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A half ounce of cocaine in the 80's was $400 dollars.
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"And " in a social context,which tells me that she also used it in her own surroundings where she lived at the time as well as at parties ( social context ) Quite some usage. As well as cannabis which she must have alternated with the cocaine it being not as readily available.
The 'and' is mine, it is simply written that she used it in a social context.
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The 'and' is mine, it is simply written that she used it in a social context.
So she must have partied a lot if it was frequent.
I wonder who supplied the stuff ? Or paid for it ?
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So she must have partied a lot if it was frequent.
I wonder who supplied the stuff ? Or paid for it ?
Not that I know, but she does sound like she was a bit of a party girl.
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The 'and' is mine, it is simply written that she used it in a social context.
I am a little confused Hartley, are you talking about Sheila smoking cocaine? If you are then you must be talking about Crack Cocaine it is heaper than the powder but is highly, highly addictive and can cause violent behaviour when in withdrawal. Unfortunately, I am familiar with the effect it can have. Sniffing cocaine is usually less addictive and far less dangerous. :-\
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Not that I know, but she does sound like she was a bit of a party girl.
Sheila loved her parties. Hence why she preferred London to Essex. The cocaine obviously gave her the oomph to enjoy herself.
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I am a little confused Hartley, are you talking about Sheila smoking cocaine? If you are then you must be talking about Crack Cocaine it is heaper than the powder but is highly, highly addictive and can cause violent behaviour when in withdrawal. Unfortunately, I am familiar with the effect it can have. Sniffing cocaine is usually less addictive and far less dangerous. :-\
To be fair Maggie, I'm not entirely sure, I posted Ferguson's statement a few posts back where she says Sheila told her she smoke cocaine.
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To be fair Maggie, I'm not entirely sure, I posted Ferguson's statement a few posts back where she says Sheila told her she smoke cocaine.
must have a look, it's pretty heavy duty and very nasty stuff, I am surprised Sheila admitted smoking it.
Generally those who smoke it keep quiet about it because of its reputation. She may have made a mistake and used the wrong term i.e.. smoking instead of sniffing and not realising the implications. :-\